Marvel Snap RETREAT Guide! (Full Breakdown)
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I really go in-depth with Retreating and EVERYTHING you need to think about to become a retreating pro. It's a lot.
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 Retreat Guide When Should You Retreat
01:16 Percentages are Bait
02:24 Understand the Meta
03:45 How do you win/lose?
06:20 Always assume answers/big combos
07:18 Telegraphed Decks are risky
08:46 Play around their Best Plays
09:53 Things to consider for Retreating
14:50 Playing into Loss Scenarios
16:57 Take Advantage of Surprise Cards
17:48 You CAN leave after Snapping
18:40 You don't have to think about retreat until Snaps
20:07 If you don't have strong plays turn 6, be careful
21:27 Be careful around RNG Locations
23:07 Disadvantage early? Time to leave
23:24 No Shame about retreating
24:42 Double Check Your Math
25:44 Retreating Now vs Retreating Later
Пікірлер: 125
I love seeing Collins embrace the “How ya doin’” intro
@brrrrrrrrrrrk
Жыл бұрын
Honestly wasn't gonna click until I saw the hand gesture
Thanks man! I used your tips and retreated my 10 games out of 10, it was awesome! 🤣
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Fantastic!
@gearsighted
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Sounds like every time I try to take my negative deck for a spin 😅
This is not a retreat guide, this is life advice. Excellent content Collins!
I watch every video just to hear him say "how you doin" makes my day instantly better
"If both you are staying in, one of you is wrong!" what a great quote!
I have too say, you sir are very clear and creating great content, keep it up, subbed
Great breakdown, thanks Collins
Everytime I see you post I snap on your videos keep up the great content.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Thanks! Will do! We chugging along
@nicholasjh1
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Same. Educated Collins = don't retreat.
I love your videos and strategy breakdowns! This one in particular was very insightful for me, as I do have a hard time retreating when I feel like I have a chance (but it’s a small rng one). Keep up the great work, man!
Fantastic. Thanks for making this. I’ll be retreating more often now
Always nice seeing your favorite snap content creator posting 👍
this really sums up what i think has been sliding downhill fast about snap, its all about leaving.. and leaving, and leaving, and waiting for that 8cube hand. it isnt satisfying gameplay to constantly see retreat even if you win them.
Excellent job as always
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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I appreciate that
This advice is golden
listening on repeat for the next few ranks... ty for the video mate
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Glad you enjoyed!
@Strandsx
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another season another session listening to this video. another infinite ! thanks mate!
I made it to infinite my first month playing. Thanks to all your other videos. This video helped me understand everything I'm doing right or wrong. All of your videos have made me a better player.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Nice work!
Love the "how ya doin" at the start. Classic! Also great content
The algorithm knows what I want. First video on my feed 🙌🏻
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Glad to hear it!
Another great topic. Thanks for your hard work.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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My pleasure!
Another excellent video.
The GOAT of SNAP with another divine message
Great video. I dig your more laid-back presentation style - not everyone on KZread needs to shout and crank their personality to 12.
Thank you for this guide. I have to admit, I have developed a bad habit of gambling for RNG , and completely ignoring the option to retreat, costing me a bunch of cubes. I will will definitely watch out for all the signs in this guide to let go and to retreat and when and stop bleeding cubes 😭
Really love your content Collins, please keep it up my good sir
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Thanks, will do!
Thanks man
Bro i love your vids and energy.
Thx for the tips. They are very useful
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Happy to help!
lately I've turned into the Daredevil snapper, this makes it easier for me to know if I should snap or retreat. But I don't think this will be able to improve my game. Thanks for the video, its really help me improving my game.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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What Kind of Snapper are YOU! Daredevil EZ
" the knowledge you attain from losing, will help you in the long run". This is precisely why I don't like content creators that only show them winning every single game such as Jeff Hoogland. Molt now shows his wins and losses and I learn much more from talking about what the correct play was or what could have been done differently rather than just watching someone win game after game after game.
Hey love your content. Really high value. I'm looking a deck to climb to 90 without. Do you have suggestions? Also if I can give you a tip. Most snap creators when doing a deck guide video don't talk about when to snap with the deck. I think is invaluable knowledge that most videos are lacking. If you ever do some deck guides you could take this angle.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Can't really put when to snap in a deck guide, you make it extremely easy for your opponents. LUL Don't have deck suggestions after a new meta, I need like a couple weeks to learn it so yeah gonna be a while.
Dude...next level content here. Do when to Snap next!!!
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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I already have a snapping guide. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y2GnrshtacjVYZc.html
@drbingogh
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@@EducatedCollinsSnap I'm not a smart man. /ForestGumpVoice
GOAT
How you doinggggggg but with 10k subs. Congrats dude
Been burnt so many times I pretty much always retreat when my opponent snaps now. My "come from behind" wins are far outweighed by the straight losses. My main issue is that I am rarely confident enough to snap prior to turn 6, so my wins are all for one or two cubes. Not much progression happening here!
@JamestheKilljoy
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Stop leaving just because they snap. It is better to leave turn 6 and lose 2 cubes after they prove they have a winning setup than to constantly leave JUST because they snapped. If your game state looks awful, yeah peace out. Otherwise, make them prove they are not just over confident or bluffing. Especially when you are below r90, people snap when they shouldn't all the time
@hermanbloom
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@JamestheKilljoy I even got to the point of listing what happened after staying in when someone snapped. I lost the last 10 games. Could be a run of bad rng but it bugged me to the point I wasn't enjoying the game. Much happier just retreating and (very) slowly climbing.
@JamestheKilljoy
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@@hermanbloom to be honest, as someone who has hit Infinite rank 3 months in a row, it isn't a big deal. The real fun is found in building your own deck, upgrading your favorite cards, and trying out the new ones you get. If it is stressing you out that you are not hitting infinite, I would stop caring about it if you can. Besides, you make better decisions and win more when you are not getting tilted. So, yeah if retreating from an early snap helps you not tilt, maybe that is better for you
@hermanbloom
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@JamestheKilljoy yeah for sure, a lot has to do with my brain and its lack of ability to read what the opponent has and over estimate my cards. Tried it again tonight, 8 rounds where the opponent snapped before turn 6 and I stayed in. Lost all of them. Running Dino Darkhawk deck so it's not a bad deck, just user error. But it happens so regularly I am better off just going slow and steady, and getting my nice Mystique variant levelled up. That's the fun for me for the moment.
@JamestheKilljoy
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@@hermanbloom I Love Domino and just got a new variant im upgrading. It is always my mission to use her to rank to Infinite every season
One of the biggest plays i usually pull off is to play a 12+ power card to bait shang chi only to Arnim Zola that card, a lot of players fall into that trap. Also Heimdall does this.
you forgot the most important rule, ALWAYS snap on ego location!
my favourite snapping times where with my zero+invisible woman because my opponents constantly snapped after dropping cosmo on invisible woman. Also i lost count of how many cubes i got by insta snapping after the peak reveals no matter how good it was for me.
@humanaku9135
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This is a great video. What's hard for me is that I can ALWAYS imagine a scenario where I can lose. Maybe I lose to an Aero, or Magneto, or Shang-Chi, or Dr. Doom. It feels like there are so many possible ways my opponent can destroy me. How do you create a situation where you are guaranteed to win?
As a new player speaking to other potential new players if you see red skull come down expect a Arnim Zola or a taskmaster to follow. Lost countless games to that combo because I convinced myself I could win and refused to accept a scenario where I could lose. Don't be stubborn.
I swear after this video has come out all of my opponents are insta retreating as soon as anything out of their favour happens, i’m getting a consistent 1cube/game
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Yeah I mean, I'm making the game harder for everyone LUL
Mr Collins preaching the gospel of Han Solo. "Never tell me the odds".
Mandatory watch for anyone seriously wanting to climb to Infinite.
I’ve won over 200 cubes today and gained 20 ranks (51 > 71) today using thanos lockjaw. I think some of my opponents need to watch this video because they snap on turn 6 when i’m losing 1 lane and they forget I can play a 21 thanos and a stone into my lockjaw lane. It’s crazy how many games my opponents have lost to not retreating. I broke collins rule by snapping turn 1 instead of 2 whenever lockjaw or quintet + 2 stones / mindstone.
What's generally the best practice when you are in a situation where you know exactly what they have and it's basically a 50/50 toss up on winning 4 cubes or losing 2. It's hard for me to retreat in those situations because I have won the toss up just as much as I have lost them.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Usually it’s better to stick around because you guarantee the two cube loss if you retreat where if you stick around you break even.
Say I complete Pool 3, I start getting more tokens in boxes. An update drops, some Pool 4 cards become Pool 3, and I don’t own them, do I stop getting increased tokens from boxes?
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Yes, until you get all the pool 3 cards again.
How do you play around aero? Or what decks counter aero? I;m a bit irritated how often i lose to this brainless card at infinite. Great video btw!
@chanzijun5247
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Possible answers: 1) flood your board 2) fight for priority on turn 5 to play ur tech cards (aero, shang chi etc) 3) cosmo a lane that you have only 1-2 cards 4) use decks with cards that don't care about their position (eg Dr Doom, buff cards like patriot, captain marvel/vision)
Good guide and good points, but I gotta disagree hard on "percentages are bait". Perfecting Snaps & retreats is literally a math problem that can be calculated with expected value (EV) percentages. Granted, the calculations are super complex and you don't have time to do them all within a game. But familiarizing yourself with those numbers (in between games or in VoD reviews) is super useful to improve the accuracy of your in-game instincts. It's akin to practicing with a solver in Poker
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Fair enough! If it helps you go for it. Just think you can realistically know exactly what people are going to play so then there’s no percentage at all.
@freshlobster
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@@EducatedCollinsSnap mhm I get what you're saying, but "I can't know the exact %" is very different from "There is no %" to work with. Anyway, too deep of a topic for youtube comments I guess :D maybe i should make a video on game theory some day. Good job on the guides either way 👍
For your videos do I watch them from oldest to newest? Feels like I’m enrolled in Marvel Snap 101 taught by Professor Collins😊
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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You can watch them in whatever order but the earlier long form videos are prob “more important” and maybe they build a little on each other but they should standalone
Also at 70 assume your opponent is good, at 80+ is great never, ever underestimate your opponent.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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I underestimate all my opponents until they show otherwise personally but I respect that
Collins, you're fucking amazing
I have an idea for a video or at least a question. I get to level 60-70 each month, and that's where my skill stops. I am thinking of creating an Agatha deck that I can just afk with little thought to collect season cubes. I underestand I'll lose ratings, but I am a F2P and I think the season caches could add up for extra gold and credits to help me progress through collection levels. I'd love to hear your thoughts on th is. Also, thankst for this video, it was super helpful as always.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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It’s possible. People do that already, they end up having a 10-20% win rate. Not sure if you want to automate it though, cause not sure what second dinners stance on it is but you could do that. But your internal mmr will suffer and J don’t know how that will affect things overall.
@Arosah
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I want to do the same thing but I don't have Agatha yet 🥲
@DiabeticGameGuy
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@@Arosah I got super lucky pulling her as one of my early pool 3 cards. I thought she would be far better than she is. She loses a lot, but it's amazing to just have her play the games while I press next on my phone watching netflix.
@Arosah
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@@DiabeticGameGuy Yeah she sucks a lot, but as you said, you can farm when you are watching TV Show or when you do something else 👍 She is very good when you need to farm the season pass for extra credit, boosters and possibly a bonus variant hehe 😄
I have never climbed to infinite, but each season I have climbed higher than the one before. My highest level is 72, but this season, I can't get higher than 41-42. I have spent most of my climb around 37-39 which below where I even started. What changed this season to make the climb harder? I love your videos!
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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You are still facing the same strong players that you were playing at 72 last season, so the game encourages you to have a 50% win rate so technically you're not suppose to climb after a few seasons. It's a little rough
@chabelo7289
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Thats because the players you faced before learned the game quicker and better than you, they are winning and you are losing, thats why they are leaving you in lower ranks than before, so you need to try and figure out the things that you think you are lacking and work on them. Maybe you are not retreating appropriately, maybe you are not understanding the meta, maybe you are not snapping at the right times, etc.
Can you rank the hardest deck to pilot? Like hardest to easiest to pilot?
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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No it’s too subjective haha
@chabelo7289
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i dont know if its the hardest, but one of the hardest to pilot its lockjaw. A lot of people think its just only RNG, but no, the deck needs to be played correctly even with all the RNG components to make that RNG be more on your side. And the easiest ones are destroyer and kazoo. They just play the same patterns every turn.
I agree with all this but the more I play the more I grow to dislike the cubes system, or maybe it's because of the matchmaking. Every game becomes a retreat fest, sometimes I stay when it's 50/50 cause it's for 2 cubes. I am only rank 53 and it's just not very enjoyable to almost never finish a game. They know I won, I know they won or I snap before a counter and get 2 cubes, hurrah!
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Yeah you gotta get used to never playing out matches, it’s a different type of card game than the general standard.
@Facusblues
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I agree with you. I love this game but I don't like the cube system at all, I wish it was like literally every other card game in that regard, but they wanted to do something unique I guess... Sad thing is they'll never change it :( I will keep playing it anyways but man it could have been so much better
@aSyphodias
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@@Facusblues I think if they at least fix matchmaking to be more rank based rather than mmr it might improve things. Being at rank 50 and facing infinite players that tank their mmr because they can't go down in rank is rough. I don't have the time to grind that much, I just started playing because I became a father and it was one of the few games that you can get in the few minutes of spare time :D
Algo buff
how often you retreat? like in average how many game in 10 game?
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Well that depends on deck list and matchups and can change from day to day.
@fansyyyyy
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@@EducatedCollinsSnap what about your worst expenrience? lol
My instincts always say retreat. But I enjoy the pain of losing 4 cubes
I'm rewatching sensai
Yes! DOUBLE CHECK YOUR MATH! Trust me! Hahaha
Who thinks Shang Chi needs a nerf? Either make it 4-1 or cost 5. Gets too much value and the 3 power it has allows it to win lanes more than it should
@shadearca
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No he does not need a nerf. Shang Chi is a tech card that polices the format like killmonger does for zoo strategies (although zoo is generally underpowered at the moment, except Thanos zoo) so the game does not devolve into whoever slams the biggest thing wins. Right now he is overrepresented because go-wide strategies get eaten up by Shuri and Galactus and are underperforming in general.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Think shang chi is fine, but the situation that makes shang chi feel necessary in a lot of decks is what I would be looking at
I think it is a really bad idea to leave just because someone snapped you. If you have a meh hand, then yeah, peace out. Otherwise, I'd rather lose 2 cubes retreating on turn 6 to make them prove they had the win setup than run away early because they intimidated me
Is the matchmaking completely Broken? (I dont mean bot on high MMR) Im stucked on rank 92 for days and im 3000CL its a fucking hell, and im facing against beta players and people Who is 6000CL+ (i know because he is a popular youtuber) what can i do to hit infinite? 😭😭😭 Sorry for complaining too much but is frustrating to me facing POOL 5 decks
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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The matchmaking is technically designed to give you a 50% win rate. Even after a reset so it will just get harder and harder to climb. Yeah if your internal mmr is high, you’re going to be fighting crazy opponents regardless.
First!
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Hope you're doing well Showme!
If you see a bunny in a cave, run away!!!
Maybe it’s just me but playing like this feels really boring??!! It’s like… only play if u know u can do your planned big play… and repeat this over and over again. Anything else u just leave cause it’s not worth taking the chances. Feels way too repetitive and boring.. I guess I would rather have fun and don’t care about ranking.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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Yeah this is for getting the most climbing out of the game, it's has nothing to do with fun or whatnot haha
@fabricio3185
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@@EducatedCollinsSnap yeah I get it. It is very informative for sure as I know many players focus on reaching infinity and get frustrated with it. It’s just that I am not sure I am willing to sacrifice the fun factor for it lol but that’s me.
Sorry but I disagree, percentages are fundamental. I do think people tend to overestimate their percentages but if you make a correct assessment they are literally GTO
This is the most depressing video I ever saw.
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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RETREAT!!! RETREAT!
@mfsars1075
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@@EducatedCollinsSnapAAARGH
Do you have a discord?
@EducatedCollinsSnap
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discord.gg/YPZsXz8
@centurion2314
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@@EducatedCollinsSnap thank you, also you should put it in your channel bio or descriptions so other people can find it easier. Love the content
I have Shang Chi in my Patriot deck because of EC, and it's been so op! Always have a surprise card 😲
I fail at step one as I can't easily imagine a scenario where I lose. I've watched too many marvel movies where they come from behind (that's what she said) and win.