That poor girl was 5’6” and 122 pounds! She was at a good weight for her height and was actually on the thin side. Her mother really damaged her.

@robertabray-enhus3198

9 ай бұрын

I was,in high school in the late 70s, at 5 foot 6 and 122 Lbs. I wasn’t too thin I was pretty curvy then actually

@marigold7250

9 ай бұрын

​@@robertabray-enhus3198 it's not just your height, it's bone structure and weight distribution. Some people look curvy at 120 and others look thinner.

@TanjiThomason

8 ай бұрын

​@@marigold7250yes, but no way was she overweight. She was pretty and her figure was fine - the clip shows her in a dress in a tiny waist. Her mom messed with her head. No way I'd ever have wanted to be famous. Garbage standards.

@HildaBolivar

8 ай бұрын

Yes highschool I was 5'5tall 136lbs pe was swimming 🙏running😁volleyball choreography 👍

@rachelconnolly2723

8 ай бұрын

Her stage mother mom was just jealous.

Scott I don’t know about other people and no one should be making you feel bad for trying your best to pronounce medical terminology. Keep up the good work. Thank you for sharing these stories and the knowledge of these people

@lotstodo

9 ай бұрын

Agree.

@naomitims4521

9 ай бұрын

Agreed love his content and appreciate him trying and thought he did a great job

@Silenced23

9 ай бұрын

I haven't seen anyone ever in the comments trying to make him feel bad about word pronunciation. Have you? Cause if not, not sure why you typed that.

@lotstodo

9 ай бұрын

@Silenced23 Scott brought it up himself. We are all being reassuring.

@dvestal7583

9 ай бұрын

Where are you now? Your voice is wonderful Scott. Don't let someone get to you for mispro- nouncing some medical terminology. Be glad that you don't have to take criticism from them more often. They were in the wrong by criticizing you. There was a diagram indicating what parts of the throat you were speaking about. Your part was easily understood.

60 years ago means her murderer is probably dead. So sad she never got justice.

@kennethcurtis1856

8 ай бұрын

There isn't justice for her. How can there be? She was murdered. Our justice system isn't designed to bring justice to the victim. It is designed to make it extremely difficult for the State to convict a person of a crime. That is why Due Process is so very fundamental to people accused of crimes.

@rickdack1197

5 ай бұрын

Whoever her murderer was or is will be dealt with by the one who sees All > GOD!

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

@@rickdack1197 Hmmm...Is your GOD a voyeur? After all, he is omnipotent, and allowed this horrible thing to happen!

@jimjam51075

Ай бұрын

​​@@curbozerboomer1773 I totally agree. Self-appointed spokespeople for their deity are just as bad as the ones for "justice". Honestly, there are two types of people. Ones that claim to speak for some greater good and those that just leave people alone. Also, the person responsible is gone. Andrew Prine left us in 2022.

@JOSEPHWINTERS-fi7zn

29 күн бұрын

JESUS CHRIST YESHUA HAMASHIACH WILL JUDGE THESE PEOPLE SOON .

I ate my lunch through Scott's autopsy reading. I will say what's disgusting about this is someone killed this young woman and got away with it, and left her remains to be discovered in the way they were, and nude no less. What kind of "person" could even do something like that? Unreal.

@arrowguy173

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. Not human.

@catherineallan1397

9 ай бұрын

The mob probably

@portiamatthews9654

9 ай бұрын

Whoever killed this beautiful young lady, wanted to embarrass her when she would be discovered. Stating this because this is always the case from detectives/ profilers who cover cases such as this. I remember her from the Andy Griffith show when she played the character Rowena and Ernest T. Bass and her enjoyed the same things.

@FRLN500

8 ай бұрын

A lot of people are capable of this type of crime. It occurs on a daily basis in the U.S.

@nathanhazlehurst484

6 ай бұрын

She wasn't well in the head some crazy stuff going on here it appears.

You could read an instruction manual with that voice and I wouldn’t be bored! I took your tour twice and loved both (the Manson tour and the death tour). You’re awesome, Scott! Keep up the good work!!!

No way she died like that from a coffee table . That's definitely strangulation.

You’re such a great storyteller. What a tragic story; I’m so sorry for her.

@Silenced23

9 ай бұрын

Not sure if it's a story. It's reality.

@cynthiahusband106

8 ай бұрын

Great presentation scott of this poor girls death RIP

I was thinking that the rapist/murderer was probably a neighbor just before you brought up Lange was her neighbor. It's very rare that a person commits suicide in the nude, especially a woman with body issues. These dark Hollywood stories are riveting, never heard about this one, thanks.

@6Haunted-Days

9 ай бұрын

Excuse me now can anyone commit suicide by strangling themselves? She wasn’t hanging. And you can’t hang yourself laying face down on a couch. Not sure why you’d even be worried by that or why it was brought AT ALL by Scott or anyone.

@zekrk504

8 ай бұрын

Wow! This is interesting Thanks!

@danielcorreard3746

8 ай бұрын

i believe the killer was andrew prine simply because she had been stalking him and his new girlfriend. and the way the killer left her to be embarrassed. completely naked. that tells me it was revenge

@grayhatjen5924

8 ай бұрын

​@@6Haunted-DaysI thought he said that law enforcement brought that up?

@grayhatjen5924

8 ай бұрын

@donaldduncan7095 That is an excellent observation that a decedent with any type of body dysmorphia would likely be clothed. One thing re: an individuals state of dress when they make their attempt. There are a whole lot of situational factors that come into play. Religiosity and/or the desire to not "leave a mess" can influence a person's decision to be clothed or not. Without writing an entire thesis here, if a person enters water, unclothed, in public, acting fast is of necessity. Generally, those individuals will put enough space between themselves and anyone else in the vicinity. I should probably clarify that due to my proximity to several large bodies of water and an international set of waterfalls (cough Niagara cough), this type is far more common than, say, in the Midwest. But yes, regarding religiosity, some people equate the event to either baptism, being made clean by water, or birth/rebirth because they are going out of the world the way they came in. (Hopefully, that makes sense. I'm about to fall asleep.) Oh! I was also completely unfamiliar with this case.

Thank you for the shout-out! I did that research over a decade ago and after watching your excellent narrative, I still remember the details as if it was yesterday. Bravo Scott!

How sad. Poor girl. Somebody got away with murder.

Meprobamate-found in Karyn’s body, as well as in a container in her apartment-was sold as Miltown, a common tranquilizer of the early ‘60s.

I’ll take rare mispronunciation from you any day of the week- your content is flawless in execution, research, and analysis. You’re a Hollywood historian with a modern touch. Tomato / tomahhhtow if someone takes issue with medical mispronunciation, my friend :)

I always wondered what happened to Andy Prine. Thank you for this report. I was 15 at the time and, for some reason, remember her name. What a sad thing that her mother pushed her to be something she wasn't. Maybe, Karen could have had a happy life if she'd been allowed to find her own place in the world.

@Gitn2it

8 ай бұрын

Karyn came from a well-known wealthy family but she didn't seem to have the looks to be considered a leading lady or the talent to be more than a "B" movie actress or character actress. She also seemed to lack self-esteem and good judgment to be successful in Hollywood.

@freddyfurrah3789

8 ай бұрын

She never would have been HAPPY.

@g.ecoleman5910

6 ай бұрын

@@Gitn2itshe looked like a poor man’s Joan Collins.

@MeMe-nw9mq

6 ай бұрын

@freddyfurrah3789…unfortunately there are a percentage of the population, scattered all around the globe, that no matter how good their lives are will never find peace or happiness. They seem to fail to realize how happiness and contentment are states that only can be found in oneself and not outside circumstances. If you are counting on someone else to make you happy and keep you happy, then you are doomed to disappointment.

Wow! Scott, thanks so much for doing a video on Karen Kupcinet. Nobody EVER talks about it! (or Dorothy Killgallon) This was a video I have been hoping you would do for a long time! Is there any more information on the phone call?

Never heard of this performer before. I don't think some of you would be as sympathetic if Andrew Prine sent her hateful mail or hid in her attic. She sounds like a woman with mental health issues who was in an environment she couldn't handle. I wish her eternal peace 🕊️.

I’ve heard of this case before. I’m surprised this is still unsolved. I wonder if she was so lonely on Thanksgiving that she brought a stranger back to her apartment who murdered her. I didn’t hear anything about sexual assault? Her mom ruined her. Very sad story. I hope she found peace.

Not too bad Scott. ..from an ICU nurse. I always love your voice for story telling 👍

Hi Troy and Scott, great team work. This would make a hell of a movie! It has everything 1960 s A Beautiful Woman Drawn to the depths of Obsession and Madnass. The Hollywood Set, Politics, and a tragic demise. With all due respect to Karyn Cookie Kupcinet. Special thanks to Scott Stanton

That was really well done. Andrew Prine had a successful career after that murder. I remember him from "The Virginian" where he seemed to be on that show a lot. I found my neighbor dead after just a day and the stench was pretty overwhelming after just a day and he was running his AC.

Scott, fantastic job. Would like to see your treatment of the similar Dorothy Kilgallen story!

@DMarqy

8 ай бұрын

The Dorothy Kilgallin story of her passing, has a strange connection to Marilyn Monroe. City of Allen on KZread has a lot of interesting information.

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

@@DMarqy Oh, please!!! Pointless rumors mean nothing...She was an alcoholic, who also abused pills. She had casually mentioned to a friend of hers that she was going to interview Jack Ruby...so naturally, folks now think she had some inside info about the JFK tragedy. So silly.

Thanks for bringing this story to light. How sad about Karen; she sounded like she had depression issues, but she was a really pretty girl.

😢 Thank you for sharing this story and for remembering this young lady prayers for the family and friends who are left to grieve this great loss!❤

@lesliegoodman-malamuth9796

9 ай бұрын

Having grown up with a weight-obsessed mother, my heart goes out to Karen. Fortunately, I set my heart (successfully) on graduating from uni, and didn’t have to make a success in show biz as Cookie K. was expected to. May her memory continue to endure as a blessing.

Scott always knows how to feed my interest in Hollywood. I'm infatuated with the golden age of Hollywood and the not so nice times. Thank you sir.

Great show. Thanks, Scott. Sad that she had to endure Tijuana and a horrible death at such a young age. She was a pretty girl who cared so much about what other people thought of her. Too bad she didn't get the chance to mature and come into her own happiness. Rest in Peace Karyn.

This is the best channel because you always find the stories that slip through the cracks.

Thank you for this story. It was so interesting. I hope Karyn is finally at peace. Her life didn’t sound great with all the emotional abuse from her Mom and her boyfriend.

@sherrilaird6535

Ай бұрын

I don't think he was her boyfriend. She was obsessed with him and he had moved on

@nwicconsultants6640

Ай бұрын

@@sherrilaird6535 Some people just don't know when or how to let go.

Thank you for this video! I worked for YEARS with Karyn's brother, Jerry Kupcinet, when he directed Judge Judy (among many other shows.) Jerry had a prolific career & I never knew this tragic story. He was a wonderful guy & as I'm sure you know, he died in 2019. But his advice, both personal and professional, are embedded in my brain. Same for his jokes and one liners, which are now probably considered NSFW! LOL Thanks again.

So sad with no answers of who or what besides strangulation. The family and friends had no closure hardest death to deal with. Thanks Scott for covering this and bringing the murder back to life,you never know it may un-surface someone’s suppressed memories and solve a cold case even if the murderer is dead now.

She was absolutely beautiful. I think it's horrible that she was emotionally abused.....I certainly would have offered to give her a supportive hug when her feelings were hurt.

Good job, guys! That poor girl. Sounds like she had some mental struggles, and a pretty horrible death. Rest easy, Karyn. I'm sure your parents loved you.

This was very interesting. To be honest, I had never heard of her. However, I learn so much thru you. You always provide excellent coverage on your topics. I always look forward to what you have planned. Happy Monday 😊 Don't ever apologize for trying to pronounce certain words. As you know, I was a medical examiner and there are many times I got tongue tied. You're not alone!

Nobody strangles themself by falling on a coffee table. Had she committed suicide, it would have been more likely by overdosing on pills like Marilyn Monroe. The person who did it was most likely someone she knew. Other than the cigarettes on the floor it doesn't appear that there was a violent struggle. This story is truly a sad one.

@gigigiseleworld

8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately many of the individuals who were friends of her's during the early 1960's , many are deceased. If anyone that was associated with her untimely death,..that person may be Dead or very elderly. ???

@carolynmartin8182

8 ай бұрын

MM didn't kill herself. RFK killed her!!!

This is the best account of Karyn's short and sad life. Her murder was more horrific than I knew. I do believe that she had inside inf on JFK's assassination. Her father was a man in the know from Chicago. He probably knew mobsters like Sam Giancano. Maybe Kup thought it was a joke and told Karyn. Karyn took it seriously.

@hildahilpert5018

8 ай бұрын

I was at James Madison Elementary when JFK was shot.My dad was at IBM School for the USAirforce.When they got the news about Kennedy, one of the men there, a native Texan came right out said LBJ did it.Other Texans have said the same thing.

Love your work. Its like having a full set of encyclopedia on who's who & what's what. Good stuff!!

Wow. I'd heard of Irv Kupcinet and Karyn Kupcinet, as well as her murder. But this connection with the Kennedy assassination...my jaw is still on the floor 😮

@dukecraig2402

9 ай бұрын

And it's nonsense.

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

@@dukecraig2402 Yup...time to pick up that jaw, and live in the real world!

thank you for doing this and at least trying to honor her and find some answers. I walked by that place so many times, and I think of her every single time I hope one day they do find the culprit.

Bravo, Scott, Bravo! You really did a wonderful job on this story. I was born in 1962, which means that I was 1-year-old when Karen & JFK were murdered. I believe Karen was murdered in order not to dispel any more info than she had on JFK’s upcoming murder, at that time.

@tjp2109

8 ай бұрын

So the telephone operator alerted authorities or anyone else around her as proof BEFORE the assassination. I think not. Phn Operator trying to get their 15 min of fame.

@FRLN500

8 ай бұрын

@@tjp2109 False assumption on your part. Her father was alerted before the assassination. FBI was alerted and supposedly passed on this info to the Secret Service. This was known by members of the Warren commission, but was discounted by the commission.

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

@@tjp2109 I have done extensive reading on the JFK death...and it is true, that many folks want to be famous, at least for a few minutes, and will indeed make up stories, etc. In the JFK case, several dozen weirdos eventually came forward as being involved!

James Ellroy wrote a piece on this case in his 1998 compilation of fiction and true crime "Crime Wave"

So from my understanding of the autopsy report, she was beaten and then strangled to death... breaking the hyoid bone is a guarantied death as well. Breaking that is by applying a very good amount of force. I imagine it was someone who had good reason to get rid of her and her erratic behaviour. Like a career minded ex-boyfriend... perhaps 🤷‍♂️

@FRLN500

8 ай бұрын

She was strangled but not beaten. The facial discoloration was caused by decomposition.

@maggiemay7294

4 ай бұрын

SPOT ON!! THE BOYFRIEND!!

@aaronmyers1982

Ай бұрын

Do you think he knew she got an abortion? Does anybody know?

Such a sad story . You both are great . Scott is always so informative and passionate about the history and it’s so clear how supportive Troy is !

This sadly reminds me of Karen Carpenter in the sense that they were both named Karen (Karyn) and they both had mothers who pushed them into loosing weight because they thought their daughters were fat. Sad and tragic the way it affected them in life.

@gregman1715

9 ай бұрын

I Was Thinking The Exacted Same Thing

@elenavonpavel-pitts3442

8 ай бұрын

My 14 year old daughter danced with the Oregon Ballet Theatre for years. A new teacher from Cuba was hired. She would duct tape girls mouths shut so they couldn't eat or drink water. She kept telling my 6' 110 lb daughter she was too fat, then made her get on her knees to apologize for some minor incident. I had no idea this was happening. I finally convinced my daughter to tell me what was going on. I was LIVID and marched into the ballet class and said if they didn't talk to me now...I'd call the police and report child abuse now. They got rid of that HORRIBLE WOMAN TEACHER...things changed and she was in ballet for many years. On her way out I stopped her and told that disgusting teacher that my daughter gets on her knees to God only...never to people like her.

@janetmiller2980

8 ай бұрын

​@@elenavonpavel-pitts3442Not sure what became of my reply, but I think It know the identity of the teacher from Cuba. Won't reveal it for liability reasons, but if they're one in the same, this woman ran studios in Tampa, Florida. Per one student, her second studio had no A C. In the middle of Florida?! What?! Her students were lean, and she was associated with remarks like "Fat people don't look good in tutus." I gave up ballet, even bar stretches, and am now a happy practitioner of Qi Gong meditation.

These are my favorite kinds of videos. I love them all but these remind me of when I first discovered the website and read about deaths for hours… the best research.

@tdpooh1972

9 ай бұрын

I so agree!! I used to be obsessed with the website too and would read the stories for hours. For me, I think it's Scott's personality that made me love it. His little sarcastic, yet hilarious comments made me laugh so much!!

This story is so interesting-thank you, Scott. Your content is always excellent.

Scott I’ve been in the medical field since 99 (Cardiology) and there still lots of medical words mostly medications I can not pronounce correctly lol. No need to apologize! Love your channel. Hope you and Troy have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Love you guys!

I enjoyed this a lot but I wish you had spoken more about what the operator at the beginning of the story says she heard. That said, her dad was so distraught and determined to find out what happened I think he would have mentioned it to somebody if he thought his daughter was killed because he had told her something about the JFK assassination.

Scott… you have always been my “go-to-guy” for everything Hollywood. ❤. You are respectful and full of fascinating facts. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!!!!

Thanks Scott, another fascinating story. Very sad. A sad girl that was looking for a life, but never found it.

Subscribed! Love the care & realistic discussions of these cases. Even having difficultly pronouncing names, no fancy editing, really makes me appreciate your channel & the uniqueness of how KZread should be. Thank you both for being an interesting, engaging & informative channel. Being kind to the victims and having respect for the dead is refreshing as well. Sending aloha & excited to see your channel grow!

Wow, what a sad and short life she had. Very interesting story, made all the better by your narration. Thank you for sharing.

I’m a medical professional. Scott, you did REALLY well with your pronunciation of medical terminology. The hyoid bone can only be broken (as a rule of thumb) by manual strangulation. Even a ligature wouldn’t break it. The ligature would have to be really strong at depth and thick to cause such a trauma. It would need to be broken by such a depth not created by anything other than a humans hands. Think Shannon Watts, her hyoid bone was broken so badly by C Watts xxx The fact that she was in advanced stages of decomposition could also point to (just a theory) someone placing her on the couch days after her death, however if any liquification, skin and other body fluids were found inside the couch hints that she probably died there. Hope this helps a little ❤❤❤

Your stories are fantastic! So well researched with facts that are so interesting. Please keep these cases coming.

If you had not mentioned the Andy Griffith show, I wouldn’t have recognized her , but did remember her in a “feudin” parent episode. You do outstanding content. Thanks

@crush41gb

9 ай бұрын

A Feud is a Feud as Hannah Carter (credited Tammy Windsor). That's the only place I believe I knew her from. Such a sad story. Also reminded me of Dorothy Kilgallen.

@stevesutherland6232

9 ай бұрын

@@crush41gb ..yes that’s the one, Agee very sad.

@DearlyDepartedTours

9 ай бұрын

I watched that episode. I don’t think that was Karyn. It really doesn’t look like her. They also say Karyn was in the original Little Shop of Horrors film. I don’t think she is.

@crush41gb

9 ай бұрын

@DearlyDepartedTours I know.. looking at it I don't believe it's her either. I don't know how that got mixed up or if she ever actually used that alias. Great video and informative by the by, Kind Sir! Thank you for all you do.

@stevesutherland6232

9 ай бұрын

@@DearlyDepartedTours …yeah great point, I went back and looked at a few scenes and it doesn’t much look like her. …big fan of all your videos and content. Thanks.

Well, someone strangled her, and covered her mouth. You can deduce this from the autopsy findings. The damage to her mouth, and the hyoid bone. Did the autopsy findings say she had petechiae? It’s the blood vessels breaking from pressure around the eye. This too is a good indicator of strangulation. Someone definitely wanted her dead, and I can’t imagine how frightened she must have been. Terrible. Poor girl.

@summersojourner

6 ай бұрын

There was some mention of the sclera, the whites of the eye. But I don’t recall the word petechiae.

Brilliant work as always, Scott! I could listen and watch you all day long! Thank you for sharing all these information with us! Happy Holidays!

RIP Karyn🌹How sad this hasn’t been solved and her family never got Justice. In today’s strangulation cases there is a way to get fingerprints & skin cells for dna testing on the surface of the decedents throat in certain cases. It’s a shame with todays forensics this case might have been solved. Thank you Scott,I do remember that someone had said the president was shot a day before he was , I just never knew the whole story.

@McRambleOn

9 ай бұрын

I think the semen would have prob. been all they needed on this one though… sounds like there was enough of it 😣based on the gross description in autopsy.

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

@@McRambleOn No mention of semen was given.

New subscriber RN for 39yrs plus a love for old Hollywood type life, people and mysteries. Great job

When I was a kid, Kup could be found at the Billy Goat Tavern with his drinking buddies Jack Brickhouse & Mike Royko. Sometimes I would see him at the Drake Hotel, usually around the holidays. He was always willing to stop and chat - usually about the Bears or Cubs woes.....

Your delivery of this delicate info is very respectful. ❤

The drug is a early anti-anxiety agent commonly called miltown the original mother’s little helper can cause death in high doses >12g

From Chicago, I remember her father’s articles. He was very well known and when he passed it was a big deal.

She was a natural beauty,these " Mothers" (narcs) destroying their kids 😢

What a fascinating story. I had never heard it before, and it has a lot of strange aspects. This was a very compelling video -- thanks!

Hey Scott, very interesting video. The Government did a good tying up loose ends with regards to the JFK Murder. I was in 1st grade and remember that day we'll, it was a rainy day in NorCal Bay Area..... Coming up on 60 years, I was 6 & now 66. Happy Holidays to you & yours from me & mine Buddy.

I met Irv Kupcinet in Chicago where I was a policeman. Years later I met actor, Andrew Prine. Kup was convinced Prine murdered his daughter but later changed his mind.

In high school I weighed 138 lbs. I was 5'/4. I felt fat. Of course there was Twiggy, the very thin model. We wore mini skirts. My best friend wore a size 3. I wore size 9-11. I wish I weighed what I weighed back then.

HEIGHT/ WEIGHT FIGURES DON’T MATTER- BODY SHAMING IS ALWAYS WRONG. No need for people to defend themselves with height/weight figures to prove that boding shaming discrimination is wrong. Discriminating against people on account of their bodies is wrong. Period. So sad she had to go through judgement during her life.

Being from Chicago I remember Kup real well but had no idea his daughter had been murdered. Thanks for her story being told here

So fascinating. I’ve never heard of her. Thanks, Scott!

I have never heard about this story. Prayers for her and her family. She was very pretty. Love your channel always. On a side note, your documentary 6 degrees of Helter Skelter is in my top 3 favorite documentaries about Manson and his victims. It was a different way of approaching the subject which I loved. I learned a lot I didn't know beforehand. I can't wait for you to open another museum. I will definitely make the trip to see it.

Great job Scott! Thank you for this one, blessings 🙏🏻

Thank You Scott for another great video. May Karyn RIP... such a tragic end.

I think she was absolutely beautiful. Acting was very natural from what I’ve seen. It’s so sad that she felt she had to be so hung up on a man that she was willing to ruin hers. Such a tragic story.

Thank you!!! I was trying to look her up yesterday looking at an old video you had done.

Being from Chicago I have vivid memories of Kup. Everyone read him and everyone knew who he was. Yet somehow I had no Idea his daughter was murdered????

Her acting was actually really good!! I loved her expressions!

I have spoken to her friends in Chicago area and visit her at Memorial Park. She was very troubled. Most everyone believes this was suicide

In his book on the JFK assassination titled 'Crossfire', author Jim Marrs listed the unexplained (or not fully explained) deaths of people related to the JFK assassination. Karen Kupcinet was one of them. Although I don't think Marrs conclusively pinned the deaths on JFK assassination conclusively - some hearsay. But that being said the amount of people who died (naturally or otherwise) related to the JFK assassination in a span of a decade or more is noteworthy.

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

Nope...those deaths have been explained...nothing extraordinary about any of those deaths!

I saw Irv Kupcinet about a year or two before he passed...early 2000s. Coincidentally about the time I started following the old FindADeath site, lol! I was walking on State St. in downtown Chicago and he was being pushed by an assistant in a wheelchair down the sidewalk. He was dressed nicely in a sport coat and had those big tinted glasses..really unmistakable, but he looked pretty unwell. I never knew the full story about what happened to Karyn...just awful and sad. Thanks for sharing her story, Scott.

Love ❤️ all the videos.. Thanks 🙏 for all you do

Scott, I've only heard this story about Karyn told one time on one channel. Let me tell you in comparison to yours, you can't even compare. You've done a beautiful job here. And tons more information. I had taken notes on her story let me tell you they are totally lacking after seeing your story. Thanks.

@DearlyDepartedTours

9 ай бұрын

Thank you, Pippadot!

Thanks for posting. This poor woman deserved the dignity of the well-meaning amongst us, the public, understanding the depression and hurt, the mental struggles, so that if any one of us can rescue just ONE poor soul from a lonely death from the hurt of depression....then this sad story will have been worth it.

Fascinating presentation. Well done. Author Mark Shaw has written two books on the murder of Dorothy Kilgallen ("The reporter who knew too much", and "Fighting for Justice"). Also, you might want to read the works of James Fetzer on the JFK murder. These sources may help give more perspective to Karyn's death .

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

Those sources are full of speculation, not facts. Read "Reclaiming History"-by the late Vincent Bugliosi, a very accomplished LA prosecutor...the guy who put Manson away. His 1700 page analysis of the death of JFK answers all questions-if you really want to know. He found 15 pieces of Hard Evidence, and 34 pieces of incriminating evidence, against Oswald. End of story.

Scott, don't know if youll see this but, id love to hear your voice falling asleep, would you consider having a channel like that if they're were enough intrest? You're the best Scott, i adore you and love what you do, you're channel is in my top 3.

Very interesting story! Thanks Scott.

Rest in peace Ms. Kupcinet, I always enjoyed watching your performances and you are not forgotten.

Very interesting story. Thank you Scott

I first learned of this case in the 80s, from a Vegas showgirl who had known Karyn in LA years earlier, and had little good to say about her. She said that Karyn hung around with some very unsavory characters, and it didn't surprise her at all to hear she'd been murdered.

Your pronunciations are great! Not everyone took medical terminology but you break things down logically and thoughtfully.

4:37 Actress Mary Wickes (tall lady here) and Lucille Ball were 2 of the last people to visit Vivian Vance before she died in AUG. 1979 (where were YOU in Aug. 1979?) . They were both weeping on the car ride home as they knew that they would never see her again. This was from Viv's biography book. A must read!

@DearlyDepartedTours

9 ай бұрын

Weeping and SMOKING all the way home.

@WillChandlerFLD120

9 ай бұрын

​@@DearlyDepartedTours facts my grandfathers Lincoln had 6 ashtrays 5 lighters ....😊

@LannieLord

9 ай бұрын

SEARCH on here : Trying to Call Lucille Ball in the Hospital . Go to 25:53 ; Billy West (voice over actor) does the funniest impersonation of OLD Lucy that you will ever hear ! Much better than when Martin Short did her on the Tonight Show. @@DearlyDepartedTours

Another great one. I enjoyed your stories for many years. I can tell you put work into them.

Always great story telling, Scott

Penn Jones, in his 1967 book Forgive My Grief, Volume 2 (p. 20-21), implied that the woman who made the call may have been actress Karyn Kupcinet, daughter of Irv Kupcinet, a columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times. Irv was allegedly an acquaintance of Jack Ruby. Miss Kupcinet was murdered days after the JFK assassination. Jones wrote: A few days before the assassination, Karyn Kupcinet, 23, was trying to place a long distance telephone call from the Los Angeles area. According to reports, the long distance operator heard Miss Kupcinet scream into the telephone that President Kennedy was going to be killed. Two days after the assassination, Miss Kupcinet was found murdered in her apartment. The case has never been solved. Yet another of those many strange coincidences: Irv Kupcinet and Jack Ruby grew up and were acquainted with each other in the same neighborhood in Chicago. Jones compared the story of Kupcinet above to the Oxnard call and referred to it as “approximately the same story as we have on Miss Kupcinet.” The author, however, did not provide a source for his claim regarding Karyn Kupcinet making a call about the assassination of President Kennedy. Additionally, the details provided - while on the surface are similar to the Oxnard call - also conflict in some aspects. Jones stated that Kupcinet made her call “a few days” before the assassination, while the Oxnard call took place only minutes beforehand. The author also wrote that Miss Kupcinet was heard screaming into the phone, while the operators in Oxnard said that the woman on the line was whispering. Finally, Kupcinet was not found “two days later” but nearly a week after JFK’s assassination. In 1992, Irv Kupcinet blasted the association of his daughter’s death with the JFK assassination, calling it an “outrage” and writing that the book, “…left the impression that some on the list may have been killed to silence them because of knowledge of the assassination. Nothing could be further from the truth in my daughter’s case.” In Glamour Jungle, writer James Ellroy noted that Kupcinet had gone to Palm Springs the night of the assassination with three others, and stayed there for two days - without mentioning prior knowledge of JFK’s assassination. Some critics have posed the question why Irv Kupcinet himself was not silenced, since he would have been the person to relay this information to his daughter. 2013 Story Scripps Howard News Service revisited the mysterious call on the 50th anniversary of Kennedy’s death. The story noted that before the Dallas trip, other Kennedy events had been canceled due to death threats. Conclusion The FBI confirmed that a woman from Oxnard, California told telephone operators minutes before the assassination of John F. Kennedy that, “The President is going to be killed.” The woman’s mental state was questioned, and the call was deemed untraceable. Despite this, the call has been the subject of fascination and conspiracy theories for decades. Were these simply the ramblings of a disturbed person, or a warning from someone who was privy to inside information? Over 50 years later, it is doubtful this mystery will ever be solved. wafflesatnoon.com/mysterious-kennedy-phone-call/

@curbozerboomer1773

Ай бұрын

Interesting info...but there were several people who claimed to have had knowledge of the upcoming shooting of JFK.

Love you're channel you are so sweet and funny. Keep them coming

If it’s slightly warm inside a house with no air-conditioning, the body start to decompose very quickly

Based upon this autopsy report, she had been dead for a few days. Heat will accelerate decomposition and at the same time cold will hinder decomposition. She likely died on that Wednesday, the last day she was seen. If she fought back and most likely people do as long as they are not incapacitated or physically restrained, she could very well have DNA underneath her fingernails. Hands and the head are typically the most well preserved if the body was embalmed. Fingernails due to being made of keratin take a long time to decompose. Likely, as long as she was embalmed well, if her body was exhumed and as long as the fingernails are still in tact, there could easily be DNA underneath those fingernails.

What a sad story. It's like she was dealing with ptsd from the boyfriend's rejection and the termination😔 That's a lot to deal with. However I do believe she was murdered and her death was made to look like a suicide🙄 hence the note. Makes no sense at all. So sad.

I think you have the hang of it. You are working hard to get all of this up on KZread. Thanks!

Mt Elliott and Outer Drive love the work you do. This neighborhood is so quiet and abandoned. I love living here.

Thank you for this episode.

Very interesting, Scott. Thank you for sharing