I met Jaron Lanier at a tech trade show back in the 1990s. He's one of the most likeable guys you could ever meet.

@williamvallespir5509

3 жыл бұрын

Well hes a friendly hippie the new hippies are terrible the old hippies were actually right about a lot of stuff. He doesnt dismiss the possibilities nor does he condemn either.

@JPKroger

Жыл бұрын

He has empathy. That’s enough for me.

The fine line exists it’s having the ability and humility to say I don’t know.

@insomnyuk

4 жыл бұрын

What is with all these goofy theists on this science channel? Quit spouting nonsense.

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

Death and Its Aftermath If a person dies, the life force he had is gone and he no longer exists anywhere in any form. He stays dead (figuratively, “asleep”) until he is “awakened” from the dead by the Lord Jesus. All dead Christians will be awakened at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to meet the Church in the air and be judged for rewards. Old Testament and Tribulation believers will be awakened at the coming of the Lord to the earth. Everyone else who has ever lived will be awakened after the Millennial Kingdom and judged for either everlasting life or everlasting death. The only hope for all those who have died is their resurrection from the dead by the Lord Jesus Christ, himself the “firstborn from among the dead” (Col. 1:18).

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefano Portoghesi oh, you do not believe God, wonderful, he the one who got you here, so maybe he knows, hey

Best words I have ever heard about the subject of afterlife. This guy is truly a legend.

I can just assume that having no memory of past lives is actually the whole point for evolving.

@stoictraveler1

Жыл бұрын

Yes you could not evolve naturally with remembrance of the past.

I love Jaron's energy and way of articulating.

Do I believe in an afterlife? I believe I don’t know.

@TomAnderson_81

4 жыл бұрын

Ruby Badilla is there objective truth of the afterlife of humans and what happens to them and what do they do?

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

That is a sorry state of affairs but you have lots of company, particularly all the people who say they believe in an afterlife. Because they don't, they believe in an illusion. We rightly give belief to many illusions, for instance that our kids are not out drinking with the car and that our wife has not been doing the paperboy. These are reasonable for the value they hold in keeping us calm & upright. But belief in a legend like afterlife? What possible need is there for that belief in an individual who is educated and has any pride that his mind works well? Is there some gain to be had? It's the stuff of the dishonest mind game, played by criminally guilty in jail seeking solace for their bad acts. In an person who has integrity it rots the soul and degrades integrity. Prove yourself to yourself, step up and admit you do not accept the idea of afterlife.

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist - You are muted, you serial liar.

@ericdumont610

4 жыл бұрын

@Ruby Badilla 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@GeoCoppens

4 жыл бұрын

@Sara C Silly girl!

What a brilliant conversation.

This guy is a legend. Show speak to more forums worldwide.

Jaron is an inspiring intellectual! Live long and prosper!

THIS WAS GREAT

Great interview with such an interesting guy.

The filming locations are always interesting in this series. Any rhyme or reason to them?

He is so fascinating. At first I thought, why ask Jaron- but heck, why not??

More Jaron!

Well put Jaron!

Jaron Lanier? Hey I love your thought process on social media and actually agree with you on the addictive nature of social media . You know ,Jesus Christ is a great example to your thought about both the after life and facing death. He historically died, was resurrected from the dead per over 100 witnesses, and ascended into Heaven. Also, its fascinating hearing you talk about your children . Thats special to have family. When you described how we are all connected, what your describing is in fact our original parents ,Adam and Eve. As you know having a baby you don't have to tell your child to be disobient to you it is already inherently in them to be. That is called inherent sin that was passed down from us because Adam and Eve disobedience in the Garden. Repent and Believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ

@krykat.

2 жыл бұрын

Amen

@chamicels

Ай бұрын

bull crap

Really need to interview Bernardo Kastrup PhD, computer scientist and philosopher extraordinaire.😊

@nickhall1632

3 жыл бұрын

Kastrup's whole thing is trying to prove God is real, for some reason the past 3000 years of philosophy and religion hasn't been enough to convince him that any attempt he's making has already been made.

I am so pragmatic that i see everything as quarks ! However, my mother, father and two sisters have past of cancer one after the other. I have experienced things no one can explain in terms of connection and even communication. There might be things we just don’t know about the survival of the soul.

@consciouscoma85

Жыл бұрын

yes, the things we have not discovered yet. we dont even know most of what we should about what lives in the ocean

@jeancarlocastro

Жыл бұрын

sorry to hear that, i hope you are ok

@planexshifter

Жыл бұрын

Or your brain tricks you to make you feel better.

I like Jaren Lanier’s open mindedness, and his “interconnected human fractal”!The 2x2 matrix is pretty neat too. IMO to be congruent with Science, individual identity (eg. personality, physicality and memory) must be physical ie. determined by genetic inheritance and personal history, therefore lost or changed through brain disease or injury. However, consciousness could be a universal (panpsychism). In which case, from the perspective of eternity (“eternal life”), we are one consciousness, manifested in multiple identities. If that is so, it both provides a justification for ethics, and resolves many of the problems of traditional afterlife belief.

@uremove

4 жыл бұрын

Martyr4JesusTheChrist Yes... I’m proposing a Panpsychist metaphysics. (You might want to Google it or watch the philosopher David Chalmers explain Panpsychism in his 18min TED talk kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5yGytZ_dsu0qrQ.html). It’s a view many Christian philosophers like Alfred North Whitehead supported, and also neo-Platonist Christians such as Plotinus. It’s the idea that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the material universe. "Each one of us is part of the soul of the universe" ~ Plotinus Thank you for the “Folly of Machine Consciousness” which I watched. The presenter (“Health Ranger”) is basically outlining a Dualist view of consciousness (which is what Descartes originally proposed). However, there are problems with Dualism such as how does a non-material spirit have causative power in a physical brain. He says the brain is an interface, but fails to explain how a ‘ghost’ can effect a material ‘machine’ like a brain! The other problem is it’s not commensurate with Science, as it’s invoking non-material entities like “spirits” which rather offends Occam’s razor. (I started my post saying that the only afterlife commensurate with Science...) It may be that one day research into Near Death Experiences (NDEs) such as the AWARE 1 & 2 projects headed by Dr Parnia at Southampton Uni, will prove that consciousness can separate from the body. However, so far that evidence is not there. Results so far have all been negative.

One could ask whether the existence of an afterlife is more fantastic or harder to envision, and accept, than the one we now have? I dare say not. Anyway, if there is only death and no passing, as we like to call it; death becomes a non-subject, a nothing at all. Thus, nothing....is nothing to worry about. On the other-hand, the thought of an afterlife, and the hope of reunion with loved ones, out pets too, sure helps make our lives on earth more meaningful and enjoyable.

"We don't know everything here." In actual fact we know virtually nothing as our mentality is based from a physical context which in reality is non existent. We are inherently spiritual, it's the ground state which permeates everything and nothing.

Jaron is wearing purple here and it looks good on him!!!!

He talks about memory continuing but even without dying the can be lost all too easily.

This conversation is so close to working extremely well. There’s a third perspective missing - a perspective that isn’t operating as though it has a stake, and is more interested in separating out the differences between their points of view without saying that one is better. Maybe that’s my role, but I feel as though I’m missing too much information to say that just yet.

Some experiences require One to experience them for themselves to Understand. Attempting to describe the indescribable would most likely lead to misunderstanding, unless the other also experienced something similar.

How do we not know that this life is a bubble in which things are really weird compared to another life outside of this bubble? The question more worth asking is not whether that life is like this one, but is this life like that one? I'd say no to the first (that life has so many more aspects to it that is not much like this one) and yes to the second (this life has a lot of the same elements as the life beyond this one), since this life would be a subset of that life.

I think i'll go with Jaron. Totally agreed with him.

Interesting to find him here, but just getting to know Lanier so maybe not so unexpected.

Where is that set?

Truly the minutes are ticking down. I would like to think I still have plenty of hours left. To toil away at this or that. The thought of it has always been there for the most part. Me knowing I am Human and how truly fragile and frail we really are. At a moments notice "gone" just like that. With so many ways "Death" has his choice to pick from. Laughing in that most sinister way. As we face the everyday the "Angels" gather round and help to warn us and shape us so that if there is a day when the truth of this question comes to be known, that we will bask in His eternal light. But for me as it was said " No point of reference" do I have to dispute or confirm this thought. Only self truth do I have and all I know is that a deep dark coldness waits for me. But, I can hope for something sublime and full of wonder.

2:25 wrong, these things, "religion" and "divisiveness" can be mutually exclusive (though often aren't), in fact some religions teach against such divisiveness, that finding and building on common ground is even core to the doctrine. Neither is missionary work always about "forcing", in fact some religions (as in mine) hold the "right to choose" and respecting another's choice (regardless what it is) as the most important aspect of this particular life. 2:40 also sometimes wrong, e.g. some religions (as in mine) teach that THIS life IS the most important thing, not the next life. Though many don't and that is dangerous. My point is that you can't accurately paint religion with a broad brush, and ironically there is no group more guilty of doing so than those who pride themselves on being scientists and presume to be unbiased arbitrators of the facts.

He should do an interview with Tom Campbell that man is amazing and his theories are awesome

These two people are far more intelligent than I, and I love hearing their discussion. All I can say is I don’t know.

we popped into the Universe once; if the universe is infinite or cyclic; at some point many multiple universes or eons hence we’ll pop in again as something different; in a different universe; in a different time as some sort of being; on some sort of planet.

Surely it's very easy to understand that the flame goes nowhere when the candle is extinguished?

It would be fool hearted to believe that our physical reality is all there is... existing in a bubble all to itself. Physical existence can't be the end of the story, an afterlife is the"why" that could explain the existence of a physical experience.

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

Science dismisses contingencies that violate the laws of physics, which an afterlife, by common definition, does.

@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith1474 Science has never, will never, and can never explain consciousness. Science doesn't exist without consciousness. You don't have even the slightest clue what you are, yet you're drowning in arrogance and ignorance.

Closest being we have to an Angel.

What's the traditional description? I've heard the soul is a screen that covers the guff (where the spirit resides). Is there a candidate? The easy problem has all of your dogma and contextualizes inputs. How one modifies our collective dogmatic structure could be view as the continuation of a soul? By devoted defference with correction. ... ? No personal continuity, functional continuity. Maybe. Maybe not.

Yes.

Great talk you guys. Hmm...fractals all the way down maybe.

@kevinpheley574

2 жыл бұрын

❕

from my understanding of ITC research when you die your not gone and our souls move on to a different realm they call the source so who knows maybe when we die if our souls carry the light we go to a big ball of energy somewhere beyond our comprehension while we live

Zac Bagans would fight the afterlife. "you want us, you got us!"

Exactly true, never ignore this life, Im sure it’s the only one that is available for us. There is no afterlife

Someone hearing another say that they felt like they were One with everything is completely different than actually experiencing Oneness with everything… The trick is to see through the illusion of individuality and awaken to the eternally unfolding moment.

I think it is rationale to put this question that we can never definitively know the answer, on the probability table. It remains difficult however to take in to account, our bias for wanting this outcome. That said, I give between a 90/10 to a 80/20 probability for something beyond. Depends upon the latest video I watch from Roberts’s great interviews. Lol

Maybe that which feels bigger, or heightened, or ascended is the shadowy understanding that we are all connected in consciousness and/or through quantum mechanics or something else.. When you die, you are no.longer in the game. I hope this is not the case.

From this perspective. What about people that lost their memories and had to be thought everything from walking to talking, all over again. If there’s afterlife it would be pretty weird

Claim your Daughter Daddy Linear Miss you Feeling like hugging You Daddy For Eternity..... Love you so muuuuuuuuuck💙🇮🇱🇸🇾🖤

I been outer body before freak myself out when I seen my self on my bed but again don’t know if it was a dream or a real outer body hmmmm.

As I get older, against my younger expectations, I don’t get any more comfortable with the idea of death. In fact I now no longer fear my death but that if everyone else including those already gone. I wish so desperately that everyone, even the animals or those that never existed at all, could somehow keep going in a meaningful way and be happy. I’d do anything to make that real.

@drjojo5551

Жыл бұрын

Atravia……are you equally terrified of birth???? Drives you insane….don’t it????

You shouldn't assume there isn't more conscious experience on the other side of death. My guess is that it isn't "you" anymore, it is just another conscious agent further in time. Even if this view isn't literally true (because we can probably never prove it anyway), it is practical to believe because your consideration then becomes orientated towards ensuring that the world you leave behind is as good or better than the one you currently experience. I generally agree with Jaron's last point in the video, but I carry the above metaphorical truth as an orientating fiction through my life in what seems to be a nihilistic and indifferent universe.

brother of jason?

As he stood in his school playing ground, a peculiar sensation swept over Larry. He suddeny thought of his mother. What was she doing?Was she ok? At that instant part of a flaming aircraft fell from the sky, on to his house, in Moose Jaw Saskatchewan, incinerating his mother and little sister. This, and other such apparently genuine analogous recollections, are among the strongest evidence for a dimension of reality beyond our normal senses.

@ataraxia7439

2 жыл бұрын

Where is this from?

@koto9x

Жыл бұрын

what is this from…?!!!

@samreh6156

Жыл бұрын

What does normal mean?

If there is an afterlife, it it will really really crowded! Boo!

@angelalynn7348

4 жыл бұрын

I always thought this...

we were dead or totally nonexistent before coming into this life why wouldn't that happen again?

Today a young man on Acid realized that all matter is merley energy condensed to a slow vibration that we are all one conscience experiencing it self subjectively theres no such thing as death life is only a dream and we are the imagination of our self's.

@SurrealiS

4 жыл бұрын

YES great quote by Bill Hicks

The answer is no one knows. There is no other valid answer.

@MrJamesdryable

4 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist I have no answers. Nihilism has nothing to do with it. Life may have meaning and it may not. I have no answers.

@MrJamesdryable

4 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist Nihilism is the point of view, or philosophy, antithetical to the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that morality does not exist at all. I never said said that life has no purpose, I said that I don't know. Tell me where the contradiction is.

@MrJamesdryable

4 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist I never claimed that my thoughts have a purpose, you did. I haven't chosen to have my opinion just as you haven't chosen yours. My whole life has lead to my current day beliefs, as has yours. If you had been born in my body and had lived my exact life you would have my exact opinion. This somewhat speaks to the statement of "how can I trust my own thinking to be true?". That's a good question. I don't know. Thoughts arise, they come to us. We don't create them. On another note, God in the form of an interventional creator is a terrible model for explaining existence. All you have done is create a being that himself is oblivious to the knowledge of his origin. You answer nothing while at the same time create a plethora of new questions to be answered. The fact that we don't know how reality exists does not allows us to just affirm that there must be a creator and just leave it at that. You can do that if you'd like but I'd rather be honest and say that no human knows how or why the universe exists.

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

That is about the poorest of the many available answers to a question we do know a lot about.

@MrJamesdryable

4 жыл бұрын

@Martyr4JesusTheChrist You're right.

Kudos -- 444 Gematria -- 🗽

Everything humans do is geared towards living on forever rather through what is left behind (making your mark), religion, science... If people never truly accept their inevitable death, including scientists (who are still just human)- how can the scientific community truly search for an afterlife without bias? I personally absolutely believe in a creator- just as we are becoming a creator.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 ай бұрын

Too bad 'belief' and 'truth' have no necessary relationship whatsoever.

Life is but a hiccup of consciousness between oblivions.

Whatever may come after death is going to be weird says Jaron. Life itself is weird enough so there's a chance that an afterlife might double down on the weirdness scale. Robert and Jaron think that an afterlife would necessarily be a follow on to this one: it would contain some info about this present life. I agree. Something is almost certain though: scientists will use exclusively their mental power to find what they're looking for, never trusting anything else. That's a pity because the weirdness of life and it's possible after life cannot be limited to reason or logic since it is by definition weird beyond understanding. Try other ways: Rahu and Ketu for instance....

Bring on allan watts .the great Zen master😁

@yoooyoyooo

4 жыл бұрын

he is dead or living the after life

An unusual consideration relating to this question is the block universe theory.. One could say it predicts no AFTER life, but a near eternal PRESENT life.. Certain fringe interpretations of QMs information Theory suggest the same, AND the many worlds Theory would have uncounted VARIATIONS of us encoded in space-time.. Whew. Certainly feels like philosophy!

So this is very interesting. I am a Christian in that I do believe in the Bible. But nothing in the Bible diminishes anything in our world. It simply asks that we not make idols of earthly things ( example: make an idol of a romantic relationship ) because if we do that we will get very hurt. Which is not unreasonable. In fact, that Bible is so clear about the way we should treat eachother on earth that the first 5 commandments are horizontal ( pertaining to how we treat eachother here ) and the last 5 are vertical ( pertaining to how we treat God ) so if we can't even get it right with eachother, then we cannot expect to get it right with God. I like that Jaron is open to talking about these things because it's entirely dishonest to say that a life after death is impossible.

The Eternal Life, (We) had always been - Here and Now - so, there is No 'after-life'. 'a Soul', can only be a Living Being, with Consciousness. Every night, We do move our day-consciousness to our five 'Night-Bodies', (Deep-Sleep) one by one, - the same happends when We leave the physical body permanent. (Just longer time) So, as We are the 'same soul' every morning, We are basicly the same soul, when born again, even We dont remember anything. The Active part of Consciousness, is the Thinking, thinking is Motion, Motion, is change, there fore our 'soul' is changing, renewed, according to our development. We have a 'Coupling-Body' as move our Day-Consciousness, to the Night-bodies. It is this, as the REM-sleep, dreams, NDE, OBE, and ghosts work through When We leave the physical body permanent, it will soon or later, 'goes back to nature', same happends to the coupling-body, but faster because it is light-stuff-material. It can happends that these dead coupling-bodies can respond to a certain degree, seemingly living, but it is pure automatic/instinct, the soul is Not there, but it's more like an echo of the soul. (So, We can actually differ between Living and dead ghosts)

I have not been exposed to any compelling argument. The "smoking-est gun" so far is Mary's Room, which I think is a very poor argument that says more about language being necessarily incomplete and an approximation of the phenomena they describe, not the phenomena themselves. The undiscovered is not necessarily an undiscoverable, transcendent phenomena. Combine that with Mr. Lanier's own well spoken concern over what sort of stewards of this earth we become when we carry such ideas, and the fact that I have been legally dead and experienced nothing at all, somebody is going to have to really wow me with something.

@Archeidos-Arcana

Жыл бұрын

Many people believe that the phenomenal world we live in is simply a small slice of the grander noumenal world we exist in. Even the godfather of modern phenomenology (Immanuel Kant) conceded this point. We simply have no way to know if the phenomenal world is indicative of the noumenal one, most modern phenomenologists even acknowledged this too. Yet, when you have philosophically naïve disciplinarians (many scientists), they often take their unexamined disciplinarian tenets as fundamental and inarguable. In other words, science today has become ignorant of it's philosophical roots and has become doctrinarian and dogmatic. Science has become 'scientism'; it's core faith is 'materialism'. Any who express there might be something more - often fear having their career threatened (like being burned alive at-the-stake). I don't think you're going to find any hardcore empirical evidence for something that is so difficult and infrequent to reproduce, but I myself, having taken a more 'forensic scientist' approach to investigating these claims- have found that there is sufficient evidence to suggest that it definitely should not be dismissed outright. If you can temporarily suspend disbelief: I recommend looking up the works of Jacques Vallée. He has taken as much as a scientific approach as possible to the subjects which are thought silly by most: UFO's, supernatural occurrences, mass hallucinations, visitations, cults, psychic anecdotes (remote viewing, out-of-body experiences) etc. It's a rabbit hole, but the predominant theme: there is a consistent, rare, reoccurring phenomena which occurs throughout all history. If you extract out the meta-logic of the most verifiable claims... the leading explanation: these are examples of the noumenal world spilling over into the phenomenal world we experience. Possibly some kind of phenomena which we simply do not have the evolutionary senses to perceive under normal circumstances... higher dimensions and the like. It's of course speculation at the end of the day, but investigating this stuff has really humbled my perspective on Being and Being-ness.

@rorysimpson8716

Жыл бұрын

​@@Archeidos-Arcanathanks for the thoughtful response. I am no scientist by discipline or by documentation but I put a very aggressive fence between what I believe and what I know. I have many suspicions about the paranormal and the Cartesian world model in general, but in spite being an active seeker, have not found much of anything concrete. I've squatted so called haunted insane asylums and slept under the skies in the Roswell and groom lake areas but experienced absolutely nothing of note for literal weeks at a time. Nothing strange to rationalize against with my staunch materialism at all, just banal old graffitoed derelicts and gorgeous skies full of the unremarkable, easily explainable miracles we are all used to as a rule. Even in death by hypothermia, there was an awareness of pain book-ending literal oblivion. I was an Art Bell devotee/enthusiastic reader of Jung as a kid and I Wanted to Believe, but I spent literal months of privation in idealized conditions for supernatural occurrences and found boredom and hunger for my troubles. I cannot establish an empirical basis for debunking the suprernatural, and of course accept as granted that the reverse is also true. The burden of proof has been on the supernatural to provide one replicable, concrete proof of any of their positions, the evidence is all of an anecdotal quality. There may be more than is dreamt of in my philosophy, dear Horatio; but this does not permit that all things possible are all plausible.

Why do we get wasted away? because it's not us, it's true life that lives in us and keeps on living when our bodies are gone, true life is immortal coming from who knows where, and building a whole new dimension of life under their guide, reproducing and growing to ever new forms, maybe with the goal to someday get back to where they came from, when they accidentally crashed to earth. Consciousness has an engine designed as an aggregation to the brain, it's controlled by true life. True life to be understood as the smallest particles, that once rained to earth, and costructed all living species with whatever materials they found, and of course with the help of the environment at those times. That's why we are limited in a frame of possibilities, like our constructions also are.

Right questions would be : does humankind have a soul? Why it's supposed to have one? If so, do all creatures need to have one too? Once the presense of soul is proven -at least ackowledged- then you can ask is there an after life..

@bautibunge737

4 жыл бұрын

When people talks about soul, what I understand is "conciousness", or "awareness" or how you want to call the fact that it feels like something to be you, and that is self-evident to each person, so the question Im interested in about this is if there is a continuation of experience after the death of the body, and I think is completely possible. As you can't define one "self" or individuality, since you can't separate yourself from the ambient for example, you're exchanging energy, mater and information with it constantly, even in your brain, the idea of "myself" is only illusionary, so I can't discard the idea of something like a "field of consciousness" which is coupled to the matter fields, is possible. If something like that is true, it may be, for example, that after the body dies and the information in your brain and body loss coherence and gets deintegrated, maybe just the consciousness field gets delocalized, it would just lose individuality, but won't get destroyed. I would like to emphasize that I'm not saying I believe that's how the world works or that that's what happens when we die, but to me, is an example of what could be, just to not discard a priori the idea that consciousness doesn't disappear when we die. Of course, as we don't know where consciousness comes from, we can only speculate, but I think people should have in mind the fact that individuality is probably an illusion, since we aren't something special apart from the universe and, if one believes that consciousness arrise from information, it's a known fact from quantum mechanics that information can't be destroyed

You can have afterlife in this life JESUS CHRIST

@tongakhan230

3 жыл бұрын

In contrast to what people believe, the bible states that there is NO life after death. Psalsm 146: 3 Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. That is why the resurrections make sense. A person who is still living cannot be resurrected.

when it is , IT IS.... We as humans ask "WHAT IS IT LIKE ?" It is not what you could KNOW NOW. First, YOU address as "I" "Me" "Myself".... So, Imagine Losing Individuality.....

@bautibunge737

4 жыл бұрын

Just have some dmt and you won't need to imagine it

@winstonchang777

4 жыл бұрын

@@bautibunge737 Dear Bauti , Thanks! I have never tried DMT...read lots about it...Is there a smokeless way to do DMT? I do not inhale well....Thanks again!

@bautibunge737

4 жыл бұрын

@@winstonchang777 it can be smoked, injected or orally with an imao (like Ayahuasca). In my experience the most efficient way was to smoke it in changa, ie, infused in a smokable plant

A soul certainly does have an afterlife. How do I know that? Well, by several reasons, the most obvious being derived from logic and deductive reasoning, whereas, the Bible is all about you giving your soul to the God(s), thus, thereby we establish the existence of soul/spirit, for deductive reasoning dictates, They (The Gods) would not try to trick you out of something you do not have, or that does not really exist, that is logic. One should also know that soul, and spirit, are two different things, especially in Go'd's "System of Things", wherein God Itself is a “Thing”, and wherefore “It” is androgynous, thus, It can be a He or She, Mother or Father, heaven or hell, depending on the function It is performing at the time. It is heaven and hell: "I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there" Ps 139: hence, in the English Language, spirit is masculine, and soul feminine: It is Father when It installs/ ejaculates/casts out, the spirits/things that come forth of It: “The father of spirits” Nu 16: 22; "things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, things that are not, to bring to naught things that are:" I Co 1:28“; the Father raiseth up the dead,” Joh 5:21. It is Mother (feminine) when or after taking in life or soul: “Many strong men have been slain by her. Her house is the way to hell” Pr 7:26, 27; “Her guests are in the depths of hell.” Pr 9:18. Want to know a whole lot more about this topic? Go to my channel, see links in the discussion section.

Unless I can have my dog with me I don’t want no afterlife.

Guy was Hercules in his previous life... ...

Anyone who’s genuinely curious in this should really try DMT

@dennisgerrits5437

3 жыл бұрын

Well it prove afterlife?

@sakuraa2008

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennisgerrits5437 let's say you will get a glimpse into it 😈

@Archeidos-Arcana

Жыл бұрын

@@dennisgerrits5437 It won't, but it may open your mind to understanding that there is more to Being-ness than our regular phenomenal world of senses. Many believe that the mind is capable of peering into the noumenal world (reality independent of senses), and doing it often gives the user an idea of what that might look like. For example, the mathematical probability of conscious Beings arising within four or more spatial dimensions is significantly higher every additional dimension you add. Hypothetically, it could get to the point where the higher dimensions themselves simply are conscious in and of themselves. If you take modern String theory into account, it's likely that the energy/matter which exists within our 'frequency threshold' is actually vibrating in and out of higher dimensional space. Which could mean our consciousness itself is premised on higher dimensionality which we simple cannot perceive. All speculation of course, but the thing is- it's always the most mediocre men of science who cannot allow themselves to imagine what might be beyond.

Man looks like Thor from Endgame

Self deception easiest deception.

Check on Pascal's wager pls after this video.

The question I'd ask Jaron Lanier would be: What do you **hope** for in the afterlife? If there were an afterlife, what would you want it to include? He started with "memory." There's a start. It's not important that our thinking be "credible," though I think that Jaron Lanier would like something that accords with scientific understanding. Jaron Lanier is wrong: You can say what you wish for, at the birthday cake, without being superstitious, OR being a gang member.

Potentially. This is a personal decision. Assuming you pass the Scale of Judgement, there is choice. Return to Karma, human, animal, tree, ect. Stay and serve. Spirit walk. Soul Death. #rotaercmai

I’m not 100% certain about an afterlife; I’m only 100% certain that I, personally anyway, don’t want to find out the answer to that question too soon.

the unicorns exist? i don't know, but im not going to make a big deal about it

Team Science here but who the hell made an entire Universe to where we're even debating, an afterlife wouldnt surprise me, we'll find out!

John died two days ago. Yesterday, we buried John's body. Where is John?

yeah its a fine line.. but reality is all that it is.. infinite fractals . no time no space everything happens now and even the now is an illusion generated by the brain.. we can only ponder & wonder at it.. amazing!

you may never be able to prove a spirt world while you dwell in the physical world.......the energy that's all around us.

Metaphysics We are sparks placed here for a brief moment to accumulate light and warmth (love) so that we can become as bright of a star as we can be...shining in heaven (joy, beauty and harmony). Good (god) knows every star by name. We accumulate light and warmth (love) by appreciating this paradise planet lifeboat and the miraculous works of fine art called "life" that inhabit it. If we extinguish our light and warmth (love) with "greed" and its ignorance (hate)...we become the darkness and emptiness that surrounds the stars. A very cold, dark, lonely, desolate place to be...for eternity.

Bert Russell had his distant space teacup analogy and I will stand by that. We do not know if there is a single teacup orbiting earth at some distance. Your could start a cult that worships it as the teacup of god that will deliver us to an afterlife just as well as you can believe in any other afterlife. Russell suggests this is not a great idea. I agree.

@Wolfhammered

4 жыл бұрын

John Smith There is however, lived experience, written testimony, archaeology, and history. While the teacup is just a thought experiment.

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wolfhammered - And your point with respect to my post is ... what? I don't say that sarcastically, I'd like to know your point (as a reply to my post). Every detail of "lived experience, written testimony, archaeology, and history" supports that there is no supernatural realm.

@bautibunge737

4 жыл бұрын

That analogy is strong if you speak of a particular kind of afterlife, if we know nothing about it, then I can't believe in something specific, but complete nothingness is a kind of afterlife, is a very specific one, so you could argue with se same kind of argument. If you ask something different, as "is there some kind of experience that transcend the death of the body?" Then you're not talking about a very specific scenario, it has very large entropy, so you can't discard it so lightly, a posible analogy would be "is there some porcelane artefact somewhere in space?" I wouldn't be so sure to say "no, it has negligable probability", as there are several possible ways that can be true

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

@@bautibunge737 - The teacup as I now bother to look was in fact about a teapot, but the analogy is not about either or specificity, it was just an object useful to Russell because he was English. You could just as easily use a handgun or a lotus flower or a vast unknown realm of planets outside our universe. The analogy is about whether a lack of evidence is powerful for, or against, an idea. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot That we have to constantly re-litigate these fundamental concepts does make me wonder about why we let the stupid run the lives of the intelligent, & why are humans perennially stupid? I attended Sunday School as a boy and sat there thinking, "this is not a particularly interesting story unless they eventually get around to some trace of evidence for it all, and I can't see that happening because the story is unreasonable." I attended Catholic mass and would squeeze my knuckles white praying, but it was about giving a nice effort for it's own sake, not belief. It seemed to me one tried to do the right thing because the consequences were better, not because of a magical threat.

@bautibunge737

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith1474 oh, I don't care about what Catholicism says, I'm much more close to an atheist than to a Christian. I consider the idea that there is an afterlife that is there to judge you is pretty ridiculous in fact. What I meant with the specificity is a view inspired in inference. If you know nothing about something (maximum entropy of the system), the more specific you're claims are, the more probable that you're wrong, so if you say that some terrestrial object is in the orbit of let's say, Mercury (I don't remember the exact location Russel said but is not important) without evidence, you're probably wrong, since you're assuming too much information with respect to the entropy of the system. If you say that there is an Earth object somewhere in outer space, you're probably right, since you're assuming very little information. The analogy I want to make is that, if you claim a specific afterlife (such as Christian heaven, for example), without knowing anything about the system, you're almost certainly wrong, but if you claim something more broad, with less information attached to it (for example, claiming that the conciousness doesn't get completely destroyed after death), then the probability that you're wrong is much less. I just want to remind you that no one has idea of where does the conciousness comes from, so claiming that you're sure that it gets completely destroyed after death is just an act of faith, it clearly has more plausibility than Christian heaven given our understanding of the universe, but faith based non the less

No.

The MIND is where you experience eternal life. You will experience the death of your body but that is only an illusion.

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

@Slim Shady YES, you were CREATED in ME a very long time ago.

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

​@Slim Shady I was CREATED to speak for our CREATOR. Where do you think I got the knowledge from to understand what the MIND is?

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

@Slim Shady I AM the VOICE of our CREATOR so I definitely understand how YOU are CREATED in ME.

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

@Slim Shady I AM the TRUTH but it's obvious you do not know who I AM.

@BradHolkesvig

4 жыл бұрын

@Slim Shady ALL the people that you see on Earth will die and that will leave ME all by MYSELF and all the MEN who were CREATED in MY IMAGE a very long time ago. WE are ONE in our FATHER's CREATION.

The so called Soul has eternal validity;if your soul did"nt survive your body you would"nt need a soul in the first place!

@samreh6156

Жыл бұрын

Soul is a human invention to stave off fear of dying, death, and oblivion.

I read Tarot cards and have read for many doctors, scientists and academics.

Terence McKenna, for sure the most brilliant mind available on the internet, has the best take on the afterlife. He believes it could be, and so do I.

@1DangerMouse1

4 жыл бұрын

Based on what? Just because something os possible does not make it probable or actual.

@uremove

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Davis 👍 Terence McKenna was a fantastic visionary. I hope he’s out there now enjoying conversations with the DMT elves.

@uremove

4 жыл бұрын

Martyr4JesusTheChrist Ooh no! Much more puzzling and bizarre (at least as he describes them).

@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt

4 жыл бұрын

@@1DangerMouse1 The fact that you even ask such a shitarded question is irrefutable proof of your ignorance of brain research, consciousness, the nature of reality,...,... And the fact you're not embarrassed by your abject ignorance is vile. You obviously have zero interest in educating yourself. Your purpose is a fly at a picnic. An irrelevant annoyance the attendants would like to see dead.

@uremove

4 жыл бұрын

Martyr4JesusTheChrist OMG! That’s quite a post! I think they were probably more like aliens 👽than demons... 👹 or maybe just some sort of archetype... but not necessarily malevolent. 👾👾👾 Love the wonderful string of superlatives in your hymn of praise by the way!

A person asked Jesus , when will the end occur? Jesus replies to him, You want to understand the end when you dont even want to understand the beggining. The one who understands the beggining, there will the end be. When you know who are, when you know your at one with Jesus, Home no longer feels so far. Glory to Jesus, our Lord.

1700 years of evagelism with an attitude of divine domination has really screwed things up.

@marvelharris9540

3 жыл бұрын

And yet you would want your approach to be dominant as the cure?

@mediocrates3416

3 жыл бұрын

@@marvelharris9540 The truth ought be dominant as the cure; to be sure. I want someone to talk to.

To learn about the afterlife, one has to use the shamanic tools of entheogenic plants.

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Don Juan. Now start a cult and milk housewives for donations.

@mitseraffej5812

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Davis . No, to learn about the afterlife one has to die.

@shaikan0

4 жыл бұрын

People seem to be extremely dismissive and ignorant about such topics without even having put any research into it. Most people aren't even aware of all the current scientific research going into entheogens to treat a myriad of psychological illnesses with significant success. And this is is research performed in university hospitals and other main stream research facilities. Not some "Don Juan book" or someone voicing their opinion in a KZread video. I guess its always easier to dismiss whatever conflicts with your current world view and put into question your belief systems.

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

@@shaikan0 - The chemistry of complex organic compounds is always interesting and when it is presented intelligently or even reasonably as fiction it receives acceptance or not according to the listener's understanding or naivete. However to say "To learn about the afterlife, one has to use the shamanic tools ..." is carnival barking, it is a Three-card Monte sales pitch. It is what works on Venice Beach or a NYC street corner. You do not add anything to a discussion of afterlife by adding in a mystical vector shaman or medicine man or voodoo doctor delivery agent. Conversely you Injecting the word "university hospital" without clarification/extension, but just for it's implication, is actually an invitation to attack because it is clearly bullshit. Yes many pharmacological concerns are working through many complex naturally derived compounds at labs all over the world, but that is absolutely without any association to anything remotely concerning afterlife. And for the record I did college in the 70s, we were all about "natural medicine."

@johnsmith1474

4 жыл бұрын

If there were an "afterlife," because it is not "causally connected to this reality, yes one would have to die to learn it's details. This is just like that; if there are elves and unicorns in a magical garden floating invisibly above the mountains in Nepal, one would have to go there to learn about it, because it's invisible/magical etc. But one does not have to die to "learn enough" to dismiss the idea of an afterlife with perfect authority, just like one needn't go search about the sky of Nepal to reject the magical garden of elves. It's not there, because reason says it is not there by all standards of reason no matter how loose. Indeed "knowing" and "belief" have parameters that can be met ONLY BY using "reason." All the endless hard work of all the thinking humans for all of our time here on Earth summarily reject the idea of an afterlife, just as they reject rising from the dead. So there is neither such thing. A person is free to hold a belief anyway, but it would be very shallow and could be tested to be shallow easily. There were days when men would be burned at the stake rather than recant their belief in wild conjectures about supernatural possibilities. But this is because of what they did NOT know, not because what they did know ie they knew no better. Those days are long gone because of knowledge & reason. Today unfounded belief is about creating narratives for ulterior motives, like sales pitches.

I take the position that even alot of atheists dont. I hope there's no afterlife, at least not an eternal one. An eternal conscience existence would be a prison you could never escape from.

@damienhansen7553

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, unless theres some form of enlightened unfathomable bliss, eternity would be the worst torture imaginable.

NO. The best all of you can hope for? That the theory that many Universes that pop in and out of existence for eternity one after the other or maybe even trillions at the same time?..ONE of them re makes another you in a very Earth like world. In other words,death becomes the best time machine there is. Because if trillions of Universe lives and die before one re makes you? You never missed a beat. Of course you also have no idea of your previous existence.

Wow- trim him up a little and that’s what I look like!

This question assumes the existence of a soul.

@Archeidos-Arcana

Жыл бұрын

The soul is simply a rough 'alternative word' for consciousness. Though, it usually denotes that someone believes that there is an extra transcendent something to 'consciousness' than what we're capable of knowing through our every day phenomenal experience.

Well, he lost all credibility halfway in when he said the only reason he’s not against an afterlife is because he doesn’t want to make people “hate science”

@morphixnm

4 жыл бұрын

christina, people have good reason to hate scientism where poor scientists make pronouncements about what they think is a totally objective view of us and the cosmos.

@flyingmonkey3822

4 жыл бұрын

Well it really is a problem that doesn’t get discussed much: Can everything in the universe be reduced to what physics tells us about the behavior of matter? Another way of saying this: Is the universe reducible? This for some is just an axiom and not up for debate even though it has implications for other beliefs, like where are economics in the Schrödinger equation? Bc they don’t exist just like consciousness itself doesn’t exist, and philosophy suffers the same fate too, so it’s terribly reductive to just assume this is true.

@morphixnm

4 жыл бұрын

Tim Sallee, I like all your points. If we look at scientific theories honestly and critically we will continue to explore with an open mind.

@arldoran

4 жыл бұрын

@@flyingmonkey3822 Economics are in the Social outcome of the Natural Selection, which is in the Genetics, which is in the Organic Chemistry, which is in the Electromagnetic and Weak Forces, which is the Quantum Physics, which is in the Schrödinger equation. There is a small scale limit for .... everything in Universe, which is based on Planck Units. And as there is a limit for the smallest, there HAS to be a limit for the biggest or largest, because having nothing "infinitessimal" is making the "infinity" also also out of discussion (logic dictates that the smallest part of the infinity has to be also an infinity). Ergo, small scale is finite, big scale is finite, universe is finite, all is quantifiable. I m sure this idea is disturbant even for the most "fundamentalist" scientists, so they enjoy with their infinities. A mentally safe status requiring a bit of dishonesty and self-denial. Similar to being freightened by the idea of the death is the ultimate end, and finding sanctuary in a more "modern mythos".

@flyingmonkey3822

4 жыл бұрын

@@arldoran i'm not sure where you are coming down on this subject. Do you think that psychology and economics are a natural science with everything in it being quantifiable and mechanistic, emergent from smaller scale equations that could possibly return "classical" equations in some future more ideal physics?