Always i watch Steve first..is a tradition...and the reason is... Steve has the balls to criticize and point the negatives...in a brilliant car... help the manufacturer to be better...and this ladies and gentlemen is....PURE journalism....NOT prescription for the marketing idiots who don't know what scape has the wheel... thank you Steve and EVO....

I prefer the "old" V12, it had class, style and elegance; it was a car for those who know cars and engines but wanted the excellent exterior to be largely untouched in its appearance. The new model should be called GT12 because that's what it is, it's a bit too overstyled and agressive for an Aston imo, I'd have an "old" V8 Vantage and an Emira for the same money.

@MarcYanOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

That’s why there are a lot of options for petrolheads 👍🏻.

@MarcYanOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

One thing though. I've always wished Aston v12s had more of a scream more akin to Ferrari's

@AB-fr2ei

2 жыл бұрын

you can configurate it for a more classy spec that look like the old V12 vantage

@salvi1398

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcYanOfficial but it wouldn’t suit astons, they’re more of a gentleman’s sports car rather than the out and out super cars Ferrari makes

@roverwaters3875

2 жыл бұрын

lets remember the imbe-tards who said V12 car prodution was over 😁😁

Well, the new Vantage V12 needs to be viewed through the lens of a sports car rather than GT. Aston made it clear that the new Vantage was no longer a GT, but is rather a complete sports car (as demonstrated by only a sport mode rather than a GT mode as the default drive mode). That being considered, the Vantage (like most modern Aston Martins) needs to be viewed more as a heritage car rather than a work of technical genius. If someone wants a perfect car, it is hard to go anywhere else than the 911 Turbo S. If they are looking more for a supercar with a bit more personality in driving dynamics, they should undoubtedly choose a Ferrari. Finally, if their top priority is technology, they should drive a McLaren. An Aston Martin is a lifestyle and a history rather than simply a brand. No, in the 21st century, Aston Martin cannot compete with the other brands in the Super-GT and Supercar market in terms of technological prowess - the Aston automatic transmissions are far too slow to shift and dynamically inferior to competing brands (partly the result of sourcing from ZF for Automatics rather than companies like Graziano for SSG DCT transmissions). Additionally, the vast majority of Aston Martin's technology and engines are sourced from Mercedes-AMG (not a big surprise, considering the recent CEO of Aston used to be an exec at AMG). It is safe to say that Aston Martins are no longer the strictly British brand they used to be. They have shifted more into survival mode in recent years, and that has been demonstrated in the outsourcing of most of their supply chain to other automotive manufacturers. The brand is simply trying to stay alive. Thus, the new Vantage V12 needs to be looked at considering all these circumstances. It is the last of a dying breed, a V12 supercar. It is not a GT, and should not be compared to other cars in that market. Rather, those driving this car need to spend more time focusing on the fact that this is probably the last V12 supercar (in a relatively attainable price point) to come from Aston, and that it is more the retrofitting of an engine to a chassis rather than a chassis built around an engine. It is an attempt to deliver a final sendoff of the greatest engine configuration of all time to the customers of a brand with such heritage. Aston Martin is in a sad state, and, quite frankly, we should all appreciate that they have devoted the time and resources to producing this car, which is clearly more designed to please customers than actually turn the brand around financially (it is priced too low and produced in too low quantities to do that). All in all, the DBX will hopefully be Aston's financial redeemer, while the V12 Vantage is a special car for a select group of individuals with an educated taste in the British brand's heritage. It is for these reasons that I suggest everyone lighten up on Aston Martin, and specifically, the new Vantage V12.

@n.w.1803

2 жыл бұрын

One might more accurately say that Aston Martin has always been on life support, sourcing key technologies from other brands. The old Vantage's V8 was derived from a Jaguar 4.2L, the V12 famously from back-to-back Ford V6s, electronics and switchgear from Volvo, including the key & fob...at least the chassis were original to Aston Martin, albeit largely shared between DB9/DBS and Vantage; the older DB7 (and Vanquish) was of course an even older Jag underneath...It's actually only recently that Aston has had the wherewithall to put in the R&D for production cars with at least original bodywork, plus the one-off extreme projects like the One-77 and Vulcan. And even though the twin-turbo V8 is the widely-used AMG engine, the new V12 is mostly an Aston design* (albiet produced in Cologne..where the previous generations' engines were also made). *I wonder, is Mercedes/Daimler/Benz going to find any uses for the V12 on its side of the house?

@finalcut67

10 ай бұрын

sort of lost interest (sadly) on reading your comments, not because of content but more so because of punctuation.....

Love the honesty here from Steve. If it was a NA V12 with a manual transmission it would be so much better. Shame the chassis is not good and heavy. The turbo V12 is loud but very one dimensional in sound. I'd rather have a RWD Huracan or GT3. Aston Martin as of late just throws more horsepower at the car thinking it will fix its issues. It doesn't

@lewishamilton9251

2 жыл бұрын

the six litre v12 was sorry to say but crucially slow.

@navyrotc2012

2 жыл бұрын

Big talk, we had it 5 years ago. Did you buy one?

@lewishamilton9251

2 жыл бұрын

@@navyrotc2012 no i drove it on Forza 7 xbox

@jep1912

2 жыл бұрын

@@lewishamilton9251 You need a few more victories to get to the magic 8 ball squire.

@regulartaxguy991

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, he's not wrong. The old 6L, though sounding great, is pretty slow in comparision. With that being said, I do miss the old school wing gauges.

surprised at the lack of comparisons between this and the v8 vantage, because the v8 mode can't be THAT much slower in any direction and should work better as a road-bound sports car

@miklu26

2 жыл бұрын

Same! Also 150kg+ lighter

@BiiYAAAA

2 жыл бұрын

They shouldve used the V8 ... exclusivity was the issue and getting the V12 vantage branding done. Cadillac and Jag have done great jobs on the dual personalities not sure what happeneded here.

@mitchellweitzman9329

2 жыл бұрын

@@BiiYAAAA yeah, v12 vantage is good branding when it's such a rare engine now. But, a v8 vantage with those brakes and body and wider tires, and the engine tuned up to E63S spec would be the far better car. And because it'd weigh nearly 200+ pounds less, the suspension could therefore be softer and make it better on the road

@touayaaj84

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitchellweitzman9329 but does it have a V12 Twin Turbo? No. Is it better than the V8? No. Then why build it? Because V12 TT before the end of ICE. That’s why.

@mitchellweitzman9329

2 жыл бұрын

@@touayaaj84 sure, and as i said, it's good branding and a rare engine, makes for a unique prospect in the current market. But they also already sell other V12 TT cars like the DBS where it's character is better suited, but more the merrier.

Finally an honest journalist in the UK when it comes to Aston Martin! If only they pointed this out years ago! The Vantage V12....all of the, ride too stiff! You can hear in the videos how the car bounces on roads because you can hear the throttle go up and down because the car is bouncing. Having lived with a V12 S in softest ride mode, it is definitely so much harsher than a Ferrari, Porsche or Hurrican.

@markpass4215

2 жыл бұрын

Oh dear but you just watch them to indulge your passion for truth or trolling?…You clearly speak from widespread ownership and driving experience to pass judgment on their opinions

@remingtonsteele3220

2 жыл бұрын

@@markpass4215 Yes Mark, as the owner of a Vantage V12 and a Vantage V12 S roadster, and other cars, I know when car's ride too rough. BTW, there are others who have reviewed the V12 Vantage and yes, stated it rides too hard. Fools think they are protecting a brand by saying nice things about a new model, but if it has flaws, those flaws are not corrected. What Aston Martins do you own and which other brands do you own so you can do a comparison?

@remingtonsteele3220

2 жыл бұрын

@@ar-am1976 That was my experience exactly! I love much about the car but its ride is too brutal on LA's roads. The only way around this is to change the shocks and springs but I've yet to hear of a provider who has worked that out properly for the V12. Why oh why do outright sports cars, like the Ferrari 355, ride sooooo much better than the more modern Aston Martin? It will cost thousands of dollars for us to remedy this hard/choppy ride.

Remember when Clarkson made his "I feel like I'm driving an ending" film with the first one of these? Well here we actually are... Enjoy it while it lasts.

@boringuserhandle

Жыл бұрын

That was ten years ago. They were pretty far off the mark!

@heyabusa1

Жыл бұрын

If only every one would wake up and confront the bilderberger/WEFs globalist agenda that is dictating 'The End' it wouldnt have to be the end. Unfortunately no one seems to care enough to wake. Oh well, guess its the end then. Enjoy your 15min cities peeps.

And that’s why you put a naturally aspirated v12 + a manual gearbox. Simple recipe for perfection. Puting turbos changes soung and caracter of the car and the automatic disconnets the driver from the driving expirience. Keep it simple!

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

A manual and an NA engine isn't it's biggest issue at least not for Steve the chassis, damping and weight is. A DCT would have been better for this car than a manual. When Aston mated the manual to the V12 S, everyone complained that it was a dog leg instead of a traditional H. As for it being NA, everyone was complaining that it was too underpowered so I am not sure how any of that will solve Aston's problems. What Aston needs to do, is just stick to GT's, they've never really been much good at making sportscars and as it is, their GT's have always kinda been overpriced.

@alekschify

2 жыл бұрын

It’s all about emissions… Turbos help there.

Much much deeper analysis by Steve than Harry Catchpole (as usual). Steve is the daddy! Cheers from Italy!

@Z-u-m-a

2 жыл бұрын

The worst Catchpole will do is damn something with faint praise. Polite and you get the message but it never feels direct and honest enough.

I am not an expert, but I like this car a lot. It has the looks, the drama and the Aston’s quality. It definitely ticks all the boxes to me. I wish I could get one.

Great Video from one of motoring journalism’s best reviewers. I really hope that Aston listen to the feedback and carry out a few important chassis tweaks before the production cars are signed off.

This reminds me of the epic Aston Martin Vantage GT8 in red...very cool video as always!

Such honesty is great to watch, I hope it doesn't lead to Steve being denied access to other new Astons. Lovely video as ever, too. :) Oh and "Yay! more Steve!"

Now that my friends, is a car!

His voice is like a narrator and just the criticism is what is needed in the car world to be honest this looks better than the older one. although there too much scurtiny in the news outlets.

This is absolutely beautiful and the design just WORKS!

I like this Aston 👍🤙

I personally think this looks a lot better than the v8

Aston Martin vantage v12 beautiful car ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Huge props for being honest, a big risk for a publication!

Good review, but you only have to watch an ECOTY to establish that motoring journalists have differing views. Now watch Mr Catchpole.....

Yes, yes, yes, of course. But out of all the ones I could buy- It would still be this one.

Aston Martins has always been not so serious about performance. This seems to be the same. Great potential but not focused. NA V8 and v12 with manuals still made them worth the compromise but now it's set up like a car chasing the best performance numbers yet still get beat by everything in its class on a track. I hope they start setting them up as performance cars first and fashion accessories second.

It's like watching the Avro Vulcan before it's last flight, cool but sad at the same time, Enjoy while we can.

@chris425amp7

Жыл бұрын

Did you see the Avro Vulcan in Wellesbourne Warwickshire? 🇬🇧🤭

@20gibbon

Жыл бұрын

@@chris425amp7 no but I live near Woodford where they were built, the Vulcan was a big part of my childhood .

@chris425amp7

Жыл бұрын

@@20gibbon Have a look what happened lucky.

All Astons are beautiful. For me tho its only the dbs superleggera i would want

Beautiful footage, honest verdict, consistent auto journalism 🤟🙏👍👍👍

Its good to see Steve and Jethro making these films, can't beat the old boys!!

If they fit the engine from the DBX 707 in the Vantage, it will help soothe the loss of the V-12

Thanks for an honest review. The car does seem to be below par. Pure showing from AM.

9:00 where's that location? Is it Craig Goch in Wales?

Been Talking about the large displacement petrol death rattle for 10 years now, just enjoy the moment FH

Idk to me when driving, it has a very similar engine note to the v8 vantage. wish it sounded a bit more for a v12. The start up is top notch tho.

It sounds fantastic but he wants it to sound better? Personal taste I guess but this car sound superb in my opinion, what a beast and soundtrack.

Very different opinion from Sutclif in comparison to catchpole. Hé liked it a lot more

Come on Lawrence, Aston gotta make their own engines again…this car is fire

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

2 жыл бұрын

This is Aston's own engine. 🤦

Well done Steve. I had an option on one of these but opted out. I do have a GT8 manual and two V12S manuals in different spec and feel the new V12 wasn’t going to plug any gaps. Appreciate your honesty. Someone will purchase this car as it looks amazing, has a good sound. That could easily cover someone’s needs and make a car you just want to drive. Enjoy your videos as usual. Be nice to see a back to back with previous V12S👍🏻

Aston has the V12 Valkyrie engine to use. A detuned engine in some cars let's say 700 to 750 how. Helps cover the engine's development costs. Plus as a performance engine would be great in other astons

@uncivilsum417

2 жыл бұрын

The Valkyrie engine isn’t designed for that, it works in the Valkyrie because the car is designed specifically to accommodate it. The V12 wouldn’t fit the Vantage chassis properly without heavily modifying the Vantage chassis to fit it, but even then the engine would be a headache to give proper cooling, heat management etc. The costs of a detuned engine would be too high since it uses more expensive materials and different production processes. As much as an screaming V12 in the Vantage sounds great. The costs of making it and selling it would make it unable to turn Aston a profit

@allensaunders449

2 жыл бұрын

@@uncivilsum417 I know it's specificly for the Valkyrie. Engine mods can be made what I meant is on other astons not this specificly so it doesn't have to be the last 12 from Aston. A completely different Ferrari V8 has been put in a series of Ferrari dinos anything can be done. The dino evo

@Boxer365BB

2 жыл бұрын

The Valkyrie engine alone costs more than this car.

Is anyone gonna review the AMG GT Black Series? Seems to be very little car reviews on it, seems odd for a car that beat the Nurburgring track record.

This car neeeeds the Magna PT 8 speed dual clutch transaxle from the Roma. That would make it perfect.

At least you are honest lots of journos do a dance around critiquing cars

I can appreciate the honesty.

You guys seriously need to title any video with Steve as "Steve Sutcliffe drives ................." because that would make me click on the video instantly! As far as I'm concerned Steve is the best motoring journalist out there and manages to somehow give over the feeling of what it's like to drive each car and also injects some fun into the video! He could teach everyone at all the other magazine channels how to actually make a fun, interesting video 🤘😀

Guys, as I've said for years, you need to be doing more of these.... all the time...

That screen dates the car to look a decade old from the inside! They should have compromised, made the grill a bit smaller and the screen a bunch bigger. Lol

They did the new grill perfectly on this car

What do you drive?

I don't know what it is with that V12, but i hate the interior sound of it, whether in this or in the DB11. To me it sounds fake af, but an owner of a DB11 says that the speakers aren't adding Playstation sounds to the cabin. Not that they care, but the current MercAstons aren't for me.

looks agile!

Top Man Steve love your work Thank you

It does not need to be the best it needs to be an Aston

You always wish an AM drove as great as it looks.

I still love the old one 😢

I saw this exact car today in a British racing green. It’s so beautiful and so unique. It’s quite special to see Aston’s on the road. Lamborghini and Ferraris are too common.

Hi Steve, thanks for the video review and keep up the good work. You mentioned that the stiffness of the chassis does not suit the public roads but I’m interested to know how much stiffer it is compared to a 992 GT3 for instance. Cheers…

The reason this car is a letdown is because, I think, it felt like all mighty himself tuned the chassis of the previous model

Just out of curiosity, how does a twin turbo V12 only have 690hp? Doesn't a naturally aspirated Audi v10 have comparable power yet it has two less cylinders and no turbo's? Couldn't this Vantage technically be 800hp+ from the factory if they wanted it to? (Not saying they do but more so just pointing out the difference)

@basedgodstrugglin

2 жыл бұрын

Depends what the engineers and the company wants to do. If they wanted they could make the engine make 1000 hp but they chose this output for cost, maintenance, drivability, etc. I imagine if it had 1000 hp it would be just absolutely mental, and 500+ is just bonkers in a car for the road, but parts would break more regularly and you’d need more service. And I don’t know what company Aston is aligned with but with the EU regulations for car fuel mileage but they might’ve had to dial the car back for fuel mileage. (What’s the equivalent of fuel mileage for metric? Fuel kilometrage?)

@spdcrzy

2 жыл бұрын

@@basedgodstrugglin And it's also entirely possible that they're REALLY underrating the shit out of it.

@hugh6948

2 жыл бұрын

@@basedgodstrugglin Your take on it is probably correct but surely the gas mileage must be garbage for the relative power it makes right? I have a stage 2 Audi S3 which beats this Aston to 60 by about a 1/4 of a second - it just seems insane to me that my car has 8 less cylinders and only a single turbo (mind you I have all-wheel drive but still). Who cares anyway, you're right, the car is still bonkers quick and would smoke my Audi not long after reaching the 60 mph mark haha

@basedgodstrugglin

2 жыл бұрын

@@hugh6948 oh yeah, probably shit mileage. If you’re a part of a conglomerate you can get a brand with great mileage (Volkswagen) but have cars with shit mileage (Porsche GT2 RS, Bugatti) because it’s the same umbrella. But it comes a limit, right? Like, most cars would have 800+ if they kept the same arc of increasing power.

@healthiswealth6797

2 жыл бұрын

Hit new emmisions

This seems like a car that might benefit from an RS Williams manual conversion

thank you Steve for your honest opinion ,,, i am a big Aston Martin fan however i beleive the v 12 turbo engine handling and tuning is farm from perfect

Looking like a 177

765lt

8:03 pretty

Sounds like it needs a fourth setting for the dampers called road. You would think after all this time they'd learn how to make it compliant on the road. After all that's where they're mostly going to be driven.

Stick to the Alfa Giulia QV then?

Yes Steve!

I could never understand why emission regulations apply to limited or really low number manufacturers. "Oh, we will save the world if aston martin stops manufacturing v12 cars". Really??? This is such bullshit! Leave these car manufacturers alone, stop imposing stupid rules and regulations where they will make NO change at all.

I'm definitely going to miss this car when the Vantage gone all-electric.

For a lightweight track focused special its far too heavy. 1700+kgs?

It’s crazy how nearly a decade ago we watched the one77 review as possibly the last v12 and here we’re are later.. X amount of years late with possibly the “last” v12 😅

It's got 50% stiffer springs than an already sporty car!!! What on earth did you expect???

New F1 safety car?

@lewishamilton9251

2 жыл бұрын

i wish

Every review of this V12 Vantage I've seen could be inerchangable, they're that similar to one another. It's like reading modern film reviews, where everyone sings from the same hymnsheet, lest they find themselves seperated from the herd.

@Sliderman416

Жыл бұрын

Noticed and agree

Beautiful car but Aston never seems to get their sportiest models quite right.

Honesty triumphs!!

Lay off the Botox Aston. I must be in the minority of preferring the looks of this V8 Vantage when it came out. Yes the old one was nice, but I liked the more daring styling on the new one before they started pumping it up with this gawping front grille.

Thank you, Mr Sutcliffe

Fam.. cmon bro Did u really expect this to be a grand tourer? I mean if u want something comfortable on the road go for the v8 vantage man. Nahh bruv I'm not having it.. I respect ur opinion n dat but still man this is a track beats not a road car that'll float over bumps and shittt

It was easy put the DB707's engine in everything and you would be greatly pleased. Its top 5 engine of the decade no shame in using it... exclusivity aside.

RWD in a country where it rains everyday if not each and every hour. All that power and money spent in engineering, for what? The car will never put the power down in most situations! Big respect for Japanese car engineers, for not running away from basic things, AWD is always better in real world. Subaru, GTRS all AWD. Those cars are fast, anyday of the year. Audi did well with the R8 V10, it is sad they never put any V12 in that R8. But giving praises to Audi Brand, well not me! (i work against them in court battles, they are horrible and what they are ready to do to win a case is attrocious, they don't care about their customers, it is horrible all what they are ready to do in court to accuse... their own customers! This AUDi/VW brand can be so mean)

The last V12 ever made by Aston Martin... like the last lion left on the plains... the last lion, before they are extinct forever.... You will regret NOT loving this beautiful car...one day.. Because from here on out, you got nothing but generic electric cars coming... and after you do some reviews on them, they'll get so boring, no one will need reviews anymore.... And your job will be gone, like the V12 engine you just drove...

@Boxer365BB

2 жыл бұрын

Given Aston’s financial situation, I would expect a convertible version to be announced shortly.

AM already make a more powerful car with a V8 engine, so this car only has 1 selling point and it's the V12, but it just doesn't make any sense for me. It's not going to be particularly fast weighing at 1800kg, rwd. In fact it'll probably be slower everywhere than a BMW M5 CS. If it had a manual gearbox, V12, then at least it's special and niche enough for people going from A to A drives.

@ashribes8810

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a good thing you didn’t get offered one.

The old V12 sounded so much better!

idk how to feel about it

why is it heavy , clean sheet design, what went wrong?

Steve has spoken 😂

looks like what the new supra should have been

Not worth 340K € DBS superleggera cost the same ,Db11 amr 150k € 639hp...

Steve is the GOAT.

@jep1912

2 жыл бұрын

That would be Billy.

One manufacturer should take the engine up to 11 in the sound department, mate it with a manual gearbox, put it in a lighter chassis with slightly rear weight bias, give the spoiler back to Aston, install the rims of the 2013 Vantage V12 and give it the looks of a Corvette C7 Z06 with front facia of Polestar Precept, rear of the One-77 but a bit more edgy to match the front. Quad exhaust tips. Price would have to be around $500 so that i can afford that monster plus a fuel flatrate.

Aston knew what they were doing under Andy Palmer and with all the ongoing management changes and loss of key engineering staff they are in trouble. This car just proves it. The Alpha management style are not good for business and with the looming EV challenges they don’t have what it takes to navigate their future. McLaren have similar issues right now.

@alexpeak16

2 жыл бұрын

You only have to look at what Lawrence Stroll is doing with his quick hiring/firing policy that is not only horrendous for the F1 team who are now practically at the back of the grid but it’s also spreading to their road division. Astons haven’t had a clear identity for a long time and this Vantage V12 only exacerbates the problem. Reminds me of when Ford completely mismanaged the Jaguar F1 team from 2000-2004.

@TheMitch12356

2 жыл бұрын

Andy Palmer was shit Aston Martin boss. Aston as a company is in a financial mess. It started with Palmer, going public and not putting the money back into the business. Aston debt sits at 950 million pounds, the company's valuation is just over a billion. This is mostly thanks, Andy Palmer wanted to make an SUV. Which has not been a huge sales success. I highly advise you read up on Aston Martin financial business. Which has been very bad for the last 5 years

@alexpeak16

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMitch12356 I know they’ve been bad for a long time and yes, Palmer got them into this mess but I don’t see how Stroll, with his thirst for nepotism can turn this around. A clearer identity is desperately needed, not chasing rivals.

I still think they should have made this a GT12, not a V12 Vantage. The old V12 V looked more or less like a regular V8, and it was the GT8 or 12 that looked outrageous, like this car. They should have committed to making it a proper road-legal track monster.

This a rare case I would say I rather they just gave it the power of the amg gt instead of a v12

The transmission is more important for me than the engine on sports cars as it is the connection between the engine and the road. It very much matters how crisp a car can deliver what the driver wants in terms of gearing and power. I believe Aston, BMW M Products and Mercedes AMG products needs to go back to Dual Clutch transmission and stop messing around with those Torque Converter slush boxes as no matter how they program it, it will never feel as crisp as a Automated Manual transmission.

My comments have simply been deleted. It is very easy to critizise this pre-production car. But not to accept critics from others is just very poor journalism, in which I cannot trust anymore. Will have to get my own opinion driving it myself.

Sutcliffe for Top Gear!

New-gen Aston has been a real disappointment. The OG Vanquish - DB9 - V8/12 Vantage era will forever be the brands highlight it seems.

If I had the money I would pick the Aston Martin F1 edition 👍

It's beautiful but seems to be pretty flat in terms of acceleration.

I hate that spoiler. Totally unecessary.

old v12 vantage is still the best

How have they not started making their cars all carbon fibre?