What about the characters in MONSTER? When did they go through Kinderheim? Grimmer and Roberto were among the first batch of boys through. Grimmer likely being one of the first children in 511, admitted in '62. Roberto being brought in in '63. We’re not sure when Stefan Joos was brought in (the guy Richard Braun shoots). But we do know he left around 1984, 10 months before it’s destruction. Johan was brought in in 1982; Christof we don’t know; but they both survive it’s destruction.

@kushalks6945

Жыл бұрын

Sir i want bonoford story

@makiroll218

Жыл бұрын

@@kushalks6945 that’d be interesting

@amberscootiesworld

7 ай бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 😮😢 😊😊

@amberscootiesworld

7 ай бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊 😊

@meandmyfamily3489

5 ай бұрын

Oh darn that’s crazy 💀🫣🫡 kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJipz6NsiLiwZJs.htmlsi=Irm6tvMF7xs3lYCD

The scariest part of Monster is the realism blended with Johan's mystique. You look at modern political and social climates, and you can see how something like this could happen, and this is where Monster enters into a new category of terror and horror.

"this is an experiment"- Franz Bonaparta I still get chills from that line

And my best character Wolfgang grimmer was the only good person from this kinderheim

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

What a legend of a character

@makiroll218

Жыл бұрын

Love him. Such a good person.

@makiroll218

Жыл бұрын

He’s one of my fav characters. He’s such a kind , caring person. ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@02282i

11 ай бұрын

Looking back at it now, johan is a good person considering his ultimate goal was killing the guy who messed his sister up mentally. Yes he killed many people and manipulated alot, but technically his ultimate goal is something a good person would have.

@imamekrim9291

11 ай бұрын

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I have a few theories about the characters who attend Kinderheim 511. 1. Roberto/Adolf probably remembers Grimmer’s name, maybe not in the moment but in the subconscious, maybe some of his other alias, maybe they were the names of the other kids who attended Kinderheim, and maybe just by luck, one of them was Grimmer’s real name. (I know I am thinking to much about this theory but it could be a little possibility, because one of Bonaparta’s alias was his real name) 2. This one is much darker, I saw it in a post of tumblr a few months ago, but I think there was also sexu*l abuse, because the condition that Grimmer has is dissociative identity disorder, which as we know it’s caused when someone goes through extreme trauma and they develop another identity as a protector, in this case Steiner the magnificent, as we had saw Grimmer “blacks out” when he is in a stressful/dangerous situation Steiner takes over, but he is not there to cause harm at all, he is protecting Grimmer. But I think in order to have such a violent alter, there must have been certain situation where he went through to wanting to protect himself so badly, as it seems he is the only kid who was allowed to watch TV 📺, but there is a certain scene where we see that they took Grimmer to a dark bedroom and he doesn’t want to go, they tried to “induce” him to have that alter ego by projecting over and over that series, so it’s the only figure of a “strong person” he can look forward. I wanted to share this not in a morbid way but in a scientific/psychiatry way I even asked my psychiatrist a little bit about this stuff and he told me that someone must be very young because they are generating their own identity and it’s also usually related to a lot of types of abuse, including s*xual, especially if they don’t remember that stuff because their 🧠 doesn’t want to.

@cihuatlromina4240

6 ай бұрын

What you think makes a lot of sense. Especially in such a cruel world, it is very possible that out of all the adults at least 1 of them was a pedophile. Johan also had that amnesia, until he remembered everything by reading Franz Bonaparta's book. I'm not saying that Johan was a victim of sexual abuse, they never say that in the anime, but we have to keep in mind that it may be a possibility. Let's remember that Johan was a pretty boy, with perfect standards, he was the perfect experiment, this could have attracted a lot of attention. Plus it could have been easy to abuse him since they always had him drugged and sleepy. Even Johan himself said that the orphanage was hell and there were no rights for children. And I also found the scene extremely strange where they take Nina to the mansion to introduce her to all the adults, that scene shows the adults praising the girl in a very strange way that always gave me chills and when one of them says " What is a girl your age doing here?" It's all very murky.

@PAK_XD

2 ай бұрын

Hmmmmm i dont know about the tv scene that much but it's important to know that just by sexual harassment doesn't lead to your body going blank in a fight or flight mode and a type of character taking over. It could just be physical abuse almost as bad as sexual.

@PAK_XD

2 ай бұрын

Tho i wanna ask a question How tf did yohan manage to steal other kids memories and how did the kids manage to kill the director

Always nice to see you posting more Urasawa content! Though I'd argue that the amnesia associated with 511 Kinderheim is not so much the effect of drugs, but rather PTSD-associated repression and/or a hindered ability to form memories (as a side effect of destroying the boys' sense of self). It kinda reminds me of this neurological condition called Wernicke's aphasia, wherein the brain area responsible for language comprehension is damaged, typically due to a stroke. For those who managed to recover from it, they always report amnesia over what the experience was like, and it's believed to be due to the fact that we need language to encode memories in the first place. Thus, by stripping away the language associated with a sense of self (e.g. taking the boys' names, squashing any expressions of their individuality), the kids are robbed of the psychological faculties by which to encode autobiographical/episodic memories. After all, how can I remember what happend to me, when there isn't even a "me" for these things to happen to? I think the amnesia is infinitely more frightening if it's rooted psychologically, rather than pharmacologically. That's just my two cents as a cognitive neuroscience major, haha

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

Great, and chilling, thought! I love how something which is only in the series for comparably a short time can have so much drawn out of it. Urasawa is an absolute legend

Thank you for your persistence on these monster videos. Not only are they informative, but they keep the well-deserved legacy of the story continued as it’s deserved

Oh wow, this video opens up a lot of doors into Monster. I love how deep and though out the story of that manga is. Everything is detailed and grounded in real world concepts and events.

I really appreciate you digging out and summarizing all the info in a 10 min video

Possibly my favorite Anime, ever. I was so enthralled by every episode. Can't wait for PLUTO anime to launch.

always a good day when Seagee uploads

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

Love to hear it!

Great oration and synopsis. Deserves more views.

It’s always refreshing see you posting about Monster.keep up the good work buddy

Love your videos man, keep going

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hope you'll enjoy what's coming up!

Kinderheim 511 doesn’t exist, but something similar existed, such as: Geschlossener Jugendwerkhof Torgau (The closed youth work yard in Torgau). People between the ages of 14 and 20 lived there. Due to the unbearable living conditions, deliberate humiliation and physical abuse; there were many suicides. It is still unknown how many of them committed suicide.

Please keep releasing content like this, I’m a psych student who is half German so interesting

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I reckon you'll like what's coming up next then

@spoofer9113

Жыл бұрын

your name is perfect with your profession.

A SeaGee upload early in the morning, you gotta love to see it

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

You're the best Josh

And slowly..... you come to realize...

@Daniel_Lancelin

11 ай бұрын

It's all as it should be...

@louise-dk8hu

7 ай бұрын

@@Daniel_Lancelin you can only do so much...

@Diemes-dl9nq

4 ай бұрын

​@@louise-dk8hu if your game enough...

man i was rewatching some of your videos yesterday and was wondering when you'll upload again lol

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

Ahah perfect timing! Hopefully should have some more Monster stuff coming soon

I've been binging your channel. Can you please do videos on Master Keaton? It was one of my favorite mangas growing up, and I read it around the same time I read Monster. I love Monster too, but I remember Master Keaton as a particularly beutiful masterpiece.

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

It's on my list to get to at some point. Always keen to do more Urasawa videos

When i first watched monster at first i thought it was a drama. The show progressed and i thought it was a crime series. At the end it became a disturbing psycological horror. I did not sleep well after watching it that night..

please come back one day bro, I like your videos

I like your usage of SOMA music :)

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

It's such a good creepy vibe

I know Kinderheim 511 was based in Bonaparta's experiments, but can anyone please tell in which episode they said it was? I am rewatching Monster and don't recall when they said it.

@kyvaldhino8228

Жыл бұрын

When grimmer was talking to bonaparta

@ReivajPL1978

Жыл бұрын

@@kyvaldhino8228 Wasn't there any moment prior to it? Like the secret police or maybe one of the Fascist organaization's members saying it?

@Andres-iw1gq

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it was said explicitly but implied. Bonaparta's experimenta take place before Kinderheim 511, and the fact that Bonaparta or Klaus Poppe lived in German for a long time, his implied connections with Wolf and the fact that both experiments are basically the same thing but one with a greater scale makes it clear that the Germans took some ideas from Bonaparta

@discrw

11 ай бұрын

Peter Chapek, he's the boss of the Baby and the right wings in Munich. He, General Wolf and two others are responsible for Kinderheim, but Chapek specifically in episodes 65-67 was shown to be an apprentice of Bonaparte and part of the experiment with Johan and Nina’s mother.

True. But i had hoped authour would have fleshed it out a bit more.

@SeaGee

Жыл бұрын

Likewise! For as important as it is in the story we don't get too many details about it

Teria como colocar legendas em português amo Monster mas não entendo o que você diz

Can anyone tell me one thing?... was yohan always the monster ever since he was a kid or he became one after being in kinderheim 511?

@SeaGee

6 ай бұрын

Hartmann says Johan was a monster before coming to Kinderheim. I'd say the series points to the Red Rose Mansion Massacre as the moment Johan became the monster

@ayselengin1798

3 ай бұрын

Everything happenned to Johan is factor for who he turn out to be, he got broken before 511 but that place made it worse.

Wait I missed a part. Was Bonaparta work in 511? Or they just used his method?

@pleaseshutup7053

4 ай бұрын

He wrote books for 511 and was one of the founding members. When general wolf dies he becomes the only living member

Sort of confused with urasawa’s characterization of east germany here. The americans/nato/the circle utilized all of the techniques attributed to bonoparte in galdio and the phoenix program, with the intent being to create domestic terrorists who’s attacks were used to justify further policing and push the european populace to accept fascist ideals out of fear of the engineered terrorist attacks. The identity destroying techniques used by bonaparte in the manga to produce “super soldier” or “manchurian candidates” is similar to the stated aim of the united state’s cia mk ultra program. mk ultra was built around the research conducted on concentration camp prisoners and that was produced by the nazis and japan’s unit 731, due largely to the fact that the us saved and extradited nazi and imperial japanese war criminals to the united states in order to utilize their work in nasa and the cia. many of them died free and comfortable in suburbs all around america. haven’t heard of any communist programs with the same scope/aims before, so i’m real weird on the urasawa take here. like west german leadership and nato’s founding leadership were all packed out with high ranking nazi officials who were in direct communication with the us, they would be way more likely to conducts the kinderheim experiments. maybe i’m missing something here, but when there are the kids of anticommunists involved, the united states and its intelligence/military networks are usually the ring leaders of training them as assets. in the case of cuba, the children of the fascist, wealthy, pro-capital counter revolutionaries were sent by their families and the anticommunist institutions to miami and were trained into counter revolutionary terrorists that the us used to murder cubans in attempt to overthrow castro. even with all of his artistic/dramatic flourishes, urasawa rarely bases the foundations of his stories in anything ahistorical.

@edohanma

Жыл бұрын

Maybe urasawa is based

@whatsyournovember4602

Жыл бұрын

@@edohanma billy bat and to a lesser extent 20CB are hella based. i don’t expect that kind of commentary or historical accuracy from any mangaka/fiction writer, but as i got older i began to notice and appreciate urasawa’s utilization of those elements in his other work. i guess that more abstractly, the united state’s push to assert and spread its post-war capitalist hegemony was like a global kinderheim. thinking about it more, johan himself isn’t really a physical being for most of the series, he’s discussed and experienced in the carnage he leaves behind like a natural disaster. just like the recent floods in eastern kentucky, the potential destruction had always existed: a historical record of high volumes of annual rain fall and the narrow valleys that the waters flow through. however, this disaster only occurred after years of mountain top removal and strip mining for coal resulted in low absorption/retention of rain water in the ground, and overall more rainfall in the region due to climate crisis that is heavily associated with the global use of the coal extracted from that region. maybe urasawa’s message was that this same potential for destruction exists within humanity. the us and nato aligned countries used every tool and explored every fucked project in order to kill communism. rather than focusing on improving the conditions of its populace and supporting the growth and struggle of its international allies (like cuba, china and korea), the ussr made its relationship with the us its primary focus. in the process of trying to make peace with the us, the ussr also began to become more like america. they began emulating the united states’ obsession with intelligence services and military research, which is the direct cause of johan’s birth as a monster. the failure of the ussr and the ongoing disaster of capitalism created conditions in which murderous psychopaths alone are uniquely equipped to survive and thrive.

@nuclearcatbaby1131

Жыл бұрын

The communist government in Czechoslovakia sounds more than just communist, their obsession with blonde hair/blue eyes eugenics sounds like they were a remnant of fascism.

@maddiesiegmund5623

Жыл бұрын

This wasn't 1945, it was 1960+ when all of the countries in the area were communist, and then our main story takes place after 1989 - the fall of communism in east germany, czech republic, hungary, etc. The communists and Americans/CIA both absorbed N-azi research in their indoctrination programs. Your comment is extremely biased towards pro-communism lol.

@fhead8684

Жыл бұрын

@@whatsyournovember4602 Still, even with all that you have said, feels to me it was a "CoMuNiSm iS BaD" message at the end of the day. Most people who will watch or read Monster will not be looking this hard into history. For most it would be "Yeah Soviets were f!ucked up like this" and period. Which is a shame, that is practically the only flaw i have personally found in Monster, outside of it, quite simply a masterpiece.

'I have heard that the overall principle and curriculum of the place were created by one of Czechoslovakia's most brilliant psychiatrists." - About these "debates." Could you give me more details? "They were like debates, but... To put it simply, you know how people are psychologically affected when you bring them up and then drop them down, or put them down before raising them again; you start off by saying "You're no good, you're a terrible person," and they'll panic and lose their identity, making them easily manipulated. You just don't want to face yourself head-on. Depending on circumstances, one might lose all self-confidence, and end up committing suicide. Modern cults use these techniques to ensnare new members. But the activities at Kinderheim 511 were even more dangerous. They were taught that the greatest weapon one can wield against another person is not guns or strength, but words. They were trained to be specialists in manipulation... no, trained to be leaders. I think that what happened there was a game of survival, where words could kill... and those who lost were internally destroyed..." --------- "We're guessing that the children incarcerated in this place were forbidden to use their real names, and were called by some kind of code numbers." -- ((((their identities are taken from them)))))) "Kinderheim 511 was a world completely shut off from the outside. So the kids inside had no idea what was happening outside, what was going on in politics. Who knows, there could have been a nuclear war. If you'd told them they were the last people alive on Earth, they'd probably believe you. And so they created this odd fairy tale that spread among the children." (((((((they were treated as just like worst criminals in world in very inhumane sitution)))))) "In Kinderheim 511, there was a boy (Johan) who was always kept under sleeping pills. Because he held the words that could destroy any person, the teachers thought he was a monster and kept him locked underground. Such was the terror that they felt towards him that they swore they could see ten horns and seven heads. But one day, the boy developed resistance to the drugs and awakened. He manipulated his jailors and slipped back among the pupils. But the boys didn't know who he was... because none of them knew each other's names or pasts. The boy hated everything about the facility, so he began secretly plotting to have everyone kill each other. First, he would steal all of their memories, so that they couldn't even remember their own names, and then offer them the path to death, through their torment... But the boys never even realized that they were being controlled. Could it be that someone is trying to manipulate us? And so this incredible ferver raced through the orphanage."' (((((Johan was treated as even more horribly because they were scared of his potential but he got out and end the place.)))))) ((((from Another Monster chapter 5.))))

Someone please tell me if its 511 kinderhime or kinderhime 511? Cuz if i remember correctly in anime it was 511 kinderhime, so why some people write it the other way?

@pleaseshutup7053

4 ай бұрын

It’s an address 511 first. If it was 511 after that would indicate a room

@marcstafanov8431

4 ай бұрын

I think its 511 Kinderheim

The kinderheim 511 from what It was inspired?

5+1+1=7 Thalla for a reason

If you really think about it, Johan started the earliest school killing game before dangan ronpa and battle Royal made it mainstream.🤔

So was 511 a real place?

@cyrus8886

Жыл бұрын

No But it is based on some real stuff the Germans did during the war

@midgetthatnoonelikes2253

Жыл бұрын

@@cyrus8886 like the hitlerjugend?

@tubeguy4066

Жыл бұрын

​@@cyrus8886 not really

L from wammy house Ayanokoji from white room Ayanokoji from kinderheim 511

@yangwenlifangirl

11 ай бұрын

*Johan from Kinderheim 511

511 Kinderheim >>>>>>>>>> Whiteroom

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