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7 years later and this video is still helping people like me. Thanks

I really loved your genuine opinion on both the systems. I mean one can easily decide on their purchase based on video. Thank you so much for your time and input.. Well wishes!I

Oh damn, I clicked on this video out of sheer curiosity to see what kind of hole you'd tear the JBC but you did a great job of pointing out a lot of good points with the JBC. You can make do with a lot of different tools, but I'm a big fan of tools that make things easier, even if they are just little things.

I really like these comparison videos, they give good insight towards the every day use!

Watching this in 2019 and thinking... O, past Louis... complaining about the price of a stand. Just wait, Apple will show you.

@arthurmorgan8966

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine him seeing this video again and reading your comment for the 3rd time after the recent Apple drama.

@poorman9259

2 жыл бұрын

@@arthurmorgan8966 he probably has said “apple will show you” everyday since reading that comment

Entertaining and informative. Thanks sticking it out through the gear hiccups, it was a longer video then I generally have the patience for, but I felt like I was learning something interesting the whole time :-)

I learned very much from your videos, watch with great interest your posts, I am sure that many people give thanks for what you do, thanks for everything that I learned from you

Your effort and frustration is Much appreciated. As you mentioned, Im glad this info is here when im just now picking this up. I wish I could have found these videos when I was in highschool. Sadly youtube wasnt a thing just yet though lol...

Come on Louis, take the hakko apart and install a resistor in series with the beeper. ;)

@pr0xZen

3 жыл бұрын

You know you can shut that f**ker up in the menu right?

I use the TOOR T12-11. It basically is a soldering station compatible with JBC tips. You could also call it a JBC Fake. It‘s a bit complicated to operate, but all in all it‘s very solid. Greetings from Germany!

Thanks for the NICE INDEX .. this makes your videos so much easier to watch .. subscribe

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+midnightman011 Glad it helped!

Once you go JBC, there is no going back.

@necronomicon1472

4 жыл бұрын

Can confirm. You would have to rip my JBC station from my cold, dead hands!

@JBCSolderingTools

3 жыл бұрын

@@necronomicon1472 We love to hear that, just take care of your hands ;)!

@JBCSolderingTools

3 жыл бұрын

Love it!

@Enonymouse_

3 жыл бұрын

@@JBCSolderingTools nice tools will put on my long term wish list.

@JBCSolderingTools

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Enonymouse_ It will be worth it :)

I was so happy to hear you mention ERSA. I've been using their soldering irons/stations for 25 years. My i-con station has been doing great for about 10 years except a dead encoder and stupid me pulling on the cord and killing the hand tool (€160). In matter of hot air station I have a cheap no brand unit which has served me well for a few years, but I'm saving up to get an ERSA. Any thoughts on ERSA's combined units (i-con vario 2)? Ever tried one?

Since this is now almost a 3 year old video I am wondering what you did with the units you're reviewing since they aren't in your newer videos. Did I miss that part? My apologies if you mentioned that. Thanks for sticking it out through all the retakes. You are a wealth of knowledge and I appreciate what you do.

I use the WXHAP 200 from Weller and the wxr3 station, I really like your channel, keep up the good work ^^

Man, youre one of the coldest tech's on the Net. Keep up the good work & Blessing's to U and Family. BigDog Out!

Excellent video! I bought a JBC rework station second-hand just the other week. Still have to do a video about it though. It's an older model (AM 6000) but in essence it's the same to what you're playing with here, it's JBC with the quality you expect. The main thing that differentiates JBC with, for example, a Weller, is the tips. The JBC tips are expensive, that is because the tip houses the heater and temperature sensor as well. this in contrast to the (older) Weller irons which clamp the tip against a heater/sensor element. The thermal conductivity is therefore much better when you use the JBC. It is constructed as one piece. The micro iron, (the 2210, it has a new name now, no idea) I find nice to have but it's only useful when you are working with the abolute tiniest SMD components with almost no thermal mass on the board. the reason for this is simple: tiny heater, tiny tip, low thermal conductivity to your component. I prefer the 2245, or T245 I believe is how it is called today.

@tommyboy1986

4 жыл бұрын

what type of electronics do you work on? I work on cellphone boards so the micro t210 is a must, I have to work under a microscope just to see the damn components im soldering.

My favourite part! 43:50 great sense of humor laughed my ass out! :D :D

Great video, tnx! Sure, it's nice to have or use the latest and greatest but nothing beats EXPERIENCE !

Firstly, great videos. Good information with a more relaxed take on the industry. Love it. I've watched your videos on the equipment you use and am about to pull the trigger on some new gear (micro pencil, standard iron, hot tweezers, hot air). If buying it all today, would you still go with mostly Hakko or would you jump up in price to the JBC or Ersa? Money's not much of an issue as long as it's worth it. From weeks of research, I've concluded that for people who have tried them all, this is their order of preference: Pace, Weller, Hakko or Metcal (about equal), JBC, Ersa. JBC looks to be the best to me, but people who have used an Ersa seem to swear by them. I'm also cool with mixing and matching brands.

Glad you made the video. Priceless lol

I use JBC CD-2BE with T210A & T245A soldering irons, also i use Unisolder 5.2 with JBC Microtwizers PA120A. JBC is most comfortable & smart tools in the world on my opinion.

The video indexing is really handy

I really enjoy your video's.

Best video so far

I work in electronics manufacturing and we use only JBC at work. Although I've never actually used anything else (apart from the cheap Chinese stuff I own at home), you can tell that they make good stuff by just looking at it and using it. I just have to convince myself to shell out for one of their compact line soldering stations. And for anyone who gets annoyed at changing tips on soldering irons, the JBC system cannot be beaten.

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+wei249 The JBC stuff is pretty amazing, just very very costly for that extra 10% of impressive performance.

Hi Louis, Great review! What tip are you using with the wick on the hakko fm-2027? I'm referring to the bevel tip you say is perfect for the job and you spent an eternity looking for. Is it the T15-BCF2? Thanks!

Love this guy.

For jbc you have a tip holder that is havvy. You can put more points in it. We have more of these jbc stations @ work.

I fuckin' love this channel.Greetings from Romania.Keep up the good work that you are doing Louis Rossmann.

Why does watching this feel so therapeutic?

@joshuanorris5860

6 жыл бұрын

Because we like soldering way too much, lol!

I use jbc at work every day, I even use the SMD station as well. Hands down JBC is the best on the market. The station will last you forever. They don't break and the tips last a really long time. Wish I could afford 1 for my work bench at home.

@treadmillrepair754

4 жыл бұрын

I been working in electronics for more than 42 years in many factories, Intel, C&K and many others and never seen an JBC product. Serious workers use Weller, Pace, Metcal or inclusive Hakko never this JBC toy. Do noy try to cheat.

@algebra30

4 жыл бұрын

@@treadmillrepair754 Funny, in every professional lab i was they were using JBC stations. Saw a video from a Intel lab, JBC everywhere. So you never used a JBC station and call it a toy? Wow you realy have to be a professional. Test one, they offer a 30 day free test of their gear. I used the newest Weller WX line a lot at my University, in my Work we have Metcal an JBC stations, i much prefer the JBC stations.

@stevenstaubach1061

4 жыл бұрын

@@treadmillrepair754 Yeah, I'm with Van on this one. I have done work for prototype bomb disposal robots in rework and cable harness fabrication, I've done work building data center 10TB storage blades, I've done work doing Aircraft RF assemblies, etc. etc. What do all of my top dollar contracts have in common compared to my low-dollar production line contracts? All of the high end shops use JBC. And let me tell you, the difference is night and day. The temperature drops too fast on that cheap stuff on board contact to do any fast class 3 and above work.. And its that very inconsistency that makes amateurs turn the heat up to outrageous temperatures to keep up in metrics with guys like me. I run cool and fast with JBC under the microscope man, there's no comparison. I wish there WAS an alternative; those iron cartridges are freakin expensive!

@sdgelectronics

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevenstaubach1061 Metcal is the way forward 😉

@stevenstaubach1061

4 жыл бұрын

@@sdgelectronics It is true that I have heard good things about both Metcal and Ersa from colleagues I hold in very high regard (ex NASA, w certs) shooting the stuff with them on the production floor. However, those environments had JBC, and I have yet to be exposed to the products of Ersa or Metcal, so I feel it would be inappropriate for me to personally endorse those products until I have put them to the canvas, so to speak. In your opinion, what are some of the advantages and disadvantages of both, what is your personal experience with them, and why are they comparable?

That's great. Enjoy it

Nice review, very detailed, thanks! While the JBC is obviously drool-worthy, IMO the Hakko (pronounced "Hahkko" in Japan, where it was made) wins purely based on price. I'm so cheap that I prefer to rebuild old equipment whenever possible. If anybody out there upgrading to a JBC has a used Hakko they can sell me, please let me know!

Hakko is a good step up from the cheaper gear most hobbyists know about. It's GOOD equipment. But JBC is serious professional level equipment and I'm fortunate to own JBC equipment that I get from a local government contractor that replaces their production tools fairly frequently. It has allowed me to get this amazing quality equipment on a small budget. If you can afford JBC, get it. You won't regret it. But you will get very respectable performance from GENUINE (not Chinese fake) Hakko gear, too.

Thanks for the nice comparison! What flux (35:16) you are using? Thanks in advance!

Louis, you're brilliant

Hey Louis! What do you think about ERSA I-CON Vario 2 or 4?

Thanks Louis for making videos. I have learned more from you then i ever did from school!

good work man nice chanel keep the good work

Really wish I can afford those really nice equipments I’m doing my hobby micro soldering with a really cheap Pine 64 and planning to get a cheap hot air station as well to complete my hobbyist setup, thanks for sharing your video 👍🏻

How do you feel about the JBC Nase unit with the smaller tips? I would think the nano tools would be great for this work (.1mm tips). Would they really be much better than their micro tools?

Hi nice review I have question about pace PPS-95 your recommended or. Not thanks

dont ever think your not special. your mum did a great job!!

It's a colored manual, it's pretty nice!

Dear Louse I was wondering are both those hot air stations use diaphragm pumps or are they using fan impeller pumps to push the air through the hot air handles. Which technology is better, thanks

great video / thank you

Great reviews of the new hot air stations! Your microscope camera is very responsive, which model of OptixCam are you using?

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+Corgitronics NH1080. avoid all the usb shit!

I think those 'extractors' from jbc focus the heat and kinda deflect it under the chip it goes over, and insulates the surrounding solder joints to a degree. I'm not in the biz, just trying to get started, so I may be wrong, but just looking at it I'd think it may heat the solder joints faster by focusing the heat...

I have all JBC stuff and it gets easier to change tips after you use them for a while......they loosen up and become very easy.....for the interim just wack a bit of Velco on the bottom or fill the base with lead shot pellets.

You can save money by making your own control station for the JCB with some simple circuitry and a microcontroller. That's what I plan to do when I upgrade from my FX-888 clone.

Wait! The producer mixed *Louis Rossman's Greatest Hits*? Loved it (this video)!

I've really learnt something. And I must say that I'm impressed with the JBC Precision. I've only known about this make/brand from this video. By the way, what make/brand and model is the digital multi-meter on your desk? Thank you.

i'm happy with my cheaper Atten 8052D working fine

I find that JBC is what PACE was in the 1980s. One of the last high quality soldering equipment made.

On those boards where the chip has such a LARGE heatsink. Start by holding the hot air directly center of the chip for about 30-45 seconds; then start moving around. It should come off quicker.

I have a question about your monitor setup. How do you duplicate displays in windows with out getting tearing? I have 2 setups. One with 2 23 inch 16:10 monitors, and one with a 24inch 1080 monitor and a 42 inch 1080 television. On both setups whichever display is not set to primary will have tearing.

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+D Johnson I had that issue in Linux without dual monitors, I fixed it by dumping Linux. I haven't had it in Windows.

@muyyhhit838

8 жыл бұрын

+D Johnson Try arandr

Louis Rossmann, you are actually famous and special (in a good way). I have heard many people mention your name like I should know who you are, well? And I do, of course.

It does seem like, FOR THAT COST, they would do something that makes sense like making the iron base station mountable to the table so you can swap them one handed. I am sure it wouldn't be that hard to come up with a way to keep it in place though. Also, don't blame it on the engineers, it could have been engineered perfectly, and had a design from the engineer that you could change the tip by holding the iron in two fingers and the station doesn't budge; Once it leaves the desk of the engineer though, it goes through processes by technicians and other teams to make them CHEAPER TO BUILD (different materials, eliminating things that aren't "necessary", moving something on the plans because it would save on tooling or save 2.54 seconds in the manufacturing process, etc. That is NOT the fault of the engineer who designed a perfect, and beautiful tool that would blow your mind (and possibly other things), but an engineer isn't concerned with manufacturing costs or other factors, only in designing what is needed, to spec, and doing so properly. The cheapening of that product, and the source of most failures of the final product, are almost always on someone else.

@cmendoza1094

8 жыл бұрын

I feel like they don't innovate and upcharge like mf's. It reminds me of specialty automotive tools. Expensive for no reason, obviously they are quality or no one would buy them, they wouldn't last. And lacking simple innovation and features of much cheaper and less quality products. Its as if they have a near monopoly

@gerff01

8 жыл бұрын

C Mendoza Specialty tools are generally more expensive, because they don't sell near as many of them. You have the same cost of design, die creation, machine time, etc. of regular tools, but since you are not making near as many of them, you don't have the volume of product to make up for the initial cost of tooling, manufacturing, packaging, shipping, etc., so they have to charge more per piece.

@UndercastEsmeganitrospeed

7 жыл бұрын

JBC innovates more than any other brand, their hot air guns are probably not a good example of their "innovation"

Hey Bud, what is the name of that magnifying thing you are looking through and how can I buy one of those? Thank You

the anti microbal surface is designed from the way shark skin is also antimicrobal the tiny stair step design keeps microbs from multiplying

What flux remover / cleaner do you use?

What do you recommend between the Quick 861dw, Weller WHA-900 and the new Weller WTHA 1n? I bought the weller WHA-900 based on the reviews you have but the Quick seems to be a pretty good deal from $220-$350 and comes with three nozzles 4,6,8mm and it's more powerful 1000w. The new Weller is 900w and it's priced around $500 and some change. I haven't used the WHA-900 yet so I'm thinking of return it if it's worth buying the Quick or the newer Weller.

@rossmanngroup

7 жыл бұрын

+Juan Santiago avoid the new Weller it is a complete pile of crap

@juansantiago1441

7 жыл бұрын

Louis Rossmann so your #1 recommendation is still the Weller WHA-900? You would pick the weller wha-900 over the Quick 861dw?

@juansantiago1441

7 жыл бұрын

It's great, I really like it. It has plenty of power and it's fairly quiet compared to other brands. It's simple to use, precise and reliable. Would buy again!!!

starting out, so first i buy the JVC and then when i'm rich i buy the Harmon Kardon...got it!

I'm not sure what type of air pump these higher end stations used compared to the cheap ones which use diaphragm pumps which buzz... does this make a big difference?

In case you're curious why the antibacterial surface is bumpy, here's an overly long explanation. Microbes are tiny, so to them a flat surface or a bumpy surface "feels" the same, just like a higher ground or low ground for us. However, there are multiple factors that inhibit bacterial growth on a ridged or dimpled surface: 1. on a flat surface, 100% of your finger surface area makes contact, whereas on a bumpy surface only the bumps of the handle come in contact with your finger, so you have about 50-60% less bacteria that can even get transferred 2. bacteria and fungus need water to survive; water will evaporate faster from a bumpy surface (since the surface area is greater) 3. copper coating - copper, silver, and a few other metals are natural bacterial and fungal inhibitors 4. I don't know if JBC does this, but if a surface is coated with a hydrophobic coating, that further reduces bacterial transfer from your hands to the handle and the amount of water available for that bacteria. "And as always, hope you learned something"

I like these kind of videos louis...keep them comin...am ashamed of what I use...lol (aoyue 866, aoyue 2702a+,KADA 852D+, Puhui t870a, Tenma Mini SMD Preheater , AmScope SE400-Z, Fluke 87-V Digital Multimeter, OWON SDS7102V 100Mhz Digital Oscilloscope and other cheap shit I cant remember cause I am not in my shop...these videos show me what I need to upgrade to to get better work done and much faster at it..keep em coming!!

What model is the Hakko gear in this video? Thank you.

The cheapest FX-951, FM-2032 and T30 J shape tip I can get in Europe costs 546€. The JBC CD-2SE, T210-A and two tips costs 477€. Plus the fact that JBC headquarters and factory are 20 minutes drive from home :)

@totoxahc

6 жыл бұрын

Sergio Sanchez tienes mucha suerte

I had a similar annoying beep on my uwave oven--I put electrical tape over the hole--worked great...also on some beepers, sound seems to get through the bottom. On the problem with the 'key' where your thumb gets thumped, can you rotate the socket 90 degrees ??? As for the 'hot swap' mess of problems, a 4x4 double array of those powerful KJ magnets may work. I don't know, but hope, any of these suggestions can somewhat work. Thanks for the very unique videos--I usually cant watch even halfway into long videos--these are "different" somehow!

Awesome video So I been thinking about buying this T870A Soldering BGA Infrared Rework Station IRDA Welder 110V USA but not sure if its worth it. I do gaming console and cellphone repairs. I remember mentioning cellphone repairs to you a while back not sure if you remember. I just want your opinion on it

jbc is cool, and they are manufactured outside of Barcelona Spain

i am watching this video in 2020 and think should i buy jbc or not and you solved my question thank you wish you could review the bst 933b wich is clone of jbc is it worth

theres a cheapo $60 version of the motorised tip cleaner , not as good a quality as that jbc one but does the job its made for

Me gustaría que me recomiendan. Quiero comprar estación de aire caliente. la JBC que mostró en el video. donde puedo comprar el kit completo, el vídeo

HI Louis, what do you think about the CD-1BE? is it better than the Hako you are using? and will this do the Job? let me know what you think, cheers. BTW Awesome Vids.

As a matter of interest, please kindly tell me the make/brand and model of the microscope on your desk? I thank you in anticipation.

Ft-700 was totally worth the money. After a couple of months of using it I bitch when I have to use the brass wool.

Hello again Louis. I would like to ask for your opinion on this triple use soldering station. I'm a beginner, I have watched most of your videos specially those where you review your hakko equipment. Unfortunately my budget is very low in order to buy separated soldering iron, gun and hot air especially from hakko cause first of all they don't sell in my country and it's very hard to get it even from EU countries (the cost exceeds its normal price) so I found this one CT-Brand 858. I believe the price is very tempting but I really don't know about the job quality it will offer me so I think you are the one who could help me out. If it's not a big effort, could you please give me an advice? Thank you in advance.

Dammit, now I want the JCB and not the basic Hakko or Weller lol. Thankyou VERY much, my other half will be SOOOOOO happy :P

Time will tell. Hakko is hard to beat in terms of durability, support and spare parts...etc. Hakko is some kind of industrial standard among production lines now.

ur just the best ;)

"It cleans your tip" teeeheeeheee :D

The handle on the quick is big though.... That small handle on the JBC is nice though...

0:90 You are famous you just don’t realize it. You are famous to the board repair community.

Hi, Thank you very much for your intersting videos. what's the microscope you're using and is it good for phones BGA rework ?

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+chakib el ghoraf amscope 3.5x to 90x

@user-ee6nw3jv4k

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@user-ee6nw3jv4k

8 жыл бұрын

is it this one ? www.amscope.com/boom-stand-zoom-stereo-microscope-54-led-light-3-5x-90x.html

Been looking at a nice iron vs my cheapo Amazon iron and a jbc general purpose is only like £100 more over the hakko station

Interesting that the JBC Tools CD-1BQF is $250 more than the Hakko FX951. I know you're not comparing the compact station but still I wonder if someone was listening at JBC

You're famous and special. To us.

13:01 What kind of flux do you use, Louis? The solder I use has rosin activated (RA) flux, but no idea who makes it. The cheap chinese stuff is awful. I know MG Chemicals makes some, and they're pretty respected in the industry. What's your preference?

how you make sure that blob of solder from center pad doesn't bridge with outer pads under the chip?

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+Gerardas Nausutis Push on the chip and it will all pop out as a blob. Put flux, touch iron, and the blob gets sucked up onto the heat source.

@gerardasnausutis3166

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Hakko grips for FX-951 are also antibacterial. Antimicrobial is just another name for the same feature. Hakko's user interface is appalling. They really need to redesign whole line ASAP. Especially since electronics/displays are so cheap these days. DIYers do better job than them.

@phuang3

5 жыл бұрын

@ungratefulmetalpansy Hakko is targeting at production lines. That's why there is key card slot on their machine. Interface isn't a problem for factories. Once the setting were set, they are hardly changed.

Have you ever tried Metcal soldering stations? I recommend that you try one (for example the mx5000). I don't know about their hot air stations, never used them.

@TonyToneFixMyPhone

7 жыл бұрын

Got the old school SP-200. It's decent.

@dingessound

7 жыл бұрын

Came from a complete metcal/oki rework set, but after trying the complete jbc rework set for 30 days i needed to buy it because the metcal seems like toys compared to this.. but buy whatever you like, in this price range it just depends on what you like best.

@TonyToneFixMyPhone

7 жыл бұрын

I have the TE-B hot air it is awesome. I also have the NASE station. I love it. But I hate the fact the tips sucks baby balls. $800 worth of tips and they break and oxidize like crazy. Way fucking over-priced tips; utter bullshit. But love the units.

@zxrjimmy1

6 жыл бұрын

I have the metcal hct2-120 and love it,

@FooBar89

6 жыл бұрын

the only relevant Metcal station is the MX5000, if you did not use that, then probably not a fair comparison to JBC

copper and alloys made from the metal, including brass, can prevent antibiotic resistance in bacteria from spreading. ... Even if the bacteria die, DNA that gives them resistance to antibiotics can survive and be passed on to other but not on copper

good skills. good videos.

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+Zol M Thanks for watching!

From the moment the nozzle appeared in the screen to the moment the BIOS chip completely lifted: Hakko - 2:06:94. JBC - 3:27:94.

like smaller durable equipment that do the job same or better than bulky one.

This is great review Louis. Any particular reason you didn't get the JT version instead of TE? they cost the same.

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

+Khawar Ashraf I don't work with items that require such power. I do have a JT here that I will be putting in the videos though :D

@theDiYwizard

8 жыл бұрын

+Louis Rossmann Thanks, I would love to see it in action. The ideal will be if you could show both JT and TE side by side. I'm considering JT although I only repair iPhones, I'm not sure which one to get because its so much money I wanted to get the powerful one so that I don't end up regretting the purchase.

@rossmanngroup

8 жыл бұрын

Khawar Ashraf It is about how it fits in your hand. I am used to a large handpiece from years of FR-801 usage. Since the JT comes with the bent tip it is actually more fine for me than the TE. The JT is definitely more powerful. I would just go with the JT. The TE is already in a box on its way back to JBC.

@theDiYwizard

8 жыл бұрын

+Louis Rossmann Thank you sir!

Should I get digital CD or analog BT JBC station? I don't know if its is worth 100E extra...

@JoshuaNicoll

8 жыл бұрын

+Hans They are