Would you consider buying me a cup of coffee if you find my work helpful in any way? if the answer is YES, then you can do that by clicking this link: bit.ly/LUV_COFFEE ☺👍

I just bought a used Titan (2 years old) that has had this mod done. I'm also replacing the bearings and seals in the lower unit. I'm not sure what caused them to fail but failed they are. I will be cleaning all the gear oil out and replacing it with the manufacturers recommended lubricant. Its actually quite a mess - the old lube wasn't cleaned out as with this video and has created big clumps and globs of goo inside the housings. Stick with the recommendations folks. I'm not sure what you really get with this conversion in the first place.

@FFHTV

10 ай бұрын

You have to take into consideration that you purchased a used drive and I'll assume that you may not know its history. The previous owner may have done this mod way late in the game when possibly hearing or feeling issues with the drive and resorted to doing this mod in hopes of saving it. Regardless, there is nothing wrong with following the manufacturers maintenance recommendations as it is a personal choice to do this mod. Both my drives were fairly new with absolutely no issues when I did this mod over five years ago and they are still going strong to this day. 😊👍

Very good video,I own a Slayer 13 Propel and this is a mod I’ve been looking at for awhile. Thank you!

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome and thank you for the comment! 😊👍

This reminds me of the old Hunter, made in USA ceiling fans. The bearings floated in oil, housed over a tray that you could check and top the oil off. Those bearings would NEVER wear out. Thank you for this excellent tutorial, as soon as my pedal drive is out of warranty I will be doing this.

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

I believe you will be pleasantly surprised on the outcome of this mod. Thanks for watching! 😊👍

Looks good to me , I am sure it will be smooth transition but time will most definitely tell . Great share !

@FFHTV

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert! 😊👍

I have done this same swap. I haven't had any issues and it's way smoother. There has been some debate in online forums and Facebook about warranty issues. Doing this DOES void your warranty. However, that is a risk I am willing to take as the stock "teflon" grease is garbage.

Great how 2!! No different than the lower unit on an Outboard!! As long as the Upper & Lower seals do knot leak causing water intrusion you should be fine 4 quite a while. I get 2 years on my Outboard lower unit using a special OMC product....If you have water intrusion the oil will turn a light creamy color....Thanks 4 sharing....

@FFHTV

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Wes! Yes you are correct, water intrusion is not your friend in this scenario. At the slow bicycle speeds that these drives operate under I would expect that the gear drives will wear out before the oil would need to be changed lol 😀

Should be interesting to see how it works. I would think it should reduce wear and quiet the drive.

Thanks for an awesome video I’m going to try this soon my propel drive is so noisy even after maintenance

@FFHTV

11 ай бұрын

Thanks! Once you get it done I think you will be pleasantly surprised. 😊👍

I just did it today and the noise level was drastically reduced. Thanks for a great tutorial!

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent! I'm glad the video helped you out! 😊👍

@prynceal6762

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe I did something wrong i just did it last night and it actually seems louder and a little stiffer...I guess because the gears are surrounded now...it was just free air and grease.

Well, I did the oil almost two years ago. I just drained it, and will go back to using grease. The oil obviously lubricates fine, but…..1) it adds weight to the vessel which to me is always a huge negative 2) it actually adds noticeable resistance to the pedaling motion. So, the grease is back giving me a faster, and lighter boat. The oil bath was not even a little smoother. Any decent grease would work. This is not a high heat friction situation. It’s not a motorcycle shaft drive scenario. It’s about as low key as it gets, maybe like a door hinge.

Have you drained the oil since this conversion? Curious as to the condition of oil. Metal sparkles? Water ingress? Thinking of doing this on my propel

This makes sense. Have you done any research about compatibility of new lube with OEM components?

Thank you for the video. I will be doing this to my Propel drive soon. Also, a pro-staff member has confirmed that your 2 year warranty will actually be voided.

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. Thank you for your comment and also the info concerning the 2 year warranty. 😊👍

@InocenteSandoval

5 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV I made a correction on my original statement and edited my comment. The warranty will actually be voided. There was miscommunication between a prostaff member and another kayaker and I interpreted it incorrectly. The prostaff member acknowledged this and corrected what he intended to say.

@blazindragon296

4 жыл бұрын

@@InocenteSandoval I don't understand why this would void the warranty when this makes it better. lol well that's a bummer.

This gave me a headache maybe it was the guitar . Love I like the idea of using gear oil has it leaked I think I'm gonna use your idea

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

No leaks of any kind... 😊👍

We have been working on the very same thing, but I think we are a bit ahead of you. We have not released it yet because its still in the testing phase. (We might still upload it, so please don't think we stole the idea from you!) We have planned to test it all summer and post the results when its gets slow so people will have something to watch off-season. I think you will find a couple of very important things we discovered along the way: 1) The oil will leak from the top chamber down the shaft slowly into the bottom chamber and you will have to top the oil off once in a while. 2) Its a good idea NOT to fill it 100% to leave a bit of air in there so it doesn't expand and pop the seals. This hasn't happened, but with the weather so hot, we just wanted to be safe. After all, the oil only has to cover the gears, not everything. 3) My personal recommendation is to never use red Loctite, ONLY blue. If you get a seal with the red, you'll have to heat it off the remove it! I noticed it was already there when you pulled the screw out, so they should have known better too! 4) If there is a leak you'll be able to tell instantly on the water, oil leaves an unmistakable mark on the surface. 5) There's more, but that's the most important stuff. We will be testing ours for the rest of the summer and hopefully have good results to share! Good luck! Oh, where did you get that cool spanner wrench? I have broken 2 cheap Harbor Freight ones already because I don't want o pay Native's outrageous fortune for theirs! I'd like to buy one like you have!

@FFHTV

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and input! I was looking for videos from others who had already done this but was surprised to find that there was nothing out there... I wanted to see if there was anything I would need to know of in advance because there is always something to catch while watching someone elses attempt at doing things so with that said I'll be looking forward to watching your video so upload and share what you have when you're ready as I'm sure inquiring minds want to see. If you can imagine having been a heavy jet aircraft mechanic for 30+ years none of this is really new to me but I always proceed forward with curiosity and an open mind. The seal with the red that you mentioned is not red loctite but a medium strength anaerobic sealant with ptfe that is normally used on tapered pipe threads that will resist leakage and loosening from vibration. Red loctite is designed for a more permanent bond of locking and sealing threaded fasteners but you are right in regards to using blue loctite when required which is a medium bond strength that allows fasteners to be removed or dissembled with hand tools. The spanner wrench you asked about in the video is homemade using a router wrench I had laying around which can be easily replicated using any style open end wrench of the right size.

@dev-tv_outdoors

6 жыл бұрын

You are correct, there aren't any videos out there on this subject. I've read forums and boards where several people claim they've done it, but yet offer no proof. I guess that's why we had to at least attempt it. At worst I figured everything can be replaced, but it would be a very expensive failure! We should be testing it right now, but the weather's been ridiculously hot! Plus we seem to have a bad bearing in the cartridge (this was going on before any of this and probably should have been changed first, but it was sort of a rush to get it done. Since your video came out, we have time to play now) and it seems as if we are grounded for a while. Great idea on that spanner wrench and saves a ton of money!!! How did you get the pins the right side or stay in?

@FFHTV

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, summer time is definitely here... In Florida it's insanely hot right now especially in the afternoon hours. Concerning the wrench, those are not pins. I drilled and tapped for 10-32 machine screws which allows you to adjust for the exposed length.

@brib9716

5 жыл бұрын

Where is this video?

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

@Reno Simpson Works better than anyone could have hoped for... :)

Thanks great Vid how often does this need to be done?

I recently purchased a Native Slayer 13, and before taking it out on the water I wanted to inspect the gears. To my surprise, the previous owner (1 or 2) had done this conversion. My question is, how has this turned out for you others? Do you still recommend this conversion based on your experience? The oil in my drive seems OK but now I am wondering how often should I do an oil change. I will change out oil being that I recently purchased the kayak but before I do so, I would like to know if I should convert back to grease (if that's even an option). Also, my other concern is regarding water infiltration, not by seal failure, but rather condensation. Have you seen any of this occurring? Thank you.

Nice

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😊👍

Cool video, very nicely done!! 👍🏻 I have a manta Ray with the propel drive. I’m gonna do the same thing. Where can I get the spanner wrench that you used in the video? Thanks !!

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The tool is a router wrench I had laying around where I drilled and tapped for a 10-32 machine screw on each of the wrench ears so that I can use it as a spanner wrench. 😊👍

@Arty_left

5 жыл бұрын

floridafishhunter also, what is that “clip” thing in the front of the unit by the pedals? Thanks

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

That is a 3d printed cradle to hold my net. Check it out here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/inipuZKFqtesh84.html

@redpyrate1084

5 жыл бұрын

build one, cheaper than buying the overpriced wrench you are going to use once

@ValOzuna

4 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV was there no oil in there to begin with? It seemed as though the gear was full of sand and dirt. You didnt clean it before putting it back together. Is packed with grease from the factory?

Im about to do this conversion to a pedal drive of a pescador pilot. what kind of improvement do you get out of this conversion?

Super awesome! I own an identical pedal drive, except by the small threaded bit to lubricate the unit.... do you think that would works if I fill the entire unit from the bottom chamber, by holding it upside down?! Thanks Sir!

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Aranha 93! Honestly I don't believe that will work. 😕

@aranha9365

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I realized that the chambers are independent. But I did on the top one the same as the bottom one and worked out pretty good. It feels "more tightly adjusted" and it seems I can pedal faster now....

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! I'm glad to read that it all worked out for you 😊👍

Very interested to know what the base oil viscosity is in the OEM grease . I would of thought with the gears being splash lubricated a 220 cSt gear oil would of been a better option given the boundary film thickness required. Have you had any seal leakage? Is the synthetic gear oil compatible with the internal seals of the propel unit ?maybe this is why warranty is voided....too many unknowns and too many seal compatibility issues with different oil additive packs

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what 220 cst gear oil is but I'm really happy with the choice of gear oil that I made. The gears are not what one would call 'splash lubricated' as they are always sitting in a oil bath. As far as gear oil compatibility with the seals, all I can say is that I have never had a leak to this date. I would say If you have any doubts about doing a mod like this then I would not recommend it.

Is there an update on this? I know its a better oiling option, but curious how it held up as far as the seals, taking in water, etc…?

Thanks for the great video can u tell me were you got the "WEED GUARD" Stay Safe Gary from Canada

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary! I call mine a "Weed Shield". It is 3d printed and is available as a free download for anyone wanting to make their own or have one made. Here is a video of my upgraded version if interested: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZOis5lvmribY6Q.html

About how much oil is needed? Will the same oil that is used in boat motors work too?

This is brilliant. I bought a 2016 FX 13 that had been sitting in a dealer showroom for 2 years( so I got a great deal on it) a few months ago and got NW to trade out the 2016 drive on it for a 2018 version. The 2016 drive made a grinding noise that was loud compared to the newer version. With your conversion did you notice a change in the noise from the unit?

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely... Like night and day. I think its one of the best mods that can be done to the drive but I totally understand those who won't do it because of possible warranty issues.

@robbiehampton6450

5 жыл бұрын

1. Does it feel smoother to peddle? 2. With adding the oil, will it affect the O-ring? 3. Why did you choose that particular motor oil vs. maybe a more environmentally safer oil? 4. When you filled the upper chamber with oil, I am assuming that it also traveled down the crankshaft into the lower chamber? I'm looking forward to the follow up video of this.

@tonyroc14

5 жыл бұрын

@@robbiehampton6450 For me when I did this conversion, I couldn't tell a difference while bench testing it, but as soon as I hit the water it's night and day difference. It should not affect the o-rings, but, as with all things being tried for the first time, it's un-known, and we're experimenting. The valvoline syntech gear oil is good stuff, I use it in my trucks (which experience much higher pressures and use) and have never had a problem. You want to use gear oil as these are unpressurized systems and the hypoid gear oil sticks to the surface better (though, the gears are fully submerged now.) Can't comment on #4 yet as I haven't checked the levels in the upper chamber yet. It definitely doesn't leak quickly because the level didn't drop while I was filling it up.

nice vid. where would you suggest i get the spanner tool ? thanks Zeke NC

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! I originally tried one I purchased from harbor freight and that did not work so I ended up making my own out of a wrench and some hardware I had laying around.

Hello, I’m about to do this to my drive and was watching your video. I have one question. On the bottoms unit, you mentioned you filled it just past full, since there is no fill line, what did you gauge it on? Thank you and great video.

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Luis and thanks! My drive was sitting on a table which put the lower unit on an angle so I filled it with grease just past the threads. Once you insert the lower gear assembly it will displace the grease in the housing thereby completely surrounding the lower gear assembly with grease without overflowing out when reassembling. If you fill it to the top of the threads you will have a lot of grease overflowing out of the chamber when you insert the lower unit. I hope that explanation makes sense to you. Enjoy smooth pedaling after the mod! 😊👍

@freeagentangler5159

2 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV thank you very much, that was a very detailed explanation and I appreciate you taking the time to help me. I will now move forward with the mod!

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! 👍

So I bought a used 2013, and I did this conversion it started leaking oil from where the crank immediately when I started moving the pedals. I drained the oil from the top it is clean but what is coming out on the crank is brown. Any ideas on what I should do?

@ALCastaner

4 жыл бұрын

Also, this has made the drive much quieter

Also, what is that “clip” thing on the front of the unit by the pedals? Thanks

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

That is a 3d printed cradle to hold my net. Check it out here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/inipuZKFqtesh84.html

Were is the difference works better than grass?

Did you do a follow-up video yet, and can I get a link if you did thank you

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Christopher. I have not made a follow up video yet as my original plan was always that if I did not encounter any problems with my drive after doing the conversion then I would only document a visual inspection after a year has passed which in this case would be after July of this year.

3 months on bud? How has it been going? Im servicing mine atm and will do the same if yours has survived so far ☺

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Still working nice and smooth with absolutely no issues! 😊👍

It’s been 3 years ! Anything to report ? Did you do an inspection of the gears after some time of use ?

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing to report. I don't plan on inspecting the gears anytime soon since I don't see any signs of external oil leakage and the drive is running silky smooth.

How much oil should i fill in the upper part? Does the oil later completely drip down to the lower assembly?

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

I fill it just like shown in the video until it runs out the fill hole. Once it stops dripping out, recap the fill hole. Sadly I don't have a answer for you about dripping to the lower assembly as I have had no reason to mess with or disassemble my drive since filling with oil which was roughly about a year and a half ago.

@ALCastaner

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you let it drop out? Why not fill it to the top

I have a 2016 12.5 foot slayer propel and have never messed with opening to grease. Have noticed in the last 5 trips as it's a little noisier than normal so I'm going to do the conversion like you did. 1. What exact gear oil brand and weight would you recommend on a 2016 propel ? THANKS for your videos !

@luckycat66

2 жыл бұрын

1. You only put in the Oil on one side inside the peddle end. I suspect it spreads to the other side also unlike having to do BOTH sides to the gears when using grease ? 2. Can one "purchase" a net holder like the one you 3 D printed ?

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jack! Thanks for the response. I used Mobile 1 synthetic gear oil 75w-90. 😊👍

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

That's correct, fill thru one side of your drive case will fill the pedal cavity. Here is the link for the net holder ( www.thingiverse.com/thing:3066613 ). You can have it made here using this online service: craftcloud3d.com 😎👍

@luckycat66

2 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV I actually went back and screen shot the stopped video to find this out AFTER I asked the question , sorry bout being repetitive .

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Not a problem at all 😎👍

Did you get the STL file off of Thingiverse or was the weed guard of your own design? Did you print with PETG? How has the drive been holding up since the synthetic oil addition?

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

The drive is working perfectly (zero issues) with the synthetic oil now for 2+ years. The weed shield is my own design and I have two versions. More info can be found here: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2848298 www.thingiverse.com/thing:3029155

@aos7194

3 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV I just took a SLayer Max home. The shop I tested it out at had a few left in their warehouse. I spoke with the tech and he said he did the same thing to his drive and it works great as well. Looks like I'll launch in the a.m. to see how seaworthy she is in Tampa Bay. Thanks for the videos.

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome and thank you for your comments. The Slayer is a very stable kayak so I'm sure it will meet with your expectations - Enjoy and have fun out there on the water. 😊👍

I'd think you would want a heavier gear grease.

So hows the drive doing with the oil? Thinking about doing it to my drive

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

It's doing great! 😊👍

Where to get this special tool for opening?

Ok i have 2 questions; 1- why didn’t you show how you removed the lithium grease? 2- how do you keep cool down in florida with arms that hairy? Lol.

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

Answer 1: As I stated in the video - I did not remove the lithium grease ( kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z52MyKqSYM3Tj6Q.html ) Answer 2: I'm blessed to have hairy arms as it is a natural shade for them in the Florida sun so I'm always feeling cool 😊👍

Good morning! So, any updates on this and how its working?

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

As they say... "no news is good news" so nothing to update. Everything is working perfect. 👍

How has this been holding up for you? Been thinking of doing the same thing

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Brad! It's been perfect for me. Honestly the best mod one can do for that pedal drive. 😊👍

How does it feel on the water?

@FFHTV

6 жыл бұрын

I'll be letting everyone know the answer to your question in the follow up video... 😊👍

@danrodbell3513

4 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV what's the verdict after having this lubrication change for over a year? Any noticeable improvement to pedaling efficiency? reduction in noise? etc.

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

@@danrodbell3513 The verdict for me is that the drive has been perfect in every way possible! As soon as the warranty is up on my second drive it too will be receiving the gear oil conversion treatment as well. 😊👍

So no need to clean off existing Teflon grease? Native uses a fluorinated Teflon grease which is made for bicycles.

@FFHTV

3 жыл бұрын

No, it's not a concern... It's been over two years now and I have had absolutely no issues with my drive and is as smooth running and quiet as the day I first performed this mod.

I just got a used titan that basically just sat. He bought it in early 2018 and said it was a left over model. Assuming it's an earlier propel drive. That being said warranty is not a concern. Would you recommend this still after some time? Any tips after a year or so of use? Thanks and great mod

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike and thanks! Yes I absolutely recommend it. Tips for after a year... None at this time as I have reached the one year mark myself. My drive hasn't leaked any oil that I can see (I do a thorough external visual inspection after every use) and is still as quiet as the first day I did the mod. 😊👍

so how is it working? is the oil still all there? no leak?

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

It's all good and working perfectly so there is nothing to report...

Hi Floridafishhunter. I have this drive unit in my propel 10 and was planning on servicing this winter and stumbled on your solution. Mine has always made that gear on gear sound and i have always wished it was quieter. This seems like a viable solution. Can you detect any added resistance while peddling the longer distances? As in 8 to 10 hrs on the water?? Seems there could be added resistance that could be realized compared to a coat of grease with all day padding. I'm sure it quiets that drive right down tho.. Jim.

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Jim! I can honestly not tell you that I do not feel any difference in resistance while operating the drive and yes the drive is now very quiet. Hearing the gear sound is not a good thing. That grease Native uses for lubrication easily gets slung off the drive gears. Insufficient lubrication will eventually cause premature wear between the drive gears leading to excessive play and/or worst yet the possibility of broken teeth on the gears. This may never be a issue for the propel kayaks that barely get used but for those that are under heavy use the issues that I just mentioned can become a real world possibility unless (option A) a monthly or very periodic maintenance lubrication schedule is performed on the drive unit or (option B) go with the gear oil mod and be done with the majority of the maintenance... 😊

I want the prise for all the system....petal drive sustem, thanks.

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to assume that you meant "price" for the "pedal drive system"... For pricing of the pedal drive you would have to contact Native Watercraft ( nativewatercraft.com/product-inquiry-form ) or your local Native Watercraft dealer ( nativewatercraft.com/dealer ).

FFH Any update? How are your seals holding up?

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Marbarian! No update needed - I have had no issues at all with the two drives that I own with the same gear oil conversion. Seals are fine. 😊👍

What kind of tool you us on the lower

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

It's a router wrench I had laying around where I drilled and tapped for a small screw on each of the wrench ears so that I can use it as a spanner wrench.

Hiw has this hold up for you my friend has the propel drive and we where thinking about doing the same to his but we were scare to mess it up has this give you any problem thanks and again great video

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy I appreciate the comment! The drive has held up great. I just don't have anything negative to say about doing this mod - absolutely no complaints or issues. I know most would like to do this mod but hold off because they worry about losing their warranty if they had to send the drive back in to native for some reason and I totally understand that but if the two year warranty has expired or a person purchased the kayak used (warranty is only to the original purchaser so now there is no warranty) then there is really no reason not to give it a go. To this date I have not encountered anyone that has actually done this mod who has had anything negative to say about it.

Is it better than using grease?

@FFHTV

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion it is superior to grease.

Is it necessary to even remove the lower assembly?

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

No, only the lower cartridge exactly like it was shown in the video.

@prynceal6762

5 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV Im sorry cartridge....Is it necessary to remove the cartridge? Cant you just fill it from the upper assembly?

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, you have to remove the cartridge as you cannot fill the lower cavity via the upper assembly.

@prynceal6762

5 жыл бұрын

@@FFHTV Ok cool thx for the info!! Im up in Jacksonville wr r u located?

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

By NSB

Did it work?

@FFHTV

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! 🙂👍

How does it run compared to grease? Is it smoother and quieter? I would think it would be.

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

I can honestly tell you that it runs very quiet and smooth - "like butter"... 😊👍

ANY ISSUES YET

@FFHTV

4 жыл бұрын

None at all. 😊👍

@avongyang

4 жыл бұрын

What about top chamber dropping oil down to lower chamber and starve the top. I was thinking of just adding to the bottom and leave the top pack with grease. Have you open and look at it. How often you add oil to top chamber.

not really seeing the value/ advantage of this conversion over a topical re application of grease every season at the most. doesn't likely reduce friction, effort, or increase necessary lubrication.

@FFHTV

6 жыл бұрын

You would have to do some research on the subject of oil vs grease in gear boxes in order to come to a conclusion on whether there is a value or advantage to this conversion. The enduring oil vs grease debate has been around for decades when it comes to machinery and gearboxes. Both sides have compelling arguments as to why one is better over the other. With that said, all I can say is that I did my own research on this subject and chose the oil over grease to lubricate my drive and believe this is the right personal choice for me. 😊

@gabrielplumbingcollc9291

6 жыл бұрын

floridafishhunter wouldn't you be creating more friction based on having to move the fluid around in the gearcase without the necessity to dissipate heat which I believe is the primary purpose of using oil instead of grease on gears? I suppose it could serve as a sound/ vibration dampener, or might possibly even amplify them especially underwater.

will piss oil after a week off use

@JohnKlopp

4 жыл бұрын

I believe he's been using it for over a year with no problems Einstein!

@juliorojas8383

4 жыл бұрын

Is you comment based on your experience? Did you do the conversation and had this happen?