it seems that Luther would have rejected John Macarthur, who is big on obedience

so by "law" do you mean the sum total of all the commands in scripture?

@RyanReevesM

8 жыл бұрын

+Nathan Soper // Hey there. In this case, yes, that is the language used by folks in this century (and ever since, when talking the 3 uses of the Law).

@nsoper19

8 жыл бұрын

+Ryan Reeves thanks Ryan

@robs7250

7 жыл бұрын

Ryan Reeves Therefore, how should the WCF and LBCF be interpreted when they claim that ceremonial and civil law are not biding upon Christians? I am very doubtful on this very issue. I'd really like help in this.

@RyanReevesM

7 жыл бұрын

That issue is a different issue, is probably the reason. It's frustrating because there are two 'numbers of the Law' that are discussed. One is how God's moral commandments are to be used/not used by Christians ('3rd Use of the Law'). The issue you raise is also a numbering, but it has to do with those issues that are no longer part of Christian observance (dietary laws, for example). In this sense, the issues are the same, only the '3rd Use of the Law' is a question about justification and sanctification, not Jewish-Christian observance. All would agree, Lutheran or not, the ceremonial law is non-binding.

@robs7250

7 жыл бұрын

Ryan Reeves Thanks for the response, but I still don't get the real answer I'm looking for. I mean, you've said that ceremonial law, whether you are Lutheran, calvinist, etc, is not binding, what about civil law? I think it is the same answer: not binding. But my question arising is: the third use of the Law is an obedience to what Law? The 613? The 10 commandments? Which Law is the christian to obey?

I am corralled. Next .

I find it kind of funny that people would ask themselves whether or not the Bible is applicable to secular legal systems. It's essentially a disquisition on how to live life well and be a good person, with a great deal of religious elements included. Really, it's a religion based on how to be a good person and live a good life. It touches thoroughly on law, philosophy, history, mythology, magic, military theory, sociology, societal structure, and economics. If you're interested in the last one, look into the teachings of the economist Dave Ramsey. He sometimes gives secular applications of biblical scripture for the purposes of one's personal finance.

Okay, so the Chik-fil-A thing--first, Sunday is not the commandment. It was the seventh day to be remembered and kept. And if I were to be driving home from "church" and got hungry, I'd go home in order to keep the remainder of the commandment--that neither a maidservant or a bondslave work either. This is the part that really kills me about Roman Christianity--they'll fight to the death over "Sunday" and then not even keep that! Second, I distinguish (or possibly "rightly divide") the Word into the covenant (Ex 19:5-24:12) tablets that resided in the Ark OF THE COVENANT and the Levitical Law, the handwriting of Moses which abode outside the Ark of the Covenant. Two uses of the Law: To love YHVH with all my heart, mind, soul and strength, and to love my neighbor as myself. I GET to keep the commandments. It's a privilege. Luther was inaccurate: 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.

@RyanReevesM

9 жыл бұрын

Jenna Caruthers // Been a long time since I've seen that many angry quotation marks.

@jenna2431

9 жыл бұрын

Ryan Reeves Or they might just be "passionate" "quotation marks." :)

@RyanReevesM

9 жыл бұрын

Jenna Caruthers :)

@jonathandoe1367

7 жыл бұрын

Anger is a kind of passion, I suppose?

He didn't like JCs brother James.. And as the roman did tried claim James wasn't his brother..also rejected 1john5:7-8 insertion but wasps put it back into scripture as Erasmus did. "Paulianity" usurped JC and James it seems...LOL.

@thenowchurch6419

7 жыл бұрын

mitvah golem. Exactly. Paulianity is rampant today.