@sonicstate thanks for the interview! Sorry about the incorrect price. I was thinking in Aussie dollars and trying to convert on the fly. My bad! I will definitely do some playing only videos as requested. Thanks everyone!

@rookproductions6031

4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping to hear the price in Aussie Dollary-doos, mate! :)

@MarkWatson1

4 жыл бұрын

Rook Productions what we call ssp is AU$4,499.00

What Roland was able to do with i-arpeggiator is amazing. We should all be absolutely stunned. It's a technical marvel.

@Digiphex

4 жыл бұрын

You must be joking? Sensing the tempo (tap tempo available everywhere already) and changing the arp could be done in Max for Live quite easily.

@jsutherland74

4 жыл бұрын

@@Digiphex it's a backup band at the touch of button. No computer screens, no tapping, no looper pedals. Ask for noise and the thing provides

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

@@jsutherland74 don't arranger keyboards do that?

That first patch that came in around 3:25 sounds authentically classic. I’m not hearing this and feeling disappointed that it’s digital. It’s damned good. Impressive.

I'll wait for the Boland Bupiter B

@HazeAnderson

4 жыл бұрын

😁

@blissprofessor4807

4 жыл бұрын

BOFL

@SPAZZOID100

4 жыл бұрын

Divinital yep. Love it.

@truthmanifestingtruth

4 жыл бұрын

😁

@danf4236

4 жыл бұрын

Big same. Either that or wait until i can pick up a used one off Reverb for a reasonable price. I wish I was in Roland's target market, but at the same time if I did have that kind of discretionary cash I'd probably just pay off my car and put the rest toward a Deepmind12.

This is a beautiful & magnificent beast! Makes me wish I knew what to do with all those keys. I love it!

What exactly is ZEN Core, is it Samples with Behavious Modelling like Super Natrual is or are the waveforms generated by Algorithms/DSP/FPGA or is just PCM. If I pull up a Square wave, can I add PWM to it, Can I waveshape of waves or are they static samples of the waves/multisamples? Anyone know for sure?

@avrilcadabra

4 жыл бұрын

its VA and PCM, analogue behaviour modelling, according to Roland not as accurate as their ACB but allows more voices. Emulates pitch drift and temperature variation and other analog problems. I have a super Natural synth, can't answer the rest about Zen.

@MakeMagic

4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. So far I've not seen any demos where they change the Oscillator 'type' & parameters mid-patch. The new "Supersaw Stack" patch _does_ sound a lot better than the broken, hollow, phasing supersaws that are usually produced by Supernatural. The polyphony at first seemed suspiciously high - but the new figure of "32 Voices for the Jupiter 8 model" makes it seem more like a true VA. All the demos though make it look like just a Rompler on steroids 🤔

@bilonggrisimmeri

4 жыл бұрын

GEOSynths My impression is Zen Core is PCM, plus a selection of basic analogue waveforms at the start of the waveform list. These behave with PWM, Super-Saw detune and a few other settings. That's how the Digital part of the JD-XA works - 3 PCM partials per voice. Other Roland synths gave 4 partials per voice, though the principal is the same. It's a bit depressing if all future Roland synths will run the same DSP code, with dfferent PCMs and effects.

@jacobbrown1690

4 жыл бұрын

just buy a used jupiter 80 and be done with it. love some new patches for my jupiter 80 :)

3:22 Sounds lovely

Roland like "It's got sliders" like it's a feature.

@_Synthesize_Me_

4 жыл бұрын

😂 😂 😂

@spiffosmith2177

4 жыл бұрын

You read my mind 😎 When the guy said how 'Cool' it was to have controls on the Front Panel, I just did this 🙄

@F0nkyNinja

4 жыл бұрын

sliders are expensive

@truthmanifestingtruth

4 жыл бұрын

😁

I mean , what was Roland thinking when they put the Analog filters in the Phantom but not here I mean, really, who are the people who take such weird decision !, this Phantom is like when a cat wears a lion's suit!

@aleksandari.7834

4 жыл бұрын

If we disregard the parameter controls on Jupiter X, can Fantom basically do everything Jupiter X can?

@Aetila

4 жыл бұрын

Not only that...insanely, the new Roland Phantom can't sample, it can only load some short drums sounds into the pads. I just couldn't believe it, I had to download the manual to check this and to be sure. Even the Yammy MODX (1000 USD) can at least load 1Gb of samples into a Flash memory, but not the new Fantom. (3500 USD) They really lost it this time.

Is that poly after-touch?

Behringer just made a great Roland System 100!

@RobertSaintJohn

4 жыл бұрын

No, they announced a Behringer System 100, based on the Roland System-100m modular system, which is not the same as a Roland System-100 semi-modular synth

@st0rmchild

4 жыл бұрын

Also, Roland still has a great modular system in its current lineup - the System 500.

@Digiphex

4 жыл бұрын

Stormchild Ah, the expensive Malekko made project.

@SPAZZOID100

4 жыл бұрын

Murada Your phone & computer are made in China also.

@SPAZZOID100

4 жыл бұрын

Murada my Behringers play perfectly in tune.

Amazing ❤️

Well, it's selling for US$2,499.99 at Sweetwater. I'm considering buying one but, what can it do that the XM can't do? Also, is there a TR8S drum machine built in or is it just a "watered down" version?

@Aetila

4 жыл бұрын

They fooled you with the "Jupiter" name. All of their future synths will be called "Jupiter XYZ". :-)

@floridahiker1503

4 жыл бұрын

It's probably the playing experience with all the extra knobs for tweakability and the new Fantom feel with aftertouch. Sturdy construction and Roland sound for live shows. The XM seems like more for bedroom producers.

Maybe I don't understand everything but what is an engine? Is that digital? Also, if this doesnt have real analog oscillators then what modern one does. I know the emulation is good but after watching Synthmania's video on the XM, I feel semi comfortable with this except In that video he pointed out how bright the XM was to the originals. My purpose in being concerned about this is authenticity where it comes to producing retro sounds,effects and music.

@RobertSaintJohn

4 жыл бұрын

It's digital, with 4 virtual analog models (Jupiter 8, Juno 106, SH101, JX-8P) and additional digital models. Paolo at Synthmania did a great job showing how close they were, quickly comparing patch to patch. Yes, sometimes "brighter", but nothing that couldn't be tamed with tweaking. The Xm sounds very authentic, and the X will as well. They have additional "age" and "condition" features which nicely simulate analog and/or vintage behavior. In a mix, no one will be able to tell the difference. If you feel you *have* to have an analog polysynth, look toward DSI/Sequential, Korg Prologue, Novation Peak/Summit, or UDO Super 6 (and some of these are hybrids). But they won't have the classic Roland sound out of the box. Best to go for the sound you want rather than worry about digital vs analog.

Really nice design on this board

I 've preorder it befor 2 months and no regrets !

This conversation sounds a bit like a job interview where the candidate didn't get the job.

WHAT NO D-BEAM?

The thing that's interesting me on these new Zen Core beasts is the parameter resolution. It's like 1024 steps on some parameters... That will make for some really smooth parameter changes.

what possible music use is 32 note polyphony?

@shadowhenge7118

4 жыл бұрын

Its multitrack, so it would be easy to use up that.

wow,it sound great actually

@joeyxl3456

4 жыл бұрын

every time i hear it it sounds really great to me. and that's what its all about i reckon

Dang I would looooove to play one of these! Had been wondering for years why Roland hadn't made a modern, full-size Jupiter. It's expensive -- $2,500. So I'll never be able to buy a new one, but a few years down the line I'll try to get my hands on a used one. Looks dope and sounds amazing.

@tuneunleashed

4 жыл бұрын

Tomorrow is never promised.....get one.

Shock Horror!!! Having just downloaded all 5 .pdf Jupiter Xm documents, it is indeed a ROMPLER!! There's literally thousands of samples and similar numbers of patches (like over 1000 for XV 5080). I will try to figure out if Jupiter 8 patchbank is editable like the real analogue synth, or these are Roland's "best of" selection, with a little layering, filter, amp etc for user customising. This could be about to drop off my Could Buy list. Hope I'm wrong.

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

Why would you expect anything else? It has acoustic sounds, including great pianos. Of course it's a rompler, that's their specialty of the last three decades. They rule.

I love the look of this keyboard and of course, the heritage associated with these sounds. It did seem a bit odd that the company rep was talking about an update though, when the keyboard itself hasn't actually been released yet!

How about sampling or more models added in future upgrades?

So it’s the same synth but with more keys?

@Wagoo

4 жыл бұрын

yes and a few more knobs

@st0rmchild

4 жыл бұрын

And aftertouch.

@tuneunleashed

4 жыл бұрын

Sums it up

@luapworrag

4 жыл бұрын

Lordtunes Piano Reviewer I love Roland but forgive the pun, behringer are running rings around them. Korg’s doing the arp. Roland have a tonne of history and legacy and they are missing the point. Either bring something new to the table or create something retro that is core to their legacy. A lot of people want their vintage stuff but it’s too expensive so we buy clones. Or we want something new and fresh. I love Roland and the look of this beast is amazing. But it’s nothing new. And it’s certainly not a real legacy rerelease.

@st0rmchild

4 жыл бұрын

@@luapworrag The Jupiter-X was not designed to be a recreation of any legacy synth, nor is it marketed as such. Behringer is cleaning up in the low end, budget synth market by copying other companies products (which saves a lot of money on R&D) and mass producing them, nothing more. Zero innovation, and certainly not running rings around anyone. But they do make a lot of people happy who can’t afford to buy anything else, and I give them credit for that.

But it dosen't have D-Beam :( no Buy!

@RoyMaya

4 жыл бұрын

D-Beam is so yesterday! Haven't you heard Roland is now on the Enhancia ring? Why use a beam when you can use a ring. ha

3:35 😍 Please make a ‘playing only’ video, Mark!

This Jupiter lacks the analogue warmth of the original. can someone just remake the Jupiter 8?

@user-lw8dr6xx8i

4 жыл бұрын

i hope Roland will never do a Jupiter 4 digital remake. some things should be left alone.

@corypalmer5495

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-lw8dr6xx8i yeah the Jupiter4 has less sound shaping possibilities than the Xm but it still sounds better than it. Our generation has the most resources to start making our own music, but the past generations were definitely being sold better synths.

@corypalmer5495

4 жыл бұрын

@Murada WHHAAAT? Are they selling DIY kits?

@synthartist69

4 жыл бұрын

@@corypalmer5495 yeah but none of us could afford those vintage synths back then,,, 1,295,00 for a juno 60 was like 4 or 5 grand today

@corypalmer5495

4 жыл бұрын

@@synthartist69 yeah that's true as well, we can't win lol unless you're born into a rich family

Who ya gonna call?! Not Roland!!! 👻

How many Arpeggiators does it have bearing in mind the Yamaha Montage has over 10,000,I do like the look and sound of the Jupiter X.

He looked like he wanted to hit you with a Juno chop

@toono21

4 жыл бұрын

i thought i was watching an episode of the family guy

@Scottywardgaming

4 жыл бұрын

E Nuff C Nuph most definitely on purpose lol

@toono21

4 жыл бұрын

@@Scottywardgaming Oi! Dmaj not usE yA puns Amin lonGmaj!

The most interesting thing Roland now do is the Go Mixer in my opinion.

where is elektron? Are they having a rest?

@Pastramowitz

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy I’m thinking the same where’s the show stoppers like 2019 hoping somebody makes some real noise today ... I mean super 6 always welcome mpc one cool and sequential... but where the Goods...

@s90210h

4 жыл бұрын

probably holding out for Superbooth

@Jeremy-su3xy

4 жыл бұрын

@@s90210h Or they are having a great time to spend money earned from the last whole mk2 stuff. They are now even tired of manufacturing the cheap sampler with stickers.

@SingularityMedia

4 жыл бұрын

Biding their time before releasing the MK3 versions of everything in even more Boring colours.

@Jeremy-su3xy

4 жыл бұрын

@@SingularityMedia They have stickers.

ACB anywhere on this machine?

@floridahiker1503

4 жыл бұрын

It's all zen-core no acb but the hardware is superior to the System 8.

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

I'm told this kills ACB stuff

wow I learned more bout it from the commnts than from the Roland guy xD

So basically.. everyone should buy the XM and MC707 instead of the X. To get your money's worth. (For the same price) Got it 👌

@asi281

4 жыл бұрын

which is what i did

@skunksmisery

4 жыл бұрын

@@asi281 No to minikeys.

@bilonggrisimmeri

4 жыл бұрын

Wow $3K + is more than I was expecting. A lot more. Never mind, plenty of other tasty synths out there to add to the 'ole Could Buy list. Intriguing synth though.

@Johnnyslash1

4 жыл бұрын

Now that's an interesting combination worth considering.

@sublibrarian

4 жыл бұрын

...Or FP10 and MC707

I would like Roland to make a Controller for there Classic Roland JD990. This xm looks nice .

Roland is chasing a ghost...they can't forget the "Jupiter" name although they could use some names from the Jupiter moons, lol. ("Callisto X", "Ganymede X")

@davebellamy4867

4 жыл бұрын

I think I maybe they are going after all the people who can't afford a Jupiter 8 by releasing something that looks just like a Jupiter 8. The whole synth market seems so saturated now; it's going right off the scale.

@synthartist69

4 жыл бұрын

@@davebellamy4867 Bigtime... Behringer releases a new synth every few weeks alone!

@DeyquanBowens

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe they should use another planet lol! Roland Uranus 8 would be interesting lol!

@DeyquanBowens

4 жыл бұрын

synthartist69 Hahahaha!

@floridahiker1503

4 жыл бұрын

Aerial. Making a clone is chasing a ghost. Continuing the successful Jupiter line for decades with new technology is good business.

Digital ????

@tuneunleashed

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Digital Analog Modelling pretty dope to me

I'm going to need a bigger desk to put it on

seems funny that it has these va engines of past analog synths, which all had their own personlity and appearance. would make more sense if the jupiter X was it's own unique analog synth with more modulation and exotic panel features

@fortheloveofnoise9298

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, Roland needs to make a fully analog poly synth beast again.

I'm in love. This is a very exciting synth. Check Synthmania's review of the Xm. This keyboard sounds beautiful and looks fabulous. I want one.

No multiple outs, these people are on a separate planet, far far away from most of us.

Wow, an Arp that accompanies you - let's ship them out to all the nursing homes .... whatever. A box full of old synths which all sound the same. I love Roland but this is no flagship .....

It looks great, and is a pretty replicant aesthetically of a jupiter 8. It has all these various engines and does to my ears (via headphones) sound very good. The only puzzle is why they didnt give it a larger, perhaps colour screen, similar to.the V synth (loved it when i had one), instead of what looks like the small screen of the xm. It'd make programming and creating your own arpeggios/sequences a lot easier . At that price, it's a lot of instrument, but if one of the USP's is the i arpeggiator, then the ability to program it with some ease, should be addressed swiftly, for there's a lot of competition, including some of Roland's own products either standalone (e.g. new fantom) or in combination (mc 707 & jupiter xm, for instance), which have more flexibility and useage value.

@jacobbrown1690

4 жыл бұрын

they had a jupiter 80 for that lol

@tuneunleashed

4 жыл бұрын

Get a used Jupiter 80. You may find a good price.

CR78 ?. Its an 808 @ 3:12 Patch

@zibbybone

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, a Roland representative that doesn't know classic Roland sounds :(

@ram-4

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly - I sometimes wonder how these ”reps” are selected for their job(s).

nice

Say what you want it sounds really good.

looks awesome.. btw $2400 in the US.. not bad

I can't wait to see it by my self and try it how far can it go

Zen-core in AX-Edge?? COOL.

No sound from the unit until 3 minutes in.

@sonicstate

4 жыл бұрын

See the sound only demo we also shot

These guys... God... Like multi-track. If you ask about sliders and knobs, he has a prerecorded vocal track about that. If you ask if it is the same Zen Core engine as Xm, he will play his track about Zen Core engine. The guy just asked, if the engine was the same, just answer - Yes, it is the same engine as in Xm and Fantom. End. Christ...

Yeah, I don't care what I have to sell, I'm getting this.

@truthmanifestingtruth

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Morrison and not the Fantom? Why?

@jacobbrown1690

4 жыл бұрын

get the fantom does so much more.

hey nick. he said the price is 2 thousand something in another video.

The bigger Jupiter-X should also have an ACB model of the Jupiter-8 like the System-8. Too bad.

@arbogast4950

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't it?

@jacobbrown1690

4 жыл бұрын

the first model is jupiter 8 go watch the video again.

Nice Guy… but dude you're in LA working as a representative of Roland for the show… you should know the MSRP or MAP (one or the other or both) for this in US dollars. I thought that when this was announced 2-3 months ago that the price was going to be $2,595… $3K is getting pretty damn high for what this is. I could see this as tempting for many at $2,595 MSRP and a MAP of $2,095.

@RobertSaintJohn

4 жыл бұрын

USA MSRP $3,249.99, street price $2499

@Robert44444444

4 жыл бұрын

OK… thanks… that's where I got my $2,500-ish price from. (BTW… MAP = Minimum Advertised Price, and that's pretty much what "street price" is these days). Still, I think Mark Watson should be familiar with this piece of info.

Roland Jupiter X Nr 1 PLANET TERA Best Creator.

Roland...."Never Chase a ghost". Except they kinda are.

@Aetila

4 жыл бұрын

I wish they stopped using the "Jupiter" name on their digital VA synths, lol.

@Digiphex

4 жыл бұрын

Behringer - slaying ghosts.

@floridahiker1503

4 жыл бұрын

Continuing the Jupiter line isnt chasing a ghost. Making a clone is chasing a ghost.

I will stick with my XM. Literally nothing new but access and more keys. Extra 1k?? Oh Roland.

@djtyson435

4 жыл бұрын

Plus they made a big deal of ppl wanting a re-issue of an old synth.. then turns around and does this 🙄. Basically the Tr-09 BS all over again. No Analog but digital sampling/synthesis of older models..

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

@@djtyson435 It does so much more than that. It's not meant to be an analog synth.

@djtyson435

4 жыл бұрын

@@BrandonRyan I mean it is more than that but.. I'm not surprised by this move lol ik what this is. They want the fantom to continue to sell. So they had to go this route with the X and Xm. Which they're technically giving their customers what they wanted 🤷🏽‍♂️😅 (they just wanted true analog)

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

@@djtyson435 It's kind of a mixture of many classic analogs (modeled) with the vintage digitals and ability mix, match and layer. You couldn't' do this with a purely analog synth. Totally get that not everything is for everyone :-)

@st0rmchild

4 жыл бұрын

That's the whole point of the Xm though…to have the exact same capabilities in a portable package. This isn't an upgrade, it's just the large version of the same thing. They were announced on the same day, last September.

multiple outputs?...let me check...

@davebellamy4867

4 жыл бұрын

Errrrmmmm, nope, stereo. Yeah, didn't go well, that one, did it really? It's got aftertouch though!!!! Like WWWWOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!

3 grand? Jeeeezzz expensive for a digital clone of 30 year old machines. Good for gigging musicians who actually make money.

@final_mile_music9713

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Love the aesthetic, but can’t understand the advantage over a nice controller and a DAW with Roland cloud at home. Just for out on the road I guess.

@yevgenitiger

4 жыл бұрын

They have System 8 for that

Love it can't afford!

So basically 3-something - means 3-grand or more.

I’ll stick with phantom G8 and Jupiter 80

He mentioned Logic but what about other DAWs?

@creatorsremose

4 жыл бұрын

Just another Mac drone... it's a regular USB driver which will work with most DAWs.

@TommyVarekai

4 жыл бұрын

Creator's Remorse thanks!

Well it's great, Roland looking to the future, not doing their old synths in analogue and generally pushing the boundary's of the limits of tech.. How else would they be able to keep offering people all those old sounds we need in a retro future. 😀

Looks nice but way too expensive.

over priced this too me just sounds like they have built a controller for the acb Jupiter ie system 8 I bet theres hardly any Dif between them im over Roland now charging that price for the 707 lol and this is at 3k

@SPAZZOID100

4 жыл бұрын

It’s NOT ACB.

Don' understand the decisions of Roland in the last years. Doing some instruments (a part) of their end-users don't even consider. Behringer is in my opinion doing very well at this, and gives us what we always wanted, for a fair price. So sad to see such a great company as Roland going down the wrong way. Honestly all of their products in the last two years have never made that "wow" effect on me personally, however seeing Behringer reissue a euro rack sized system100m made my jaw drop...

Artificial intelligence is going to put a lot of mixing and mastering engineers out of commission and beat makers. 5 years

I wish it was really analog. I almost feel like once it's digital it might as well be a plug-in. But it seems like a good synth none the less

@djtyson435

4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly! I didn't think the X would be the exact same (internally) as the XM. For all that ppl mine as well save their coins and space, just buy the XM 🤷🏽‍♂️

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

Why do people always say this? So every digital synth in history should be a plugin? Interfaces and playability don't mean anything? Play one and then tell me a plugin would be the same.

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

@@djtyson435 I take you don;t really play keys...

@djtyson435

4 жыл бұрын

@@BrandonRyan I do actually.. (not perfect but yes) I don't understand your retort ?

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

@@djtyson435 Right on. So I guess my point was that it seemed you placed no value on the super nice keyboard on the X and its performance controls. It's not just ANY keyboard...it's probably the best synth action keyboard I've ever played. And it has the Roland bender, AND two mod wheels, etc. As a player, I value these things versus the Xm, which has portability and space-saving in it's corner.

Я ОДИН ТУТ ПО РУССКИ ПИШУ ? МНЕ ПОНРАВИЛСЯ ЭТОТ ИНСТРУМЕНТ , КУПЛЮ ЕГО !

Roland seems to be making weird decisions lately. People want either new stuff or rehashing a of the old stuff, not a new thing that poorly represents the originals. Not that this is bad, but it also doesn’t seem good. If I had one I’d use it, but I’m not gonna go out and buy it.

ACB Hupe? Die Behringer Flamme ist noch zu kalt. yey,

I will stick with my original JP-8 hahah

Behringer makes better Roland products then Roland now.

@RobertSaintJohn

4 жыл бұрын

If a Deepmind Juno clone that doesn't sound like a Juno, an RD-8 with sync issues and a borked sequencer, and an MS-1 with broken glide are your ideas of "better Roland products", please seek help.

@synthartist69

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobertSaintJohn My Behringer products are working great, I agree a deepmind doesn't sound like a juno but behringer is gettimg better at cloning, Hopefullu a juno 60 in the cards with the chorus

@Hogboy345

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobertSaintJohn Roland just pumps out cheap digital stuff when they have the most incredible analog vintage catalog. They should just remake the classics, take a page out of Korgs book.

@SPAZZOID100

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Saint John bullshit. All my stuff has zero issues.

High resolution vst.

“It sounds beautiful....” beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess...

This is an open letter to Roland. I think Roland has a very weird view on the market today. Please see Korg as an example how to approach the vintage classics. Just do a 1:1 re-issue, sell them for 4K - 5K make them limited, make them of the highest quality, and you have a really really big winner and your company will earn SO MUCH PROFIT. Jupiter 8 - Make a 1: 1 replica. Exactly the same sound, no difference. Same knobs, same everything. Make it high end. But make it have modern conveniences like: Midi, USB, Velocity and After touch. Make these available to modulate any parameter you like. That's it. Sell them for: 3 - 4K and I can assure you that A LOT of people will buy these. Even at 4 - 5 K. No question, they will sell. Roland, if you are listening, please consider this, this will be huge for the synthesizer community and a new generation of musicians. Secondly, consider doing this with other classics, like the Roland System 700. Here is what you: make a limited ultra high end 1:1 replica, but with modern conveniences of the Roland System 700. Make it as big and chunky like the original, no fancy screens, no lights, a 1:1 replica, but with midi, usb maybe, velocity or after touch would be nice. But no drastic cosmetic or technical changes. Behringer dominates the market with cheap clones, but make yourself different by doing the opposite: reissue your classics, make it stand out by QUALITY. Make HIGH END products. You can easily make a 1:1 reissue of the TR-808, TR-909, etc. People will buy the original ROLAND. Please fill this space in the market Roland. Hope you are listening. Kind regards, -M

@bilonggrisimmeri

4 жыл бұрын

Marcusmiller That ancient Greek proverb, "you cannot bathe in the same river twice", sums up my feelings. What if the exact same electronic components are no longer available? New environmental laws prohibit all kinds of substances, not just lead. I would love to know Roland's production figures, but it's probably considerably higher than boutique, euro rack and even DSI/Sequential.

@Aetila

4 жыл бұрын

Roland: "That would be like ...chasing phantoms!" :-)

@jacobbrown1690

4 жыл бұрын

roland will never do that they are too proud and full of them selves. Those exact chips arent available anymore and the only company making anything like those chips is .....a company behringer owns lol....

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aetila that was a pretty pathetic excuse, terrible bit of PR, lol

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

"SO MUCH PROFIT" If that were even remotely true, Roland would jump on it, guaranteed. Korg is doing a labor of love, relatively, those ARP reissues aren't going to fetch them anywhere near as much money as their digital keyboards and other products, but they do it anyway because they probably are more full of synth enthusiasts, I think. Roland chases money, and money is in digital, and their digital keyboards are top sellers, so that steers which way they go on flagship product design.

VST inside good synth body. But no more authentic sound...

@corypalmer5495

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly it sounds so flat. It's 2020 and they're making worse synths than the original.

I'm always interested to see how Roland misses the mark with what consumers want.

this or the oberheim from dave smith hmmm.....

@pisstapeexpert

4 жыл бұрын

I have the OB6 you should get the OB6 it's amazing and analog.

3k....but the keys feel amazing. Yea, never buying that.

@zibbybone

4 жыл бұрын

$2500 USD

@tuneunleashed

4 жыл бұрын

@@zibbybone Canada,Australia and England 3k plus

Over priced, many many other options

@sargeant1hundred

4 жыл бұрын

List a few, please.

@Aetila

4 жыл бұрын

@@sargeant1hundred From DAWS (complete computer + tons of smaller synths) to Yammy Montage, MODX and used Korg Kronos 1-2...you can buy a LOT of gears for 3500 USD nowadays. And they left out the Touch Beam AND the full sampling capacity (like on the G6) but set a very high price, they new business idea: "Less features for MORE money!" :-)

@Russtopia

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aetila Exactly. Roland started segmenting the capabilities of the Fantom-X and other models of the 2000-era into separate models to squeeze as much money as possible out of their market. I noticed the D-beam, where present, became more and more limited in function in later models, for example. I haven't spent much time in a music store the last few years but the last time I checked every Roland synth seemed to be a focused, limited subset of earlier models with one or two whizz-bang features to make it seem 'new'. Sound-wise they all seemed to me to be just using an SRX sound engine or derivative. I think the sweet spot for 'modern' Roland boards was still 2000-2004 or so, Fantom-X/G, V-Synth/XT.

@floridahiker1503

4 жыл бұрын

Other new 61 key synthesizers like the Nord Wave 2, Access Virus T1 V2, Montage 6, Sequential Prophet X, etc are more expensive than the Jupiter X. The MODX 6 is cheaper but plastic.

@tuneunleashed

4 жыл бұрын

Daniel Momcilovic I’m sorry but the Roland Jupiter X is the best budget 61 Key to date with an analog built metal built chassis, after touch and (digital) analog modelling. Yes indeed it’s 3k+here in Canada and 2k+ in some places in the world but it’s worth it. The Yamaha Montage and all of that I see it as a workstation/performance synth I have a Montage 8 and I always consider these high end keyboards as my main keyboard for everything and the Jupiter X as a secondary synthesizer for lead sounds and (etc). The best 61 key overall is the Moog One in My opinion is way too expensive. This is your best bet or wait for a Behringer their Poly D seems pretty nice.

wow 3 grand .......

@sasarasa88

4 жыл бұрын

I think he threw out a number without thinking too much. It's probably in the 2.5k ballpark

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

@@sasarasa88 It's $2500 USD

@MurrayDagostino

4 жыл бұрын

Its their top of the line synth, they’re usually around that price point. In other words, often too much for us normal people lol

@notsure1135

4 жыл бұрын

Meh. Sounds like an 80's cop show.

How much? I thought it was going to be $2,499! I want it soooo badly but I'm not paying $3k for it! (inc. tax etc) Dream crushed!!! :( Jupiter-Xm here I come....

@RobertSaintJohn

4 жыл бұрын

No, it really is $2499 USD. He must have been thinking AUD

@SynthgodXXX

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobertSaintJohn Thank you soooo much!! You just saved the dream! :)

@SynthgodXXX

4 жыл бұрын

@@synthartist69 I understand what you mean, you and I have owned the real Jupiter-8. I was drawn to the System-8 but found out it didn't send out MIDI from the sequencer...

@SynthgodXXX

4 жыл бұрын

@@synthartist69 I'm afraid the Jupiter-X will go up 2nd hand like the Jupiter-80 did!

@synthartist69

4 жыл бұрын

@@SynthgodXXX ugh,,,, I sold my jp80 for 1,800 was glad to see it go,, lol

Behringer will save us!!

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

From overpriced vintage analogue? Sure, but what does this have to do with the Jupiter-Xm? zilch?

How could he not have the prices memorized lol. Nice guy, lame synth (imo)

@final_mile_music9713

4 жыл бұрын

And he couldn’t bring him self to add the word ‘thousand’ onto the ‘three’. That’s crazy expensive for what I’m seeing here.

yikes

*I'll stick with Behringer*

I thought for sure this was gonna be a souped up analog Jupiter 8 revival. Roland could've killed the game with one product, but instead they make a bigger Jupiter-Xm? What a shame.

@Jason75913

4 жыл бұрын

lol Roland ditched analogue decades ago, the only Jupiter8 revival was the laughable boutique thingy, get with the times, buddy.

There is a lot said abouth the analog vs digital question and I want not at present to go into this. What I think there is missing in the whole debate as I have seen abouth this synth is a more objective point of view. Remeber that some get these synth for free or borough for making a video/review which might corrupt the objectivity - thought Loopop made a balanced review, and it is OK to show how to use (read make music) with the product like Gattobus make. There are some unclear points abouth this synthesizer and I will hope that Sonic State will adress these in future reviews of the Jupiter x (Hearafter called JX). I will first mention these and afterwards give some comments on how I see this product. 1. Roland writtes in product spec that there is over 4.000 tones and 256 user tones. Does this mean that the 4.000 presets are non-rewritable? Jupiter 80/50 has 2.500 livesets and 2.500 tones which all can be deleted and overwritten with user tones. If it is true that there is only 256 user tones it is a major drawback compared to Jupiter 80/50. Remember that the tones in a scene are only adressed to the tone banks and any change to a tone in one scene will effect/change the tone itself and used in another scene. This will be very limited when 256 scenes only comrises of some of the presets or one or more of the 256 . Not much variation. 2. Are tones imported to a scene with or without the actual effects used by the tone in a tonebank? 3. What is a "model" or as one of the Roland employes call it "engine"? Is this a model of certain synthesizer as on System 8 (fex JP8, Juno 106 etc.) or is it "just" a bank of patches (tones) that are programmed to sound like certain synthesizer sound (fex JP 8 strings, Juno bass tec)? 4. The above mentioned is related to the used Zen core technology. I observed that some called it tech from Vsynth, some tech from d-50 etc.and that it is sample based. There is no question that it is NOT the ACB tech used in System 8 or the boutiques. 5. JX and Xm has four oscilators (partials) Can you have one oscilator (partial) with VA waveform, another one with a digital wave, the third with ...(?)? Again if the "model" is a virtual model of certain synthesizer you can not as the original analog of cource only had analog waveforms. On JdXa and Prevous Jupiters and Fantoms tec. you could freely mixe oscilator types to achieve more varation or certain kind of (evolving) sound. The informations given by Roland both on the webpage, in product documentation and in product shows (NAMM etc.) are quite a bit unclear on all the above mentioned questions. Roland ows to give customers clear informations. Some of the communication is "smart"salestalk and beets around the bush. As i see the product there might be the case that it is a way to organise sounds more that a virtual remake of certain instruments. In both Jupiter 80/50 and JdXa you can have patches called "JP8 ...and something "strings etc" .., JUno .... and something ("bass or brass"). These patches (tones) are spread over variety of memory locations. It could seems that the tones mimicing certain synthesizer instrument sound are put together in a bank called "model" (with the modeled filter type as you allready have in Jupiter 80/50, JdXa etc. So it might be more a bank of "Jupiter sounds, a bank of SH sounds etc more then a modeled instrument (synthesizer) in question. It is just made easy for those who want "JP strings" to find the sound (tone). If it was a specific modeled VA synthesizer in JX how can you have the same in the new Fantom and MC boxes? These don`t call things "models" or engines, but talk more abouth certain types of modeled filters (fex JP filter, Moog and Prophet ) that can be used in programming of certain type of sounds in question. As is written there is around 50 arpeggiotypes. In Jupiter 80/50 you have 126 with several number of variations on each and place for 126/16 user arpeggios. If the above said on restricted memory the JX is a step-back from Jupiter 80/50 in several aspects I see the JX as a kind of new Jupiter 80/50 with a better UI - knobs and sliders for most parameters, as JUpiter 80/50 had a more digital approach with a lot menuediving. Though the new JX might have a problem - the tiny screen - if you want to make user arpeggios. It seems nearly impossible to see anything as you have both the rows and lines and other parameters in one screen picture. The same with in deep programming. People ask who is this synth made for. I will try a guess - giging keybordist in a band that need a portable instrument with a variety of synth sounds and whos audience don`t give a s.... what instrument you use (irrelevant if it is analog or digital, Korg or Roland etc.). And then people who want/desire the vintage synths, but I am affraid they will get disappointed.

Karaoke Synth

We want a Jupiter 8, and you give us a vst in a pretty box. Duh Rodumb strikes again. Magical zencore.yea right.

Roland keep recycling the Jupiter is starting to get boring!!

@BrandonRyan

4 жыл бұрын

JUPITER is a class of synthesizer, not a JUPITER-8.There's a huge difference.

For the 1%

So close, but so far... No one cares about Roland's modelling obsession except Roland. Why no real analogue?

@bilonggrisimmeri

4 жыл бұрын

andrew jones I listend to Synth Mania's comparison video, whch seems to show otherwise. I thought all the legacy synths sounded nealy identical to JupiterXm. I don't know any of them well, if at all, and the 5080 model may not be the complete original, as that was an S&S design. Also, JupiterX is a synth in its own right, with its own samples, waveforms, filters etc. That said, a UK price of £2,500 would be too much for me. I really want to love this synth.

@Pamberjack_

4 жыл бұрын

@@bilonggrisimmeri Analogue modelling is old tech to try and sound like real analogue but to avoid the pitfalls of the 1970s circuits. Those pitfalls have been overcome in the last 5 or so years and it's now completely possible to make real, dependable and cost-effective analogue gear. I'd like to meet the guy at Roland who's making the decision not to do analogue reproductions of the 303, 808, 606, Jupiter 8 etc. He needs to be sacked. Hell, if Korg can make money from an Arp 2600 reissue, why not Roland and the Jupiter 8? For the right price, they'd sell a shit ton. Meanwhile, I think I'll just wait for the Behringer Jupiter 8 clone. It should be along to cut Roland's grass (again) any day now...

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