Has a school boy i did a project about farm machine,s and JCB sent more items and info than any other company and i have always remembered that with GREAT RESPECT and admiration for JCB.

Great to know we still have some amazing talent and brilliant industry still here in England .Thank you Lord Bamford

@JM-yx1lm

Жыл бұрын

You have 1 place left.

@wyattfamily8997

Жыл бұрын

Hope they have security to protect their technology from China.

@piccalillipit9211

9 ай бұрын

YEP - this is what the UK should be doing - leading the way on the tech the world needs for the next 50 years. Not giving out oil and gas licences and hanging onto 100 year old technology

@mybigfatfrog7975

6 ай бұрын

@@wyattfamily8997 Toyota is way ahead in the game they are even going for ammonia combustion engines for ships.

@MrRaybrown007

Ай бұрын

​@@wyattfamily8997 if they wanted to save the planet shouldn't they be giving the knowledge away. Global warming is a scam.

🇬🇧As an Englishman, I am so proud of all of you at JCB ! Well done everyone from a humble Yorkshire Electrician 👍

@jamieford9391

Ай бұрын

Yes Brexit has been a fantastic uplift to the sector🇬🇧

3:30 Very interesting comment there by Lord Bamford stating that owners would be able to work on repairing the engines just like shop mechanics can, I find that very positive in light of how companies like John Deer go all out to prevent owners from even touching the motor etc.

JCB is one of the few gems left in British industry.

@travelcampervansandmore

Жыл бұрын

Certainly British owned.

@gplusgplus2286

Жыл бұрын

@@travelcampervansandmore and most important private, out of the stock markets. They don't have to please analysts and shareholders every quarter.

@jackiechan8840

Жыл бұрын

A lot of the 360 excavator drivers I talk to think they're shite.

@MitzvosGolem1

Жыл бұрын

Made in India..

@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589

Жыл бұрын

@@jackiechan8840 there's always one troll

Thanks Harry, a really interesting video. Hats off to JCB for the progress they've made towards hydrogen powered heavy duty vehicles. Also, credit to the company for maintaining their factories in Britain as well as opening up abroad.

@lynjames4306

Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, Hopefully the people who have not Managed to get it working are Watching this !!!!!, Brilliant Engineering form Jcb And the most comprehensive information so far with the Refuelling Shown, This is the most important game changer in modern history, Hopefully Jcb will work with the Australian mining company who have managed to use Diesel and Hydrogen in the combustion chamber with 85% Less Emissions, and Should be Able to be used as a After market Bolt on Kit ,Thanks Sir Anthony Bamford for placing British Products Again Ahead of the competition Amazing progress in a Few years Development, This Technology Should keep my 1963 Jcb 3c Running for the next 60 years 🤣👍

@highlandrab19

Жыл бұрын

Give it a few years and theyll shut the uk ones they were never going to close one set and open new ones at the same time

@tikasonar8116

Жыл бұрын

​@@lynjames4306 bond love ft tuj

@ghostrider7688

Жыл бұрын

@@highlandrab19 hope not mate

@robertdarby6553

Жыл бұрын

JCB worldwide manufacturing headquarters... India. Their direction of travel is obvious.

No talking - doing! Its good to see. Thank you JCB and Harry! Please keep on going.

This should be mandatory to view by every politician in the world! Excellent thanks to you and JCB

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

Yes. It must be mandatory viewing to show politicians how old established companies stuck in the past are just going up a blind alley. JCB is screwed if they do not change course.

Dear Harry please investigate hydrogen production, transportation and storage at the filling stations of the hydrogen. That will be an eye opener!

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

Yes. It will demonstrate very clearly why JCB is going up a blind alley and that they will be going the way of the dodo if they don not change.

@wahiba

Ай бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Industrial hydrogen use is at 350 bar which makes it easier to work with than for cars where it is 700 bar plus and often liquid does not take up the same room as gas. JCB have obviously considered the supply side, which for industry is different to domestic. If you want a green fuel for your car get a diesel and use bio fuel (ie cooking oil)

@rogerphelps9939

Ай бұрын

Farmers won't like paying through the nose for this nonsense. Liquid H2 on a farm? No way. JCB are toast.@@wahiba

@wahiba

Ай бұрын

Toasted in an hydrogen powered toaster? JCB provide mainly industrial plant and it seems to me they have included the Hydrogen supply chain in their calculations. Farmers being more intermittent in their use of power will no doubt use a mixture of electricity and hydrogen. We have been here before; horses to steam, steam to liquid fuel IC. The world did not end then, so why now?@@rogerphelps9939

Well done JCB, and not just some CEO, but the boss himself, that to me says a great deal, he's delighted to show what his team have done, congratulations JCB. Harry as a farmer's son, and an estate manager, I wondered how we would get the grass cut, battery power is just to heavy, I like this system. Thank you for taking the time to show us our future

Richard Hammond has definitely changed the last time we saw him..Thanks Richard very much enjoyed your latest JCB Engine video

Amazing, very impressive! Almost no limits for great engineering!

I worked in the same design office as Ryan at Triumph Motorcycles 20+ years ago. I'm very impressed and humbled by how far he's come.

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

Still a fossil fuel addict.

@JupiterThunder

2 ай бұрын

Triumph, a misnomer if ever there was one.

Congratulations to JCB for grasping the nettle and developing a replacement engine, and thanks to yourself for producing this video. Excellent.

@fradaja

9 ай бұрын

It’ll be their downfall

@ClifftopTragedy

2 ай бұрын

I hope it works. How much will it cost to keep full with hydrogen though? Petrol and diesel have had a century to mature. Other technologies won't be given as long before being ditched

Harry thank you this was fascinating and enlightening. Coming from the haulage background I have long had an inkling that flogging away at batteries for our needs just won't do it for a vast spread of road haulage operations. So I am surprised the major truck manufacturers have not started this push towards Internal Combustion Hydrogen. I think Hydrogen makes people think of fuel cells and thus it becomes very misunderstood. JCB make what they have gone for look easy! Interesting times ahead, keep up the great work on documenting this stuff

Excellent video, I’ve wanted to know about hydrogen fueling for years now, I’m also a farmer and could just not see how I could operate on battery powered tractors, excavators, pumps ect. I’m impressed and now have a more positive outlook for the future of agriculture and pastural businesses, especially here in Queensland , Australia where we have huge tracts of land that need to worked efficiently to produce food for the world market. Go JCB.

@timothyterrell1658

8 ай бұрын

Stay away from hydrogen fueled equipment. The hydrogen is the problem. You can never get around that it is hydrogen. Hydrogen is an explosive... If you don't understand,,put a match on a car battery with the cap off.🤨 It only takes a tiny little bit.💥

@Hogger280

2 ай бұрын

Well, you won't operate any better on H2 than on battery; get your checkbook out because it's going to cost you a lot more to do the same work you did with diesel!!

@quadcoptervision

2 ай бұрын

The aim of the banksters is to bankrupt the farmer corporates and seize the land and businesses... And frankly the farmers are playing into their hands as are the corporates......

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

you have a very limited imagination if you cannot see how you could operate on battery powered tractors etc. I can assure you that if you actually see a hydrogen powered tractor thew operating costs will shock you. Batteries are the way ahead.

Thank you so much for showing us this. Great to see some companies going down this route, electricity & battery technology isn't the answer to everything. I hope JCB prosper developing this tech.

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is not the solution for powering agricultural machinery.

@Banditmanuk

2 ай бұрын

@rogerphelps9939 I guess you will always find haters of hydrogen tech as you will with electric. As a former farmer, I find the diesel engine very hard to beat. Hydrogen has to be seriously considered if we aren't going to be able to use diesel in the future. Why not upload a video and explain your reasoning.

@TheTwistedStone

Ай бұрын

@@Banditmanuk Plenty of eco alternatives to diesel fuel that will power regular diesel vehicles and some of the newer diesel engines are the cleanest on the planet so why the change ?

Once it gets to one dollar a kilo,the govt will tax it up to five.

Brilliant presentation, very informative. Thank you Harry

Great video Harry - so good to see this great solution for these types of big heavy hardworking machines. Thank goodness JCB have poured money into this & developed it given the lack of interest & support from UK Gov.

The future lies in a mix of technologies. No one technology or solution fits all applications.... automotive, agriculture, mass transit, aviation etc. This solution would appear to suit the agriculture application well (unlike battery electric) but the main issue is that you don't just dig a hole in the ground and suck up hydrogen, it's massively energy intensive to produce. So the environmental credentials of each technology/solution is still a challenging problem, just like other technologies. Very interesting though.

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

Who says that hydrogen ICEs are superior to battery electric? The hydrogen infrastructure is not there and they can't even make it work for cars plus the fact that running costs are very high. Just about every farm is connected to the electricity grid and tractors are very rarely in use all night. JCB are backing the wrong horse.

@nephos100

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerphelps9939 Hi Roger. If it can work for large formerly diesel machinery, how come it won't work for cars? I've talked to mechanics who have converted their petrol cars to hydrogen as a hobby project and with an onboard water electrolysis unit! The car made its own hydrogen and powered the car no problem.

@callumcurtis15

5 ай бұрын

@@nephos100 🤣🤣🤣 they got you good .

@nephos100

5 ай бұрын

@@callumcurtis15 Good one, Callam. Next time provide an argument. Otherwise, just let the adults talk.

@nicholaspostlethwaite9554

2 ай бұрын

@@nephos100 It is not that hydrogen 'can not work', but it is not any good, practical. There were hydrogen filling stations set up in several countries including the UK by Shell, they have closed them, another country recently. The only hydrogen that would or will be acceptable is that made from electricity, cleanly. It delivers about a third of the power needed to create it. 4th largest iron ore producer Fortescue tried out big equipment in both Hydrogen and electric power versions and have dumped hydrogen as electric was so much better. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGuimdOkY7G_YM4.html covered at about 2;30 in on that.

Great video Harry! I had the chance to spend a week at the JCB test site quarry last summer for work experience and got to try out the hydrogen machines. It's really amazing how much technology has progressed with these engines. I think 2023 is going to be a really exciting year for more developments!

@fishwars5979

Жыл бұрын

Yeah like my self cleaning pants .who gives a shit? We won't be around when this if at all becomes the norm.

@seanwalsh4142

Жыл бұрын

@@fishwars5979 What happens to the shit on your pants? Does the self cleaning feature require more energy to clean than the energy input. Shit stain :Force = Mass x Velocity squared divided by area affected.

@Tim091

Жыл бұрын

JCB could make money selling "Experiences" at the test site quarry!

@patrickchang-leng1073

9 ай бұрын

Love your comment, could you advise on how my recently graduated son could get work experience at JCB? The future is looking a lot brighter.

Lord Bamford. A forward thinking man. Respect

Fascinating insight into the world of hydrogen powered machines. Really enjoyed watching. Great to see Stanley is back!

Brilliant! JCB, British innovation at it's best. So exciting. Well done Lord Bamford & JCB expertise

People used to joke 'hydrogen is the fuel of tomorrow... and it always will be.' It looks like tomorrow is finally arriving - well done Lord Bamford and JCB! Politicians can decide what they like but it will always be real world innovators who shape the future. Great video Harry, exciting times.

@Ingens_Scherz

Жыл бұрын

I thought that joke was about nuclear fusion reactors, wasn't it? (Not hydrogen.)

@lucylovitt9583

Жыл бұрын

Politicians do not make decisions - corporations DO! Same the world over

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

Actuallyhysrogen is still the fuel of tomorrow.

@bleydmcfaddin3843

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Ingens_Scherz it was both bro

Harry, please make more videos about this, especially in terms of hydrogen production, transportation, storage, network of places to refill, etc. it feels like these aspects of hydrogen could use more light shined on them.

@tonedeafjd

Жыл бұрын

Or you could just watch the Simpsons, same result.

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Then we will see that hydrogen is an expensive folly.

Thanks Harry - these are some of the best videos you do. Mega hats off to JCB (British and family owned, remember!).

Great innovation from JCB and definitely the right early adoption move for the company to thrive in the market.

@HiberNAT

Жыл бұрын

A lot of more pressures and more parts, inservicable and expensive

@jukeseyable

Жыл бұрын

sadly not. hydrogen is a dead end as it requires massive amounts of electricity to make it. there are 3 grades of hydrogen Green blue and brown, the green is as you would expect enviromentally friendly. but the brown and blue come with massive Co2 creation. The brown is made directly from coal

@GoogleAreDumb

Жыл бұрын

It's grossly more efficient to use the electricity to charge a battery than to produce hydrogen. You need on the order of 5-10x as much electricity to produce the requisite amount of hydrogen, as you would if you'd just charged a battery and used an electric motor. I work with hydrogen in aviation. It has a small number of niche use cases. But it is not viable for cars, heating, and frankly I highly doubt the cost per kWh for agriculture will ever allow this to be adopted by farmers.

@jukeseyable

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-S1 if you had taken the time to read my comments you will see that I clearly state that there are 3 types of hydrogen , green, blue and brown. What you are talking about here is termed green hydrogen. unfortunately it is the least produced version accounting for less than 5% as it is the most expensive of the methords

@jonathancullen1337

Жыл бұрын

​@@jukeseyableIf you had taken the time to do some proper research you would know that there are many more colours of H2. Pink (nuclear) Grey (Nat. Gas) Black (coal) Brown (Lignite) Blue (Nat. Gas with CCS ie a con job) Green (electrolysis via renewable energy) and even turquoise, yellow and white. Take your pick lol

Brilliant. Great British engineering with a confident commitment. Light at the end of the tunnel.

Fantastic video. I love how enthusiastic and excited the JCB engineers are about the project. At a cost of £15 per litre- at today’s prices hydrogen will cost £150 per day. At £20 per hour + overheads an excavator driver might cost £240. The hydrogen is not insignificant, but it is not going to dominate the cost of doing a job with an off-road vehicle. I can see this being adopted for work in ULEZ zones, and spreading out from there.

Good job a British company has got its head screwed on and moving forward. Still using the internal combustion engine but now with hydrogen well done. Lord Bamford and the team of engineers great staff.

Great video Harry, Great to see a British company at the forefront of hydrogen power.

Great to see, I remember watching your previous visit to JCB and it is great to see how far they have progressed their development, at least one British manufacturer who gets on with it ! Obviously the fly in the ointment is the production of green hydrogen but I'm totally in agreement with you, the end result will be a 'mixed' solution rather than one size fits all. I have always thought that the emphasis on electric cars which costs ridiculous amounts of money is totally misplaced, we need to tackle the big pollouters who run 12+ hours a day like buses, artics and trains to name a few.

@Wouter-van-der-Molen

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of electric busses to choose from on the market already. It just gonna require govts buying and mandating them. my local area has electric busses only and houses Ebusco an electric bus firm selling them like hot cakes.

@gordonlennox4501

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention supertankers traversing the globe. on a smaller scale the humble motorhomer who could run his hydrogen powered engine, heat and cook his meals all on hydrogen- now that diesel and LPG are becoming extinct.

@johnhaynes9910

Жыл бұрын

@@Wouter-van-der-Molen And in the UK in the post war era, trolley buses and trams plus in more recent times hydrogen buses which have been around for a time too. I think the main point though is that the future will need several different 'solutions' rather than one. The problem with 'green' hydrogen currently is cost and for battery vehicles, weight and indeed, the very battery technology itself. Perhaps the most interesting vehicle shown was the hydrogen 'tanker' which would take the fuel to the vehicles where they are working, farms and construction sites.

@johnhaynes9910

Жыл бұрын

@@gordonlennox4501 Absolutely, I was surprised to find how much polution shipping emits :)

@maxtorque2277

Жыл бұрын

Ha, if you think electric cars are "too expensive" i can't wait for you to find out the purchase and runing cost for a Hydrogen one....... ;-)

Great summary. With any energy ‘solution’ you have to consider the whole back story.

Great video Harry. One of the best. Thank god we have people like Lord Bamford and his chaps. I have no doubt they are treading the right path. Great stuff. Keep us updated👍

Thanks for doing these videos Harry. I'm really interested in what the future holds and I found the first video to be very informative. This one is a great follow-up.

11:50 Whilst there is no carbon in the fuel, all internal combustion engines consume a little engine oil during operation. It’s just the way the engine functions. I hope the redesign for hydrogen has incorporated some secret design elements that reduce the oil consumption to virtually zero. JCB is truly a legacy company that the British can be proud of. I wish them all the success 👍

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

It is legacy in the worst sense of the word.

@davidiscostarica6097

2 ай бұрын

They do make biodegradable motor oil, so once H2 motors are everywhere., the demange will increase.

@keithturner3580

16 күн бұрын

Modern engines burn very little of their lubrication oil even at 95000 miles I have yet to need to top up between services.

excellent explanation of the tech, and JCB are brilliant (despite Lord B!)

Fantastic video Harry. This is fascinating and hats off to JCB for their work on this. Realistically, this seems like the future rather than batteries and EVs.

Great video Harry, you asked all the technical questions many journalists in the construction industry haven’t asked in their visits. And thank you for putting the nox question to them. As an owner of construction plant I am following developments of JCB and hydrogen very closely. Battery tech as it stands just won’t cut it for us

@brushlessmotoring

Жыл бұрын

I'd be curious on some diesel L/hour numbers for different types of equipment, and typical run times for single shifts, when you say batteries wont cut it - nothing will be a drop in replacement for a 350L diesel tank, not hydrogen either, its a crazy amount of energy in a small light easy to handle liquid - a true miracle fuel - but if we are going to move past it, we will need to inconvenience ourselves a little, the question is, how much are willing to adjust our ways? Because if it's "it must be the same as diesel" then you will never get there.

@maxtorque2277

Жыл бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring Doing the maths shows that a battery electric solution isn't actually THAT far away if you can enable battery swapping ie not have to wait to charge batteries on the vehicle itself, which seems eminently possible for large plant machinery 350 litres of diesel at 36.9 MJ/litre is indeed a huge total energy store of 12.9GJ of energy. However an internal combustion engine only turns about 20% of that energy into useful work when run at typical (variable) loads and a hydraulic power transfer system is mono-drectional and again has poor efficiency. Studies in fact show average installed efficiency for industrial hydrualics at just 22%! Even if we generously suggest that for something like an excavator the hydrualics manage 33% efficiency that means the machine actually delivers 774 MJ of work from that 350 litre tank (6% percent efficiency tank to work........) 774MJ could be delivered with a battery electric system of around 860Mj input energy, which is 240 kWh. Yes that's a big battery, but not ridiculously so in terms of mass and bulk when we are talking about heavy plant machinery. (around 1,200 kg / 380 litres of battery). As battery cell costs fall and the operators start to understand the lower running costs of battery electric machinery, i expect these sorts of solutions to rapidly take over.

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. He was farr too uncritical. A proper investigator woulf have torn it to shreds.

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

He actually dived into the minutiae of something that is pretty conventional and completely ignored rthe massive hydrogen elephants in the room.

Great video, and great efforts by JCB. Could be interesting to learn more about the efficiency comparisons with Fuel Cells. Historically FuelCells have been more efficient. As a side note it is interesting to see that the drive to hydrogen in Construction Industry is driven by Historic Racing entusiast Lord Bamford. Our company Applied Hydrogen doing similar work but with Fuel Cells are also run by Historic Motorsport enthusiasts. We bring the world forward with our passion.

I have a 3.5 litre car. Wouldn't it be nice if I could retro-fit an hydrogen power plant? Brilliant work JCB and great video Harry.

For Africa this is a game changer. JCB through their Raze H2 business (Jo Bamford's business) have a deal with an Aussie firm, Fortescue to establish a supply of friendly Hydrogen (as green as possible). With renewable energy costs falling daily means the costs of H2 production is falling rapidly.

Great to see more of your content on alternative fuels, Harry. I'm still not sold on the infrastructure and production sides of H for fuel (tho it's promising), but, moving forward, we obviously need to move to a carbon neutral setup yet the industrial and commercial sides of that is immense and doesn't get much press coverage .... Good on you for continuing to do so.

@AG-ie7nt

Жыл бұрын

Obvious? ... I think not. The sun drives our climate and the warmer the oceans the more Co2 is produced. We are helping the planet the more Co2 we produce, we are at 400ppm at the moment so dangerously close to the 120ppm which is the death of plants... DEATH OF PLANTS!!!! 4000ppm is when there is abundant life. Don't be fooled by the people that push climate lies, they just want to tax you. But at the current rate of oil usage we only have around 300 years... so no rush to find alternatives. You listen to controlled media... LIES LIES LIES Of coarse you won't listen because you have been hypnotised by the constant bombardment..

@grahamebennett3875

8 ай бұрын

We don’t need to move away from Co2 . Ppm is only just 250 ppm over the death of plant life. We need more Co2 not less.

Thanks Harry good video, good to get some answers on the high Nox question and nice solution they have gone for lower firing temperature. One thing to keep in mind though, especially for mainstream products (cars) using high volumes of hydrogen would become problematic as the complete cycle efficiency from green energy to hydrogen makes it non competitive vs battery. Green energy converted into kinetic energy through a motor (~95% efficiency) and battery losses take to you say 80% efficiency. However, converting green energy to hydrogen through electrolysis 75%, then combustion at 40% gets you to 30% cycle efficiency before you have taken into account compression losses to pump it to high pressures. Happy to educate you more if you are interested!

@backacheache

Жыл бұрын

Your right, the maths don't work out for cars but for construction and marine these could be a game-changer.

Sir Anthony Bamford. A true captain of industry.

What an excellent and very informative video, Harry. It's great for JCB to allow you to share this excellent technology. it looks like a better system to battery power.

As someone who works for a company that converts trucks, we are currently struggling to go battery electric, for our specific application. Battery technology just isn't good enough, at present. We do convert CNG powered trucks, but they also have issues with range/hours in use. I just wonder if Hydrogen is much better. Hydrogen at high pressure is a bit worrying, if things go wrong , a road crash for example. Another problem is making hydrogen, its energy intensive. We'll see if anyone else in the construction/agri world( John Deere, Caterpillar etc) goes down this route.

@caterthun4853

Жыл бұрын

Also the early hydrogen engines needed very clean air which resulted in frequent filter changes.

@backacheache

Жыл бұрын

@@caterthun4853 that was the fuel cell type, combustion engines like these aren't as fussy making them better for construction, farming, marine, etc.

@backacheache

Жыл бұрын

By thier nature, In a destructive situation the carbon-fibre tanks rip open (rather than go bang) and then the gas fly's away rather than be an ignition risk (as petrol would be)

@rohansprenger6902

Жыл бұрын

@@backacheache at 350x atmospheric pressure, I'd rather not be anywhere near it if it "rips open".

@rkan2

Жыл бұрын

@@rohansprenger6902 CNG is already 200-300.. Don't do steel tanks boys - there are a lot of videos of 10 year old cars making quite the havoc! (Most of them are just rusted out tanks that were supposed to be replaced already). Carbon fiber tanks should probably last 2-3 times that.

Very smart process JCB for designing from the ground up an entirely new engine that performs exactly the same as the older Diesel one! I congratulate you on your efforts to make our future greener and thank you from the bottom of my heart! Also to have thought of creating the vehicule that transports the Hydrogen to the machineries in the field in just brilliant! As an Engineer, I am so glad to see beautiful projects such as these come to light! Bravo!!!

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

JCB will end up like Morgan. An outdated irrelevance shackled to an outdated technology. The future is electric.

@walterrwrush

Жыл бұрын

When people can buy an electric one, no noise, electric actuators, no hydraulic oil, electricity from any source, why would you bother with all that complicated hydrogen tec slowly eating it own plumbing

JCB... a jewel in the crown of innovative British industry.

Truly educational. Comprehensive breakdown of the how's . TY

When I was a kid in the '70's, people talked about hydrogen power, but many of those talking said it wasn't feasible. Nevertheless, it was thought that hydrogen - were it ever to materialize - could possibly be an answer to our biggest energy problems. Now that it's here, however, it sounds like there are still some obstacles to overcome. It will be interesting to see how this develops in the future. Thanks for an educational video.

@MyKharli

Жыл бұрын

Its greenwash bs

@truth.speaker

Жыл бұрын

Hydrogen is merely an energy storage method Batteries work at 80% efficiency Hydrogen is closer to 30%. Meaning 70% of what you put in is wasted Innovation? Or hype?

@pauljshields123

Жыл бұрын

The machine can work 24hrs two 12 shifts...electrical machine is parked up on charge. .

@truth.speaker

Жыл бұрын

@@pauljshields123 what building site is working 24 hours a day? Remember the infrastructure required to obtain hydrogen, even at ridiculous prices, that takes up lots of room or requires someone to leave site to take the machine to a high pressure filling site. It would be faster and more compact to just have 2 batteries or 2 machines and not need the additional infrastructure. It is also far cheaper. Charging is getting faster. It may be that one day we will be able to run a cable to charge the machine while working or fast charge it during breaks. Or just overnight charge it and use a bigger battery that lasts all day We can already build big batteries. Just stack more on. The technology and infrastructure is already present. So this so called advance that requires massive infrastructure that can't be done locally on site will not work. You can pour money into forcing it to work, but a better manufacturer will say "our machines use half the power and cost one third of our leading competitor. Choose our reliable option that doesn't put out water and rust. It is sealed and works in all weathers. Reliable and very cheap. Doesn't need taking off site to refill once a day, so saves on labour costs, and improves safety with a sealed cell power unit instead of liquid gas. There is no catastrophic risk if punctured." They will get every contract going because their option is so much cheaper, so much easier and so much safer. It doesn't need off site refuelling or require on site distilling plants taking up space, requiring training and massive energy costs, and increased risk and danger. This is not a suitable energy storage medium for building sites. Cars very seldom need driving for 20 hours straight, so even in cars it is unlikely most people would have much use for this new technology. Plus faster charging may one day mean a charge in minutes. It's not far off that already.

@Simon-dm8zv

Жыл бұрын

@@truth.speaker Hydrogen in combustion engines is even worse than that 30%.

What a fascinating video and congratulations to JCB. The Government needs to pull its finger out and get realistic about its Net Zero goals.

JCB is doing GREAT work.❤

I have a JCB backhoe 214 excellent Allis Chalmers had a hydrogen fuel cell farm tractor experiment in 1954. Excellent 👍 Cheers

Congratulations to Lord Bamford, for the foresight into using hydrogen. And the engineers at JCB in making it work. Great program Harry

A superb post there Harry. It strikes me again having watched the previous video two years ago that Lord Bamford is an amazing chap. I really hope all JCB’s R&D efforts can win the day commercially. I do have my concerns about Hydrogen production but hopefully they know something that we don’t. Fingers crossed that if there’s a Part 3 to this story that the final outcome is a good one

@lucylovitt9583

Жыл бұрын

30.000 farms and temporary building sites putting in hydrogen storage and safety facilities.....you really think that's viable?

@StevenLangdale

Жыл бұрын

It won't win. Hydrogen combustion engines are about 20-25% efficient. Hydrogen fuel cell engines, anywhere between 40-60%. Only one technology will prevail.

@nickwebb9290

Жыл бұрын

@@StevenLangdale You’d better get in touch and tell JCB then, it’s no good telling me

WHY haven't we heard about this excellent work on BBC Countryfile or even the News?

Great video, thank you for sharing.

Great video, Harry, and a good follow up to your July 2021 video. It is so disappointing that the British Government seems to be totally focused on electric as the only solution to meeting zero emissions in spite of all its well recognised shortcomings. Maybe we should all be writing to our MPs to wake them up to alternatives such as this one you have highlighted here. Keep this stuff coming!

@flipperth1

Жыл бұрын

The government are a waste of space. They’re only looking out for themselves - it’s got to be up to industry (and companies like JCB) to sort this out. Just have to sort out hydrogen infrastructure.

@caterthun4853

Жыл бұрын

Also they seem to believe against the expert opinion that hydrogen will replace domestic gas boilers and hobs. Hydrogen is a difficult gas to contain and pipework in ground just not practical. Also problem of nox being produced in kitchens

@tonys1636

Жыл бұрын

@@caterthun4853 Biogas answers that its Methane (natural gas) produced by a biodigester fed with food and animal waste. Not only producing gas but high quality natural (odour free) fertiliser/compost as well. No more complaining neighbours to the farmer next door for slurry/muck heap spreading. Already producing it here and feeding it into the gas network.

@brushlessmotoring

Жыл бұрын

@@caterthun4853 can you clarify your statement? I think you missed a 'not' somewhere. Electric cooking is the way to go. Combusting piped hydrogen in the home would be nuts.

@backacheache

Жыл бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring He's referring to biomethane where you clean-up the methane coming from a digester and pump it into the mains-gas network, however looking at it purely from a financial perspective it makes more sense to use the dirty methane in a compatible generator rather than spending money on cleaning it up to mains-gas standards. One answer though is to use a cleaner feedstock in the digester such as grass (which in turn can be fed by the compost left over)

Very interesting! Kudos to JCB for making the investment and sharing it with you. Perhaps a fuel for the bigger family cars as well in the future?

This is the best vid you have done so far Harry. Well done to you and even more so to JCB.

Thank you for a well presented and informative video! 🎉😊

This is an excellent video, as a diesel engineer im watching the hydrogen world with a keen eye. I do wonder what the crash protection of the storage tanks is like, 350bar is a huge amount of pressure to let go. The huge RPM of the turbocharger makes me wonder if that's a single point of failure.

@kawasakikev8905

Жыл бұрын

some turbos already spin at 280,000 in petrol engines , Diesels spin slower ,i think what they have achieved is a turbo that spins very quickly at low engine revs but not a turbo that spins any faster than a petrol turbo .

@lipsee100

Жыл бұрын

I think you have probably seen a turbo glowing red/white hot and still run reliably ,I think a few revs will not do any harm. Also I have drove gas Scania,s with carbon tanks on the sides with no issues.

Really interesting video Harry! Hydrogen seems an easier shift, than the use of batteries for our bigger kit 😊

@backacheache

Жыл бұрын

Yes, hydrogen for jcb's upwards and battery's for everything else

Imagine this, it's 11:00 pm on December 24th. You're 300 miles from home sitting in a Mall parking lot with nothing open for over a mile away. Only one spot at the charging station is working and it is SLOW, no fast charging available. It's going to get down to -20f tonight and your Heater is using 70% of the chargers output. You know the range of your vehicle is cut almost in half because of the temps and it will be morning before you get to 80% charge. You will need to charge two more times before you get home...hopefully before dark. Now, aren't you glad you're saving the planet and driving an electric vehicle! Thank You, Lord Bamford for giving us more options and Thank You, Harry for covering this technology.

@BillyBob-ri9pm

Ай бұрын

Norway with almost 50% EV uptake now. Plus Sweden, Denmark and Finland with major electric vehicle uptake too, these have the highest uptake in Europe. But of course these are all countries with VERY warm climates.... just stop with the ICE disinformation it's getting boring now.

@honorharrington4546

Ай бұрын

@@BillyBob-ri9pm You can lead a man to water but you can't make him think. Ask any Ford dealer about all those F150 Lightnings that they can't keep in stock. Ask any Fire Department about how they are going to handle a Thermal Runaway Event caused by an EV accident or event... and what the health effects are going to be for the local population. It's not disinformation when it ca be backed op by international news reports!

Absolutely brilliant video Harry, thanks for that.

Great progress from JCB, hopefully other manufacturers will take it up to, especially the truck industry. Fantastic video keep this kind of content coming

Hello Again, Well Harry this really just shows what a company (JCB) can do when the owner wants to make changes, brilliant, very impressive and well explained. Regards, RichardA.

@rogerphelps9939

2 ай бұрын

Bamford is deluded if he thinks hydrogen is the future.

Really Really Great video that was a wealth of information but ill tell you one thing ill miss that Beautiful Diesel Rattle lol thank you mr Harry !!!

Brilliant Harry, thankyou for sharing. 🙏🙏🙏👍🇬🇧

The biggest problem for hydrogen is the distribution. It requires rughly to ten times more lorrys to distribute hydrogen than diesel. Thanks for a nice vid!!

@0skar9193

2 ай бұрын

Does it? Surely at higher compression less volume is required for the same return for kWh per g as diesel.

Very exciting. Im delighted to see such a big company is pushing for this technology. it wont be today or tomorrow that we will see it perfect but you have got to start somewhere. Just like the first ICE engines they weren't perfect and took awhile to get to where they re today. please bring more videos like this. Loved watching this.

Very INTERESTING. Thanks for sharing.

Great video. thanks for the insights, harry.

Why can I just give 1 thumbs up and not a 100 or more? Awesome content Harry. As a cityguys a new world opens to me especially the fuel logistics nowadays used by farmers and contractors. (bring the fuel to the equipment/machines).

It takes 50 kWh of electricity to produce 1kg of hydrogen from pure water.

@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254

Жыл бұрын

On that basis a hydrogen vehicle is about as energy efficient as an electric vehicle.

@kevinashurst634

Жыл бұрын

@@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 err no. a hydrogen car will go about 60 miles on 1kg of hydrogen, A modern electric car will go about 180 miles on 50 kWh.

@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinashurst634 do your research a little more thoroughly and I think you will come to a different conclusion 🧐

@kevinashurst634

Жыл бұрын

@@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254 I have, please explain how a hydrogen car is as efficient as an EV?

@wibblywobblyworldofboats6254

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinashurst634 it's plainly obvious that you're working from figures that have been pulled from the first page of Google. 🙈 I give up.

Excellent and Informative !!!

Brilliant video Harry. So interesting. I've said for a long time hydrogen is the future. Good for Farmers and environmental.

That almost sounds like a diesel engine to me. Going to be interesting to see this develop.

That level of engineering development work is quite amazing in 2 yrs! So proud this is a UK company. Good stuff! 😮😊😮

Lord Bamford is a inspiration a innovator. The UK 🇬🇧 should be very proud of this representative of forward thinking. JCB is a world 🌎 market leader 👏 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧😊👌

Great video Harry`s Farm.

You have to remember that Green Hydrogen is not a source of energy, unlike the grey Hydrogen that is currently used by JCB. Green Hydrogen is just a means of storing energy just like a battery. You start with electrical energy, throw away 25% of it to convert water to Hydrogren, then throw away 10% to compress it, throw more away transporting it on a tanker to a filling station. Throw more of it away to compress it in to the to the vehicles tanks. Finally if using an internal combustion engine throw 50% of it away as waste heat. Probably the energy losses could be justified for some applications (like aviation) but the infrastructure to distribute it is more of a problem. We can't put more than 10% hydrogen in to our current gas network because it will embrittle the plastic pipes. I can't see the country being able to afford to double up our gas network with a hydrogen network even if we just connect filling stations. This is because Hydrogen is really difficult to pipe because it leaks out through conventional gas joints and you can't use conventional plastic pipes which would make a hydrogen pipe network more than double the cost of an CNG network. As a result it is always going to have to be transported by tanker. However Hydrogen compressed to very high 700bar takes up 6 times the amount of volume for the same energy as petrol and liquifying it which takes a lot of energy only reduces this to 4 times the volume. Consequently you are going to need 6x the number of fuel tankers to transport it. Although I would love Hydrogen to be a competitor to battery technology I just can't see it happening on a wide scale.

@jonnybloggs6790

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic brake down of it all buddy 👌 they have also forgot to mention the massive fire and explosion effects if these goes up In fire 🔥..to me it would make more sense to have a technology that extracts the carbon from the diesel before it even gets to the farm ..as the saying goes you can’t get more out than you put in .. it’s all about balance

@markclark4154

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately using this grey hydrogen release’s more CO2 than burning the CH4 in the engine directly. To produce 1kg of hydrogen by electrolysis requires 50 kWh of electricity and 9 litres of water. That over 9 pounds just for the electricity alone. Then it still needs to be compressed and transported. One pound per kg is not going to happen.😢

@kawasakikev8905

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnybloggs6790 they also forgot to mention the fire and explosion possibilities with battery vehicles , it doesn't take much to find a video showing what happens when one of those " green " solutions goes wrong

@oakfieldfarm4131

Жыл бұрын

Good points, well made. Thanks.

@nickbea3443

Жыл бұрын

@@kawasakikev8905 Any source of concentrated energy has a fire/ explosion risk. Why are you equating only green solutions having this happen? They aren't portrayed as being any safer. Never seen an old fashioned petroleum fuelled vehicle on fire?

Working on the edge of the development of bio-hydrogen technologies, it's great to see the other end of the hydrogen fuel system so well developed - this will push others in the sector significantly I hope. Really good video, thank you.

Absolutely superb work from JCB Harry. And thank you for that insightful video.

This is a super interesting video and congratulations to JCB for their hard work. I am in Australia and would like to see you develop in Australia as well. Well done Harry

On a tour of the Cummings factory 20 years ago they said that they believed if an engineer could come up with a commercially viable method for storing gas in a similar volume as diesel in a compact size they would be billionaires. It is certainly an interesting direction along with the CNH methane engines it will be interesting to see the true viability in the sector as a lot is certainly going to depend on infrastructure especially given how a lot of locals view planning applications for such things .

@rogerphelps9939

Жыл бұрын

Storin g high pressure hydrogen is an expensive and dangerous business. That is why hydrogen has not caught on in cars and won't catch on in tractors either.

@the_lost_navigator7266

Жыл бұрын

Cummins are already building Hydrogen engines too. Interesting to see it develop.

@blueocean2510

Жыл бұрын

Dacia have Duel Fuel, LPG & petrol. The LPG tank is fitted in space for spare wheel. LPG is good value and gives good mileage.

I really enjoyed this. This sounds really promising and I hope this can find its way into all sorts of vehicles. EV, hydrogen and alternative fuels is a well rounded approach to sorting the issue.

Thanks Harry; congratulations to JCB, but without your presentation people like me would not know about it.

Bravo! Amazing. Great video. Unbelievable progress in a fuel source they said was unviable. It seems storage medium have developed far better than battery technology.

I love this, but no one talks about the loss of hydrogen while the equipment is unused, due to the pressure tank needing to relieve pressure as the tank warms up.

@johnhebenton1525

Жыл бұрын

it's just the angel's share, works wonders for Whisky. Vintage Hydrogen anyone?

@0skar9193

2 ай бұрын

As systems are refined the small problems will be resolved. Everyone slating hydrogen are the same as people slating electric vehicles 10 years ago. Conventional ICE engines are safer & more efficient than they were 10 years ago. Investment drives innovation.

Really love the video Harry, and the eagerness to learn about modern tech, and show it to us!. Going to get a lot of hate for this one, but I really want to be convinced hydrogen is better than BEV, especially for these applications, but unfortunately the physics of hydrogen really isn't working in my brain. I'm not blinded by the electric/diesel/hydrogen side of the fence, but you really can't beat the numbers, and ultimately consumers will buy what's cheapest to run, and what is the best experience. Off the napkin maths from their H2 numbers seems to suggest that the first tractor shown only uses about 250kWh a day worth of Hydrogen? In that size of machinery, 250kWh worth of battery capacity is child's play... and that's on current chemistry not future. Of course that may not be possible to charge overnight in all locations, and whilst most locations could, the same 'diesel bowser' approach applies, where a MWh scale battery can be located to site in exactly the same way, at a MUCH lower unit cost. We already use high-power feeds for sites in most examples anyway, so the work is almost already done for us. For every 1 tanker of diesel delivered now, you'd need 6 of them for hydrogen because of its energy density - that sounds like a lot of disruption to me for no cost benefit. The reason BEVs have won over H2 in cars are because they provide a superior user experience, not because they're green. Whether that's the experience of the drivetrain or the cost of operation. To me, JCB bragging that this will be indistinguishable from a diesel experience is their biggest problem, there's absolutely no incentive for the user to move other than the flamboyant choice of paint colour. The fundamental vehicle architecture needs to change to take full advantage of each fuel type (like where ground-up BEVs are much, much better than ICE conversions, so same goes here - they should look completely different to conventional designs), and since the user experience with H2 isn't better, and for it to be sustainable all H2 must come from renewable energy anyway, physics is screaming for us to cut out the useless middleman. The promise of green H2 really does feel like the gateway to blue/grey H2 which is just burning gas - bringing us back to square 1 (I fear this is the idea all along anyway). I understand that JCB want to reuse as much of their sunk capital in diesel development as possible, which makes sense for their business, but in terms of the technology it's just all wrong. I think the bottom line is that for every 1 wind turbine or solar panel needed to power BEV machinery, there needs to be 2 or 3 for H2, that means at least double the land use, double the capital investment, and double the unit cost for the same output. That seems to be the fundamental floor that H2 can never overcome. Whilst we need to explore every new technology to reduce our impact, like this one, it needs to be better and cheaper for the user, and if it's not it's time to move to the next. The numbers don't lie, and the market will weed out the worst technologies either way...

@GoogleAreDumb

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I'm working on hydrogen for aviation applications at the moment, and for that specific use case hydrogen makes more sense than batteries for the foreseeable future. But that's due to a set of challenges that don't apply for ground vehicles. Maybe these bits of heavy machinery are a borderline case with current battery tech, I imagine JCB have run the numbers and won't argue with them! But I can't see that lasting long term. Hydrogen cars and hydrogen for home heating are totally impractical, and always will be. It just isn't going to happen, batteries and heat pumps are going to win because they're superior in every way, especially with developments currently coming down the pipe for batteries. I'm a proponent of hydrogen in the small number of applications where it makes sense. But a lot of time and money is being wasted around the world working on sticking hydrogen in places it has no business being, because it's an easy way to extract money from powerful people who buy into the marketing and don't understand the reality behind it all.

@brushlessmotoring

Жыл бұрын

@@GoogleAreDumb Well said - both you and James - spot on. It is indeed about digging for subsidies, not subsidizing diggers.

@maxtorque2277

Жыл бұрын

@@brushlessmotoring i love that line ^^ can i steal it for a presentation i need to do next week?? ;-)

@maxtorque2277

Жыл бұрын

JCB claim "batteries don't work for heavy plant" but it just doesn't wash with me, there are three main drawbacks compared to existing ICE solutions: 1) they claim weight is an issue - why then do things like 360 excavators, quarry trucks, tractors and dozzers all carry extra mass in the form of huge cast iron counter/balance weights? Just replace those with the batteries? 2) Recharging times - simply make the battery pack demountable. Pretty easy on a large heavy plant machine, when it's flat just go pick up a full one, the packs can be charged off the vehicle if that vehicle needs to work 24/7 3) cost - this is really the true reason. If you already have a logistics and supply chain to support the ICE powertrain, then yes, it is indeed expensive to replace that with one for batteries and motors. However those costs are falling markedy. Most OEM passcar studies suggest cost parity (at volume equivalence) within a couple of years. There is also the not inconsiderable potential (sic) for EOL battery sales to recoup significant proportion of the inital battery cost for second life applications (a worn out diesel engine worth just scrap value, a worn out battery still has significant value)

@brushlessmotoring

Жыл бұрын

@@maxtorque2277 more than welcome to nick that one :) is your presentation public? Do share.

This is a Real Big Feather in the Cap of ""British Engineering"" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gives a Feeling of Pride !!!!!! Good On Ya JCB and Sir Bamford and All the Team. Though i believe CAT has a Hydro engine for many years

Hat off to JCB paving the way forward, much respect 🙏👌

Very interesting video Harry! Fantastic to see how fast their progress has been going. But I think batteries biggest advantage over hydrogen is still the price. it's just so much cheaper and most of the problems with long charging can be done with battery swap or fast charging. Anyway its great either way which will be used :)

@bru512

Жыл бұрын

Can you provide a reference on your "Cheaper" claim?

@agronorth2640

Жыл бұрын

@@bru512 Sure. it will depend on different markets. but with batteries charged from solar/wind directly it is about 3 cents or less. from the grid it would be between 10 and 20 cents(depending on where). batteries will have a cost of about 2-10 cents over lifetime. so with this its is between 2-5 times cheaper than diesel or hydrogen at its current state

@agronorth2640

Жыл бұрын

and even with only fast charging its still cheaper at about 3-5 cents per kwh

@simonhenry7867

Жыл бұрын

​@@bru512 a 3 pin cost about £100 to put in. The cheapest hydrogen fuel pump is about $2000000 And you can't really drop the price per mile below £0.15 per mile, (if fuel was free)

I can't help feeling this could all go very wrong and bankrupt JCB. It's a high risk strategy and I hope it works out.

@Toby_the_Glen

Жыл бұрын

Big investors have decided that electric will be out future. Because they can make so much money out of it!

@rjhtrucking5429

Жыл бұрын

This country, like all western nations is already bankrupt. I don't think jcb will go bankrupt though, as the jcb plant in India can continue to manufacture derv power plants and trade with the new emerging markets in the east , collectively known as " Brics". Unfortunately the site at uttoxeter would have to close ! Of course this could be avoided if net zero was abolished , it is after all a , Teresa May initiative.

@0skar9193

2 ай бұрын

Hugh risk high reward. Its ballsy but true innovators have big ones!

@Discoworx

2 ай бұрын

Don't see it being such a huge risk. It's not like a whole new line has been set up.

Loved the video. Thank you Harry JCB and the pooch.

Great stuff…I’ve been calling for hydrogen for years now, glad to see some of the big lads getting it right.