Really liking the revised sequence (ascending mana value order)!

@MSUHitman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I will place a positive vote for that as well.

@casparash5370

3 жыл бұрын

It's a level up 4 sure

@astrolonim2032

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@MasterCrvo

3 жыл бұрын

Here here

@CampbellYoungblood

3 жыл бұрын

I actually got super confused because they reverted to alphabetical on the artifacts and thought they missed a bunch haha

Coming back into Magic after 2 years off - Limited Resources is ALWAYS my first stop returning!

@lorenzohot5234

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@DawsDaws860

3 жыл бұрын

Right there with you

@DawsDaws860

3 жыл бұрын

Game is sooooo different

@thoventhegamer1526

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome back!

@joelalejandrogarciahernand5572

3 жыл бұрын

Best way to return is draft! Welcome back

Marshall's joy at reading these "You ___" cards is a) very fun to watch and b) making me like them more

Hey guys, love the content and have watched the show for years-- I just wanted to give you some easy constructive feedback. If you start with a 00:00 timestamp in your description before the rest of them, KZread will put the "Chapters" in the actual video so people can click the bits of the video they want to skip to.

@casparash5370

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know!

“Teleporting right into my sideboard.” Best line of the review for Blink Dog.

@WhiteLotusOfLight

3 жыл бұрын

No way, "It's just gravy, delicious cat gravy". I need to know more about Luis's cat gravy recipes.

@ZartaxtheWise

3 жыл бұрын

Blink Dog is actually surprisingly good in the right deck. Carries equipment very well as well as counters. But if you have neither of those it's not very good.

@Nightknight1992

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZartaxtheWise ive already played a lot of boros aggro stuff, blink dog always feels too slow and the 40th card to add if you must.

So, how long until Marshall is in a streamed D&D game?

3:43:36 "Steal its Eyes" is a reference to the cover of the 1st edition AD & D Player's Handbook.

3:53:21 *"So he's got 6 intelligence which is the intelligence of your average youtube commentator"* I feel attacked.

@MasterCrvo

3 жыл бұрын

Roll your save vs. taking it personally

@casparash5370

3 жыл бұрын

@@MasterCrvo Bwahahahah

I don't even play mtg anymore and I still watch these everytime they come out :)

@Kettwiesel25

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me a bit sad to relate to that, but yeah.

@kavugoz321

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kettwiesel25 yeah I feel you man, I just lost my want to play mtg years ago but I still find limited set reviews fun to listen to and try to figure it all out with them and of course this one's the best :P

@Kettwiesel25

3 жыл бұрын

@@kavugoz321 Don't wanna sound too sad ;) Coronavirus is going away and I will be playing again soon. Still, I sometimes feel like I'm taking so much time preparing for something I basicly don't do anymore.

love this content! I feel like it's the only video I need to watch before my first draft or sealed in the set! If i humbly may make a suggestion, add your rankings for each card visually! it would be awesome especially for someone rushing through the video! thanks again!

Thanks so much for the set review. So great to hear y’all’s thoughts

I just found you guys and have mad respect

@comedy2er

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, the OG limited content that aged like wine. These guys have some great personalities and play well off each other.

Very nice as always. Goes without saying but having the cards displayed in the video helps a lot. Thanks for all that editing work on a long video :)

Having played the card, can confirm that you get to decide on Split The Party

@mikegreenleaf1499

3 жыл бұрын

Does it get around hexproof? It doesn't read like the spell targets any of the creatures being bounced.

@ChiefLibrarianAhriman

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikegreenleaf1499 Didn't come up in the scenario I used it, so couldn't tell you

@Kettwiesel25

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikegreenleaf1499 it does. Not that I tried it but it doesn't target the creatures, so Hexproof can't stop it. I mean, Hexproof on the player does stop it, but let's hope your opponent doesn't play the bad guard.

@TheKaijudist

3 жыл бұрын

It does get around hexproof. You only target a player but choose the creatures at resolution.

Stellar jobs guys…KUDOS THANKS FOR THE COLOR TIMESTAMPS!!

This set looks like a lot of fun

As an avid DnD player I have soooo been looking forward to this! :D

Thanks for the review!

I'm really late on this but the owner of "Split the party" gets to choose which cards bounce as it doesn't say "the controller" or "the owner" + " of the creatures". Basically if a spell or ability doesn't define another player then it is always the controller of the spell or ability (tho be careful when it comes to activated "enchantment - aura" abilities as they usually don't have the ability themself but instead gives the permanent they are attached to the ability)

Thank you as always for the excellent content!

+2 Mace is even nerdier: it is what Gary Gygax gave to Fry in a Futurama episode. I'm sure that's why they chose it over Longsword or another weapon.

I just noticed that Moon Blessed Cleric can also hit the Theros gods, which flavor wise makes sense since Divine Intervention has the cleric asking a favor from their deity.

Seriously some of the best commons ever printed. Owlbear is just so good. Elturgard Ranger!!! Delver's Torch?! Feign Death?! Sylvan Shepard!!!!??? so many other killer examples. Loving this set yall.

Dragon's fire is pretty good. I found myself with a dragon in hand more often than I expected while playing heavy red decks last night.

I love the Grim Wanderer being basically an Edgelord PC

Fly performed amazing in my blue/red.

Aaaaaaaaaaand there goes my night. Thanks for the content gents!

Wild shape seems really good in a black green deck. If you are playing the rogues in black, the trample allows you to get damage through and the deathtouch black creatures can be a beating on the spider mode.

I don't know if it was considered during the grading, but Split the Party has great synergy with the blue removal (Ray of Frost and Charmed Sleep). Locking down one or two creatures and then bouncing the rest can be ridiculous. Shouldn't be too hard to line up either.

finally great to hear a podcast not whine about the choose one cards flavor text. great show as always

Funny the exact same scenario with breunor battlehammer, plate Mail, and paladin happened to me. I quickly scooped lol

Giving Ingenious Smith an F will prove to be really, really off. Not only will the equipment deck happily run 6+ equipments, but you also have Cloister Gargoyle and Iron Golem, some of the best artifact creatures you could hope for. If you have 10 artifacts in your deck, Ingenious Smith is clearly a B+ tier card.

Goblin Javelineer + the artifact that gives creatures deathtouch. Its been a real combo so far

Any chance we will see black/red as the base for a 5 color archetype with all the treasures floating around?

I've done 8 or 9 drafts - tip of the iceberg for a format I know - but I'm seeing a lot of blue cards play Secret Door to hold off the early rush from almost every other deck, quite effectively. They hold off I want to say all non-flying 2 and 3 drops that arent buffed

this show is strangely really good

Green Dragon might not be big on it's own but I deffo will try some mass removal combo with that thing. All that it needs is some cheap 1 damage to all creatures.

I'm happy that most cards got C rating and very few were D or worse. Drafting a set with few clunkers and lots of viable options is soooo much more pleasing.

@herpderp66

3 жыл бұрын

Their rates are way off. This set is full of vanilla fillers. It really does play like a core set.

Very excited for cfb events to come back then you can have my money again

Ingenious Smith has actually been incredible for me in 2 decks so far with 7-8 artifacts in them, I think I've hit the etb 3 out of 4 times. Goes very well with Paladin Shield.

As someone that knows nothing ahout D+D. I hope all of you that love both games REALLY enjoy this set. Me personally, I am assuming dungeons aee actually insane after experiencing the value of learn/lesson.

Marshall NEEDS to play some D&D now

Do you guys ever make a spreadsheet or something of all your cards / ratings after the videos? I'm a total limited noob, so am considering doing it myself when i have off-time at work :D

The fact Mordenkainen's Polymorph gives flying can be pretty useful, it's not much of a downside on your opponent's creatures because you can do it after blocks, and making like a bear into a 4/4 flyer is pretty powerful, it also works well with double strike and equipment. I think it's at least a D, if not a C.

I hate that the mace doesn't equip for 2

@Nightknight1992

3 жыл бұрын

to be fair probably a playtesting nerf to a pretty decent aggro archtype

One cool trick is that the Venture cards can also gain you life. Room 1 of Mad Mage and Room 3 of Phandelver both gain life, so Venture can be solid with the life gain decks.

After begrudgingly including a Greataxe as a 23rd playable, and somehow going 3-0(6-0), I'm convinced it's more like a solid D than an F. Combining with a flyer the equip cost is almost like casting Lava Axe.

Love all the flavor comments even at the cost of a lenght of 4h 30m

Thank you boys! Great insight as always

1:48:12 While there is anecdotal evidence that Marshall's pronunciation is what Gary Gygax said, both pronunciations are accepted.

Marshall's opinion on "Fly". "This is a Cowards Stream...".

I took a break from magic for a couple months. Almost back to plat 4 and I've seen people venture into the dungeon twice.

Does someone have a table with all the ratings they gave?

mimic dodges a lot of removal, plus there's activation threat, people for some reason attack into it with 2 power attackers a bunch, maybe that will get less common as it gets more known, then again, even if they don't now you can spend the mana on some other instant, a bit of a gandalf card maybe but either way i wouldn't give it an F

dungeon map is epic when you're board stalled, you get to do something with the venturing if you drew a land eg even scry to not draw another so you don't loose to flood

@clagen86

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely feels like the top tier common of the set. Great mana sink that also provides ramp. It has been over performing for me thus far in sealed.

@A2Jmusic

3 жыл бұрын

IT'S A TRAP!

Very interesting listening to this 20+ drafts in!!! Venture turned out to be insane!!!

Minimus= chain to the rocks, or a similar vein Windseer: come on B-. Scry 1.8 darn near a card. 4mana 3/3 flying draw a card= C+?

I'm at 1:00:35 and Luis is killing me with these Yawns. I might have to take a nap 😴

Really sad that LSV didn't note that shocking grasp is a cantrip in DnD and now it's a cantrip in magic because it's a spell draws a card.

@WontonTV

3 жыл бұрын

HA i actually didn't notice cause Shocking Grasp was 1st level in older editions

@NoxLegend1

3 жыл бұрын

Isn’t magic missle a cantrip in D&D. Shouldnt it be a cantrip in magic?

@Jogemian

3 жыл бұрын

@@NoxLegend1 magic missile is a 1st level spell

Action starts at 6:45.

I think they are sleeping on Ingenious Smith. There are so many good artifacts in this set at common and uncommon. In an equipment centric deck, its going to be great.

@ShuyiNMetroiD

3 жыл бұрын

the problem is that the card just looks at the top 4 cards. so you need 10 artifacts in your draft deck to see 1 artifact on average. but even more to trigger it most of the time and get a lot of counters on him. you can't put to much equip in your deck & the common/uncommon non-equip artifacts are mostly trash.

@A2Jmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Smith easily becomes a 3/3 quick with any equipment and treasure. DEFINITELY slept on. Plus the flash artifacts make it tricky!

I have been very unimpressed with the dungeons... granted, I haven't really gotten them to really pay off in a handful of drafts. They really fall flat compared to lessons and especially contraptions. I think they just ended up watered down. It is a really cool mechanic and I really like the idea. I would like to see more dungeons released in the future, especially once R&D gets some feedback and can make them more relevant without being BrOko. Building an EDH deck around dungeon crawls would be a blast for sure. That would be a ridiculously fun deck to pilot.

@sebastianbate7835

3 жыл бұрын

I got the same feeling in regards to dungeons, they feel underpowered. Like tomb of annihilation, it punishes you so much to end up having a 4/4 deathtouch creature... I think that creature should have had menace as well to be viable

@A2Jmusic

3 жыл бұрын

BROS! they give everyone access to treasure and thus splashing. It makes all the creatures that incidentally venture so good

ohhh boy, gonna need some coffee for this one! Can't do a single draft until watching this!

Marshall 100% correct on Fly

time to force white, people will completly underestimate ingenious smith now :D

@A2Jmusic

3 жыл бұрын

haha indeed super slept on with all the treasure flying around

I think rangers hawk is bad because it's sorc speed. Leave you open to attacks.

4:00:55 is so precious

Is the Bulette the worst designed D&D creature in this set? The original D&D Bulette was 10'-12' long, had 9HD with an Armor Class of -2 (I believe that's equivalent to 22). Their front feet hit for 3d6 and their bite does 4d12 and their special attack is that they can jump 8' into the air with blinding speed attacking with all 4 feet, each doing 3d6 damage. Lastly, it's not a Beast, it's a Land Shark. To not put this as Creature Type Land Shark seems to me to be the most egregious error. So here's how I would've designed it: Bulette: 5/7 for Mana Cost 3GG. Vigilance. When it blocks or is blocked, you may tap it to give it double strike. What do you all think?

Price of loyalty, just give it a build around grade!!!!

I did 4 drafts already and class cards are BONKERS. Especially cleric and wizard.

@clagen86

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't drafted much yet with this set but somebody in the constructed play queue went OFF with the Bard class and like every Legendary creature in Standard

@A2Jmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Hm! i have only been impressed with Ranger cuz it makes a wolf

Clattering Skeletons flavor win: If you kill them, you can venture further into the dungeon.

Pegasus wearing plate armor becomes Mahamoti Djinn

Dragons: color-coded for your convenience.

1st day and dungeons already way stronger then anyone thought

@JFlynn1207

3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to check it out on Arena tonight when I get off work!

split the party is great. if they have 3 creature you bounce their 2 best creatures.

Welp, there goes the evening

split the party is no cyclonic rift

Morden-kane-in for sure

I think you guys might be sleeping on Dawnbringer Cleric. The class cards are enchantments, so it gets to randomly snipe class cards outside the lifegain deck. Everyone is going to be playing enchantments and sinking mana into them.

@ShuyiNMetroiD

3 жыл бұрын

not counting "find the path" and "precipitious drop" black, red, and green only have their 3 class cards as (un)common enchantments. if someone plays BR, BG, RG and didn't get to pick or didn't draw these classes the dawnbringer cleric is just 1/3 gain 2 outside of lifegain decks. therefore maindeck in the lifegain deck, sideboard in the other white decks.

Delicious cat gravy

Is no one talking about how a Bag of Holding can loot a Portable Hole in this game without catastrophic effects?

1> I am very surprised that Marshall doesn't play D&D 2> There were some great flavor cards, but there were also some *serious* flavor fails

Luis> +2 weapons arent rare, but they arent common, I mean they go up to +5 (or higher in earlier editions). The fair for me: In D&D, a +2 weapon of an sort doesnt help yuo on defense or make you tougher. It should just be +2/+0, and maybe equip 1 or Equip W perhaps?

You Find the Villains Lair is definitely not a D. I'm not saying it's better than a C but LSV has always said two mediocre effects in one generally makes a decent card and I think that's the case here. It's a counter spell that cycles to shape your hand, sure it's technically card disadvantage but it's not hard to pitch some lands and turn them into real cards.

20:15 (My bookmark)

There are a lot more dragons in the set than what you might thing... just wait til you see the dragoborn :P

"Delicious cat gravy." - LSV

blue dragon should have it's ability called "Blizzard Breath" because their attackers will have a hard time seeing through the blizzard...

@hyousai

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with that is that blue dragons live in the desert and breathe lightning.

Nice

6:43

-looks at vid length- Nice.

4:20

Krydle has won me so many games in limited.

When a card says to "put an additional +1/+1 counter on a creature when it enters the battlefield," does that mean creatures only get the counter IF they already were receiving a +1/+1 counter? I assumed it worked that way, but the way Luis talks about the mechanic makes it seem all creatures you control that enter the battlefield receive the +1/+1 counter. I thought the word 'additional' being included in the text means it only works for creatures already receiving a counter when they enter the BF.

@ben_clifford

3 жыл бұрын

It just means put a counter on when it enters. Wizards updated the wording on that back around 2008.

@Oshidashi

3 жыл бұрын

@@ben_clifford thank you for explaining!

@sephirothsadvent

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oshidashi they use that language so people will know it comes with another counter of its already coming with some number of counters.

@Oshidashi

3 жыл бұрын

@@sephirothsadvent very well, makes sense, thank you!

I love tragic backstory

luis seems to be much higher on venturing than marshall. im leaning towards marshall tbh.

@ben_clifford

3 жыл бұрын

Think of venturing as scry 1 with upside, then it makes sense

@A2Jmusic

3 жыл бұрын

venturing is nuts yall!

Lurking Roper - this has to be a pun about roping trying to infinite combo with this right? just need something to let it tap to gain life (possibly not relevant in limited i guess), not many cards reference mtga though so that's kinda neat

Gretchen gonna the be the mythic uncommon in 2 months

Slight flavour fail the spike trap kills all the dragons...

Its a shame mimic is so bad, it be cool if it some interaction with your opponent useing treasure Like you can flash it out as a 2/2 if your opponent sacrificed a treasure or something