Scott, you should write a book debunking Hollywood Babylon. That would be a fascinating read!

@laurensanchez1662

2 ай бұрын

You are on point with your comment. Scott is so passionate about Old Hollywood or Hollywood in general, that would make a great read!

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

Capital idea !

@richardmcleod1930

2 ай бұрын

Sadly people oftentimes prefer to believe the lies rather than to believe and know the truth.

@brucestratford5838

2 ай бұрын

Kenneth Anger made up alot of that book the murder weapon was not a dildo. They just beat him to death. Anger really stretched the truth with that book.

@anonymous78546

Ай бұрын

I agree. Scott, please put all the secrets you know in a book. I will pre order.

in the early fifties, Ramon Novarro was in the knights of columbus with my dad. (i have a group picture) RN held me as a baby! much later i was at Manresa retreat house in the san gabriel mountains and i happened to walk into the church, where there was a beautiful altar, on the side plaque was ''donated by Ramon Novarro''. dad worked at glen glenn studios at the time in the editing department.

@natalieangelo54

2 ай бұрын

Wow, so cool , what a story , glad u have that pic ,

@hell0hkitty

2 ай бұрын

@@natalieangelo54 thanks I’ll try and post it

@karenbrown4524

2 ай бұрын

Hell0kitty,

@micheletherese3503

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@ConnieHeartsValentino

Ай бұрын

Please post it. Evidently, the man was doing his best to live his Catholic faith. May he rest in peace.

Fun Fact Scott " Paul Ferguson was beaten to death in prison in 2018" Karma came full circle "! Isn't it ironic! Great video, thanks for sharing.👍✨💙✨💙✨💙✨💙✨💙✨✌️

@natalieangelo54

2 ай бұрын

Karma for sure , what goes around comes around

@wisdomseeker3362

2 ай бұрын

​​@@natalieangelo54 Certainly does!

@barneyronnie

2 ай бұрын

Sometimes❤

@kathleendobens6648

2 ай бұрын

Whos paul...?

@natalieangelo54

2 ай бұрын

@@kathleendobens6648 one of the men that beat up Ramon to death

Thank you for honoring Ramon Novarro’s legacy by setting the record straight. It sickens me that people think it’s ok to print fiction about real people who aren’t around to stand up for themselves.

@ConnieHeartsValentino

Ай бұрын

Exactly! It's so sad. And then some might justify their work by saying they are practicing free speech and freedom of the press. What they forget is that they must not take the liberty to abuse this right.

AND they only served less than 10 years in prison of their LIFE sentences. So even back then our justice system was a joke. Well eventually they got what was coming to them. I'll have to buy Mr. Ellenberger's book because the traffic noise was drowning out a lot of what he was saying. Thank you for another interesting story. R.I.P Ramon Novarro

This story makes me so sad for Ramon and so angry at the trash killers and trash writer K. Anger. Thank you for helping set Ramon's history back to truth.

@MummyBrown

2 ай бұрын

I grew up on classic Hollywood so I was so happy to have found Hollywood Babylon in a thrift store as a kid after having heard so much about it from 'Mysteries and Scandals,' that show hosted by AJ Benza. WOW. The amount of trash I had to unlearn from Hollywood Babylon is insane. K. Anger should be ashamed of himself. The photo of Lewis Stone still haunts me to this day. Come to think of it, Scott would be a GREAT choice for the host of an updated 'Mysteries and Scandals!'

@ellenwoodruff4518

2 ай бұрын

@@MummyBrown I agree 100%. Scott is brilliant at sorting out the truth.

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

My sentiments exactly!

One of the funniest things ever said by a human being: Billy Haines (who'd been close with Navarro early on) was asked by a fan magazine if he knew him- he replied "We sing in the same choir."

Thanks Scott for assisting to cleaning up the Hollywood lies.

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

I heartily concur ! Kenneth Anger's "Hollywood Babylon" books are a joke.

@soniaclarkstewart

2 ай бұрын

I remember thinking for so many years that Jayne Mansfield was decapitated.

Novarro did an episode of The Wild Wild West the year before he died, so he did dip his toe into the campy television genre. He was a true star and gentleman, may his rest be peaceful.

@blazefairchild465

2 ай бұрын

I wonder if it’s on KZread I will check after I watch.

@barneyronnie

2 ай бұрын

The Wild, Wild West was a great show! I watched it during my early teens in the 60s.

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

@@barneyronnie My brother & I regularly watched "The Wild Wild West" on TV as youngsters in the late 60s.

I intended to skip over this when l read the title because of that salacious, false story but decided to at least leave a thumbs up in support of your channel, Scott. Thank you for reporting the truth! Ramon Novarro was such a handsome young man. Such a terrible way to die - RIP.🌹 As for Kenneth Anger, nobody misses him.

Great interview Scott. Such a tragedy to die under those circumstances. No one deserves to die in terror just seeking companionship. As always, your professionalism is top notch.

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

Well said and well put.

I love the old Hollywood stories.

@dianabeurman364

2 ай бұрын

Me too!

@shelbysellers4810

2 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of modern Hollywood but old Hollywood is facinating.

Well done. Thank you for sticking up for this man. I remember reading that horrible piece of crap book when I was a kid and the pic of Lewis Stone laying on the ground dying with his wife hovering over him still haunts me. Thx for setting some of the records straight.

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

My sentiments exactly.

@hdp007

15 күн бұрын

Same here, I can still see that sad photo, and that of Jayne Mansfield’s little dog.

I have the book Hollywood Babylon and had no idea those stories were lies! Thank you for revealing these awful lies for those who can not contest them!

@DearlyDepartedTours

2 ай бұрын

There will be more. Marie Prevost, Lupe Velez are two of the worst. Thank you for watching!

@chrisharris7931

2 ай бұрын

@@DearlyDepartedTours I'm pretty sure that he also started the Urban Legend about Fatty Arbuckle and the champagne bottle...and Jayne Mansfield being beheaded in the crash. Both of those were pretty bad too, along with Ramon Navarro.

@JDCardwell80

2 ай бұрын

I've always wondered who/where that f'd up story about Arbuckle started.

@Bobbygambone7154

2 ай бұрын

I have 100s of books on Hollywood of the old days from the beginning. Didn’t know that a lot of they are false

@roomfulofblues3173

2 ай бұрын

I also have that book😮

As a classic Hollywood loving brown gal, I'm so happy to hear that Ramon was indeed the gentleman that I always thought he was. Those eyes truly are the gateway to the soul. Much love to him in rest, I hope he is finally surrounded in love and friendship. Thank you so much for your insight, Allan! I now need to scoop up all of Allen's books, he is a wealth of knowledge. I already own The Valentino Mystique and it's wonderful!

That book. That BOOK! I used to LOVE that book! Discovered it in the late 80's & practically memorized it! I was in my late teens, and my Mom (who loved 'old' Hollywood) & I would read in astonishment, questioning what could be true or not! That book made made me realize that Hollywood held many, many secrets! Ironically, I didn't find out that most of it, (or all - take your pick) wasn't true until the internet! 🤣 When I discovered your website, I was hooked all over again! Only this time, with actual facts! 😂 Scott, thanks for doing what you do! Detailing Hollywood's history while there are still people around who know it and the people who made it, is important work. Please keep up the fantastic work! 👍

@banana5512

2 ай бұрын

P. S. To this day, whenever I hear Novarro or Lupe Velez's name, I think of Hollywood Babylon's account of their deaths...

@Sandi-ke9mi

2 ай бұрын

My story is almost the same as yours because I loved that book too. Then I discovered Scott. 🙌🏻😉💕

@Janster59

2 ай бұрын

I would go into the bookshop and read passages from That Book till I read it all....creepy

Hi, Scott! Great episode - thanks for setting the record straight. We don't want lies and embellishments. Take care and have a great weekend.

Love your channel. Thank you for all you do! ❤

RIP Ramon Novarro.🙏

The book on Miriam Hopkins by Allen Ellenburger is an excellent Biography of this Star who had quite a long career from the Movies, to Stage, to Radio and Television. In addition it should be noted that Miriam Hopkins was a favorite Actress of Director Ernst Lubitsch. She was also nominated a Best Actress Academy Award for her starring role in the first Three-Strip Technicolor film, 1935's "Becky Sharp".

@OldmovieMike

2 ай бұрын

Love Miriam Hopkins, so beautiful and talented!

Ramon Navarro also played in an episode of COMBAT it took me a while to remember thea but COMBAT was ( and still is ) one of my favorite TV. shows. THANK YOU FRANK FROM MONTANA........

What a great v/log, Scott. Love these macabre true stories.

George Hurrell did a magnificent portrait of Ramon. What a looker!

@richardmcleod1930

2 ай бұрын

Ramon Nararro wasn't the only Hollywood Star to have beautiful photographs made of them. There were many Stars to benefit from the talented George Hurrell.

@unclenelvis

2 ай бұрын

Remember we try to judge people by the content of their character and not their appearance. #bekind.

@richardmcleod1930

2 ай бұрын

@@unclenelvis In that regard you are correct but one cannot help but remember the phrase 'Radio Faces". Some people had million dollar voices and some had both the looks and the voice. For those with both it was the Silver Screen. Radio Actors were some of the best in the business and their talent was especially appreciated during the "Golden Age of Radio".

@richardmcleod1930

2 ай бұрын

He would have never been paired with Garbo in "Mata Hara" if he didn't have the looks!

@unclenelvis

2 ай бұрын

@@richardmcleod1930 I’m this situation and indeed most others the words unclenelvis you’re right are not required because……..? That’s right. I’m wheats right.

Thanks for hollywood history because i never had heard of him so thanks and your friend too.

Famous San Jacinto college dropout Patrick Swayze (1952-2009)

@NovemberReigne

2 ай бұрын

🙏🏾❤️

Great video Scott! One thing however..it may be worth getting a microphone for your guests on these outdoor interviews. It can be a little difficult to understand and/or hear them at times. Stellar video otherwise, very interesting information. Oddly enough I heard the dildo story from an episode of the sopranos where a minor character recounts it to 2 others.

@LousFool

2 ай бұрын

I thought it was me. I also had a difficult time understanding your guest. I missed most of what he was saying.

@michaelcelani8325

2 ай бұрын

​@@LousFool...I am wondering why you did not do the interview in the Middle of Laurel Canyon Blvd. so we could miss ALL of the conversation. Why do a really poor interview halfway ?

@michaelcelani8325

2 ай бұрын

​@@LousFool...You were both poorly prepared and wearing those casual clothes and ugly hats in a graveyard shows the lack of respect...INNER RESPECT for this situation.

Great interview. Thanks Scott

@jubalcalif9100

2 ай бұрын

Yes !

Ramon was such a good looking man. I've never seen any of his movies but my impression of him was that he was a "poor mans" Valentino along with Gilbert Roland. Such a sad story. Love the shirt Scott, it's Jayne Mansfield despite Kenneth Anger's association with it. 😊 Thanks for having Allan on this video, he's awesome 🌞

@auntieclara1811

2 ай бұрын

I think better looking than Valentino.

@laurastrobel718

2 ай бұрын

@@auntieclara1811 Ramon was muy delicious 😌

@marthawelch4289

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say that any of those 3 gentlemen was a "poor man's" someone else. Each of them had a unique look. Valentino had a more sensuous look so that he could play smoldering parts, like the sheik. However, he was the most limited in his range of characters. I think his best part was in "The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse ". That was his best tango. It's too bad he died so young but perhaps he was truly a meteor. Ramon was able to play upscale men through the ages - like Ben Hur in Jesus's time as well as a 1920's well-dressed man about town. I am not sure if I can name a lead acting part past 1935 or so that he would have been perfect for. But I don't think Ramon necessarily was unhappy. He moved on to make a very good living buying and selling real estate. And, for me, the best looking, most versatile actor was Gilbert Roland. He possessed a self-assured masculinity that never came off as overbearing or derogatory of women. Bette Davis told an excellent story (I think it was to Carson) about her first encounter with Gilbert. She said that she moved to Hollywood to be in the movies. Upon arrival she went through the rounds of go-sees and ended up in the office of the big guy at a top notch movie studio. He told her that he believed she had a chance in the movies but he wanted to see if she could handle love scenes. Bette started to panic because she had no experience with men. The movie mogul had selected 5 young men hopefuls for the screen test. Bette sat on the couch and one by one they did a kissing scene with her. She said they seemed to be pretty clumsy and as inexperienced as she. Number 5 walked in and he was introduced as Gilbert Roland. He sat right down next to her. Then the director called "Action". Gilbert looked into her "Bette Davis eyes", telling her how thrilled he was to be alone with her. He lightly kissed her on the cheek and then the lips. Then, well, she told Johnny that the earth moved, the bells rang, and that Gilbert REALLY knew what he was doing.

@laurastrobel718

2 ай бұрын

@@marthawelch4289 Thank you for your insights. 🙂

@marthawelch4289

2 ай бұрын

@@laurastrobel718 Thank YOU for your reply and I hope you have a happy and healthy life!

Fascinating as always!

THIS WAS FRICKIN AWSOME! THANKS SCOTT!!❤❤❤

Poor Ramon. Thanks for this interview Scott and I will definitely be checking out Allans books

Thank you so much for talking about the tragedy of Ramon Novarro

This poor man, clearly with the self imposed penance he was a Catholic with guilt for his life style. May he rest in peace. Life can be so Savage.....

@LP-jn4tw

2 ай бұрын

FYI, many gay people I know are (rightly) insulted when their LIVES are called "lifestyles," as it trivializes who they are and suggests they had/have a choice.

What a wonderful interview with Allen Ellenberger! Ramon was (and is) my favorite silent actor. He made so many wonderful films, both silent and talkies. Thank you Scott! PS: I do have a copy of Ellenbergers book, Hollywood Babylon, Beyond Paradise, and the rare copy of Bloody Wednesday.

Thank you so much for this video. I’m a huge classic film fan and I’ve heard the stories of Ramons horrible death and always wanted to see a detailed documentary. Thank you again.

This was another really interesting story. I didn't become aware of Ramon Novarro until just a couple of years ago when I read about how he died. Thanks for taking us to the neighborhood and showing the house in this video. i was kind of surprised the house is still there. Great job Scott.

@Stephenloizos

2 ай бұрын

not the original house. I stayed in the original house in 1985. Please see my other comments here and my links proving this.

What a tragic story. Once again, a good person destroyed by evil. That seems almost common in Hollywood. Thank you, Scott, for this interesting, but sad, video.

I can honestly say that I have never heard of this gentleman before . Thank you Scott for bringing his past life to the present . As for the guy who wrote “ Hollywood Babylon “, what a hack he is ! The equivalent of the gossip rags out there , either in print or online . But this has gone on for centuries actually . After all , sensationalism sells publications . I’ll even bring in Shakespeare to this . As far as I’ve been able to trace my far flung ancestor back, King MacBeth , well it’s not accurate what Shakespeare wrote . Thank you for the truth Scott ! You have the tenacity of a pit bull . You latch onto something , and you don’t stop until the truth emerges. I could see you being a Crown Prosecutor , if you hadn’t chosen this path .

@grnpeepers2683

2 ай бұрын

Makes one question the Bible too then. How many times it's been rewritten & translated, by humans in their own words or interpretation, it's not improbable.

Great video! Thanks for posting. 💜

I'm really glad you posted this because I read Hollywood Babylon years ago purely because I was a fan of Anger (his movies, not his gossip). Novarros section stood out to me for obvious reasons, and I couldn't find any other source to support the claims in the book and always wondered was it indeed slander or one of those deep deep rabbit holes I needed to go down. I'm glad to see it clearned up. Still love Angers movies, but always felt he was a BS artist, and this solidifies it.

I’m glad you cleared this one up. My late grandmother was a movie buff and she loved this actor. She bought that book Hollywood Babylon, I must of read it a 100x it was so fascinating to me but I didn’t realize the author lied. I luv old Hollywood like you🌹

Thank you, what an amazing eye opener!

You always meet the coolest people!!

Thank You!!! I appreciate all you do and love your channel

I have that book, i remember reading it in the early 80's

@sharonmarinucci1881

2 ай бұрын

It was a great book I was young then so it impressed me very much I really enjoyed this interview today though

Thank you for this video Scott. Ramon was such a goodlooking guy. Such horrible circumstances how he died. RIP Mr. Novarro. 🙏

Kenneth Anger is a known liar. Why he would do that, I have no idea. He wrote horrible things about Lupe Velez and said Marie Prevost’s corpse was eaten by her dachshund. He also had connections to Bobby Beausoliel, he made a film called Lucifer Rising. A strange individual indeed.

Thank you and Allan for a great film! Casey in AZ

Love all the hard work you put into all your videos Scott!

💔 I just want to say how I was touched by the SI crisis hotline info. As someone who struggles with this daily bad a default setting…I appreciate it

@1onearth

Ай бұрын

The first thing I read and kept being drawn back to. I did smile when I realized the interview took place in a cemetery and grateful for the people who are available to help. We've come a long way in the last half century. Welcome to the humane race.

Scott this is one of your best films yet. Very informative and kind. You are always kind and respectful to your subjects. You are a true class act. I read that book years ago when I was a teenager and devoured it. I thought it was all real at the time. Glad to find out it was a fake. Thanks for what you do. I have the same interests as you except you lived out the life I only dreamed about. Thanks again and please keep them coming.

Big fan, keep up the amazing work 👍 much love from Jacksonville Florida.

Great stuff! Thank You.

Great job Scott & Troy! Love you guys!

What a very sad and tragic story. Thanks for setting the record straight.

The only thing I knew about Kenneth Anger is that he made the movie Lucifer Rising and hired Jimmy Page and Bobby Beausoleil to write the music

@shellyraymond4337

2 ай бұрын

Kenneth Anger was a follower of Anton LaVey, the founder of the Satanic church.

Man, I remember reading Hollywood Babylon when I was young. Sad to think Anger did this kind of harm to Novarro’s legacy. Another great interview and video. Thanks Scott!

❤😊❤great content Scott!! Keep it coming 😊

Always enjoyable. Thanks.

Can you do an update on the demolition of Marilyn Monroe's house on Helena drive???

Thank you so much for featuring Ramon Novarro's story and debunking that salacious book by Kenneth Anger. He really should have been called to the carpet for all of the false stories on these Hollywood Greats that could not defend themselves. Also, since "rediscovering" The Great Lover himself, Rudolph Valentino, I've learned so much about the silent era of Hollywood and The Hollywood Forever Cemetery. I've also heard of the work by Allen Ellenberger! It was great to hear about his book about Novarro as well. Very fascinating channel! Thanks again!

Scott what another good true crime video, this was so enjoyable.

I live in MPK so close to Calvary cemetery and lots of famous persons were buried in this cemetery - Lou Costello, Ted Healy to name a few. Adjacent to Calvary is Home of Peace Memorial Park where you’ll find the graves of Louis B. Mayer, Shemp Howard and Curly Howard(3 stooges).

I've wondered about his death for years. Thank you Scott for this video.

Interesting, but difficult to understand your guest speaker because of the background noise.

Wow! Another fascinating story and such a beautiful man. Thank you so much.

Really looking forward to this one. I remember first hearing about this in Hollywood Babylon. As always, Kenneth Anger played hard and loose with the facts, but it's still an interesting case.

That was excellent. Thanks!!

Ramon Novarro was such a handsome star back in the day! So sad, his violent murder.

Thank you so much for doing this and indeed I would buy your Debunking Babylon book!!!

You'd think that someone would be cuttin that grass!

thanxx Scott as usual

Wow! I just joined your channel and I'm going back to watch your videos. You are incredible! This story on Ramon Navarro was so sad but you did such a great job and with dignity! I love old Hollywood stories! Thanks for that great story!!❤️❤️ 43:45

Thanks Scott

I enjoy your videos very much. I have your DVD about the Manson murders. Not something you watch over and over, but it’s very well done. I just purchased Hollywood Babylon. You piqued my curiosity.

And I gree with a commentor below that you should write a book dubunking the lies out there. I would buy it!

thank you for sharing this story and sooo many others 💯👏❤️👏

Scott, you always do excellent work! However, you gotta invest in a lapel mic! It was extremely difficult to hear the interview because of all the ambient noise.

Thanks Scott and Alan! Still amazed all they served was 10 years each

A classic video, thanks again

Great video, RIP Ramon

Excellent channel

I read 'Hollywood Babylon' back in the 70's. I admit that at the time I pretty much believed what I read in there. So now I know. Thanks.

I'd say Ramon Navarro was a big star in the silents. He was a smart businessman and knew Hollywood stardom doesn't last forever. I think why Valentino is iconic is because he died before Talkies. Navarro carried on.

Cool story. Crossing Laurel Canyon on foot is like trying to run across the freeway. Back when you did the Grave Line tours with the hearse, did you have other drivers?

I have read the Hollywood Babylon books,thanks for clarifying Ramom Navarro's death.

Fascinating video. Thank you for bringing us the truth.

Thank you for the great interview with Allen. Will be looking forward to his Hollywood Forever book. What a terrible ending g for Mr. Navarro, such a lovely man. I remember reading g Hollywood Babylon years ago and thought it was full of lying ick.

Thank you, what a sad and horrible ending. Please write a book debunking Hollywood Babylon. There is a great article with a lot of details about the equally disturbing background of the two brothers and the chain of events leading to the murder. One of the brothers had only been in LA for 9 days. It’s on the Out magazine website, called The Hustlers and the Movie Star, by William Van Meter. 2012. Says there also that the original house was demolished (?). PS. It helps to put on the CC/captions to hear/read the conversation at the gravesite.

Kenneth Anger has been cited as an important influence on directors like Martin Scorsese, David Lynch,] and John Waters. Kinsey Today argued that Anger had "a profound impact on the work of many other filmmakers and artists, as well as on music video as an emergent art form using dream sequence, dance, fantasy, and narrative.

Tell Allen thanks for the information about Mr. Novarro. And I love his skull shirt! Good post!

May he rest in peace ✌️🕊️

I'm reading Hollywood Babylon now and I'm pretty sure Ramon Novarro is the next chapter, so I'm grateful to have the true version of events to refer to when I'm reading.

Thank you, and your guest, for going in depth on his passing. It did bring tears to my eyes; how caring he was, and also how the laws and his upbringing at his time was unjust. Although i understand that it is difficult to go against one's upbringing. I just hope he had moments of happiness and freedom. I also have to admit that Hollywood Babylon is an interesting read...like gossip on crack. I am sure other people have commented something similar, but it might be a good series to put out videos that share the truth compared to the book. (I am also wondering if you saw that weird video K.A. did) I look forward to your guest's book on the cemetery. I went there for a CFDA meeting when I was living in LA, but did not have time to explore the grounds. Again, thank you for your work.

Scott. Thanks!!!

One of the main problems is that when many gay men get old, they seem to believe that they're still hot and desirable, instead of a veritable target for hustlers with nefarious purposes.

@Lily-wp8ol

2 ай бұрын

Happens to many older persons, both male, female, straight, or gay.

@LUIS-ox1bv

2 ай бұрын

The very same happens to older, single women.

Fascinating! Could you possibly buy MICROPHONES for future interviews? The type that clip underneath the interviewee's collar to PICK UP the SPOKEN SOUND a bit more? Sorry, its the just the roar of traffic makes it hard to hear

Of course Mr Navarro commissioned that art deco masterpiece house from Frank Lloyd Wright Jr, nestling in the slopes of Los Feliz. Was a much bigger estate in the 'thirties, now just a walled pool and multi level condo style bungalow clinging to the hill. Renovated and flipped by Diane Keaton a few years ago.

@barneyronnie

2 ай бұрын

Ugh. Diane Keaton😮

Thank you for taking the time for getting the facts, rather than a made up story, and you too Allan for all the information on his real life, so interesting it was, nothing like old Hollywood movie stars!🌟🍿🎬🎭📽️

Great video ❤❤❤Love Ramon Navarro 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽 Mexican Icon. Thank for honoring him with respect. It couldn’t have been easy for him being a gay Latino in Hollywood at that time. We dont care about his lifestyle, he seemed to be a great nice man off/on screen. I wish he had a partner so he wouldn’t have been lonely to seek out companionship