Rev. Jordan Cooper explains the three uses, or functions, of God's law in the life of the Christian.
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@josuepizarro57214 жыл бұрын
This is great!
@Chirhopher5 жыл бұрын
Grace, Peace, n LOVE in The HOLY KING YHWH YESHUA. Great job; Solí DÉO Gloría!!!✝!!!
@tmeister028 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video. Thanks it helped me understand the three uses a lot better. What specific type of Lutheran are you?
@lutheranshorts
2 жыл бұрын
He is in the AALC
@breadmcdonald3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dr. Jordan! I want to preface this with I'm being completely genuine in my curiosity and questioning here. I'm not coming from a stance of trying to point out that you're wrong, but a stance of I'm trying to make sure I'm believing what is true. Are Christians still considered sinners? I know it might seem comical, but I'm sooooo battling with this and I'm tired. I truly want to understand what is the truth and why. I'm still convinced that we are not considered sinners from what I was taught, and what I genuinely researched. Of course I'm now in a place where I'm doubting my "research" and now I want to bring up my points, I guess if I had to call them that. I'm very lost and confused in my faith right now, so this is why I'm sort of throwing out a desperate comment here. So you say that Christians will always be sinners until we die. And that Romans 7 talks about how Paul struggled with sin and that even he struggled with his sin nature. From what I read, it appears to me that AFTER Paul talks about the great struggle and failures of his in the battle with sin and his flesh, he ends it with saying, "Oh wretched man I am, who can free me from this body?" So this is Paul saying who can free him from that battle of sin and his flesh/sinful nature, and he answers it by saying by God through Jesus Christ. So it appears that there IS a freedom from that, no? And that's where I feel like I might be misinterpreting it. And Romans 8 also repeats his statement of freedom and the entire chapter is pretty packed with valuable stuff that I almost want to say if you could maybe address the chapter? But I'll post a few specific verses: Romans 8:2-4 Romans 8:9 Okay, onto more of my reasoning why I don't believe we are sinners anymore, which I want to preface that Christians would not be considered sinners because of Jesus Christ and him alone. Not because of what I do or will do or have done or anything. Purely because of Him. Immediate one that is easy for me to mention is the sinful nature that you mentioned. First clarification would be defining the sinful nature maybe? Just a thought. Okay, so sinful nature. There's multiple passages in the bible that specifically mention that its been crucified with Christ. -Romans 6:6 (and ill preface that I believe that Romans 7 is Paul talking about his old past life when he talks about his struggle with sin and the sinful nature. Which is another guess of mine of where I'm misinterpreting again.) -Galatians 2:20; 5:18; 5:24 -Colossians 2:11; 3:9 -Ephesians 4:22 -Titus 3:3-5 (no specific mention of sinful nature, but talking in a sense of past tense that we "were" like this, but now we're not) And I'm gonna kind of cut this short for now in hopes that it doesn't get overwhelming with more of my logic/ideas behind my stance as well. So the bible does say in the old testament that sinners will be destroyed (Isaiah 1:28). And the term sinner means what exactly? Like enemy of God, no? We definitely aren't enemies of God anymore, but are adopted as sons. Also, and lastly, I love this beautiful metaphor that Paul uses in Romans 7, and I want to believe I'm understanding it right, but I mean, who the heck knows what I understand anymore lol. "Or do you not know, brothers[a]-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.[b] 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress."
@breadmcdonald
3 жыл бұрын
Dangit comment cut off the ending. I wanted to add that it seems to me that your stance is that we are an adulteress yet not an adulteress at the same time. To which I say, how can we be two at one time? Both bad and good? Dark and light? I think this metaphor is clear saying that having her husband die sets her free to marry another man without being an adulteress. And I believe paul says this to show us that we are no longer adulterers once we have died to the law of sin and death and have married Christ. We are not adulterers, or how I interpret it, we are not sinners anymore. Thank you so much for all that you do, Dr. Jordan!
@landonbrake2581
2 жыл бұрын
@@breadmcdonald Not sure if you ever got your answer but I think the answer lies in Romans 8:3. For God condemned sin in the flesh. What does that mean. Well it that God condemned imagine a the flesh as a jail cell and God condemned sin strictly to the flesh. Theological we are two natures. Spirit and flesh. By condemning sin into the flesh this allows the spirit to be raised to life and regenerate or a new Spirit one that is no longer fallen in nature. So what this means is that as Chrsitians we have a incorruptible Spirit that is righteous in Christ and a flesh that is fallen in sin. Paul constantly speaks of the battle between flesh and Spirit. Paul says in Romans 7:22 that He delights in the law of God in his inner being (Spirit) and yet in 25 says he serves the law of sin in his flesh. By understanding the two dichotomies, we can understand how a Christian in one sense has conquesred sin, righteous in Christ, new creation, does the law of God and yet constantly struggle with sin because we also still have the flesh. Thats why Paul says in v24 who will deliver me of the body of death. Until we die we our Spirit and Flesh wage war against each other. But when we sin we do not sin in the Spirit but in the flesh. This is also stated in v17 and 20 where Paul states that when he sins its not him that's doing it its the sin in his flesh. This does not me that he does not take responsibility for sin, but rather understands that Christ has gave victory to the sinner not in perfection of flesh but of the Spirit. Now it is with the new Spirit that we beat the flesh into submission. I hope that helps. This is at least my opinion and there is a lot more scripture to this.
@breadmcdonald
2 жыл бұрын
@@landonbrake2581 you’re actually blowing my mind right now. THANK YOU! This sounds brilliant! Gonna try to go back and read with this new lens on!
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This is great!
Grace, Peace, n LOVE in The HOLY KING YHWH YESHUA. Great job; Solí DÉO Gloría!!!✝!!!
I enjoyed the video. Thanks it helped me understand the three uses a lot better. What specific type of Lutheran are you?
@lutheranshorts
2 жыл бұрын
He is in the AALC
Hey Dr. Jordan! I want to preface this with I'm being completely genuine in my curiosity and questioning here. I'm not coming from a stance of trying to point out that you're wrong, but a stance of I'm trying to make sure I'm believing what is true. Are Christians still considered sinners? I know it might seem comical, but I'm sooooo battling with this and I'm tired. I truly want to understand what is the truth and why. I'm still convinced that we are not considered sinners from what I was taught, and what I genuinely researched. Of course I'm now in a place where I'm doubting my "research" and now I want to bring up my points, I guess if I had to call them that. I'm very lost and confused in my faith right now, so this is why I'm sort of throwing out a desperate comment here. So you say that Christians will always be sinners until we die. And that Romans 7 talks about how Paul struggled with sin and that even he struggled with his sin nature. From what I read, it appears to me that AFTER Paul talks about the great struggle and failures of his in the battle with sin and his flesh, he ends it with saying, "Oh wretched man I am, who can free me from this body?" So this is Paul saying who can free him from that battle of sin and his flesh/sinful nature, and he answers it by saying by God through Jesus Christ. So it appears that there IS a freedom from that, no? And that's where I feel like I might be misinterpreting it. And Romans 8 also repeats his statement of freedom and the entire chapter is pretty packed with valuable stuff that I almost want to say if you could maybe address the chapter? But I'll post a few specific verses: Romans 8:2-4 Romans 8:9 Okay, onto more of my reasoning why I don't believe we are sinners anymore, which I want to preface that Christians would not be considered sinners because of Jesus Christ and him alone. Not because of what I do or will do or have done or anything. Purely because of Him. Immediate one that is easy for me to mention is the sinful nature that you mentioned. First clarification would be defining the sinful nature maybe? Just a thought. Okay, so sinful nature. There's multiple passages in the bible that specifically mention that its been crucified with Christ. -Romans 6:6 (and ill preface that I believe that Romans 7 is Paul talking about his old past life when he talks about his struggle with sin and the sinful nature. Which is another guess of mine of where I'm misinterpreting again.) -Galatians 2:20; 5:18; 5:24 -Colossians 2:11; 3:9 -Ephesians 4:22 -Titus 3:3-5 (no specific mention of sinful nature, but talking in a sense of past tense that we "were" like this, but now we're not) And I'm gonna kind of cut this short for now in hopes that it doesn't get overwhelming with more of my logic/ideas behind my stance as well. So the bible does say in the old testament that sinners will be destroyed (Isaiah 1:28). And the term sinner means what exactly? Like enemy of God, no? We definitely aren't enemies of God anymore, but are adopted as sons. Also, and lastly, I love this beautiful metaphor that Paul uses in Romans 7, and I want to believe I'm understanding it right, but I mean, who the heck knows what I understand anymore lol. "Or do you not know, brothers[a]-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.[b] 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress."
@breadmcdonald
3 жыл бұрын
Dangit comment cut off the ending. I wanted to add that it seems to me that your stance is that we are an adulteress yet not an adulteress at the same time. To which I say, how can we be two at one time? Both bad and good? Dark and light? I think this metaphor is clear saying that having her husband die sets her free to marry another man without being an adulteress. And I believe paul says this to show us that we are no longer adulterers once we have died to the law of sin and death and have married Christ. We are not adulterers, or how I interpret it, we are not sinners anymore. Thank you so much for all that you do, Dr. Jordan!
@landonbrake2581
2 жыл бұрын
@@breadmcdonald Not sure if you ever got your answer but I think the answer lies in Romans 8:3. For God condemned sin in the flesh. What does that mean. Well it that God condemned imagine a the flesh as a jail cell and God condemned sin strictly to the flesh. Theological we are two natures. Spirit and flesh. By condemning sin into the flesh this allows the spirit to be raised to life and regenerate or a new Spirit one that is no longer fallen in nature. So what this means is that as Chrsitians we have a incorruptible Spirit that is righteous in Christ and a flesh that is fallen in sin. Paul constantly speaks of the battle between flesh and Spirit. Paul says in Romans 7:22 that He delights in the law of God in his inner being (Spirit) and yet in 25 says he serves the law of sin in his flesh. By understanding the two dichotomies, we can understand how a Christian in one sense has conquesred sin, righteous in Christ, new creation, does the law of God and yet constantly struggle with sin because we also still have the flesh. Thats why Paul says in v24 who will deliver me of the body of death. Until we die we our Spirit and Flesh wage war against each other. But when we sin we do not sin in the Spirit but in the flesh. This is also stated in v17 and 20 where Paul states that when he sins its not him that's doing it its the sin in his flesh. This does not me that he does not take responsibility for sin, but rather understands that Christ has gave victory to the sinner not in perfection of flesh but of the Spirit. Now it is with the new Spirit that we beat the flesh into submission. I hope that helps. This is at least my opinion and there is a lot more scripture to this.
@breadmcdonald
2 жыл бұрын
@@landonbrake2581 you’re actually blowing my mind right now. THANK YOU! This sounds brilliant! Gonna try to go back and read with this new lens on!