Thank you! This was the most helpful review I’ve seen so far - I have the vertical and I do have small desk real estate so I started to feel pain in my wrist bc as you said, the hand position isn’t a natural one for long term..I think I’ll be looking at the ergo since I don’t need to scroll a lot - bought the master 3s but after this review I’ll prob exchange it for the ergo version - thanks again!

Mouse reviews are supposed to be like this, not just specs and first impressions, its the part of the hardware we put our precious hands on so it really is import to talk about ergonomics and functionality. Thank you for sharing your experience.

@jacoblee2751

2 жыл бұрын

Right on the money… what good are impressive specs and design if your wrist goes out? Solid review.

This is now my favourite review just based on the comments. I didn't know that there were so many mouse enthusiasts. This is awesome.

@alobpreis

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRybka30 That looks like a bat-mouse.

@JungleboyRayan

3 жыл бұрын

I have decided on the MX Ergo as I was always using Microsoft Optical Trackball 1.0 - until it broke (after 15 years)

@SbeveAmogus

2 жыл бұрын

Fortunately, mx ergo works perfectly for me, my right thumb is just fine. Never going back to mouses

@Poetry4Peace

Жыл бұрын

@@JungleboyRayan hows it going

@Poetry4Peace

Жыл бұрын

@@SbeveAmogus nice i rly wanna try something diff, i got the g604 ITS AC beautiful like the 13 shortcuts i got, got me researching and enjoying videos, using fl studio with custom shortcuts a fiyah experience but need a wrist calmer down tooo lol my poor right side

It is extremely damaging to move a mouse only from your wrist. The most ergonomic way to use a mouse is to move your entire arm with it, being sure to lessen wrist movement. It's no wonder the MX Vertical did not work well for you. You were using it entirely wrong and in a damaging way. In the same way that chefs tell you to whisk with your entire arm and lessen your wrist rotation to prevent strain, it's the same with a mouse. There's a reason they say this because frequent large motions with your wrist is not healthy.

@garabdorje

3 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right. This reviewer has no idea on how to use a vertical mouse. Having developed carper tunnel from my early days of gaming on pc (and doing It completely wrong) I had to switch to a vertical mouse and an ergonomic keyboard when I started working at a desk job. The pain on my wrists and arms was to much and crippling. I have been using this combination for over two years and have no issues anymore. I also started playing PC games around the same time using the vertical mouse and have no problems with it. I play with 400 DPI and use my whole arm to move the around. If you are developing carpel tunnel then you must go vertical. It will save you from having to get surgery and make sure to get use to moving the mouse with the whole arm so you can heal properly.

@twofacepalmer1212

3 жыл бұрын

@@garabdorje Are you using the Logi MX vertical mouse? and what ergo keyboard are you using?

@garabdorje

3 жыл бұрын

@@twofacepalmer1212 I am actually using the Adesso Imouse E30-2.4GHz Wireless vertical mouse, well the wired version. And the keyboard is a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard.

@teo2805

3 жыл бұрын

@@garabdorje Could you recommend a mouse and keyboard that are ergonomic? I'm developing carpal tunnel. I was thinking the MX Keys as a keyboard and the vertical MX mouse. I wonder if the mouse is any good for normal gaming though.

@garabdorje

3 жыл бұрын

@@teo2805 I just started using the MX vertical mouse and I can absolutely recommend it for gaming. The keyboard that I use for every day office work is the Microsoft 5KV-00001. But for gaming I bought the Sades one handed keyboard. I needed the extra real estate since I use 400 DPI and I mainly play FPS. You could use any keyboard with a similar shape. But I highly recommend the MX vertical mouse.

Thank you so much for this review! I believe this review is spot on especially for how I use mice.

My man. Thank you so much. This video echoes my sentiments especially about the constant thumb movement with the track ball. You have safeguard my wallet.

Fantastic review, well spoken, to the point and great info! Helped inform my decision!

I respect that you were honest and this didn't play like a commercial for either mouse. Personally I love my ergo. I've had it for years and recently ordered a master 3 for my other PC, but after watching this in thinking about returning the master 3 and just getting another ergo. My thing is I don't want a sensor so I can use the mouse accurately anywhere, and the thing movement on three ergo feels extremely comfortable to me. I spend 12 hours a day on my computers, and I never even thought about my thumb in terms of aching. I remember having that issue with the m570, but I don't think it was ever seen issue with the ergo. But that's just me I suppose

Awesome video, very pragmatic and straight to the point without all the frills of specs. Thank you!

Functional review on point! I watched a bunch of reviews before ordering my MX Master 3 for Mac day before yesterday, and now I’m watching more videos of it lol 😂. Can’t wait for it to arrive!

Excellent comments and assessment. Very well produced. I purchased the MX Ergo Plus recently (my first scroll wheel mouse) and I like it very much. You are spot on regarding the vertical mouse. I tried it in the store and immediately rejected it because of the unnatural feel.

Great review, the most honest review of those devices so far!

Very useful review. Great job, bro. Thank you!

Really love this review. Helps me in choosing a new mouse in terms of ergonomical aspect. Thanks!

Appreciate the input, thank you for sharing!

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you! Was looking for a video on trackballs, and you did one and two mice....not at all what I was hoping to see, but I viewed till the end because this was simply the best damn review video I've seen. You actually USED the devices and gave honest opinions, pros and cons, and I really, really appreciated that. My M570 is dying, and I tried the Ergo and just didn't seem right, so am looking again for something else that will seem right...because finger placement IS so important! Egad! Everything you mention about finger placement and hand position is so on the money.

YOU ARE THE BEST at this break it down well to see this topic well. Thank you very much

Awesome and straight forward review of what it's actually like to use the mice! :)

I just found your vids man. Def subscribing. Love the honest reviews. I wasn't considering a ball mouse at first, rather the vertical, but you made a strong point. It doesn't seem natural. I might have to do further research on this overall, but you gave me food for thought.

First, this is a really great video. I love my MX Ergo mouse. I have the MX Master 2 that I've used prior to having the MX Ergo and every 2 months, I try to go back to MX Master and after just a couple of minutes, my wrist starts getting pain. One major point that I love with my MX Ergo is the "tilt button" on the scroll wheel which even the MX Master 3 doesn't have. I use the left and right as a move back and forth in web pages and even if there are 2 dedicated buttons for that, the "tilt button" is for me something I don't want to miss. Other than that, I've developed over the years great agility with my thumb and I can set the pointer speed to a very high level which gives me the ability to navigate through my 2 24 inches monitors in just one scroll and I can also move the cursor a couple of millimeters if I want. I have a standing desk converter which doesn't give me a lot of space for my mouse and for this reason, again, the MX Ergo win over the MX Master. Sum up, I love my MX Ergo and I would love to love another mouse but I can't :D By the way, in the world of ergonomic, I also have an Ergodox keyboard from ergodox-ez.com/. Like the MX Ergo compared to the MX Master, I cannot go back to a standard keyboard since I use this type of keyboard. We would be stumbled how "not ergonomic" are the vast majority of devices on the market and how our body is accustomed to pain because of non-natural position and when using an ergonomic mouse or ergonomic keyboard or everything ergonomic, and switch back to non-ergonomic, how our body tells us: "Hey man, that's not the way you should use this device".

It feels very enjoyable and funny watching and listening to your review, thank you guy.

Great review and good points about usage! Thanx.

I have used the MX Ergo for a few years now, and it’s surprising how quickly your thumb becomes accustomed to it, without strain or pain. Great video, thank you!

Thank you! Just the review I was looking for!! I agree on your conclusion. Makes sense..

This is very helpful now I’m working from home!!

It seems like you're missing the point of the Ergo and Vertical, those provide benefits long term to prevent arthritis

@thetreasonseason

3 жыл бұрын

Take regular small breaks. That'll work for the whole body

definitely agree with others. best review about these 3. i think i will go for mx master 3 since they are all the same price in turkey atm.

@thetreasonseason

3 жыл бұрын

Word. Horizontal scroll is God sent. Saves more wrists than Unicef

Awesome video - thanks. I bought the MX master 3, but I agree with you, it's hard to know where to place ones fingers comfortably.

Great comparison and contrasts. I've like and subscribed. Now onto my thoughts: I just bought the MX Master 3 and I already haven an Ergo Plus. I have a need to switch between a few computers, but I don't want to juggle multiple keyboards and mice. This is where the both the Ergo and Logitech MX Master 3 series comes into play. I also just bought the keyboard that allows me to switch among 3 computers. The Ergo Mouse provides switching 2 computers. The MX Master 3 (like the keyboard does 3). I'll also state that my I'm tall with large hands and I don't care too much for sliding a mouse--I'll work with it, but I'll see how this MX Master 3 does vs. My Ergo Plus. The funny thing is my ideal would be for Logitech to make a version of the Ergo Plus with the existing trackball and size, but add the switching capability of 3 or more systems. So much for a Goldilocks moment. NOTE: The vertical just wasn't even a consideration. I thought it was awkward. My key areas are in the order of: Comfort (Ergo Plus [that rubber wedge it worth it]); Function (switching systems MX Master 3, Ergo) and Movement (either way). I will add that the ability to switch KYBD+MOUSE across systems via Logitech units eliminates messy cables. Anyway, as stated initially, your review was informative and solidly done. Thank You.

Late to the party here but came across this and it’s exactly the information I needed. Well done sir.

Great video! Congrats

wow! I did not expect such an honest evaluation. I really appreciate your honesty, I was about to buy the Logitech Mouse MX Master 3, but what you mention makes a lot of sense. I would like to know your opinion regarding the ELECOM M-HT1DRBK mouse. I also work between 5 and 8 hours in front of the computer.

Thanks, man. Great review. I had no idea MX Ergo has no sensor. That's really surprising. Haven't you changed your opinion on the necessity of the sensor since the review?

Great review. I have subscribed. I am going to look for your overall “best” recommendation to buy.

Excellent video! I've tried all of these and landed on the MX Master 3. The large hump on the palm rest is VERY comfortable for me over long periods of time and I prefer how my hand sits on top of it vs a claw of other traditional mice. I just wish the polling rate was higher as it feels just a little sluggish compared to other gaming mice. You sentiments about the vertical mouse are spot on and have been hard for me to explain to people. Everyone says it just takes to to get used to, but I have my doubts (for me work, at least). I work in AutoCAD and SketchUp all day, every day, and while the size of the Ergo was good, the trackball is a non-starter for precision and speed. If I just did spreadsheets or word processing all day, I suppose I might feel differently on what I'd need in a mouse.

@hansselabreu649

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly where I work in and I just can’t decide which one to buy.

If you don't mind me asking, what mouse are you using right now? I've been looking for a mouse that would last me for hours, since I got into a gaming hobby that requires a lot of mouse clicking for hours. Would love to avoid using my thumb as much as possible.

Logitech Mx Performance was small, had a pinky home, and a thumb rest too. After 10 years of daily use, the rubber on mine has worn off. MX Master's form factor is way too big and the pinky place is missing. It's so frustrating to not be able to find the right mouse. Thanks for your honest review!

Regarding MX Vertical: although many users focus most of the motion with their wrist, it is healthier to use your entire arm for the mouse movements. Vertical designs are geared for people attempting to avoid or relieve repetitive stress injuries which is why the mouse is built this way. Perhaps providing your viewers with some insight into the intent of the design and/or explaining the history of similarly designed products would provide better context than what appears to be personal preference.

@Khser

3 жыл бұрын

the thing people dont get is that i simply cannot. simple as that. i am 33, i have been using computers since i was 8, and in 25 years, you kinda get a habit. i just cannot change how i use my mouse. i have arthritis, i have carpal tunnel and i have 2 more issues i cannot even remember the name of. i tried but i, can, not change how i use my mouse. i use it from my wrist, with very high dpi. and as he showed on the video, he does that also. his mouse area is small and he is using wrist to move mouse. thats why he basically said it is not a good mouse for him.

@glo1168

3 жыл бұрын

@@Khser but the thing is you use your whole arm and not your wrist with a regular mouse so why should you suddenly use your wrist with a vertical mouse

@OGalixInphum

2 жыл бұрын

This Vertical need at least a few week to get used to, not just a few hour. If you got some kind of office syndrome related to your right arm, palm or even finger, try this one out.

@MrH-GB

2 жыл бұрын

@@Khser I've been using a vertical for a few weeks and it has reduced my pain massively. I can't use a normal mouse anymore without being in tons of pain but I can use the vertical all day.

@pureplay7071

Жыл бұрын

@@OGalixInphum I would say longer, I could have went back to mu normal mouse after a few weeks. but now, I wouldn't use a normal mouse again.

Awesome review!

For the mx vertical it takes time to get used to it. I then cannot switch to a mouse that is flat. It feels like my hand is hurting and not natural compared to the mx vertical. I have been using it for around two years now and it’s been very good! It just takes a while to get used to, maybe like a month. Did you try using it for at least a month or two? Without using any other mouse?

Great video! Subscribed.

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

Very , very useful review. Thanks

Glad you compared these three. I have the Master 3, been using it for about a year now, and I'm very happy with it. I've gamed with it and its been a good mouse. As you mentioned, the only thing I'd add to it's design is a wing on the pinky side for some support, as the wing on the thumb side is one of my favorite features. I'm looking to get a new mouse, and the Vertical has my eye. the only drawback I personally have with the Ergo Lift is the battery powered feature vs a rechargeable option. Great review!

thanks for the video. it helps. I am thinking trackball will be the most suitable.

this is a GREAT video. it just feels honest. There are not perfect peripherals.

I bought a ERGO M575 and I was a bit surprised that the mouse is not supposed to move but my thumb is. At first I thought I would get used to the trackball after awhile, but after 2 months I still finds it frustrating to select precisely the area I want to screen capture which I was able to do it easily with a cheaper Logitech sensor mouse. I was comparing various more expensive Logitech mouse when I came upon your review, which is spot on on how I felt using the Ergo mouse for many hours a day. Because the mouse does not move, I felt tired on my wrist and thumb. Your point about Ergo with sensor is exactly what I need. I love the short-cut buttons but not the track ball. Thank you for the good review!

Excellent practical review.

Wonderful review 😎

I have the MX Master 3 and it works extremely well for me...8 hours a day with the free wheel scroll; the thumb side scroll; thumb rest; and large curved palm rest..This thing paired with a nice mouse pad( a good mouse pad does indeed make a difference) has made my work productivity much more efficient and comfortable. My hands are not large but more of a mid size...If you have to highlight a lot; cut and paste; select; or copy/paste a lot, this is the way to go paired with a good mouse pad....If Logitech either made the MX Master 3 with a pinky rest(if you will) or made the ergo into a sensor mouse with the features of the MX Master 3, that would be a Cadillac for my hands and I’d gladly have Logitech take my money...again.😂😂

I completely agree regarding the awkward click and movement of a vert mouse. I rarely use my vert mouse since I got an early sample of a "vertical mousepad". Basically, this new thing if for a regular mouse and makes using a regular mouse more comfortable. There are a couple trade-offs but overall I use it a lot now for all my different graphics editing work. Orb control gave me one to try called a mouseramp. I like it for the kinds of tasks I do. Hours editing sound or graphics like you. Depending on what you use your mouse for I recommend checking it out. Hope this helps.

@techloto

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I think that's where mouse choice makes a big difference; when you are using it for hours.

Liked your review. I was looking at the vert and the ergo. I use the mx master 3 now. I will just stick with that for now. The only thing I hate about it is that it will disconnect from Bluetooth fairly often. The thing about the pinky finger doesn't bother me at all, but I don't think I've used one that was wider and had that so maybe I don't know what I'm missing.

Great video, thanks!

Finally, someone explained the motion on the vertical mouse. I wanted to get one, but I was really worried that moving it around would feel weird, cause I tried emulating it by vertically holding my normal mouse and it just felt weird. Like you have to put your shoulder in it, can't just throw it around like a normal mouse. Thanks bud!

@techloto

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting because everyone in the comments said it felt strange for the first week then felt normal going forward and they wouldn't look back. The conversation is still going on in the comments so worth looking at it.

@TheMarouuu

Жыл бұрын

@@techloto Oh I know, I read those too but it's unrealistic. I mean sure, if you don't click around a lot, or if you use just one smaller screen then sure. But I work on multiple screens, bigger screens, and I don't have a giant desk. Seems like you'd have to do quite a lot of work to "get used to it and never look back". I'm cool with carpal tunnel vs a bad shoulder. I need to work man, not learn kung fu :D

i was using a normal mouse since ever, for 6 to 12 hours a day, i always had wrist pain, now I am using the MX Vertical for almost a year. In the first month i had the same problems you said in the review, but after the first month the pain ceased, the click starts to feel way better when you learn how to use your thumb in a pinch movement with your index or middle finger. Now that i got used to it i can easily crank up the dpi speed and my wrist doesnt move so much. I think its a great mouse, the best i've ever used, but i understand you take because its a tough product to review due to the slow adaptation curve.

Great review and I agree with you that they should make a Ergo with a sensor. Ty

I use mx ergo for aobut a year. For me it is very comfortable. First two or three days was a struggle and I felt tension in my wrist but after the third day I just love this mouse! I really like the featur of switching devices with just one click. This mouse is awesome.

Great review mate!

@techloto

8 ай бұрын

Thank you

Thanks very helpful!

Have you tried the Arc Mouse from Microsoft? I feel the Arc Touch version very comfortable. It doesn't have a lot of features than Logitech but feels so natural.

Great review thanks

UPDATE: Lionel...you are SPOT ON and YOU know how to do a GEAT Review! Keep up the fantastic, yes fantastic work. We all appreciate your videos. My only suggestion is to use the Ergo exclusively for 2 months and......you will LOVE IT. Don't dismiss it without using it extensively, first.

great review

Brilliant and honest. I know because I had exactly the same experience.

Well as someone who used the original MX Master, now uses an Index Trackball from Elecom (Deft Pro) but tested a thumb one before and have a wife who swears by about her Vertical Mice, I find this comparison very good. The vertical mice adopts an ergonomic way, natural to the wrist compared with most mice. That's why even now more mice is being slanted in angle to give your hand a more natural/comfortable position. Although I will point one thing: A vertical mice is made for you to use the elbow as a pivot for movement, not your wrist. That is why you found it uncomfortable after a small time. You are using the vertical mice as you use a normal mice, you only move the wrist, and have the mice in high sensibility to make that movement possible. The right way of using a mice is moving your lower half of the arm, using the elbow as pivot for horizontal movement and the shoulder for vertical movement. Just see the pro gamers and how they move their mice. That's the correct way (okay not as violent as some do with the flicks but the correct bases are there). Plus you have a restrictive work space as you say, your table have a tray and in that tray is were your mice and keyboard is right? That is not gonna fit for that kind of correct movement, you don't have enough space and will result in later problems with your wrist (Ask me how I know...) I was the same, when I learned to use a mice I also had a restrictive space for movement, plus add the fact that I learned with the old ball mice, not the optical (beginning of 1990s. Opticals only appeared after the half of that decade). Because of that I had developed a problem in my wrist (thank god not carpel tunnel yet but an inflammation) and changed first for a thumb trackball and later to an index one. How I am training myself to use a mice correctly? I got one of that strong elastic bands with velcro that I put on my wrist (weight lifters use something similar) that impedes the movement of my wrist, compressing it and at the same time limiting a lot his movement, forcing me to use the elbow/shoulder as pivot for movements. Do that every day for a while and your mind will get it without needing to use any more. Remember the wrist should be always fixed at an angle in line with the arm, is the arm who moves, not the hand. Do this to yourself, it will save you from a surgery on your wrist, plus consequent limits in movement and a very expensive bill to pay. Getting a trackball is also a solution, but the learning curve to use it as a gaming device is very steep, specially for FPS. But it will save your wrist.

@black.phoenix.

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the pin comment. Still on this subject I recommend you to try an Index Trackball, like the old Logitech Trackman, Elecom Deft Pro or Huge (since you have bigger hands the Huge is probably a better fit), a Kensington Slimblade, a Kensington Orbit with their scroll wheel horizontal to the table, the Kensington Pro Fit Ergo Vertical that is a vertical thumb trackball or the new one they going to release this month, the Kensington Orbit Fusion Wireless. Any one of these is great for productivity, RTS/TDS and Management games. It could be also for FPS but it takes a learning curve. Try one of them (I recommend starting with the Deft Pro and the Orbit Fusion).

@ayvi_764

3 жыл бұрын

holy fucking shit dude this is alot of text

I've been using the MXERGO for several years. I love it. It started malfunctioning so I'm looking to see if another one can steal me away... Doesn't look like it at this time. Great Review, Thanks!

@chrisscottdoes

3 жыл бұрын

FYI, you get used to the roller ball after a day or so.

@nolisanjose

3 жыл бұрын

Chris, mine is also malfunctioning (the left click button is not as springy anymore and tends to doubleclick sometimes) but I love this trackball. It's very ergonomic and fits my big hand very well. Are you planning to replace it? (Btw, are you experiencing any issue with your thumb and some pain if you try to flex it backwards?)

@chrisscottdoes

3 жыл бұрын

@@nolisanjose I did finally replace it and this time I added the geeksquad warranty on it. I do get thumb pain occasionally... I thought about the vertical mice to try and avoid the trackball. I demoed them, and they just are not as comfortable as the MXErgo to me.

@shorttravelvideos9649

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisscottdoes , yes. FYI, I finally replaced mine with...another MX Ergo. Hahaha. The size is just critical to me. And the ergonomics of course. I tried to switch to a non-trackball but I'm just so used to the trackball at this point to be able to go back.

Did you end up finding a mouse you liked and can recommend? I'd like something between a horizontal and vertical mouse. Thanks

Subscribed for the realness

WOW, everything you've said is EXACTLY my point! Well deserved like & subscribe, and all the best from Serbia (no, it's not Sibiria, and it's not Syria :D P.S. Now I need to check your channel and see if you did a similar keyboard ergo tests!

For the MX Master, the point about the pinky rest was helpful, but is there anything else about the shape or usability that you could comment on?

Great video, and given you try the 3 I'd like to ask something, I currently own an MX Ergo, I really like the mouse, and it helped me a lot to combat a wrist pain I was having. I'm looking to upgrade because as comfy as it is, mine has 1.5 years and the battery life sucks and I hate the fact that uses a mini usb port rather than a standard usb c nowadays. So, from your perspective, should I get the mx master 3s or bought an ergo again? I really like the ergo but at 2023 feels like a slap in the face bc how outdated it is, and I just want to ensure the mx master is comfy enough to daily drive as it less dated.

My first opinion about a vertical mouse was the same like on a video, but I gave it more time because I had an issues with my wrist. After couple of days, I used to it, and of course I move my whole arm not making a movement from the wrist. Also I have very very small space for the mouse to move. And I use very cheep vertical mouse. I bought it just to see if vertical mouse will work for me. Now I looking to buy something better and I found this review. I believe this also applies for the MX Ergo. Also tried it for couple of hours and it seemed not right for me, but I think this amount of time is not enough. Maybe you should use those mice for a few days maybe even whole month to be more relevant.

Really great video + informative review! Can I ask what the name of the amazon mouse you got was? Thanks!

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

Not a recommendation, it might not be what you're looking for but it's what has worked for me for years. It's called Tecknet wireless mouse on Amazon

@Kilion4d

3 жыл бұрын

@@techloto Ahh ok, thanks for the tip. I ended up going for the MX master 3 in the end (got an ergo initially but returned it bcs I didn't feel v accustomed using it). I'll bookmark the tecknet for the future though - it's surprisingly cheap on amazon esp. compared to the mx master 3 lol

Very good video. Agree with your point and the video 'sold me' by the fact you didn't pick ANY of them lol Good. I agree w a mix of the Ergo & Master 3. I am almost heading to the store but I'll wait. Now the question I am looking to be answered is. Both Logi products, the new ones, Keyboard & Mouse. When I press the ID key on the Keyboard, does it has the function to also select the paired mouse to that ID automatically, or after pushing the ID key on the Keyboard, do I still need to go under the mouse, and push the corresponding key, again? Can anyone tell me that? Thanks!

The mouse you showed looks to be very similar in profile to the Logi M330/M331! Have you tried the M330? It's a silent mouse that I think you'd really like. Amazing review by the way! Highly informative and I do agree that the Ergo should be updated with a low-profile sensor to get rid of that bulky trackball.

Is the MX ERGO PLUS the version with a sensor that you asked Logi create?

I feel that a few hours is not enough to test a mouse, particularlly with something that changes the posture that you are used to have. Its like with your back, if you have bad posture and stand straigth its uncomfortable at the beggining, but in the long term is for the best

Nice review. So basically three Logitech's high end mice have these kind of "design flaws", but anyway, this keeps the company profitable. I personally use MX vertival and MX ergo across my multiple devices, and I felt great. It is interesting to notice that for these two, one's pro is other's con, for instance, the pros of MX ergo: 1. you can use it in a very reduced space; 2. easy switch between devices; and cons: 1. you need to clean the trackball in an old school way; 2. it is not type C. The pros of MX vertical: 1. lightweight; 2. supports up to three devicesand cons: 1. not very friendly for small hand; 2. you have to turn it upside down to swith among devices.

Spot on! Ergo with sensor would do it. I am here because I was pondering the Ergo. I had an early version which I liked but the ball was not great on the thumb. I have the MX master 3 and like you the little finger drags on the pad.

Hello, I am a computer programmer, which one do you recommend? Greetings from Colombia

I have the mx ergo with the added magnet attachment for a little more wrist angle. I love it. Only problem I have is my hands sweat and when the sweat drys with dirt in it, it gets stuck in the groves under the ball. I just poke it out through the hole on the bottom to pop out the ball and clean the ball and inside. I also have huge hands, 10 inches/26cm from thumb to pinky and from palm to middle finger is 11 inches/21cm.

Damn It man, I was hoping for a winner as I am shopping the two right now. I spend hours doing graphic design and sometimes I need my lines to be super accurate - cant decide between the two. I would think the ergo thumb ball would give me the accuracy im looking for but I am worried about my thumb aching after a while. Dont know what to do now. Nice video

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

Look through the comments at "Noel's Google". Look for Greg's response to Noel's comment it really helps. He talks about the benefits of the trackball.

A very factual and useful comparison - thank you for that! But one question remains for me: Why doesn't the number of your subscribers have two zeros left? Happy New Year to you with best regards from Germany, Michael

Could u pls advise which mouse u use in this video

I had the Mx3 and I felt it was too heavy for my hands? Or is it just me? The muse is incredibe, but the weight is a big factor for me.

the which is the mouse that I should get? I'm a designer.

What about mx master 2s? It seems to have a better grip on the pinky finger

this needs more likes... it focuses on the drawbacks instead of just saying it's the best...

currently have the MX Vertical, really wanted to try it, still within the return period, im really feeling the strain on my bicep after using it for a while. im feeling i might return it and try somthing else, first wireless mouse i will stick with wireless

Thanks man!

I'm still using my M570. I'm looking to replace it with the MX ERGO plus sold by Best Buy. It comes with an extra plate that adds 10 more degrees of angle. Or the Kensington Pro Fit Ergo Vertical Wireless Trackball.

@Nickabod79

3 жыл бұрын

Did you get the Plus? I just replaced my m570 with it and It is my absolute favorite. It's my ride or die. 8 hours a day, no pain whatsoever. That extra 10 degrees makes a huge difference. It was the best 100 bucks I've spent in a long time.

@Kevin6t8

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nickabod79 I bought and then returned the Kensington and got the Plus. The Kensington is a crap product. I don't know what happened to Kensington, but their quality has gotten really bad. I found my Plus on Amazon Prime "used" for $79.00 before tax. When I received it. The box was damaged, but had never been opened. So I basically got a brand new trackball for a used price. I'm sticking with Logitech from now on. That extra pad definitely helps! ✌🏻🧔🏻👍🏻

I bet you'd like the ergo if the trackball had a higher DPI, much less movement. I've been using the MX Master 2S since 2017 and picked up the Ergo for my wife but she didn't like it so I plugged it in for shiggles and I was thoroughly impressed with how comfy it is. I never though about my 2S being uncomfortable but the Ergo is next level. I just wish I could set the DPI to 1500-2000 to cut down on the amount I move my thumb.

Thank you very much!!

Suggestion: cut some low frequencies out from your voice recording when you EQ. It would sound much crisper.

@techloto

2 жыл бұрын

You don't understand how much time I spend on audio. Thanks, this is helpful. I'm working on some new video and trying different mics.

I tried the Logitech Lift Vertical mouse, which is very similar to the MX vertical mouse and didn't like it. It definitely is comfortable because I don't have to pronate my wrist like with a normal mouse, but it is difficult to move the mouse backwards (towards me) because there is no room behind the mouse to move it back once your hand is on it; I end up having to move my entire arm in order to slide the mouse towards me. I ended up getting the MX Master 3S, an upgraded version to the MX Master 3, and I am loving it so far. It feels much better than traditional gaming mice because it's not as flat and it is tilted a little bit to the right for ergonomics. I don't see any issues with this mouse at all. I use it for working, which is coding for me, so I do click quite a lot, as well as gaming for hours and haven't had any issues. The battery also lasts forever, which is a huge plus since I hate having to recharge every week. The scroll wheel on the side is great. The infinity scroll wheel is also great. The button at the bottom of the thumb rest can be set to 5 different gestures and action. It's an overall very versatile mouse. If there is one downfall, it's that it is on the heavier side, compared to a gaming mouse and a regular mouse, but I'm okay with that.

If you move your mouse from wrist only without moving the arm, you aren't preventing carpel tunnel. Rather, you are asking for it. MX Vertical has been the best mouse for me ever since i started developing wrist pain. I do have some complaints. I would have liked hyper scroll wheel like the ones in MX Master. The mouse definitely can add more programmable buttons for easy mac gestures on the side. Other than these complaints, MX vertical is an amazing ergonomic mouse.

My complaint about the MX Master 3 is the forward and back buttons are not stacked. I find myself hitting the back button because I’m use to them being on top of each other. Also when hovering over open windows the MX3 does not switch to what I’m hovering like the older MX mouse and I undo things I have done using the back button, especially in excel. Small things that will I will have get used to. Other wise the MX3 is still hands down for real work IMO.

Bought the Tecknet ergonomic mouse - brand spotted when pausing your video - thanks for the intel, hope this doesnt affect your logitec sponsorship ;)

Given that your definition of the perfect mouse is basically a smaller MX Master 3, it would have been interesting to hear exactly what makes it better than the Master 3. Was it just the pinky finger placement?

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

Watch the video and listen to what I said. Size is important but I picked shape over size and price. £14 over £100+ for a mouse that didn't do everything I wanted.

@d.tenser

3 жыл бұрын

@@techloto Got it, so price and shape. I did watch, but I guess it didn't seem obvious to me at first. I agree, 100 quid is a lot to pay for if you aren't getting a massive improvement.

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

@@d.tenser sorry if I sounded a bit snarky but yes that the point really the price quality didn't justify the price lol

@glo1168

3 жыл бұрын

@@d.tenser how they hell did you reply from a whole different account

7:23 What do you mean by just make "with the sensor"?

@7:18 What does he mean he needs a mouse with a "sensor"? Is he talking like... a kind of small track pad on the side of the mouse where the ball is you could use to move the pointer around?

@techloto

3 жыл бұрын

I meant remove the trackball and add a sensor.

@nolisanjose

3 жыл бұрын

@@techloto , then does it become an ordinary mouse and not a trackball anymore? I also don't understand what you meant by that. btw, I like that you described the ergonomic aspects very well. fyi, I have the MX Ergo for several years now and it's perfect for me (with my big hands). That's why I'm intrigued with your "sensor" issue.