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@user-bp8cu3eh4x

10 ай бұрын

Dave proves he has no credibility by giving omega ospreay a 6 meaning best match ever despite the fact it had such a hokey ending where callis was thrown out and managed to come back enabling omega to lose without really putting ospreay over clean. No matter what you can’t call that the best match ever. Especially since he gave rock hogan a 3 so it’s half as better

@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL

10 ай бұрын

@@user-bp8cu3eh4x his ruined his own rules with the 6 and 7 star stuff.

@fatfactorcreation

10 ай бұрын

Stuttering John is a total mess

Kenny Omega having 20 5 star matches from Meltzer and Kurt Angle having 0 shows how much of a clown Meltzer is

@IamjustBruh

10 ай бұрын

That one match he gave 5 stars was Keith Lee vs Donovan Dijak in PWG. It still baffles me to this day

@TheSilverEagle

10 ай бұрын

Meltzer has always been a fkn clown.

@tomsmall1244

10 ай бұрын

Or it just means that he likes Kenny Omega’s style more. It’s all a matter of opinion. Everyone likes what they like

@Gokulosestoavirus

10 ай бұрын

@@tomsmall1244 True, but the problem with Dave is that he is able to vote for Hall of Fame’s and his rating system carries merits for those to get into. Kenny Omega is in those Hall of Fames due to his approval rating of Dave. While Kurt has a harder time for those Hall of Fames because of lack of 5 star matches. That’s a major problem. Dave is more than welcomed to have his opinion but he has to be subjective to matches. There’s zero reasons on various Hall of Fames for wrestling for Angle to not have such a rating. He’s overlooked on the scales when certain of Hall of Fame want star ratings. And that’s why a majority hate his ratings and when he gives Omega so much. Rock vs Hogan is only 3 stars? His reasoning was other wrestlers could do the exact same match. Show me a match that had a crowd on those levels, that alone makes it 5 star and worthy of Hall of Fame recognition. But Dave having so much control. A match like that wouldn’t get honored and used as a teaching tool for future wrestlers. Which is a shame.

@tomsmall1244

10 ай бұрын

@@Gokulosestoavirus Thank you for such a well thought out and well written response. You make a great point. If Kurt is not getting into HOFs because of a lack of Meltzer-rated 5 star matches, that’s a shame.

Dave is a master at talking of extended periods of time without actually saying anything.

@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL

10 ай бұрын

is it MIND BLOWING.

@Robby_C

10 ай бұрын

@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL second to none.

@FilmThePoliceFTP

10 ай бұрын

I can’t listen… you know I mean he just goes on and on, and he never.. ya know he just talks and talks and it’s a lot of, ya know, and it’s like he just gives his ya know… and believe me, he’s full of… I feel like he just… ya know

@FilmThePoliceFTP

10 ай бұрын

I mean, like, yeah… ya know

@AxeDharme

10 ай бұрын

So basically Disco?

Chris Van Vliet is the best interviewer IMO. The guy never insults his guests. Chris always asks follow up questions when the person that he's talking to attempts to change the subject.

@Deans-jm3uf

10 ай бұрын

I thought he was just really good at softball interviews but his pushback here was impressive

@positively_broad_st3780

10 ай бұрын

James Romero of WSI is really good too...

@d.52555

10 ай бұрын

I always enjoy his “what are three things you’re grateful for” question at the end of each interview. Really nice touch

@j86485

10 ай бұрын

@@d.52555 Na that part is gay, I hate that

@deathmauler181

10 ай бұрын

@@Deans-jm3uf he's far better at interviewing than most cause most would get angry at Dave's bullshit

Lets face it. Meltzer just gives his friends 5 stars and if he doesnt like you, you are getting 4 stars no matter what

@necroreefer

10 ай бұрын

The reason Kurt Angle doesn't have any 5-star matches is because he would ask people like the Undertaker Arn Anderson or Pat Patterson for advice instead of Dave.

@ondoidlifestyle5754

10 ай бұрын

@@necroreefer😂😂😂😂😂

@prj7894

10 ай бұрын

yeah jericho didn't have any 5 star matches till he was in wwe but the moment he leaves his first subpar match gets 5 stars .....what a mark

@thehmc

10 ай бұрын

And his ratings never meant anything. Just a fanboy with a dorky opinion.

@thepubknight6144

10 ай бұрын

​@@prj7894 Jericho had some classics in Wcw and Wwf/WWE Dave is indeed a Indy Mark

This is why I like Chris Van Vliet, he isn't a big mark like the other super-biased journalists. But most of all, I was surprised by his patience towards Meltzer trying to form a proper sentence. You know Chris had him with that question and Dave was quickly trying to come up with an excuse.

@gregofthelake

10 ай бұрын

CVV just kept pointing out the holes in the logic when Meltzer was trying to stumble and mumble his way through his non answer answers. I agree with Cornette's point that Meltzer decided that Omega and the Bucks were the top of wrestling and he makes his results support that.

@olaakande5581

10 ай бұрын

CVV is a mark. Nothing wrong with that. The difference is he’s a real journalist.

Kurt Angle never having five stars and Dave going "mmmmkay so?" Immediately DQs his system

@antione

10 ай бұрын

He doesn’t have a system or formula, did you not hear him stumbling over his words in this clip? Lmao

@c3hit14o

10 ай бұрын

Kurt vs Shane was 5 star match.

@justinczech1489

10 ай бұрын

@@c3hit14o it definitely should be. The fact that it isn't discredits the whole list

@andygarza8132

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. It’s us, the people, that keep giving Dave a fucking platform. He’s an over glorified keyboard warrior. Just cause he’s old in the business, doesn’t make his opinion the gold standard. It makes him just super self important. I have never agreed with his ratings and have never thought he was a good reviewer. YET, the wrestling community still talks about him and his overconflated opinions.

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

@@justinczech1489 No it doesn't lol. Yes, WWE deserves a lot more 5 stars and yes his AEW ratings are suspect but his southern territory and Japan ratings are 100% spot on.

CVV is a legit wrestling interviewer. He's a fan, but not a dweeb. He does great interviews.

How anyone can listen to this and take Meltzer seriously on anything ever again is beyond me.

@BSultimate

10 ай бұрын

Just needed someone to hold his bollox to the fire

Judging by meltzer’s star rating Rick Flair is a child compared to Nick Jackson. This is just insanity.

@mayson9817

10 ай бұрын

Who’s Nick Jackson ?

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

Meltzers always been a Flair mark, Flair did the first 5 star match.

Unlike other journalists/influencers that aré total Marks, Chris seems like a chill guy that just happens to be a huge wrestling fan and isnt biased...

@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL

10 ай бұрын

the reason why he's not good is that wrestling isn't his whole life, he's not a nerd. He just so happens to be a wrestling fan as well as having his real life job.

@ChorizoPringoso

10 ай бұрын

​​​@@KeepinIt100OFFICIALthat's why hes good to me, hes probably the only one that doesnt have a hate boner for Vince Russo or Román Reigns

@PJ20091000

10 ай бұрын

Chris cares, which makes him a great journalist.

@PirateJohnson

10 ай бұрын

​@@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL, Actually never been a Britt Baker fan, for that reason.

@LanternSpawn

10 ай бұрын

​@@PirateJohnson that and she's the very definition of mid. There are tons of women on that roster who don't get the attention she gets and it's kind of a slap of a slap in the face of much more deserving talent.

the crazy thing is that Meltzer gets called out all the time these days yet there are still fans who insist that he's the number 1 source in the world for wrestling news.

@joesmoe8841

10 ай бұрын

True and his news is undependable because he’s talking to one side of a situation.

@liamstewart4472

10 ай бұрын

@@joesmoe8841 exactly man. Meltzer doesn't report the news, he reports his opinion but passes it off as news. Remember how back in 2021, he reported that MSG was struggling to sell tickets despite the fact that it was 100% sold out?

@totallykoolyeah

10 ай бұрын

CultCulture

@thepubknight6144

10 ай бұрын

​@@totallykoolyeah The issue is the Meltzer mark channels on here like Adam Blampied, WrestleLamia, What Culture, and Jd from NY who view his opinion like it's the holy grail

@mrsl262

10 ай бұрын

Even though it's entertaining as hell when all the guys in the business call him out on his BS, I just wish they'd stop paying any more attention to him.

Dave Meltzer is the greatest worker in the business, for 30 + has been convincing marks he has a clue about pro wrestling despite exposing his bias for non American pro wrestling constantly. Hats off

@thepubknight6144

10 ай бұрын

And his love for spots to a spot , false finishes that make no sense, 50/50 booking , no build swerves, kicking out of finishers for a cheap pop that gets no one over and buries the talents

@Yotsukaido

10 ай бұрын

Hi Al🖐

@myquest666420

10 ай бұрын

Found Al Snow’s burner

@goldenserenity2385

10 ай бұрын

Dave is just a fan

@smellywaffels1967

10 ай бұрын

Just because he likes non American wrestling better doesn’t mean a thing. I like most things like food, movies and music from other countries way more than American ones. Not everything in America is the best.

Kurt not having any 5 star match automatically makes his ratings irrelevant

@LJ_in_VR

10 ай бұрын

100% my thoughts exactly

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

Kurt peaked when the business was declining and Meltzer was more into mma. Besides, none of you dorks criticizing the list have seen even a fraction of the matches on it.

I watched the video of this whole interview, Meltzer was visible panicking because Vliet went silent and just let Meltzer ramble on. CVV hit a home run with this one, he seems like a cool guy.

WWE has had *9* 5 star matches in their entire existence. AEW has had *21 IN 4 YEARS* 🤓

@CompoundInterest1982

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's insane 💀 and with the 21 supposed 5 star matches, still can't break a million consistently.

@christhompson4660

10 ай бұрын

The Larry David face in your profile pic is perfect with that stat.

@user-mu2mp8ll6c

10 ай бұрын

Suck it flair and steamboat and savage and angle and Michaels....

@thepubknight6144

10 ай бұрын

​@@christhompson4660 Eh it's pretty, pretty, pretty good

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

@@CompoundInterest1982 Popularity isn't quality. Oscar-winning movies are rarely blockbusters.

Chris Van Vilet is THE best wrestling interview around today. He asks excellent questions. I hope that Disco Inferno is taking notes on Chris' skills: don't interrupt the guests, ask original questions, don't make the interview all about you.

@bash8387

10 ай бұрын

lol it’s true

@Eloh_Dragons

10 ай бұрын

Disco’s style is his gimmick

@fastestgorilla7971

10 ай бұрын

@@Eloh_Dragons ok but it's not good for the show. I stopped listening to the podcast, I just stick to KZread clips incase of of the titles catch my interest.

when I found out that Orange Cassidy vs Adam Cole got a higher rating than The Rock vs Hulk Hogan then Dave ceased to exist in the real world for me.

@sharronpeters7753

10 ай бұрын

I personally didn't care about Hulk/Rock much and I saw it live. I would put those two matches about even. Extremely predictable and Hulk is a mid-level physical performer at best even in his prime. Even the crowd being for Hulk was not a surprise at all. This channel (especially Disco) really cannot wrap its mind around others having different opinions and preferences in an art form that is about the most subjective and feelings-based medium for story-telling on the planet. It blows my mind people even have to ask if Dave prefers a certain style and is biased.... is he a human being? ....then OF COURSE lol.

@loooooooongstanding2141

10 ай бұрын

@@sharronpeters7753 he's a total shit, he HATES that people aren't marks on the same level as him.

@rooze69

10 ай бұрын

@@sharronpeters7753 definitely is a difference of opinion which is all good. To me though, for the Hulk/Rock match as an example, I believe that a match like that with a ton of atmosphere and seeing two mega stars square off when that was maybe never believed it would happen, will live in your mind way longer than a typical match now loaded with high spots. I'll admit that those matches are entertaining as hell, but w/out much of a story, they'll be lost in the shuffle with the next set of matches which have similar things. That's just my opinion though.

@marcespinoza6068

10 ай бұрын

If it doesn't have a ton of flips or false finishes it's not a good match apparently.

@sharronpeters7753

10 ай бұрын

@@rooze69 You made that match sound like the monumental moment it was my friend! The difference btw Disco and, I is ego IMO...I wouldn't say either are better, I just prefer one. I wouldn't try to find a way to do mental gymnastics to elevate my opinion beyond anything other than my opinion. Tons of research is showing that a third-person perspective is actually advantageous to having "done it yourself" (think about how often someone next to you while you are doing something, sees the problem). So Disco acting like being a wrestler elevates his opinion over someone watching thousands of hours of wrestling and learning everything they can PLUS being involved in the business and matches ect... cracks me up.

Kenny Omega over 10 5 star matches Eddie Guerrero 0 5 star matches. Metzler is a AEW stooge.

didn't it come out that in 4 years, Meltzer has given AEW more 5 star ratings than the entire history of WWE and WCW combined?

@SSJ2Phenom

10 ай бұрын

I think it was that AEW, since it's inception, has had more 4+ star rated matches than all of American wrestling from 1980-2010 COMBINED. Anyone that tries to say Meltzer isn't biased and is dependable is either a mark or lying.

@gimmiebackmybike1831

10 ай бұрын

@@SSJ2Phenom he has done more damage to AEW than good, i think his over praise has turned people away from watching.

@ShaneTumminello

10 ай бұрын

@@gimmiebackmybike1831Somewhat but I think the real thing that has turned most people away from AEW is how the diehard portion of the fan base refuses to acknowledge any of the glaringly obvious shortcomings in the product.

@drobinson-uo7ic

10 ай бұрын

​@@ShaneTumminelloI think the AEW niche fans just validate each other's opinion and their voices and opinions are very loud inside the "echo chamber".

@ShaneTumminello

10 ай бұрын

@@drobinson-uo7ic Definitely. They defended Ibushi’s botches saying it added realism to the match lol. That’s the kinda stuff they do.

At 2:40 Dave says the risks these AEW guys take scares him. DAVE THEN STOP REWARDING THEM WITH STARS FOR DOING THE WRONG BEHAVIOR. They care too much about this one fans opinion and are doing those risks for him and their friends in the back when us normal fans would prefer a non video game match with less acrobats and more selling and psychology and want them to get home safe at night. When one of these guys with all the stars gets permanently hurt Dave won't remember them and those stars won't pay their bills.

@willmarkley4237

10 ай бұрын

For example Omega vs Ospreay should get 0 stars not 6. Then they learn not to use moves that could paralyze themselves.

@imfreviews

10 ай бұрын

But then who would feed him information and make him feel like a part of the business?

@willmarkley4237

10 ай бұрын

@@imfreviews Terry Taylor will wear a fake moustache and be an under cover janitor.

@pandavelli8176

10 ай бұрын

@@willmarkley4237 😂 🤣 😂 that’s a good one dude 😂 Terry “the Stooge” Taylor

@ec5018

10 ай бұрын

@@willmarkley4237make it fair give them 4 stars too

Metlzer...4 star matches are just as good as 5 matches Also Meltzer....5 star matches are a different animal

@user-mu2mp8ll6c

10 ай бұрын

Ya know

Dave rated the recent Blood and Guts match the same as he rated HBK vs UT WM25

@Thurmanatr16

10 ай бұрын

Dave needs professional help for his mental issues.

Trivia question: Has Dave Meltzer ever finished his own sentence without interrupting himself?

@Florida_Cracker

10 ай бұрын

You tell me

@yvngdxtr6166

9 ай бұрын

And well i w-YA KNOW UM

His ratings are subjective, which I can accept and don't expect some perfect system. But, it's obvious that Meltzer is handing out 5 stars like raindrops these days when they used to be rare. And, bonuses stars if you are nice to Dave and make him feel like your his friend.

Much respect for CVV. He gained a fan

I said it when Cornette reviewed the interview as well. If Dave would just get over himself, and admit that he gives better ratings to his friends and the people who feed him information, I *might* have some respect for him, instead of trying to establish some kind of legitimacy for the rating system and maintain his 'stature' and 'relevancy'.

@elite-wrestling-figs7013

10 ай бұрын

They’re not my friends… I would probably rank all his 5 Star matches the same way if it was my decision.. I would have some that he doesn’t but most wrestling fans agree what a really good match is

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

I doubt Misawa, Manami Toyota, Gunther, Shingo Tagaki or Will Ospreay have ever given Dave info.

Dave gave 4.75 stars to Blood and Guts match which was one of the worst cage matches in wrestling history, this is the same rating as Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker, let that sink in.

@thepubknight6144

10 ай бұрын

That he openly called overrated too smh

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

The first hiac got 5 stars.

This was the greatest thing I ever heard! The only thing he didn't ask him is why he is so biased against WWE? lol

@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL

10 ай бұрын

that question doesn't need to be asked, we all know the answer.

@justinczech1489

10 ай бұрын

In a round about way he actually did

@CompoundInterest1982

10 ай бұрын

​@@KeepinIt100OFFICIALThat's a really good response ✅️

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

He explained why in the interview - their style is predictable and boring.

I think we should have a Mumble-off, between Dave Meltzer and Disco… For the Undisputed MARBLE MOUTH CHAMPION

Dave Meltzer lost all credibility in rating matches. When he exposed his bias with AEW. It blows my mind that he threw away everything for this company.

@actuallynotsteve

10 ай бұрын

Once he became friends with the Japanese-based American wrestlers, the ship sailed to the orient

@maraviyoso8473

10 ай бұрын

Dave Meltzer should've never had ANY credibility. Ever.

@actuallynotsteve

10 ай бұрын

@@maraviyoso8473 he earned his spot back in like the 80s or whatever, but he's gone so far off the rails it's insane. Jim was right to distance himself

@thehmc

10 ай бұрын

He never had any in the first place. It's just that wrestling nerds are dumb.

@jamesonbolen9058

10 ай бұрын

He didn't he's been doing it for years. Indies & NJPW. And Tony Khan was a kayfabe fantasy Booker until Dad ponied up the money..

Konnan kills me "your beard has major heat with me"😂 I might actually respect Meltzer if he admitted he was biased to his friends who taylor their matches to him and name moves after him. What chumps

So basically without saying the words Dave pretty much said he only gives his friends 5 stars..

@iamthedave3

10 ай бұрын

Wasn't aware that he's friends with Kazuchika Okada.

@SjC420

10 ай бұрын

@@iamthedave3 probably is, wouldn't be shocked at all. U don't think it's weird Kenny Omega has like 20 5 star matches but Undertaker vs HBK from WrestleMania 25 or Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit from Royal Rumble 03 or Kurt Angle vs HBK from WrestleMania 21 aren't 5 star matches?

@SjC420

10 ай бұрын

@@iamthedave3 probably is, wouldn't be shocked at all. U don't think it's weird Kenny Omega has like 20 5 star matches but Undertaker vs HBK from WrestleMania 25 or Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit from Royal Rumble 03 or Kurt Angle vs HBK from WrestleMania 21 aren't 5 star matches?

@iamthedave3

10 ай бұрын

@@SjC420 Not especially. The scale's changed. Once he broke it with the 6/7 star matches, 5s don't mean what they once did. Dave's said this a few times. But everyone just focuses on the number and gets irrationally angry. Which is weird, because it doesn't matter. If a match is 4*s or above, it's probably worth checking out. That's it. Dave definitely likes athletic wrestling, but that's not a surprise. He's said for decades that lucha libre is his favourite style. So of course a much more hard-hitting kind of lucha libre - which is basically what the BUcks do - is going to hit his happy spot. But he equally likes hard-hitting brawls. So long as he's not SHITTING on wrestlers that aren't wrestling his favourite style (he doesn't) who cares? It's not like people don't get their due. It comes down to people being angry that dave didn't like their favourite wrestler ENOUGH. Which is the dumbest thing to be angry over.

@SjC420

10 ай бұрын

@@iamthedave3 yeah & who did he change the scale for? Kenny. Why? Cuz Kenny is his friend.

There is no way Dave Meltzer missed the word count for any of his essays in college 😅

@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL

10 ай бұрын

NICE!

@nickhughes8179

10 ай бұрын

I used Meltzer speak to go over word counts too. Teachers hate extra reading. They see a bunch of big words, they throw an A- or B+ on there depending on spelling and grammer and boom, I didn’t have to do Shakespeare to pass the grade.

When Kurt freakin' Angle doesn't have one 5 star match in his entire career your rating system is beyond flawed. Kurt vs HBK at Mania is one of my favorite matches of all time and is better than every match that Omega has ever had.

@ThaTruth223

10 ай бұрын

him vs shane too if we wanna go by Dave’s logic

@sx2ap

10 ай бұрын

His Royal Rumble 2003 match with Chris Benoit is a 5 star classic too.

@kevinlee9929

10 ай бұрын

​@@sx2apKurt's best match IMO

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

Nah, no one who's seen Omega vs. Naito thinks it's worse than HBK vs. Angle. You're lying, dude.

@marcespinoza6068

9 ай бұрын

@@duckmercy11 Step out of your bubble, you'd be surprised what's out there.

I agree 100% with DI. The fundamentals in this generation is nowhere near the 80’s and 90’s. Watch Bret Hart, watch Benoit, Angle, Eddie and others. The current generation aren’t in the same league.

@thepubknight6144

10 ай бұрын

And thing is Metzler marks , hardcores and casuals all like Bret Hart , Eddie and Angle Because they had it all Plus they were CHARACTERS, knew how to play to the crowd as a face or heel , understood they gotta protect themselves as well as their opponents and they knew how to tell stories inside and outside of the ring in promos Which disproves Metzler and smarks'"Y'all just like muscle guys /a muscle mark" false narratives they attempt to push

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

In the US yes, but the current generation Japan are more fundamentally sound than everyone you named. Zack Sabre Jr, Kento Miyahara etc.

Dave is god tier historian, shit tier journalism, and master class (or not) deflector

@vbjetta33

10 ай бұрын

Bingo!!

He sounds like a jackazz. Kurt angle had better matches then kenny omega period.

@BSultimate

10 ай бұрын

Not just matches, he was a better performer all round. It’s ridiculous from Meltzer

Dave Meltzer is that one high school teacher, or college professor, that said “I don't have any favorite students.” But everyone else knows that he does

Disco Dave Meltzer's record scratching when Chris pressed the question about his rating system. If you can ever get Chris on the show please do.

[ Kenny Omega Farts in the Tokyo Dome ] Dave Meltzer: 5 star!!!!

@gregofthelake

10 ай бұрын

A tiger driver 93 fart. Gotta be accurate. 😆

@bash8387

10 ай бұрын

Nah man Dave won’t give 5 stars to him farting I’ll have him 5,25 stars lol

He gave the anarchy in the arena match a 5 star match . I think Mox has been in 3 or so . He does 2 moves and use weapons that style pops 5 stars cmon

@user-mu2mp8ll6c

10 ай бұрын

You know

Disco is the only person that can ask Konnan a question, then interject to answer it himself.

Dave Meltzer is DONE. Lately, he has been so insanely pro-AEW again. He's a joke. a very rich joke though.

@drobinson-uo7ic

10 ай бұрын

He says he was messaging Tony Khan to give him advice. Come on Dave, like anyone can't see he has a relationship and bias towards AEW.

@iamthedave3

10 ай бұрын

@@drobinson-uo7ic His 'advice' was 'your feed went down, you should let people know what the finish of that match was'. I'm pretty sure if Dave was seen putting his bins out someone would make a massive deal out of it.

Chris Van Vliet is a fantastic interviewer. It's refreshing to see guys like him and Sam Roberts, who are huge wrestling fans but also professional broadcasters, as opposed to most fan podcasters.

@user-mu2mp8ll6c

10 ай бұрын

Sam Roberts is a tool

I always wondered why Chris Van Vliet wasn't working for AEW as a backstage interviewer or something and now I know. He's not a kiss ass and not part of the cult

Chris is kind of the Pro Wrestling equivalent to Ariel Helwani. He does great work.

And the best thing is that CVV is the nicest guy around there. He push the questions but never disrespecful or anything like that.

Chris needs to get an interview with Disco!

"W-w-well well, if-i-i-i-if Kurt, if Kurt had, if Kurt had names some, you know, if Kurt had named some of his moves after me, y'know, if it w-w-were, you know, Melzter Slam or whatever, I-I-I-I'd have voted him in the HOF early." - Dave Muppet

Chris has always been fair since he has friends from wwe, aew, impact, and even the indies. His connections is way bigger than dave has.

Thing with Macho Man, he did not look as big as he was. He is still ridiculously underrated.

@tafariali-alkebulan3325

10 ай бұрын

Macho is the all around most complete wrestler ive ever seen, he had the Sport and the entertainment the pro and the wrestling down pact

Chris isn't an interviewer with softball questions. He's a legit Hollywood entertainment reporter who also loves wrestling.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, thats why we also have an opinion on Daves biased opinions. The reason Dave gets hate is because its blatantly obvious he gives all those 5 star rated matches to Kenny and The Bucks. They've named moves after him, and who can forget that meme of Dave looking like he's lovestruck with Kenny on a PWG ring.

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

He's given Gunther several and Will Ospreay more than anyone so this is a lie.

Kurt never having a 5 star match, neither WM match with Undertaker vs Shawn breaking through to 5 stars, but Best Friends vs Santana and Ortiz (street fight) was awarded 5 stars. A bit off in my book.

Angle vs Taker at No Way Out 2006 never gets talked about. It's one of my favorite matches of all time. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

He should of asked him about the 7 star ratings he gives out.

@drobinson-uo7ic

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, how does any of that make sense? I really think he is more biased towards AEW and New Japan because he is allowed more to be a part of it, it is more exciting and he is validated by them so he feels a sense of identity and connection to it. Whereas WWE could care less about him...

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

@@drobinson-uo7ic He really isn't part of NJPW.

Sounds like uncle Dave wasn't ready for someone to call his bullshit

I have faith that one of these days, Dave will finish a thought.

Uncle Dave take Kenny’s Omega out your mouth. Kurt Angle not having a 5 star match is pure blasphemy

@duckmercy11

9 ай бұрын

Time and place, Kurt peaked when the ratings dropped and mma was getting hot. Melter was cold on wrestling and more into ufc and pride.

@nowtheworld138

9 ай бұрын

@@duckmercy11 doesn’t matter we’re talking about Kurt Angle! Kurt Freaking Angle! I’ve watched wrestling my whole life. I’m 38 before anyone calls me a kid. So I’ve been around for Flair Steamboat Bret Shawn Aj anyone you can’t think of over the last 40 years and Kurt is hands down the greatest I’ve ever seen. I wonder what stars or excuses he would’ve given Kurt Vs Bret. Uncle Dave has always had a biased opinion on WWE some if it deserved of course but there’s but when the company that’s been around 60 years only has 9 5 star matches something is up. I know it’s all subjective but come on.

Disco and Konnan are like total opposites. Konnan is so relaxed and Disco is kinda hyped. Lol

Dave was moonwalking backwards like Michael jackson

This interview has "Get My Go" written all over it, Dave Meltzer sounds so hilariously bad here

Take a shot every time Meltzer says "you know", like he will drop everything in the middle of a thought that has nothing to do with it, and say "you know..."

CVV is legit. One of the best interviewers on KZread. Extremely likeable.

If only Kurt Angle would have had better opponents? What about HBK, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Undertaker?(Kurt vs Undertaker at No Way Out is still one of my all-time favorites. That match just made perfect sense from top to bottom. A materclass in ring psychology)

AEW has a 4th of NJPW's 5 star matches. That's insane to me.

Translation: Dave is a big fan of Dante Martin jumping off the erector set shattering his leg in front of 3,000 people, and Will Ospreay almost paralyzing Kenny Omega for 700K viewers. It’s orgasmic to him.

Him sticking up for TNA to the jackass that is Dave Meltzer was beautiful to see

Well done Chris..these ratings make no sense just like Meltzer makes less and less sense

The problem isn't just Dave's star ratings. It's that him and the Wrestling Observer gives out the most recognized awards for Match of the Year, Wrestler of the Year, etc. So one can't just say "I don't agree with him" and ignore his ratings. It's the equivalent of the movie reviewer that you don't agree with being the only person that decides Oscar winners.

Kurt vs Shawn at Mania 21 alone demands 5 stars

I can't stand listening to Dave anymore, I don't know why the business let one mans opinion effect it to its detriment

Chris Val Vliet just became my favorite journalist he really put Meltzer in his place.

Dave gave that train wreck blood and guts match 4 3/4 stars. His ratings should only be looked at as a parody at this point.

AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe vs Christopher Daniels at Unbreakable 2005 was 5 Star match.

He definitely has a bias against TNA Impact. And that's been for a long time Good for him to bring that up

Chris done had dave stumbling and mumbling all over himself, this is hilarious 😂

Chris van fliet is the best you should have him on and I’m sure he would love to have you guys on his show great interviewer

@KeepinIt100OFFICIAL

10 ай бұрын

that would be excellent.

I heard the interview, and I saw that Chris Van Vliet struck me as a guy who really, REALLY likes WWE and was trying to stick up for them. Chris Van Vliet was voicing the concerns of many WWE fans, that Dave Meltzer just doesn't like their product, and Dave's ratings just reflect his personal preference (which is objectively true about any critic). Chris kept pressing the question, which started sounding like he really RESENTED Meltzer not giving WWE more 5 star matches. But Meltzer judges matches based on the ACTUAL WRESTLING IN THE RING, not the media marketing, the scripted soap opera/dramatic elements that brought these characters together, or the emotional attachment that fans had to the characters. In everything I just sad, WWE is far and away better than any company at doing - but they don't actually very many good ACTUAL matches because of their safer, pared down style where everyone is expected to perform moves in exactly the same manner. It's recognizable, easy to follow along, and trains the audience on what to expect. But it doesn't produce 5-star matches.

CVV is dope and i enjoy his wrestling memes with real life captions

“Should we take a moment now, to discuss Uncle Dave’s rambling?”-Jim Cornette.

with today's Meltzer inflation, Jerry Lynn vs RVD and Awesome vs Tanaka would be 7 star epic trilogies

No joke. Dave been giving out those 5 stars like oprah and those damn cars back in the day. DI and Konnan are great at putting this subject into perspective. Unfortunatley I will have to question any good ratings after this interview, cause he didnt expect the hit from CVV.

I know I’m not the only one that heard Meltzer say “younger hunger guys”

CVV has put so much work in to be at the point where wrestlers want to be interviewed by him. People he interviewed multiple times early on are now stars and paying off his investment with current interviews

Its crazy how kurt angle hasn't had one

oh, so Disco actually is aware of what a good interview is? Because if this was Meltzer on K100, Disco would have cut him off instantly to talk about food or cancel culture.

He got the idea for ratings from Cornette's friend Norman Dooley

Translation : AEWs wrestlers work much harder to please me.

Chris is a great interviewer, seems like a great guy, likeable, handsome, respectful, informed and engaging. I really enjoyed how fair he was with Russo gave him his props, yet respectfully pressed when it was warranted.

I love that Joe's beard has heat with Konnan 😂

I feel like there's only one solution: Dave starts doing retro reviews, pulls his head out of his ass, and gives Kurt Angle a 5 star match.

@drobinson-uo7ic

10 ай бұрын

Get a petition signed, "Re-review these matches Dave!"

@ovionradion9260

10 ай бұрын

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE

Meltzer cannot explain his thought process. This is beyond ridiculous.

Meltzer’s credibility is gone right out the window. This was gold

I believe it was Jim Cornette and more accurately, his friend Weasel Duly who started the star rating of wrestling matches. They were doing it well before Dave. However, I’m not sure if Dave got the idea from Corny.

I love Chris because he challenges and presses certain opinions and points of view but not in an attacking way more so wanting to just know how someone comes to a certain conclusion. He definitely has a gift

Meltzer is wrestlings nickelback

So basically you need to be at the Tokyo dome or be put in the position to face someone from japan and then youre eligible for the 5 star mark rating

Dave could have saved 20 minutes of rambling by just admitting he gives his friends extra stars . I mean he just gave jericho and commander 4 stars lol . What a joke 4 stars for standing around waiting for a guy to jump on you and miss my 3 feet . Man that was awesome