I’m glad Jeep and Toyota still offer the manual transmission. It’s sad that it’s become rare these days. Nothing beats a manual Jeep, even if the gear ratios are not the best.

@LookitThisReview

4 ай бұрын

I agree! Midsize trucks and manual transmissions are a great fit.

@davealin2431

3 ай бұрын

They have had an issue with the manual transmissions in Wranglers (& now the Gladiators) that has the potential for, as they, the Jeep people call it in the recalls "catastrophic failure" since 2018 & has no "fix" just a patch. 4 yrs & they have no 'permanent' solution. Google it... I would prefer the manual but ended up with an automatic in my 2022 Gladiator Mojave

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

@@davealin2431 false. The fix has been out since November. I talk about it twice in this video.

@jeebus8612

16 күн бұрын

I have both a JK Wrangler and 80 Series Land Cruiser. Both manual. The 6 speed manuals in Wranglers are absolute dog shit. Worst manual car I've ever driven.

I’ll tell you that the 8-speed automatic is absolutely GLORIOUS!!! 🙌

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

IT IS! I really enjoyed the auto Gladiators we had as loaners.

@Starr0010

23 күн бұрын

Thank you can I tell me which one ta get cuss I been having my heart on one. Tell me 2022 or 2023 sport S manual?

Best summary of the Jeep manual I've viewed. The 2021 JT is the 5th manual transmission vehicle I've owned and yes, the most awkward. From a 1st gear that barely gets you moving from a stop to a 6th gear so tall that is only useful at highway speeds with flat terrain, it's puzzling. But, like the reviewer, I would do it over again. I haven't had the recall fix done as of yet, so my comments pertain to the original equipment. The best advice I could provide is to let the engine wind out. Hitting an on ramp at 35 mph in 3rd gear, accelerating to 70 mph at 4500 or so rpms before shifting to 4th is a blast. 3rd, 4th and even 5th gears are the sweet spots in the vehicle as long as the rpms are north of 2200.

Great content. Just bought my first jeep 18 jlu. Haven't driven a manual since about 07. I thought i was just out of practice but you nailed everything i was ?ing. One thing ive learned in this short month of owning a manual jeep is that there's a lot to sacrifice but they are fun as hell! I actually enjoy driving again. I would say its like owning a motorcycle. You learn to deal with the cons because they're just so damn cool.

Glad to finally see some good discussion of the JL manual. Just got the 3rd recall fixed and now im having difficulty getting into first sometimes. Usually after putting it in 1st, then neutral, then back to 1st. Hopefully it just needs a little breaking in like your original clutch. Dealer is double checking the fix for me now. Love love love the JL manual. Absolute blast to drive.

Back in 1972, I took my driver's license road test in a 1970 Datsun PL520 pickup. My first car was a 1969 Datsun 510. I have owned various cars and trucks with various transmissions over the years. My wife bought a 1985 Ford Ranger with the 5 speed. I found that once the manufacturers started putting ATF in the stick transmissions. The problems you describe started. I resolved those problems by putting in Mobil synthetic gear lube. The difference was amazing! Even though the Manufacturers did it for fuel economy, we picked up 2mpg with the synthetic. Friends and co-workers have resolved similar problems, by using synthetic motor oil instead of the ATF. I have used a blend of synthetic motor oil and ATF in transfer cases. I have a 2003 Ford Explorer 4wd with 227k miles, that I also put a blend of Lucas synthetic gear lube and the factory specified synthetic gear oil. The LSD grips better than new, with now rebuilding. I wanted to buy a Jeep Gladiator last year. I didn't see what I wanted, so I bought JLU Sport S Altitude with the auto. It was just before the strike, so I didn't want to order the perfect Gladiator with an unknown delivery date. None of the dealers in California had a stick one in stock. The JLU gets 27mpg on the highway with the taller ratio and 8-speed auto, at 65mph. Maybe next year, I will order a JT with 4.56 ratio and the stick. My wife seems to have taken over the JLU. We bought that tow behind her Ram 2500 4wd 6.7Lwith our camper on the back. I would buy the JT to replace my Ram 1500.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like a nice stable of vehicles you've got there! I think you're on the right track with the ratio change.

I never owned a Jeep before but I just bought a 2024 Jeep Wrangler sport with a 6-speed manual, and I haven't drove a manual in years. I installed it a couple times starting out in first but I'm getting better at it. Had it on the highway and 6 gear was so doggy I went to pass another vehicle and it took forever to get going but it finally got around them real doggy. So the video I did learn a lot thanks and I am enjoying my Wrangler.

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

Glad the video was helpful! Don't be afraid to get it up into the revs or drop a couple gears to pass someone. You'll need to!

I have a 2021 gladiator sport and I have been having a blast with the manual. When it comes to the gearing I agree with you, but I really enjoy it because I just ignore the 6th gear and it reminds me of my old 90 Chevy 5 speed that I loved driving. I did learn a lot from you showing your shift points which is awesome because that's been the only thing I've been having a hard time nailing. Like you said I have been having to relearn everything I thought I new which I don't see as a negative just more to enjoy with my jeep.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! Hopefully the higher rev shift points help improve drivability for you as it did me. Enjoy!

I just picked up my '24 JLUR 6MT in December and I love it! I'm glad they still offer the manual. Yes, the gearing is a little weird and the clutch is light. However, I didn't drive the pre-recall version so I don't know how much worse it was, only what I hear others say on the forums. I got one of the new assemblys from the factory. It can definitely be better between the gears but it is still a ton of fun to drive. Pretty similar to what you're saying with the gear selection vs speed. I only use 6th on the expressway at over 65-70 mph. I regularly use 1st-4th in town and 5th when I'm over 50-55 mph on our little highways. I also have the 4.10 ratio and from what I've heard, the manual is no fun with the 3.45 so I'm glad for that being another reason I ordered the Rubicon. It sounds like 4.10 is the minimum if you want to use all the gears. I love how this thing crawls in 1st gear though. I've had it offroad a couple times and can't wait for the next adventure.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Congrats on the Rubi! I always wanted a Rubicon but I do love my Mojave. I will have to drive a Rubicon stick at some point for comparison!

@WreckedBrewery

3 ай бұрын

@LookitThisReview thanks it's alot of fun to drive.

So I have an automatic Mojave and a 6M willys JL 2 door. Before I got the automatic gladiator I test drove it in manual and found the same gearing problem. 4th and up were barely usable. Now being in a manual 2 door it feels like Jeep used the same transmission for all 3 (JL, JLU, JT). It feels perfect for the 2 door willys because it’s literally 1000lbs less than the gladiator. I can pass people in 5th and 6th and so much more fun to drive.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

That's good feedback. It makes me wonder if they had the gearing figured for the 2-door and just put the same unit in the JLU and JT because it was "close enough"?

@themojavetube

3 ай бұрын

I think so. Or maybe they designed it perfectly for the JLU because that’s their “flagship” product and then used it for all 3 platforms to save cost. Who knows, but either way the gladiator suffered. Sucks.

@briankonkel4833

2 ай бұрын

I never had a Jeep before and I just got a 2024 Wrangler sport two-door with a 6-speed manual took it for a drive with the salesman and killed it a couple times starting out in first. When I took it on the highway after I bought it sixth gear was so doggy I couldn't get going any faster to pass another vehicle it did finally pick up but I took forever. Thanks for the video I did learn a lot and I'm enjoying my Wrangler.

Excellent video. You genuinely expressed my sentiments of my Jeep Willys 2 Door 6MT. Hopefully, it appears the clutch recall takes care of the vagueness of the clutch. Seems that is the general sentiment from what I’ve read of those who have had it recalled. As to the gearing, you’re absolutely right. But a Jeep is made for modifications and after putting on 35s I plan on re-gearing to 4:88, which in fact you can order stock nowadays. It will be perfect harmony. I love my 6MT and would do it again too.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! Definitely get the clutch recall done - I promise it helps a lot! And stay tuned because I'm towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach as I type! More manual Jeep content to come...

One thing I have learned is change the axle gears to match the tire size. It fixes most everything. 35’s need 4.56’s or 4.88’s 37’s need 4.88’s or 5.13’s and 40’s need 5.38’s. I for one care more about performance not gas mileage. Most don’t do gears so they don’t like the way the manual or automatic operate.

@locomike102

Ай бұрын

Yes. The MT is terrible with stock highway gears and 35's on base wranglers. Regear to match your tires and it is a brand new vehicle. I love mine--its the best manual I've ever driven, I like it way better than the 6 speed in the JK.

@LinhNguyen-nq5di

10 күн бұрын

I found a manual, two-door with stock 33’s… but it has the 4.88 gear option. Is this a good set-up for me to do a MOPAR 2” lift, and swap to the 35” tires (on the stock rims)? THanks!

I modified my JT to make shifting more efficient. First, I installed the Corsa performance air cleaner so that I could hear the engine between shifts. Then I installed a 3/4 inch long pin (1/2 inch diameter) into the floor right next to the accelerator. My right foot then pivots off this pin instead of pivoting off my heel. I can modulate acceleration perfectly at my shift points. Now, I almost never stall when starting off in 1st or reverse. I shift at 3000 rpm mostly and cruise at 60 and above in 5th gear. All is well now, even without the recall modification. Oh, I average 22 to 23 mpg.

One thing most people don’t realize that I came across when looking at the Gladiator is the trans used is an Aisin D478. Aisin is pretty much a sister company of Toyota. Although the Taco uses a slightly different Aisin trans it’s also talked about poorly in regard to gearing as well. I wonder why neither manufacturer considered altering the gearing to better suit the engine combo.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

YOU'RE RIGHT! I'm seeing a lot of people comment about the Taco manual being just as bad if not worse than the Jeep trans. I'm curious to know if the same people are behind the selection of ratios in both these vehicles. hahah

This is a well done video. Jeep engineers should see this. I thought about getting a manual to save some money but ended up with the automatic, glad I did after watching your video.

@LookitThisReview

4 ай бұрын

I appreciate the feedback! I'd buy it again only because I'm such a sucker for manuals, but like I said in the video... if it were a Rubicon I'd go auto! Anyway I think most people will find the auto far superior to the manual for everyday use.

@WreckedBrewery

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview Superior maybe, but not more fun :)

I have just over 75K miles on by 2020 JT Rubicon 6MT on 35s. In 30 years I have only daily driven 1 automatic. My cars have been a mix of VW GTIs (Mk 1, Mk2, Mk 5), '93 Saab 900, and a '03 BMW 325ix. My automatic was an 03 Land Rover Discovery. I know everyone's experience with their own vehicles are different. I have no problems with the JT6MT. On 35s 6th gear is too tall but I don't want to screw with my axle gearing. I will say that the spacing between 1-2, 2-3 and 3-4 is high so I generally shift at something over 3K rpm. The light clutch helps a LOT off road, especially when reversing, because at least for me I can focus on the engagement point rather than holding the clutch in place. I think the linkages are fine. Its not a BMW. But its fine for a jeep, especially when pulling a trailer. I would totally get another one - long live the manual! Anyway, thanks for the video and for taking the time to create your content.

I watched Carguy1999 Reviews on the manual Gladiator. He maintained 2500 rpm regardless of speed ( city/ highway). Engine sounds right at 2500. He reflects normal driving.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

At 2500 the engine still lugs, which is odd considering peak torque comes on under 2500.

Weird. I have a 2005 TJ, first year of the NSG370 six-speed. Sixth is very much a usable overdrive, good for the highway. Fifth is for power or for going up long hills. Fourth is nicely placed between fifth and third. But first is super low, and you have to shift into second right away, and you gotta move the stick deliberately (but not quickly). The transmission is finicky and has weird quirks, but it seems to be geared differently than the NSG370 in your Gladiator. Also, I had the whole clutch mechanism replaced recently -- finally died after 18 years -- and it feels different now than is used to. Very light.

@LookitThisReview

4 ай бұрын

It is very weird. Gear ratios should be an easy thing to get right when you compare it to all the other little things manufacturers have to perfect on a new vehicle. Anyway, did you go with an OEM clutch or aftermarket on your TJ?

@MarsViolet

3 ай бұрын

I actually don't know. It went out on the 29 Palms Highway, 4.5 hours from home, so I had the Jeep towed to the closest Jeep dealer (in Yucca). I assume they swapped it for an OEM clutch. I don't know how similar a new NSG370 clutch is to an new/old stock clutch for a 2005 TJ, but it definitely FEELS different.@@LookitThisReview

@charlestshiko1028

3 ай бұрын

The 4.0 TJ's had 85% peak torque at idle. You cannot lug that engine, it will pull from 40 mph in 6th gear. I had a JK withe the same transmission but the pentastar engine. Great engine, but it is designed to work with the 8 speed automatic. New engines are simply not tuned for manual transmissions.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

@@charlestshiko1028 I agree with your comment for the most part, but this truck could have been made a lot more livable with a bit more R&D! 👍

Test driving JTs I was mainly trying to pick between Rubi and Mojave. Both met my offroad and practicality needs. I did not want to try manual as it is so obviously flawed on paper for all reasons you discussed. Settled on Mojave and was trying to find a lower optioned unit, so tried a manual. I was flat out emotional and giddy on MT test drive, in spite of issues. There was no option after that. MT is more of the charm that makes JT/JL special... still waiting for my recall though🔥

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

If you're happy with the pre-recall you're going to be stoked once the clutch is right! Congratulations on the Jeep, and I feel you on the "giddy" test drive! 😁

@AlanTrades

Ай бұрын

What year is yours? Did you get the fix yet?

@updowning4590

Ай бұрын

'22. Still no recall. Nice resonate rattle from clutch pedal at a certain rpms too. Nervous about recall as I have heard the cut some power, and I tow pretty heavy. 50000kms.

Every wrangler I’ve owned has been a manual. My 2021 JL is a manual. It’s a Toyota (Aisin) manual and I don’t mind the feel of it. My concern is its reliability and my recall notice keeps saying, parts not available. Hmmmm. I will say there’s a big difference when I switch between the JL manual and my TJ manual tho. Both my wranglers are Rubicons… their manuals are fine off-road. I did get criticism for stalling a stock rubicon on one of Colorado’s toughest trails (Blanca), but the gearing is fine off-road. The JL crawls better than the JK did.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Interesting! Thanks for the feedback!

Weird. I'm a jeep tech and love driving these manuals. Yes at first they are tricky to learn. I agree that the new clutch feels much better. I've done a few of them. Also, the slave cylinder does reach a break in point of some kind. There was an old recall for the manuals where the slave had to be pump 50 times to improve the slave. You will experience the same where they improve their feeling over time. I'd recommend rev matching if you're experiencing some shifting difficulties. im currently saving up to get my own mojave. I want one soooo bad.

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

Interesting info. Thanks for the comment!

@larrygoodsell9273

16 күн бұрын

Agreed on the improved clutch/pressure plate and the learning curve, I absolutely love driving mine. Rev matching and down shift for crying out loud. I mean automatics downshift too, don't they haha. Good luck saving up, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Re-gear will change everything as mentioned below. There are few aftermarket shifter replacements that change the "feel" and will give you a better connection to the Jeep, maybe more of what your looking for. I am in line for the clutch recall. Glad you said you will notice a difference. Great video, and one thing I will say, Manual jeeps on the road are not as fun shifting as Z's, Challengers, or even Rams but as a JEEP it is a whole new type of experience. Never drove a tacoma with a manual, maybe there some comparison there?

@sc77

3 ай бұрын

The drop in rpm between the gears is the same after regear. That's another problem, losing 1500 rpms between shifts. This is absolutely exacerbated when towing against a headwind or uphill.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I definitely want to drive one with different gearing. I'm also trying to find a manual Taco for comparison so stay tuned! Thanks for the feedback. 😎👍

Thanks for this video. I didn’t want to have our recall done until I heard a review on the results. Our 2023 Wrangler is our first Jeep. We ordered it and our first drive was after we owned it. I was immediately disappointed in the clutch feel. We have the Sport S and the axles are geared too high with the 3.55 I think. 6th gear is useless below 70 mph. I’m thinking of a regear but with the wonky ratios I’m afraid I’d like it less. What axle ratio does the Gladiator have? Thanks, Dave

Yeah, they could have done a little better with the gearing. However, keep in mind, 1, 2, and 3 are for your off road, get up and moving from a light gears. 4, 5, and 6 are your highway gears. I only see 5th when I get up to about 70-75 on the highway, otherwise it's 4th gear for me all day long around 2k RPM. The Jeep I picked up was a special order 2 door that the people never came and picked up. They requested shorter highway gears. 3 something. I'll be moving to low to mid 4's eventually.

@matopezuta2050

3 ай бұрын

3.45 is the only available gear ratio for gas unless you move up to the Rubicon or Extreme Recon package on the Willys.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Great point. I actually towed with this trans for the first time last week and the ratios made more sense! Stay tuned I'll explain in a future video.

I have Mojave 6spd and I love/hate it as well. All we needed was a good gear ratio for cruising and some grunt and a decent clutch to make it fun! Btw, have you driven a ACT or Centerforce clutch? Was wondering if it's worth the upgrade eventually. If I have to do it again, Id get an automatic base model or Diesel base and get a cheap Miata or GTI for weekends.

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

I would love to drive one with an aftermarket clutch and/or one that's been regeared. Curious how much a difference it makes.

The best mod to do for you would be 4.88 gears it’ll change everything. So on a Wrangler you can opt for factory 4.88 gears on the X package instead of 4.56 gears. In our jeep world standard transmission Jeeps always needed deeper gears than the 8 speed running 35’s or 37’s

@LookitThisReview

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I'd actually wondered about this! I need to do more research about gearing but I also haven't decided what size tires I'd like to upgrade to down the road.

@toddmartin4471

3 ай бұрын

The standard transmission because the gearing in it should have 4.56 axle gears to feel close to a 8 speed automatic with 4.11 gears. I love a manual transmission too my 1st Jeep was a CJ-7 5 speed

I have a 2 door ‘21 Sport and recently had a Centerforce clutch installed. My what a difference! That said, before and after that, my RPMs never went over 2500-3000. I was shocked to see yours up over 4000 going from 2nd to 3rd. Is that due to mine being lighter?

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

The only thing that will change revs on accel would be gearing. A lighter flywheel will allow revs to "zing" up faster but I'm probably just holding my gear longer is all!

I totally agree. I ordered a new manual rubi in 21. Test drove it for a half hour. Came back to the dealer and said he'll no! Bought the auto again because I traded in my 2018 rubi auto and couldn't deal with that manual tranny. It makes the wrangler gutless. Even with the rubi gears. Wish I could drive a extreme recon rubi manual with the 4:88 gears. But the auto is just to good. I went from the 3.6 to the 2.0 turbo. And I like them both equally. Neither had e torque. Not a fan of that crap. Good vid.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Totally understand that. The auto is excellent with the Jeep and it's truly wild how different the transmissions make the pentastar feel in this vehicle! If you want a surprise though, I'm towing from Kansas to Daytona Beach as I type and I'll have a video soon comparing the auto to the manual TOWING. 👍

I have a 22 JT manual and I love it. 99% of my cars have been manual. I’m about to install the B&M short shifter on it next week and I’m really excited to see if it really changes drastically the feel. They say it’s 18% shorter throw.

@jonathanortiz8217

4 ай бұрын

BTW great video. I still haven’t gotten my recall done yet. I’m on the waiting list.

@LookitThisReview

4 ай бұрын

I had a B&M on a VW years ago and it was awesome! I'm interested to know what you think of it. Thanks for the feedback on the vid!

@shrayusreddy

3 ай бұрын

The B&M Precision Shifter & The B&M Transfer Case Handle Are Excellent. 2022 JT Mojave Manual, I have had the precision short shifter for about 3500 Miles now, Clutch Replaced by the Dealership Recall at 40,000 Miles (I banged the Clutch 😂), got B&M Installed. After 3500 Miles with the B&M , It Doesn't Center Now , It stays in Left Center between 1 & 2 or Right Center Between 5 & 6. I have to Manually Push it to the center to shift to 3 from 2 or from 5 to 4. I don't know what the issue is , it started a Week Ago. The shifter itself feels firm, solid & short throws in each Gear.

I really wish they would build a stout manual and put it behind the hurricane in-line 6 and offer it with the 4 auto transfer case and give it a comparable tow rating to the auto. I know it will never happen! We can dream though. I would be reving out the pentastar every shift if I had one with a manual. That engine makes all its torque high in the rev range. This was an excellent well informed review!

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! 🤠 I'm definitely revving the heck outta this pentastar daily... Especially today because I'm towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach! Stay tuned I'll have a video comparing towing with the auto and the manual. 👍

@timtrinkaus7072

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview have a safe trip! The pentastar will be living at 4K plus towing with the auto as well!

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

@@timtrinkaus7072 kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqt70LODhLDHldI.htmlsi=Yxr17VioYtGp9M7J Check this video on our sister channel! I hated towing with the auto! 😬

I have a jlu with the manual. Personally i like how it feels and drives. The only thing i have a issue with is first gear. I wish it was just a little bit longer. I noticed im switching to 2nd in the middle of a turn from a stop. And with light off road i noticed im switching back and forth between 1st and 2nd more than i would like. If 1st was something like 5mph longer it would fix those issues for me Personally And i completely agree with the clutch issues. Mine doesn't have the recall done yet. The original pressure plate is WAY to light.

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

I will tell you, that tall first gear is nice when towing! I experienced that firsthand recently!

I have a '21 Mojave with the 6-speed and while I love it, you're absolutely right that 4th isn't an acceleration gear, 5th is a cruising gear and 6th is completely gutless.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I feel like to use 6th properly you need to be going 100+ mph 😅... Stay tuned because I'm towing with the Gladiator this week and I'll have another MT JT vid coming soon.

Love the honesty. Do you think that you wanted it so bad you just completely ignored it didn’t shift well at before u bought it.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Yes 100% I was just like "Jeep + pickup + manual = SOLD" 😂

I've got a JLU with a manual transmission. I'm with you in the gears could be better. With 4th gear being the 1:1 ration and 5th and 6th being overdrive they are stacked too close together. It would be better with 5th gear being the 1:1 and 6th being the only overdrive it give less spread in the lower gears. Better gear ratios in the axles would also help. The factory ones are there to try to get the mpg higher to avoid higher gas guzzler taxes. I'm looking at changing out the dual mass flywheel for one from Advanced Clutch Technologies single mass flywheel. It's a heavier flywheel which means acceleration will lag a little put it also allows better lugging. They also offer a reduced pressure over center spring that allows better clutch feel with the stock dual mass flywheel.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I'm seeing people saying the flywheel is helpful. 👍

I totally agree. I have a 24 2 door manual. I feel the trans would be better for a diesel. If you look at the ratios 5th and 6th are both overdrive. 6th is .1 different from 5th

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Is it really?! That explains so much. 😅 Why even have sixth?! 🤷

@mastermoarman

3 ай бұрын

​@LookitThisReview yup TRANSMISSION: D478 MANUAL, SIX-SPEED WITH OVERDRIVE Availability: Standard - 3.6-liter V-6 Description: Synchronized in all forward gears and Reverse, multi-rail shift system with top-mounted shift lever 50% shorter throws Gear Ratios: 1st - 5.13 2nd - 2.63 3rd - 1.53 4th - 1.00 5th - 0.81 6th - 0.72 Reverse - 4.49 Final Drive ratio - 3.45 standard, 3.73 optional (4.10 Rubicon)

Spot on! I have exactly the same complaints about my '21 6MT Wrangler Sport with its 3.45 axle ratio. The ratios are bad, the clutch is soft with no feel, the transmission is quirky and the shift quality varies unpredictably (perhaps based on temperature) - and yet, it so often shifts solidly, gives me 20-22 mpg and when the shifts are smooth, it's an experience so beautiful that I would buy it again. No reconsidering that. Manual transmission all the way for me, even with its flaws and limitations!

If you look at the actual gear ratios in the transmission it’s not that bad. First gear is a 5.13:1 and is lower than a lot of granny gears in older trucks. The axle gearing is where they went wrong. Having a light weight dual mass flywheel doesn’t help either with stalling. I chose to go with a heavy mass single flywheel while getting tired of waiting on a “fix” from Jeep and it makes a world of difference with low speed inertia and stalling.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

You're not wrong! I'd love to see what the flywheel does for this thing. I'm sure it helps, because I can feel that the stock one is a little light.

I'd would buy the manual no matter what. Jeep manuals will become collector's items people will pay $70k $80k for a clean manual used Jeep.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Man, let's hope so! haha

I was at a CDJR dealer looking for Rams in Nov 2023 and they asked if I wanted to drive a new manual Gladiator to their other lot with the Rams. I found it very hard to get smooth shifts during the mile or so I drove the Jeep. I’m no rookie either with a manual but I was a tad nervous making a few hasty left turns in front of oncoming traffic. Actually was surprised they’d let a customer do this: might easily have stalled it and T-boned the salesperson in the passenger seat. I liked the truck a lot (better than the Rams) but found it way overpriced. I understand now the Gladiators are heavily discounted as they are over stocked.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like that one hadn't had the clutch recall done yet!

Never drove a Jeep before ,but always had manuals vehicles. Last September I bought a Wrangler 2 door 6manual. Regret to not drive test the truck first, if so I will not have bought it. You are 100% right, the clutch is off but the worse is the ratio. I thought it would be better with a 5 speed. They kill the fun of driving the truck. Mine have a 3.45 ratio is even worse .Is still basically new ,with 5000km ,maybe the remedy is to change the ratio to 4.10 on both differentials. To spend 10 grand on all that work and hope that all that job is well done make no sense. What kind of Jeep engineers approve this performance ? Looks like I should have bought the Bronco , cannot have this major anomaly. After all these years of improving ? ? ? Disappointed Canadian in Edmonton

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that! It's frustrating for sure. Try driving it a little differently (revving it higher before shifting) and see if it helps!

@tripleseven8361

3 ай бұрын

I definitely prefer a manual transmission… See my remarks above, but it sounds to me like the manual transmission has become an afterthought…

I have 22 Willys JL. I've been reluctant to address recall on the clutch. I don't if it's me or the Jeep but whatever gear I'm in running up the tach if you short shift below 2k rpm it's poop but if beyond 2k it just seems the torque range changes and that's when 6 speed box makes the Jeep come alive. I don't know the specs on that but with 15k miles I better get the recall done, I haven't had any issue's with the clutch.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Definitely get the recall done. It will drive better!

On my 22 Rubicon JLU I could feel a mild grinding going into second gear all the time. At around 5k miles I replaced the manual transmission fluid with the full synthetic version, added half a container of Lucas Oil Engine Treatment, and filled it until it was dripping out. The shifting was noticeably better after that. And I can tell you that on the Rubicon JLU the gearing seems fine... other than the expected quick shift needed to get out of first gear, and I only use 6th gear when I'm going 68 mph or above. If I'm going 70 mph in 6th I generally don't need to downshift unless it's a steep hill... which seems reasonable to me. Otherwise the gearing is fine for me. Maybe the JLU is lighter than the Gladiators? And yes, the clutch is much too light for rock crawling... agree that maybe no manual in general if doing serious rock crawling.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

That's interesting! I mentioned it to someone earlier that I will probably put BG products fluid in mine at some point.. curious to see if it makes a difference but I haven't had any shifting issues.

Before I bought my current JL, I had a 15 JK both manual. The engines were the same 3.6 pentistar v6, I noticed the swift throws, clutch feel and transmission felt different. After a few days of driving the JL, I got used to the lack of clutch input. Now everything else feels heavy in comparison. Now I’m close to 50k miles and might upgrade the clutch to a stage 2 or 3 once the stock one wears out, luckily I haven’t had any issues. Would I buy another manual Jeep? Probably not. I love my Wranglers, I love the off roading community, and all of the after market support. When I pull up to a gas station and get approached by other Jeep enthusiasts it makes me feel cool. But it’s an expensive hobby to manage. Like they say J.e.e.p. really means Just Empty Every Pocket. Hell, if I had unlimited funds, I’d probably have a bunch of Jeeps to serve different uses. I’d probably daily drive a Grand Cherokee and trail my Wrangler on the weekends LoL!

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Great input from someone with a JK and JL, thanks! Have you considered getting the recall done on your JL instead of going aftermarket? They'll replace the whole clutch.

Do the 2024 manuals need the recall fix or are they good to go? Have they fixed the hot clutch issue?

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

'24s are good to go off the lot.

i have a 6 speed JT Rubicon and i think i have her figured out this is it 1st and R hold the shifter on the gear with the clutch down till it goes in then in an off the line scenario goose 1st then go for second for a smooth shift and strong take off i haven't noticed the 4th,5th,6th just make sure about the speedometer and your over 2,000 on the tach if things fizzle out down shift and give it to her 😂

I bought my 20 gladiator rubicon new. I agree that the factory clutch is a huge issue, it was one of two complaints inreally had. Its not just the clutch plate they use, its also they have a very nietrally balanced dual mass flywheel as well.. it was designed to be bias toward very smooth operation. 100percent take some of thisbyoutub money your cashing in on and buy either an ACT or centerforce clutch and promass fly wheel set up. I finally dug in and paid to have that installed a few months ago and hands down it fixed pretty much all my gripes with the clutch on and off road. That said, i don't think you really understand gearing based on this video. At least the gearing in the gladiator/jl trans. If i am understanding this video correctly,your complaints are primarily focused on 4 5 6 gears. 4th is a 1 to 1 ratio, so i am not even sure how jeep could "perfect" this one after 80 years as you keep saying 5 and 6 are both overdrives (which is my second complaint with the aisin d478 as i think 1 overdrive is enough). So neither gear is meant for getting up to speed quickly. If your slamming it into 6th at 70 woth that mojoave on 4.10 gears and 33s (assuming you havent regeared or gone larger on tires) then you are goingnto drop the rpms down to like 2k or lower, so again goignto bog the engine Also he 3.6 makes its peak power at 5k plus RPMs. I have found that i get better gas mileage if i let the roms creep up to 3k plus while accelrating befor shifting. Again look into the centerforce or ACT promass flywheels, they are pricey but if i could go back and make one modification day 1 that would be it.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

You make a good point about 4th being 1:1 and being a moot subject, but that doesn't excuse the ratios bookending them. I do agree with you, 5th and 6th are probably the most perplexing ones in the 'box. A case could be made that 1st and 2nd are geared for getting off the line with loads and/or 'wheeling. Same could be said for the flywheel weight. As for peak power, the Pentastar has good low-end grunt on paper, with peak torque coming on in the low 2000s. Peak HP is a different story, way up towards redline. In fact, 90% of peak TQ is available from about 1800 to 6300 RPM which makes the lethargic nature of this engine with the manual even more confusing. I would certainly like to try a Gladiator with an aftermarket flywheel and see how it feels!

Do you get the warning for the clutch overheating while off roading before the fix? How about after? Man this open recall really blows. Have you checked with the dealership? So yours is fixed already? How did they notify you?

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Alan, we bought in October and there was a stop sale. We had loaner automatic Gladiators for two months until the fix was finally released, and we picked out Mojave up from the dealer right before Thanksgiving! Ours was one of the first to have the recall done. They're releasing the recall in stages, starting with newest and working back to oldest I believe. If you go to the NHTSA website and do a recall search with your VIN, the recall will pull up and I believe the list is there with the expected release dates for all model years.

@AlanTrades

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview thanks I appreciate it

Have you tried a different flywheel?

I just picked up a new 2023 Jeep Wrangler Willys with a manual. What I'm finding is that I never use 6th gear, even on the highway--I cruise in 5th. Jeep should of eliminated the 6th gear and put the reverse gear there. I think it would make every day driving easier.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Agreed, I only use 6th over 70! I'm actually towing an enclosed trailer from Kansas to Daytona Beach this week and I've been in 4th most of the trip, but never once in 6th! Stay tuned I'll have a towing review soon!

Thanks for this video, I have loved my 21' Willys JT Manual Trans but it took awhile to get used to for sure. I agree with you fully. The thing that won me over for good with a manual in 40k miles on my 21 Willys JT is that it has lasted through a lot of abuse. The flywheel still feels great after all the slippage off road and with the ratio gaps and traffic on road. In the beginning it was frustrating as I was being careful to not slip or ride the clutch. The light clutch-feel and missing engagement point, the right pair of shoes did the trick for me as well as sitting closer to the steering wheel.. took some getting used to but is appreciated off road. Going into 3rd has always had a clatter when clutching out during acceleration and it never liked being shifted hard into 3rd. I've learned to ease it hastily with some slippage to avoid the clatter.. likely the multi-plate clutch or backlash between the trans gearsets. Keeping the revs up is the way to go for sure. The engine is plenty strong IMO above 4k RPM. Would be nice to have the torque down low but the character of it is good and fun albeit peaky. It was a surprise to me as well regarding the fuel consumption when lugging. The ratios were questionable to me until I put on 35's and with the factory 3:73 gears and 2:1 T-case, I still manage very well. 4th is the new 5th! Ha I only use 6th on flat ground or downhill when trying to save fuel. Still fun, on and off road. Design-wise, I sort of excuse the ratio gaps. the packaging of the trans and the two shaft design separating the gear sets in order to keep the case shorter are causing the surprising feel between 3rd and fourth. I don't envy the challenge of engineering a manual trans for abuse on and off-road as well as fuel economy behind a fleet engine. Some pitfalls but the strength seems to be there. For what the JT really is, the ability to drive in comfort and be as capable off-road, still amazing with all of the pitfalls. Sometimes it feels like a hot-rod and the manual trans helps with that. It would be hard to beat all the fun provided in one package.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Great comment, thank you! That reminds me, ours clatters into third when letting the clutch out too. It appears to be normal but it sure does sound bad.

@frankhetmanek5297

3 ай бұрын

yep, normal. Hasn’t gotten any worse but definitely caused me to adjust how i shift into third.

I’ve still got my 2006 jeep TJ Sport with a 6 Speed Manual Transmission… I think that one was created by Mercedes-Benz under “Daimler-Chrysler”and it’s worked flawlessly… I’m still on the original clutch since new… Meanwhile, I just purchased a brand new 2024 jeep JLU, Rubicon, with an automatic transmission, and I’m regretting my purchase… It’s gonna cost me if I take it back to trade it in for a manual…

I currently own three manual transmission vehicles. I'd be buying the JT to pull a small camper trailer (teardrop type), would you recommend a MT for towing or go with auto?

@LookitThisReview

4 ай бұрын

That's a great question but frankly, I don't have a definite answer for you just yet! I've towed with the auto Gladiator before but we'll be making our first trip towing with the MANUAL truck next week - Kansas to Florida! Be sure to subscribe because I'll have a full video review comparing it to the AT Gladiator!

@montanagirl4530

4 ай бұрын

most excellent! @@LookitThisReview

@matopezuta2050

3 ай бұрын

With the gear ratios from the factory you'll put a lot more wear on the manual than an automatic. That being said I do tow with the manual in my JLU, I just take it easy and watch my shift points.

@seanstrickland4970

3 ай бұрын

Just bought a new jeep gladiator 2023........ "hot clutch warning"..... sooooo take that how you will, taking it to the dealer tomorrow.. I'd stay away from jeep if I can do it all over again.

@tripleseven8361

3 ай бұрын

The 8 Speed Automatic, still allows you to manually select the appropriate gear as well…

I keep wanting to buy a Gladiator Sport base with the crank windows and manual locks. There is no other truck with that combination like it and it won't be another. I should buy one while I still can just to experience it.

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

DUDE I'm in!!! Base models are the best models! In fact this Mojave was as option-free as I could get it, intentionally. Go get that Sport base. 😎

Great video. Currently drive a 2011 JK Manual. Been thinking about whether when I pull the trigger to get a new 2024 Manual or Automatic, but after watching your video I may have to go with the MANUAL no matter what. In fact, I may have to order it online since they usually don't have any at the Jeep lots.

Thank u I needed ta see this. Jus tell me which one is I found a 2023 manual Wangler sport S 9K miles for 37,000 . But is it betta then getting a 2022. Cuss they look alike 😂 in I need help because I must have one dat is a manual they r fun.

Great video! I love my manual JL. 6th gear is absolutely useless as you stated.

Been driving mine a month and you described it perfect. But.....manual all day long.

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

MANUAL CREW!!!! 💪😀

Have you driven the new Toyota manual? I’d really like a comparison.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I haven't, but I've already contacted Eddy's Toyota to see if I can get my hands on one. Stay tuned. 😎

I own a '20 sport s with 3.45 gear ratio MT. I wanted a JLR MT but couldn't get one at the time. I figured I would do a full axle swap with 4.88s when done paying. Within a few weeks of owning it I realized the gearing problem. I am still baffled how Jeep could get this wrong. It feels like the MT was an afterthought. Also, I don't understand why the MT would not come equipped with 4:11 ratio as standard equip. I am a fast driver and I find 6th is quite useless unless driving down hill on the freeway at 75+ (running 33s but hardly any better with stock tires). Why pump out a transmission with a useless gear?? Besides, all MT Jeep guys I know are very particular about their rigs. I don't think the engineers are in tune with the customer needs at all. I previously owned an '03 sahara 5spd with 4.11s. No complaints with that one. How can they go backwards?

@100M2B

3 ай бұрын

The only Jeep engineer who knows how to drive the manual retired 5 years ago so nobody at the Jeep can test drive the manual. Why else? 🤷‍♂

@matopezuta2050

3 ай бұрын

It all comes down to fuel economy. The 3.45 can get better fuel economy and with the limited number of manuals sold the factory has less inventory putting out the same axle across the board.

@rtss9270

3 ай бұрын

You may be correct. At optimal conditions, it could possibly get better mileage. Under normal driving conditions, I highly doubt I get better gas mileage with 3.45s. Even the slightest gas pedal adjustment has the fuel economy meter go off scale because there is practically no torque in high gear.

@matopezuta2050

3 ай бұрын

The 3.73 like the diesel has would be better even than the 3.45 with a manual.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I'm curious to drive manual Jeeps with different gearing to see how they differ. If/when that happens, I'll do a comparison video!

I test drove a 2018 JL 2 door Rubicon and I like the manual transmission. Didn't get it because my wife can't drive manual so I opted to get the auto. Although the automatic has a good reputation, I would have prefered to stick with the Manual.

Sounds funny change to AMSOIL asap in the trans and tell me how much ya feel a difference bet it’s a lot

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Funny you mention that! I'm a BG Products guy, and I will be changing the fluid to BG at some point. I already have MOA in the engine. 👍

@iONsJeepingAdventures

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReviewI have a 2024 392 and changed to Amsoil after 500miles on diffs also

Had one put 50,000 on my rubi in a year just ran it at hi rpm’s and it was a blast

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

There ya go!

@tripleseven8361

3 ай бұрын

By to a certain extent, running the vehicle in high RPMs, defeats the value of having a manual transmission… Your fuel economy goes out the window…

Is the recall actually available for replacement? I was told back in August that there still isn't a fix so there is no need to schedule a replacement.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

They are releasing the fix in waves, presumably because the parts list is pretty extensive. Newest models first, back to older. If I recall correctly, older models could be 1-2 years out. What year is yours?

@andrewcasaday7218

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview I have a 21

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

The last info I saw said: 2018 will be open starting 4/18/24 2019 open to fix starting 6/4/24 2020 open to fix starting 7/2/24 and 2021 start 8/1/24 @@andrewcasaday7218

@andrewcasaday7218

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview thanks I appreciate the info

How many recalls were there on the cheap JK manual transmissions?

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I think there were three total. Two on the flywheel before they finally replaced the whole thing, and one on the reverse sensor. Edit: I misread your comment earlier! You asked about the JK trans. I see it's a dig at my comment about it being "cheap" feeling. 😁 To answer your question, I don't believe the JK ever has a trans recall! There's something to be said for simplicity and "leaving well enough alone". 👍

Good Job, nicely done. There is nothing in the Jeep Class

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! The Bronco is close... but still not quite the same.

My bream truck! I have a 20 Sport S JT auto.

DO NOT BUY A MANUAL JEEP. I was forced to sell my 2018 JL with 22K miles in 2023 before warranty was fully up. Open recall since 2019 and no fix!!! I dreaded being caught in traffic because it would get so hot. I have driven manual all my life and this was not right. Tech told me privately Jeep would not honor any recall after the 5 years and to dump it. I loved that car! So be warned.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Sorry you had that experience. The complete fix finally arrived November 2023 but it took far too long and many people (like you) left the brand because of that!

I consistently get 21 mpg out of mine with a manual.

i had a 2017 jk manual and im torn between a gti or a 2 door JL manual

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

Having owned a lot of GTIs (I've owned over 20 Volkswagens over the years and worked for Volkswagen for ten years), they're obviously very different vehicles in a lot of ways however they're both fun and you can't go wrong with either! 😎

@bowstobourbon

Ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview thanks, ended up getting a better deal on the gti so went that route and a MTB, cheers!

1st gear ratio is terrible. Just not enough power and length to get off the line in everyday driving. Had I a second chance, I probably would have gotten an auto (and a diesel).

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

It's awfully tall for sure. Then again, that's kind of a "truck thing".

So no one’s talking about how they recalled the 2022 manuals and they’re no longer making them

@LookitThisReview

Ай бұрын

?? I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

No torque out of the motor at low rpm. Like anything under 2100 rpm is near useless. Gearing may be wrong but I say it starts up front with the motor. Fine in the Challenger for high rpm fun but jeeps should have mass amounts of low rpm torque. like the old straight 6... Huge amounts of torque on low end and no top end. But that's what belongs in a Jeep. Again my opinion. I have a 22 gladiator 6 speed with 60'000 miles. Owned since day one. And unfortunately will never buy another FCA / stalantis product again. Good luck everyone and make a wise decision when spending that money on this overpriced aluminum cans that we drive.

The torque less 3.6 with light weight flywheel is the major problem . That is the reason for the 5.13 first gear ratio . Imagine how bad it would be with the 4.03 ratio that Jeep has used for years .

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

The 3.6 has pretty decent torque but it's admittedly not like the old 4.0L down low. The light flywheel is indeed an issue!

@rodgood

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview nothing from idle to 1800.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

@@rodgood actually, under 2000 RPM the torque curves are very similar. Any vehicle is building torque up to 2000 RPMs unless it's electric. Compare the curves of both engines, the 3.6 actually makes its peak torque under 3000 RPM whereas the 4.0 L doesn't reach peak torque until about 3200 RPM. Horsepower is a different story, and I think that's what we feel more than anything once these vehicles get going. Offroad, there should be a whole lot of difference between these two engines other than some additional grunt inherent to the nature of an inline engine.

@rodgood

3 ай бұрын

@@LookitThisReview I compared my 18 Rubicon manual to my 03 Rubicon.back to back . I use my Jeeps off road . I no longer own the JL Rubicon Manual.

Your complaints about the gear ratios sounds a lot like the complaints of 3rd gen Tacoma owners. I have one in an automatic and I call it the lazy teenager of transmissions. big hurry to get to the top gear and just stay their and do nothing. Lower gearing is always the answer.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Interesting. Now I have to track down a manual Taco and compare! 😁

My diesel Rubicon consistently gets 24 mpg overall average; and it has 2x the torque of a gasoline engine.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

The diesels are pretty awesome for sure!

I was halfway watching this video when you pulled it about two weeks ago :|

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Noooo I'm sorry! The upload was broken and the video froze about 3/4 of the way through. :(

At the end of the day manual is more fun.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

DAMN RIGHT! haha

No thanks, if you have to drive a lot in the city before taking Hwy to go to the bushes don't buy this annoying shit I had one regretted after a week .... Better get an automatic. enjoy your coffe at all times , change your music, eat a snack .. Intend of bangging gears and moving your left leg all the time like it's a workout fuck that.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Eh, to each their own. I prefer the engaging drive of a manual!

Chrysler reliable?!?! don't make me laugh.

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

Who said reliable? 😂

I have a late JK. I dont use 5th gear. Go atraight to 6. Exception is when towing on motorway uphill. Worst part of my manul is reverse gear. Hard to get is. Horrible ratio. Destroys clutch when backing a trailer.

It’s a Mopar they have allways been No 3 behind Ford and GM Oh Well!😅

@LookitThisReview

3 ай бұрын

I'd have agreed with this 5-10 years ago. Nowadays these three are swapping places year to year. Ford has big quality issues of their own and GM doesn't seem to be interested in building anything other than soulless crossovers. Strange times in the US auto industry.