I truly hope your health returns quickly, Mandy. Forgive me if I tell you things here you already know. I have the 72-pencil set of Derwent Lightfast. By "light fast" Derwent is counting only artwork that is maintained under museum conditions, which is no different from what Caran D'Ache does. The C D'A Luminance 6901 pencils have tested as light fast against the ASTM-D6901 standard just as the Derwent pencils have. Derwent, though, put its Lightfast pencils through the blue wool test as well. Whether that means that Derwent's pencils are *more* light fast than C D'A's in or outside of museum conditions has not been documented. Plus, not all buyers will maintain museum conditions, so some colors in the art they buy may nonetheless shift or fade regardless of which brand's pencils were used. As for working with the pencils, I haven't noticed any great differences with my smaller Luminance set (a gift). While I am not disappointed in the Lightfasts, I use the pencils mainly to add detail and nuanced color to watercolor and gouache, not to make the kind of (wonderful!) pencil drawings you make, so my observations might differ a lot from yours. The Lightfast palette is a little muted because Derwent omitted problematic pigments. Some of my Lightfast colors are a little scratchy. Some are a little waxy, show pencil strokes, and allow for about four layers, while other colors allow for another one or two layers on top of that. If you happen to have the less expensive Derwent Drawing Pencils, you may find as I did that the Lightfast pencils are similar and that the sets contain some very similar colors. While Derwent will always put its pencils on sale again, the vintage set you inherited is a one-and-only for you. Are the blue wool test results important enough to you to justify giving up the vintage set? Do you think most of the people who buy the art you will make in the time before the next Derwent sale will find meeting the ASTM-D6901 standard alone to be insufficient? Will the buyers provide museum conditions for the art over the decades? How many of them would expect colors not to shift and fade over time, especially if they do not mount the art behind UV glass and provide light, temperature, air purity, and humidity controls like those of a museum? But - if instead it comes down to your wanting to get the Derwents right now because you *want* them - well, dilemma solved! Get them! Fresh art supplies can be energizing, something you could use a boost of right now. Again, I hope you soon feel well again 100%. Be gentle with yourself, please.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Susana, thanks for your extensive reply. Everything you say is true. Lightfastness is just that one thing that cannot be guaranteed outside museum conditions and who has such conditions in their homes? You're absolutely right about that. I also wonder if color pencil fades as quickly as watercolor does. I mean, with watercolor lightfastness of pigments IS important as some pigments will fade within days, even hours under not-so ideal circumstances. Just apply opera rose on a painting, hang in on a sunny wall and within days, sometimes hours, the bright pink has gone. Same with many reds. Diluting pigments with water will always make them more prone to shift color. The lighter your layer of paint, the more it is susceptible to changes from light. So it's imprinted on my brain that I NEED lightfastness in my art supplies. But you are right to question that supposition. Do I really? Color pencil is not diluted in the same way as watercolor is. Especially not when layering as much as I do. It's a very interesting topic and very good to question. I'm going to give it some more thought. And thanks...I will be gentle with myself. Promise :-)

I have both Lightfast and a number of Luminance, in all honestynrathernthan getting a full set of either one, as some colours are very similar I pick and choose the colours I like to make up a set that would meet my needs. The Lightfast are smoother and creamier to use, they have some wonderful.dark colours but lack the tone gradations in you get in Luminace. Together both brands would probably cover everything.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes...composing a personal set of colors is usually always better. Now it's just that before the holidays here in the Netherlands the sales prices of the sets are so low that it's way more advantageous to buy a full set than composing sets of single pencils of which the price per piece is now up to 2 times higher than when you buy the full set. I like reading the lightfast are smoother and creamier to use. I love especially that in color pencils. That's what I love so much about my Polychromos. And yes, I noticed some colors are missing in the Lightfast collection. I've already got a list of 30 colors in the Luminance that I might buy as single pencils to fill in the color gaps of the Lightfast. It's an addiction, art supplies :-)

“…as soon as my head is functioning again the way I want it to.” Good Lord, if I had a dollar for every time I have said that about myself. :-D Unrelated: your videos on granulating paints inspired me to separate my own paints by granulating and non-granulating and then play with making my own custom mixes. And I wanted to share with you that I found a granulating yellow. Two, actually: PY53 from DaVinci is softly granulating; then PBr24 yellow titanate (NOT Naples yellow deep) is a special edition from Winsor & Newton and is heavily granulating. They are both quite opaque. DaVinci’s PBr24 Naples yellow deep isn’t quite as orange-leaning/warm as the Winsor Newton special edition color….but the DaVinci also doesn’t granulate as heavily. Not sure if you are still looking for granulating yellows, but I thought I would share.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm always looking for granulating colors... :-) The Da Vinci's sound really interesting! And I'm definitely going to check out the PBr24 from W&N! I wrote it down on my shopping list. Thanks so much for the tips!

@hannahthufvesson

2 жыл бұрын

The Sennelier Naples Yellow Deep, also a PBr24, is beautifully bright and also granulating. The W&N Lemon Yellow Deep, PY159, is cooler, paler and granulating. As for orange granulating paints the White Nights Naples Orange, PY216, granulates. All of these are more on the opaque side, and beautiful in my opinion! ☺️ Oh, and the Roman Szmal PBr24! It's deeper and darker (and beautiful!) and granulates heavily.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

@@hannahthufvesson Ah, I didn't know about the PY216 by White Nights. It's on my wish list now. The Sennelier Pbr24 I do have and love it. Didn't use it in a way that its granulation come out well yet, though. Hm, must try.... Thanks!

@hannahthufvesson

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandyvanGoeije I wish you tons of fun! ☺️

I am so glad to see you back! ❤ I was so worried you wouldn't be back. I hope you will be back to yourself soon! Lots of love and best wishes from a friend in California 😄💌👋🙏👍💖

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Jackie! ♥

I freaking love you! Love the rant. Love the art. Just love it all!

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Hehehe....you make me blush! :-)

I personally would get the Lightfast. I find that they are very smooth on the paper. Since they are harder than the luminance, they need sharpening less often.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for sharing that! That is exactly what I'm looking for. Hard, yet smooth...and not ot much sharpening...not for that money! :-)

Wat fijn om weer een filmpje van je te zien. Ik hoop zo dat je snel weer meer energie krijgt! Wat beschreef je dat papier goed, ik voelde meteen hoe het zou aanvoelen, want ook ik heb me afgedroogd met die ruwe papier handdoekjes. Ik heb helaas geen ervaring met de potloden, ik gebruik wel Derwent potloden, maar dat is de inkt variatie, Inktense. Daar ben ik helemaal blij meezulke gave effecten zonder dat het door elkaar gaat lopen, een mooie tegenhanger voor de aquarelverf en potloden. Goede gewone potloden heb ik nog niet, komt misschien ooit nog eens. Beterschap en groetjes, doe lekker rustig aan!

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Dankjewel. Doe ik! Enne ja, dat papier...de ruwe kant van de mi-teintes voelt echt zo. Het is mijn ding niet. De achterkant is gelukkig beter en schijnt goed te zijn voor kleurpotlood, maar ik heb vandaag zelf een vel hot pressed aquarelpapier gekleurd met aquarelverf. Dat tekent echt superfijn! Ik zal er gauw een videootje over maken, want wát een verschil! En die Ingres is ook fijn. Inktense is idd fijn. Ik ben benieuwd wat je daar mee doet als je het hebt over effecten zonder dat het door elkaar gaat lopen. Heb je ergens werk online staan?

Oh, Mandy, I'm so sorry to hear you've been ill, but glad to hear you're on the way to recovery. And I hope that happens very soon!. I vote for the Derwent lightfast colored pencil set.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

hehehe....thanks for your vote! It might just win! A Dutch color pencil shop has promised to send me a sample so I can try. SOOOO kind!!! If it is as good as I expect it will be, I'm going for the Lightfast and will fill in the gaps in the color palette with some more Luminance. But I'm going too fast now. First I'll try the sample pencil :-)

So sorry you have been ill, and happy you are on the mend. I don’t know what antibiotics you were prescribed, but in the future I definitely avoid levaquin (levoflaxacin) if you can. It has horrible side effects, including fuzzy cognitive issues and insomnia. Hopefully, your health will soon be back to normal. I have missed your videos, which are informative as well as amusing. That tree is amazing, please do more of those! I recommend watching the video Derwent filmed showing their manufacturing process of their pencils. There is a lot of care and quality control. Looking forward to seeing what you choose and more videos on your palette. Wishing you well😘

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Aarghh...it was the Levoflaxacin indeed...and another one that has the exact same side effects. I read that even though I was so seasick and fuzzy and yes I do have the insomnia problem as well...BUT...these meds can also cause torn Achilles heel tendons, psychosis and hallucinations!!! I am SO glad I did not have that! Seasick, fuzziness and insomnia...it's not nice, but I can deal with that. And the seasickness has worn off to the point where I can drive short distances now and I even went to a plant store today. Bending all the way over to check the price on the pots wasn't too good an idea, but other than that, I'm so much better than I was. I trust the fuzziness will wear off and hopefully the shards of night rest will soon melt together to full night's sleeps again. Fingers crossed. Thanks for the video tip of the Derwent pencils. I'm going to check that one out for sure! There's a color pencil shop in the Netherlands and the lady promised to send me a Lightfast sample so I can compare it to the luminance. I'm looking forward to that very much. I can't wait to try. And the tree? Yes, I'm already working on the next. This time I colored the paper myself. I'll make a little video about that if I can.

I have both the Derwent and the Luminance sets. They are similar in many ways and some people combine the two sets because of that compatibility.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm...if I were a rich girl, I'd buy both sets. Seriously. I know. I'm greedy...but well, you obviously understand the need for both sets :-)

I feel you are great cuz your energy just brightened my heart ❤️

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

:-) Awww...that's so good to hear!

I have the 72 sets of artist grade colored pencil from Caran D'Ache, Derwent, Faber Castell and Lyra as well as some Prisma Colors. It isn't a question of either or. Just the other day I picked the four 72 sets and compared them side by side. Luminance are softer than Derwent Lightfast. The Lightfast are softer than the Polychromos and the hardest of the four is Lyra Rembrandt. So if you want soft edges you go for Lumminance and Lightfast. Details it's Polychromos and Rembrandt. There were months even years between my purchases. I suggest you go with single colors or smaller sets to get a feel for them. The Prisma Color still softer than the Luminance. Derwent has the brightest white, though Luminance is very close. I'm not going to buy a large set of Prisma Colors. My set of ten is plenty. For when lightfastness is not an issue I have the Brutfuner, which are par with Prisma Color when it comes to creaminess, and you get 150 set for ~50€ last time I checked. Hope that helped.

@MandyvanGoeije

10 ай бұрын

Ah, Brutfuner! I have been curious about that brand for a long time now as I've read many great reviews about it. For me lightfastness is only an issue in work that I sell, so as a layer of pencil on top of watercolor. But in illustration work lightfastness is no issue as it will be reproduced anyway. I might pop in a Brutfuner order some day, to try. They have really cute pastel colours, I noticed...

The tree is stunning 🤩

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Sabiha!

Hope you feel much better soon. I do not keep journals or diaries. Had mine taken and read once and that was enough for me. I have been doing the Derwent Lightfast and Lumanice back and forth as well. Maybe I will figure that out soon, lol.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh, that is an awful diary-related experience! If it helps and should you ever feel an itch in that direction...I find that keeping a visual diary helps. It's my personal visual language that nobody really understands anyway. It is what got me into art :-) Do you have both brands of color pencils?

That drawing is gorgeous!! 😍 I don't know if I can help you decide between the Derwent and the Caran D'Ache, I've never tried the Derwent but have the complete set of the Caran D'Ache and they are lovely, and work very well with the Polychromos (my favourites). Also, have you tried using the Mi-Teintes paper on the smooth side? I completely agree that on the rough side the texture is too much, I don't like that side at all and never use it, but use the smooth side with graphite and colored pencils all the time, I love it 😊

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

OMG, Thank you, María, I didn't even know Mi-Teintes had a smooth side!!!!! But you're right! I'm going to try instantly! :-)

Go for Derwent lightfast

Glad you are home, glad things are settling down. For us if we have to take antibiotics, we must add probiotics and acidophilus. We take it for the duration plus about a week. It puts back the good flora in your body and makes all the difference. Here is just too crazy to feel very creative. The US is in the news too often so no reason to talk about it. Your skin, eyes and expressions tell us you are better.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. For now, I'm good. On the probiotics indeed. It seems to help :-) Oh, and the news...sometimes it's best to just take out the paints or some pencils and pick a really nice audiobook and just tune out for a bit to regain some peace, right?

Luminance, I have all 100 colors and absolutely love them. I tried a few Derwent Lightfast pencils but personally I just like the Luminance better, they've been around for ages too.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

I've worked with both now and love them both, although the luminance have slightly better coverage in light and bright colours. I suppose that's because of the wax. The only thing I didn't like is that the luminance need A LOT of sharpening...a little too much for my liking for such expensive pencils. So I might have to train my knife-sharpening skills :-)

I have lightfast and they are great, I never heard any negative comments about them but I do hear few about luminance 😀

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

That's SO good to hear!

I am very sad to hear about your health problems. At first I thought the worst; when you said that you had stomach aches, I thought, “Oh my God! Mandy had a heart attack!” When there was no talk of a heart attack, I thought, “OMG! It’s cancer!” I’m glad it’s neither. But I am saddened about the side effects. It’s so heartening to see you making videos, though. You are part of my usual ‘gang’ of channels that I watch watch and KZread is just not KZread with a member of that gang missing. I wish you, from the bottom of my heart, a very speedy recovery. And when your are able to and have the time, do pop up here and say hi :-)

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Ow no!!! No cancer, no heart attack!!!!!! None of that. :-) There's lots about a human body that can end up broken and it's not always that bad :-) And I intend to do a whole lot more videos for your 'gang' of channels! It's so lovely, your comment on missing me here. I'm sorry about the hole in your watchlist, but I sure hope to fill up the gap soon! It was really good making a video again, so fingers crossed!!!

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandyvanGoeije It’s very encouraging to hear that you’ll be doing videos. Needless to say, do what you feel like doing. If you need time to recover, then take all the time you need. We’ll alwAys be here 😊

I thought the Roman Szmal and Winsor and Newton’s PV23 had good lightfastness. No wait… Roman Szmal uses PV37, don’t they? Not sure.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure about the PV37, but I read some articles about PV23 after my viewers recommended it and it turns out that PV23 is not as lightfast as manufacturers claim. But, that being said, in tests it turned out that the Qor PV23 was very lightfast. The other brands I don't remember how they came out in the tests, but I really love the Qor dioxazine purple, so I decided to go for that one. I love how the binder helps shoot the paint over the paper. It adds to the awesome characteristics of my ideal palette.

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandyvanGoeije Thanks. I personally don’t like paints that shoot and spread; they are difficult to control. I much prefer well behaved paints; they are much easier to control, especially when painting a tiny area wet into wet.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

@@awatercolourist I totally understand. Many feel that way. When I comment that I miss spontaneous watercolor characteristics in for example Mijello, there will be as many people who agree and who miss the element of chaos and surprise as there will be people who totally disagree because not only the colors are wonderful, they also offer full control. I guess that's why I love watercolor so much. Unlike acrylics it's got so many different aspects to discover and work with (or not :-) ).

@awatercolourist

2 жыл бұрын

@@MandyvanGoeije I totally agree! Watercolours is such a beautiful and versatile medium; there is always, always something to appreciate about watercolours.

Vertigo?

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if that's what it's called. Dizziness is a side-effect of two of the anti-biotics I had. Some people even get hallucinations, the little piece of paper said. Fortunately I didn't have that, but it sure was sort of a seasickness. The whole world moved from side to side for a few weeks... Glad it's almost over. Am driving a wee tiny distance for the first time again today...

if it matters to you Derwent Lightfast pencils are not vegan friendly. Caran D'Ache Luminance pencils mostly are vegan - except the ones that contain PBk9. I Wish you all the best.

@MandyvanGoeije

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I didn't know that vegan friendly could also apply to pencils. I'm going to look into that.