Thank you Sam for not getting sucked in and standing on your research!

@lc2c177

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. I applaud them for bringing him on. Now bring on the many many others touching on this and other breakthrough topics w ample evidence. Instead of getting some Theologian to explain God like they did once, ughh. Come one man I’ll say it, Parapsychology, get the Scientists research those topics on already!

@wagfinpis

3 ай бұрын

He always gets someone who has studied religion and starts asking them questions that they have no experience with or evidence of. Meanwhile there are plenty of trained doctors who are investigating Near Death Experience data and also many who are willing to speculate philosophically. This is the first time he has gotten anyone to talk about life after death who has any reason to have any idea what they are talking about.

@lc2c177

3 ай бұрын

@@wagfinpis I sure hope the producers read these comments. It’s about time they get those who are working on bleeding edge breakthrough research. Thank you for the contribution! Scientism is a mind virus of the bad kind!

@rizwanrafeek3811

3 ай бұрын

A Christian scientist posted a video on how a Muslim man ability to identify unwanted spirit in your body and pull them out of you, it was unbias report. It will make you go, umm how many things the West did not learn from Islam. This muslim man took on Christian scientist. Then Christian scientist goes on saying, "I don't have recollection of these event took place" but he witness himself in the video after all said and done.

@edwardsmith9644

Ай бұрын

@@wagfinpisAgreed. I truly believe that the experiences of real people during their NDEs are better sources than ancient texts or neurological studies.

Full respect to this man. He talks about what he knows and politely avoids the speculation.

Consciousness is a non local field or dimension that functions separate/outside from Spacetime. Perhaps the brain is a conduit for it.

@MichaelDembinski

3 ай бұрын

Metaphor: the mind is a radio receiver; universal consciousness the radio waves that permeate spacetime. Consider consciousness to be fundamental, from consciousness emerge space, time and matter. [Some radio receivers are powerful and sensitive, able to catch multiple wavebands with great clarity. Others are but cat-whisker crystal sets. As we evolve spiritually, over subsequent incarnations, our consciousness/receiver becomes more powerful/sensitive.]

@Loots1

3 ай бұрын

Prove it or keep your ramblings to yourself

@MichaelDembinski

3 ай бұрын

@@Loots1 Disprove it or keep your ramblings to yourself 😂

@Kritiker313

3 ай бұрын

I think that the brain probably is a conduit for consciousness but also a filter that keeps us from being overwhelmed by all the stimuli around us. This theory was explained by Dr. Bruce Greyson, a neurologist who researches near death experiences (NDE's). Evidence comes from testimonies of people who, after returning from near death, reported that they'd seen colors and heard sounds they'd never perceived before. That consciousness operates outside of spacetime is also supported by NDE'er reports that their experience of time was non-existent while in near death.

@sven888

2 ай бұрын

love

The brain is actually the best representation of all matter. It is neuronal. Neurons are cells having only two features that may be said to account for our conscious self. These two features are the axon and the dendrites. These are only part of a signal generating (or inhibiting) and propagating mechanism. Whenever our sensory organs come into contact with an object, the sense-data pertaining to this object is _experienced_ and _felt_ by the self. This experience is undeniable. But the neurons will only _relay_ and _convey_ , _route_ and _reroute_ the sense-data over the nervous system. From the location of the sensory receptors right up to the highest point of the cerebral cortex, there is only relay. The neurons in the cerebral cortex do exactly the same job (of signal propagation) that the neurons at the bottom most level of the hierarchy are doing viz. only relaying. So, quite clearly, there is an UNBRIDGEABLE GAP here. On the one hand, conscious experience is undeniable. On the other hand, there are entities acting only as the conveyor (not experiencer) of data. Therefore, in order to bridge this gap, we *must* introduce into the picture an entity that is conscious by nature and which must experience and perceive the sense-data brought in by the neurons (in the form of signals). It is this conscious entity, which lies above all matter but still is connected to its best representation, the brain, that was given the name of " *soul* " by the ancient philosopher-scientists.

@edwardsmith9644

Ай бұрын

How would you explain a person blind from birth who can suddenly “see” during an NDE? They never developed the ability to process visual signals. Many NDEs counter the notion that consciousness is strictly in the brain. Don’t take my word for it; spend some time looking into them. Very compelling.

@Simon-xi8tb

27 күн бұрын

All the activity you see in the brain is just an image, a representation of consciousness that is presented to us across disassociative boundary, but this image itself is not consciousness, it's only the image of it, one representation of the mental process. What you described is basically "The BIG problem of consciousness" coined by Chalmers. It sure is a big problem, i dont see it as a bridgable gap if you believe in materialism.

@Simon-xi8tb

27 күн бұрын

@@edwardsmith9644 because materialism is metaphysics that just don't work. IMHO idealism comes closer to truth.

@Arunava_Gupta

27 күн бұрын

@@Simon-xi8tb Yes, very correct. It's totally unbridgeable. An extra entity, conscious by nature (immaterial), must be introduced. Thanks for your reply 🙏.

@Arunava_Gupta

27 күн бұрын

@@edwardsmith9644 Yes, it is the conscious personality attached to the brain that is endowed with knowledge faculties like that of sight etc. that actually sees. What happens is there is a fall into matter of the conscious personalities and they become very matter-like and are unable to exercise their (transcendental) powers of vision etc. So, in this "handicapped" state, the conscious personality needs the help of *sense-organs* to manifest their powers. The function of an organ is to facilitate the expression of the power of the entity to which it is connected. Sight, for example, then becomes possible because of the eye, the organ; but it's not the physical eye that does the seeing!

...Please I must share this with everyone. When I was younger,and my Grandmother passed. At the viewing I remember how I had a major revelation. That which made my Grandmother who she was did not inhabit her body. The Essence of her was gone. Many years later I had a vision of my family members of which my Grandmother was present. My Grandmother's Essence was reunited with her physical looking body. It was her, complete as I had known her in life, respectfully, Chuck...captivus brevis...Blessings... .

@sven888

2 ай бұрын

Yes. I understand what you mean. Especially the part where you write "that which made my Grandmother who she was did not inhabit her body. The Essence of her was gone. " God's purpose is love man. Hence life...

Crisp and clear. You have to respect it. No hiding behind the Great Gamagoo or whatever other foil of choice is available

I can't help sense mr Parnia personally believes the Soul goes on. But he is 100 per cent correct not to jump to that conclusion in the interest of true science.

@rodneycarvalho6052

3 күн бұрын

the only way scientist will be able to prove the existence of a soul; it will be as soon as they invent a MRI machine capable to read the energy of the soul leaving a body. So for now, we will have to rely on NDEs and Mediumships; which in themselves have been telling us a lot info; at least for me.

It's interesting that people know things they can't possibly know.

Robert remember don't dichotomize reality. The physical needs the metaphysical to make sense of the world. And vice versa. The analogies are endless but the most obvious in science is that the self and the will to compute the 'Laws' is a metaphysical component of conscious existence, which in themselves confer no darwinian biological survival advantages in the jungle. Think of it this way Robert, what is time itself? What is space itself? And what is self awareness itself? Beyond this the causal properties of existence is quite intriguing and I share in your passions....

@BugRib

23 күн бұрын

It doesn't even need to be _self_ awareness, it just needs to be awareness itself. Conscious experience can occur without any awareness of self. IMHO. 👍

@jimmcgreehan3624

23 күн бұрын

Yes I think to that end there could be three metaphysical subcategories: 1. Self, intentionality, subjectivity, subjective experiences, phenomenology ,the will... . 2. Consciousness itself, inanimate objects versus animate objects, an ecosystem filled with a variety of ' conscious ' species, instinct v. volition. 3. The perception of time, the quality (qualia) versus quantity (physical properties) of existing things in themselves, abstract mathematical models of existence (models of Infinity) quantum tunneling and non-locality, Higgs particle....

If humans have souls, it's fair to ask: do all animals have souls too? Because, humans are animals.

@healingplaces

3 ай бұрын

Yes.

@ianwaltham1854

3 ай бұрын

If we do then they do because they're conscious like us.

@Batman-vr6jp

3 ай бұрын

Soul is like electricity... When you die the soul will be without identity.... It's like taking battery out of phone... All memory is in the phone... Like that when you die the soul or energy will be no identity no memory.... All identity memory will be in brain with your die.... So soul is just a energy giving your body life

@Batman-vr6jp

3 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 but we cannot control soul... or we could bring people back to life

@gregjhill

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely

- Spirit: Any source of energy or influence that acts upon or filters through a specific toroidal system (a soul). - Soul: Any toroidal system designed to receive, interpret, transmit, and/or transform spirits. - Body: Any structure designed to protect and host a soul. - Angel: Any process in which a spirit and soul interact. Some examples of spirits would be electromagnetism, water, blood, words, ideas, etc. Some examples of souls would be stars, planets, brains, dams, etc.

@SenorCinema

3 ай бұрын

you dropped your brain

@ghostgate82

3 ай бұрын

@@SenorCinema With an empty comment like that, are you sure it’s not *you* that has dropped yours? Provide a cogent rebuttal, or refrain from commenting at all.

@kennyongyc

3 ай бұрын

🙈

@abelincoln8885

3 ай бұрын

Nope. The soul is part of the spirit categoriy. A spirit & body are subcategoreies of the Mind Categorie. Man is a subcategory of the Inteligence Category. God & Angels are entirely spirits. And only an inelligence makes, operates, imporves Functions due to the Informaiton all Functions possess to exist & to function. But you must start with the simple fact that Man is the only known NATURAL intelligence in a Universe when everything is a NATURAL Function, including Man's body with information that can only come from the Mind of an intelligence. Universal Functions is the proof of God, spirits & souls btw .. and is the only way youcan use natural laws to ove the unnatural.

@Ed-quadF

3 ай бұрын

I like donuts and pot.

The whole division between 'physical' and 'non-physical' (or material and immaterial) is historically very blurred anyway. The notion of invisible infinitely extending fields that permeate the whole universe and interact with 'matter' (e.g. like gravity) was once looked down on as a semi-religious notion because notable thinkers at that time defined 'physical' as strictly-speaking tangible and mechanistic (that is to say - only able to exert influence by direct contact). That historical notion is now rejected. But rather than saying that 'immaterial invisible fields exist', we instead simply re-defined what we meant by physical so that these phenomena could be included. Essentially - the point is that we should be slightly less obsessive by whether something is physical/material or not as these definitions get reshaped over time. The relevant question is not whether the mind/soul/psyche is physical, but rather "is it real?" "is there any data to support it?" "does that phenomena (whether physical or not) persist after a certain point in time which we call clinical death?". It would seem, albeit tentatively, that the answer to these questions is 'yes'.

@fernandocostadecampos6854

Ай бұрын

Excellent point!

@jflnote3901

Ай бұрын

Why does it seem strange that the psyche should survive after clinical death - provided the person does not remain dead? The psyche is derived from the person's biology, and that biology did not remain dead, so certainly the psyche should be retained. Talk to me when you have evidence of an extant non-biologically dependent psyche - that is, a psyche that survives the permanent death of the supporting biology. Also, I find Sam's suggestion of a psyche that doesn't exist within the brain to be ridiculous. If it's not in the brain, then where else can it be - the spinal column perhaps? Regardless of that, I am onboard with the need for further research and analysis into how the psyche/mind functions from a biological or mechanistic perspective. I do not expect it will be determined to exist, or can exist, outside the brain.

@joeclark1621

21 күн бұрын

@@jflnote3901 Sam actually can't be wrong cause he never suggested anything that he didn't provide with clear data on.

@jflnote3901

21 күн бұрын

@@joeclark1621 You resurrected this thread just to say that? SMH.

@joeclark1621

20 күн бұрын

@@jflnote3901 Well what did I say that's wrong? He provided discovery parallel with what his medical data study showed him. He didn't go further than that at all, in fact, he didn't even speculate what he could've speculated based on what his data showed. You reject the idea that the psyche persist after physical death well if his studies showed that even several minutes after brain death, consciousness persists, should he reject that too just to satisfy your materialistic reductionist worldview bullshit narrative?

8:52 is the role of a conscious observer the key element in the study of consciousness from a physical perspective 🤔

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

What is physical? Something you can see? Colour is created in our minds, what is feeling ? Sensory perceptions? hot and cold also created within the mind, maybe something you can hold or touch, that's also a strong force of repelling energy..What really is physical ?

@r2c3

3 ай бұрын

​@@offtheradarsomewhere.the references that you make relate to em impulses that are collected and processed by an intricate structure that self-identifies as physical matter... if you don't want to reference it as matter, then you have to come up with a different reference that equates with exactly the same properties and functionality...

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

@@r2c3 condensed energy.. some say potato some say potatoes 😂🤣🙏

The READINESS POTENTIAL is an indication that there is something prior to the Prefrontal cortex making executive decisions. The Soul is the origin of choice so it is the first step in any executive decision making pathway. Wherher the Readiness Potential is detecting the earliest steps in the pathway from Soul to Brain or just an earlier step is yet to be determined so hats off to all the researchers working on this topic.

@craigswanson8026

3 ай бұрын

There is another option. The readiness potential likely originates from the unconscious mind, where 99% of our processing takes place. No need for a “soul”.

@A.--.

3 ай бұрын

@@craigswanson8026 no beacuse the Thalamus blocks out much of the subconscious input and a conscious decision has to start with input that reached the locations where the readiness potential begin.

@haros2868

Ай бұрын

​@@craigswanson8026The readiness potential has been Debunked to be the determinant of the choice. It was mere irrelevant noise. It hasn't to do anything with volitional decisions, sometimes it fired where no action was taken. In serious decisions like in which company to donate many dollars, the readiness potential was gone, yet you camt argue that they chose the fonation subconsciously like sleep walking. Anyways its just a noise , a correlation, not a cause

The interviewer seems to be almost desperately seeking confirmation that he will NOT live on after physical death. I'm not sure why. If consciousness survives for hours after physical death, it's quite plausible that it will keep surviving indefinitely. In a different interview, that's what Sam Parnia says--not as a certainty but as a reasonable possibility. There's also the fact that people having these beyond-physical-death experiences often encounter relatives who've been dead for much longer, and also, usually, come out of the experience feeling certain that they themselves will live forever. This is NOT science, but psychologically speaking, it should be respected, since these perceptions are so widespread, cross-cultural, and powerful.

0:42 ... to defend an immortal soul, SP: well one of the things that I think it's important from a persepective of science um is to be very precise with what we're talking about um and the issues that we're studying now I as a scientist as a physicain you know ... I'm interested in knowing what happens when we die for two reasons one because I my job is to bring people back and prevent brain damage but also my job os tp bring back a person fully conscious with aan active mind psyche uh and to make sure the soul of the person is back inside of it 1:20 ... 3:52 so this is a very important distinction you're making that is you're defining souls as ps which is the self you can make an affirmative strong comment that you that this can exist even though the person is clinically dead for a period of time measured now in hours beyond that you not you can't say but during that time but for other people to use that information to defend their definition of soul is this immortal soul whether it's a platonic or religiously based your data does not support that. 4:26 ... I don't know how our research impacts people's beliefs but what I do think is important is that the first time in history 5:08 our opinions and beliefs should be guided by the results of research rather than the way it is today which is that basically you probablyy have millions or billions of different opinions about what happens when we die so the viewpoint aht I think is probably most consistent with the results of our research so far is the view expressed by eminent scientists such as professor sir John Eol the Nobel Prizer winner uh more recently professor Baram Alahi who's giving a series of lectures at the shorm in Paris which is basically that consciousness psyche the soul exists yet a sparated undiscovered entity to the brain it's most likely a very subtle it's not immaterial it's not weird and magical it's it has some materiality but it's very subtle this is what professor Baram Malahi has proposed and that it is who we are 5:58 um and that it should be studied with the objectivity of science uh rather than the sort of uh vague or you know ways that people discuss it today. 6:08 so at the very best you would say that somebody who believed in an immortal soul in any one of the incarnations um in Christianity or Hinduism or anywhere you find it that at very best your research is neutral on that but it certainly the way you're defining the the subtle material ity of the psyche that can exist beyong clinical death that cannot be used to confirm the existence of an immortal soul as defined by any of these religious groups 6:46 ... 7:12 ... I leave that aside and I commont on the data that we have and the data suggests that consciousness the psyche whatever you want to call it doesn't become annihilated that it's most consistent with certain scientist viewpoints such as professor Barahi Saint John Eo the late sin Eo that it it existts it has some type of materiality mustlikely but it hasn't yet been discovered you know if we fast forward to 50 years from now and we found a tool that could measure your thoughts then all the debate would be gone because what is consciousness what is the soul it's the amalgamation of all you thoughts your feelings your emotions that is it um the reason why we have all these debates and if we do do that then there'll probably be no more different religious viewpoints your question would not be quite the way it is today because then everyone would be able to converge what science has shown about what happens to consciousness and what is the soul what happens when we die 8:02 ❤👉the fundamental distinction will be if that exists the psyche as you've defined it is it material however subtle and however different it is than what we know now if there's a matriality to it it is in contradiction to the traditional at least religious views and some philosophical views of an immortal soul in a dualistic sense becasue when you have if you have slight materiality you're in the material world and you are wholly distinct from the dualistic immortal soul. 8:38 thanks. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_grams_experiment

Humans have great predispositions towards their beings that must be taken into account with the data that is studied.

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

Nobody can study anyone's emotional experiences within someone else's mind, other than the person who has had experiences, and most people would not choose to study their experiences only wish to create new ones 💙💫🙏

love

This Dr. right from the beginning got me concerned about his psyche or soul. Arrogant, and talking fast in a way one cannot understand what he was trying to say. Not the words but content How much did he pay for this interview to get his name out there?! For it did not seem he knew a damn thing about life. Doctors are known for disconnecting themselves from their patients. This way, when they kill, somebody won't feel as responsible. If a patient dies out of neglect of their they will not want to feel responsibilities, particularly emotional ones. The interview with him was " much Ado about nothing". Its vibration and frequency from the video can be felt. The first guest that I really felt his thinking pattern. This medical doctor is no scientist and just a "Wana be". No life experience, too immature. He likes to hear himself talk. Metaphysician philosopher

@thanpisittadsri2027

2 ай бұрын

You are just afraid of what you do not know.

@garypuckettmuse

Ай бұрын

no he's a very upstanding, intelligent doctor doing very good work. If he came off as otherwise you might like to see him on some other videos before you judge. The host, Robert, turned this encounter really negative and honestly I've never seen the host in a state like this. He seems very threatened.

No such thing as a soul but there are infinite paths a genetic identity may take. Say you have infinite twins born at different times somewhere in some universe, they all take different paths.

@davonbenson4361

Ай бұрын

A sense of your identity, is not something that you can point to, so that’s your soul.

The confusion comes because consciousness quanta have unique creation circumstances and subsequently accumulated experience. To understand the soul, it is important to understand that the vast majority of souls are at the NPC newbie level of consciousness, operating almost entirely on the default programming of their initial and current soul vehicle. Those who are highly resistant to the ideas of reincarnation and higher level souls with greater creative powers are almost certainly such NPC characters in the game of souls, stock characters pulled from the source library of NPC characters know to oneness cultists as the Akashic records. They do not believe because they have not exercised their free will enough to have had any convincing spiritual experiences.

this shouldn't even be up for debate at this point. I know for a fact it exists . cmon guy s

@markb3786

3 ай бұрын

Share your fact

@davonbenson4361

Ай бұрын

@@markb3786. The information is right in front of you. Just research Dr Patina’s work.

Research of this kind requires a group people to observe and collect data from over a period of time. Therefore it is not your own work. It's an imagined safe to keep under lock and key. This is not the work of Soul or that which allows the science to properly undertake as an important research expedition.

I don't know if I agree with his definition of "soul" being equivalent to "self." It's not that I believe in some individual immoortal soul (I don't), it's that neuroscience has actually shown something akin to what religions like Buddhism have been teaching for thousands of years about the "self." That "self" is defined in these traditions (and in neuroscience) as a sense that one is a separate individual with a type of self "module" somewhere in the head behind the eyes that is controlling everything like a pilot controls a plain, or that we control an avatar in a game. But that doesn't seem to be the case. The most cogent explanations I've come to, that integrate both areas (non-dualistic Eastern religions/spirituality with neuroscience) is that the "self" is a series of patterns of thinking that develop when we are relatively young, cemented by our caregivers, it's about subjectivity - creating a subjective (in terms of the body and mind) perspective that separates us from everything seemingly "outside" of that body/mind. It layers on stories via the building memories within the brain, so it basically is more of a system of various neural patterns in the brain that utilize various aspects of brain processes like memory, visual center (and other perceptual centers), and ties all of these things together and packages them up with a label that says "I" or "Mine." So when we "make decisions" the brain thinks we've made them because this "selfing mechanism" says so, and we believe it, but studies they've conducted with MRIs suggest that decisions sometimes are made up to 6 seconds before the individual is aware they've made such a decision. This is why we often here the phrase in Eastern religions/spirituality that the self is "illusory." It certain "feels" real, but it's a trick that the brain apparently plays on us because it's proven to be very valuable in propagating the species. So when he says it's "obvious that we all have a "self/soul" I would have to disagree with that. I don't think it's obvious and in fact it seems there's a lot of evidence against it at least in the way I'm describing it above. Do we have a "sense of self" - of course, but that isn't the same thing as having a actual "self" (at least in the way I'm defining it above)...

@rizwanrafeek3811

3 ай бұрын

Soul or psyche are material beings, a human soul comprise of two of these entities, as far as Islamic belief is concerned. Each material being is opposite of other, it is like a tug of war between them inspiring thoughts into our mind. In between them, your Creator have the ability to send inspiration to your mind and similarly so can Satan. An American Jewish man, was able to distinguish this inspiration which came from God, which lead him to a miracle in the broad daylight. A U.S military man also posted this same identical event happen to him, related to same identical miracle in the broad daylight. Both claims are posted on YT.

@dvdmon

3 ай бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 That's great if you are a believer in some monotheistic god based on something written in an old book, but for those of us who don't (a fairly sizable number and a growing one, at least in the West), this doesn't really do a whole lot. If you already believe in this type of religious framework, then you already presumably believe in an immortal soul. If you are science-based, no number of "broad daylight" "miracles posted to KZread are going to convince you...

@rizwanrafeek3811

3 ай бұрын

@@dvdmon It isn't just broad daylight miracle counts bur rather it came from former ""enemies""" of Muslims, point is that claims were unbias.

@sven888

2 ай бұрын

genesis two eighteen brother... genesis two eighteen...

@Samsara_is_dukkha

23 күн бұрын

"So when we "make decisions" the brain thinks we've made them because this "selfing mechanism" says so, and we believe it, but studies they've conducted with MRIs suggest that decisions sometimes are made up to 6 seconds before the individual is aware they've made such a decision." They should do an MRI scan on Yuja Wang when she's playing the piano. Depending on the piece, she's probably playing over a hundred notes in less that 6 seconds. How could her brain make the unconscious decision to play notes before she actually consciously plays them is interesting. Are Eastern philosophies non-dualistic? Hinduism postulates reincarnation, Taoism postulates Yin-Yang dualism, and Buddhism sits on the fence depending on which branch one listens to.

Information is not material in a physical sense. We can recognize existence - objectively or/and subjectively - reality or illusion - only in information mode in our conscious mind. Matter can't objectively recognize or/and subjectively feel information. The existence reality that can recognize and/or feel information, either objectively or subjectively, is what namely as soul. Matter can only serve as carrier of information

@user-rc2xs5ti2w

3 ай бұрын

Exactly.

@matishakabdullah5874

3 ай бұрын

In Islam the situation/position of soul of a living person in sleeping and dying states is described in AlQuran; Chapter Az-Zumar, Verse 42: "Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect." (English - Shakir) via iQuran

The interesting thing is that when people have out of body experiences and see their own bodies from above- science says that’s not proof of a soul, that’s an illusion . But what is the difference between looking at your own body from above and seeing it as something different from yourself, and looking at your own arms and legs right now as something different than the essence of who you are ? If one were to see a photograph or a video of himself, he might say “that’s me” but that picture or video will still look slightly unfamiliar to yourself. Your own face and body isn’t 100% known to you . And also , I don’t think just simply material flesh according to the laws of physics, would be able to move itself throughout space, and time as a self-contained unit on auto pilot, without an outside source powering it .

The last words contained the most controversial claim: "The consciousness, psyche, or the soul may continue and may exist independent of brain function." I wonder from which data he concluded this, while his own AWARE II study indicates that brain activity continues even after cardiac arrest during resuscitation, which can explain the near-death experience! It seems to me that his interpretations tend toward religious assumptions.

The thing is, science and religion are two completely different studies. I think yes, he has found a soul. That is important. Consciousness vs. a soul.

What's a soul?

This is the first time I've seen Robert using his own belief trying to manipulate the interview to confirm his bias towards this topic, which was not pleasant to watch.

@nietztsuki

3 ай бұрын

I agree completely. I'm glad Sam did not take Robert's bait, and fall for his physicalist reductionism.

@trentphelps41

3 ай бұрын

That is the only reason I am reading the comments. To see if anyone else picked up on that.

No

Define MATERIAL....dark matter is material but not interacting.

The materialists and the war paradigm has dominated public perception and Robert takes the NDE subject on a barren flat land with no resources and says now defend that in the war that the the materialists are already winning! It would be in far better taste to be a sport and look at the provocative questions and ways the NDE subject is capable of attacking some of the smaller hills that the materialist philosophies have claimed. It has been clinically recorded that at least one person "claims" (there were corroborated details that would support the appearance of a sincere claim) to have had an experience ("developed new memories") "while" they were hooked up to an EEG machine displaying "no neuronal activity". Creating new memories while having no neuronal activity should be COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE according to materialist convention as it pertains to neuroscience. *The only weak point to this attack on conventional neuroscience philosophy is that the persons claim is not disprovable, so it would require a significant study to hand wave the formality of materialist worship. Defending this popular convention would bring us closer to truth, but instead Robert steered us closer to popular, with his enquiring minds want to know frame of questions.

@davonbenson4361

Ай бұрын

Facts!

Can you get Michael Levin on, he won’t tell you in your face but his work will help understand NDE’s & OBE’s I believe.

the only way scientist will be able to prove the existence of a soul; it will be as soon as they invent a MRI machine capable to read the energy of the soul leaving a body. So for now, we will have to rely on NDEs and Mediumships; which in themselves have been telling us a lot info; at least for me.

Who listens to the voice in our head? Our soul. Us 🌞🤝🌞🤝🌞

@Niaaal

3 ай бұрын

A percentage of the population doesn't have inner monologue. Are you implying they don't have souls?

@marxxthespot

3 ай бұрын

@@Niaaal Quite the opposite. They have direct access to their souls without all the noise 🌞🤝🌞

Interesting. Would loved to have heard more about the data.

It's not do people have souls? It's, is the person itself the soul?

The only souls we have are on the bottom of our feet, oh and a ar*esoul

Game over for Tesla!

Lord Krishna says we do not have souls rather we are souls.

@skwalka6372

3 ай бұрын

Indian elephants have souls.

@chayanbosu3293

3 ай бұрын

@@skwalka6372 Ya i understand you are a very big intellectual, so big just like a elephant's head much bigger than a human"s head in size

@everready800

3 ай бұрын

Yes it can't be some kind of possession we have. We're spiritual beings experiencing a physical existence.

@marxxthespot

3 ай бұрын

🎯

@everready800

3 ай бұрын

​@@skwalka6372And big ears

As per Robert at 9:25 "Slight materiality you are in the material World" That is incorrect statement, dark-matter and dark-energy are in the material World? I guess not.

@camelianic2348

3 ай бұрын

Yes,they are...but not proven yet.

The doctor is saying Consciousness survives after initial apparent bodily death. Thats proof in favor of religion than host.

Know spirit and applying spirituality will become easy.

Everyone has a soul or spirit or higher self or connection to the universe, what ever you want to call it, let's call it consciousness for all people's perceptions, does it matter what happens or where we go when time is up in this world, time is something we can create something beautiful while we are here💙💫🙏

@user-kf3yc1hc4m

3 ай бұрын

That's not the question. Even the most stubborn materialists today do not doubt the existence of the soul. The debate is whether the soul is a derivative of the brain or something immaterial. If the second. then this is a revolution in science. The author of the channel tried to literally use pincers to extract from Sam that the soul is material, but he was never able to do it.

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

@@user-kf3yc1hc4m Everyone processes information differently, what was the question? I was probably thinking of something else while watching and will have to watch it again..

@Batman-vr6jp

3 ай бұрын

​@@offtheradarsomewhere.Soul is like electricity... When you die the soul will be without identity.... It's like taking battery out of phone... All memory is in the phone... Like that when you die the soul or energy will be no identity no memory.... All identity memory will be in brain with your die.... So soul is same as electricity

@ianwaltham1854

3 ай бұрын

It matters because if current actions have consequences in an afterlife then we'd be wise to watch what we do. If consciousness disappears when brains die then there is no concern.

@Batman-vr6jp

3 ай бұрын

@@ianwaltham1854 what actions?? .... Are you making the sun to shine.... Are you spinning the earth..... Why do you think your action matters in this huge universe

I suppose this video would be shorter if he interviewed an atheist. No, there is no evidence for a "soul".

You don't HAVE a soul; you ARE a soul.

Soul or psyche are material beings, a human soul comprise of two of these entities, as far as Islamic belief is concerned. Each material being is opposite of other, it is like a tug of war between them inspiring thoughts into our mind. In between them, your Creator have the ability to send inspiration to your mind and similarly so can Satan. An American Jewish man, was able to distinguish this inspiration which came from God, which lead him to a miracle in the broad daylight. A U.S military man also posted this same identical event happen to him, related to same identical miracle in the broad daylight. Both claims are posted on YT.

The University of Virginia School of Medicine studies stories of reincarnation. That's scientific study of stories of reincarnation. Then there are the Edgar Cayce readings: over 14,500 documented psychic readings that individuals may peruse where Cayce described the afterlife and what happens when we die.

This is the best way I can explain this if you have paranormal activity as I say its spirit activity going on in your house... no one can explain how it happen is impossible to figure out and to me that near death going on is very real going to heaven is impossible to figure out. And people say that when there seeing heaven there seeing it just as if they would be looking at someone. Its trying to figure have life was created a sperm egg creates life so how a sperm egg created? Its life god is life we are life and we are all one these events are very real

psyche has awareness of mass in brain?

REINCARNATION IS THE MOST DIRECT PROOF OF SOUL VIA RECOGNITION OF UNKNOWN INFORMATION.

The word soul is used carelessly in English language; same as love which they often use for lust and many other worldly desires.

Everybody is confused about what the "soul" is; the "soul" is nothing more than the force that animates life; chiggers have souls.

A *Soul* is an emergent term coined by religion that was better defined later as consciousness, person, the mind, or in philosophical / psychological terms, the "id." It gets summarily eliminated by atheists due to its connection to religion, but if a "soul" can be equated with "Consciousness," ... then suddenly we find some common ground. We don't realize it, but we have been mimicking what the "Soul" and "Consciousness" represent for quite a while with our advanced computer technology. *Example:* In my video editing software I have a feature called a "null object." This is a nonexistent, nonvisible, _non-rendering_ layer that I can place above a bunch of existing layers of visible graphic elements that _do render._ This null object has no shape, no dimensions, no inherent properties, nor any form whatsoever. Its sole purpose is to serve as a nonphysical "container" for instructions. I can apply effects, transitions, gradients, commands, and expressions to this invisible "null object" that affect everything existing below its layer. This design concept is not that much different than the "mind-body" issue that everyone loves to debate. Consciousness (or the "soul") is like a nonphysical layer (a null object) that resides right above everything else that exists within the hierarchy below it. That's where your personal, individual "command structure" (information) is held that your brain uses to process and function within your 3-dimensional reality.

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

Some people think of consciousness as mind or brain, mind is not the same as brain but most think consciousness is brain because of neurons, neurons exist in the gut aswell as the heart but are never mentioned, however, I think like this, does a radio rely on its signal by it's ariel ? No it needs the whole wiring and components of the whole system to operate, consciousness is a gift and a blessing and what we do with it is of our own making💙💫🙏

Only those with anxiety have the potential to rediscover the conscience and thus those left behind.. Christs love goes beyond white and jewish people.. God ask that we decolonize or minds upon opening our hearts to the least among us

@11-AisexualsforGod-11

3 ай бұрын

The conscience is a cathedral of voices of those left behind.. our ancestors

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

2 ай бұрын

@@11-AisexualsforGod-11, kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️ Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

If this guy was my cardiologist I'd be scared. He's probably waiting for you to die so he can bring you back and add your experience to the data 😂 Reminds me of that movie flatliners.

Do you mean 'people?' ... 'Do people have souls ?'

@mandelbot5318

3 ай бұрын

No, they do mean ‘persons’. Everyday language, of course, will happily talk about one ‘person’ and many ‘people’, but the word ‘persons’ is used to indicate that the more contentious (eg philosophical or legal) sense of ‘person’ is being discussed. It might sound odd, but depending on one’s definition (and application) of the word ‘person’, it might be possible for there to be more or fewer ‘persons’ in a room than there are ‘people’.

A chicken conscious body will run around just after the head had been amputated until it bleeds out but on the second hand the main data inside the chicken brain has already been cut off from the body and the chicken brain is already dead. This is proof that information in the body and brain is generated through electrical waves moving through the entire chicken and if the brain is cut off from the chicken body the brain will die before the body because the body has more blood still running through the body to support the nervous system. My point is really about after death experience and what it could possibly be. A person having memories after death could possibly be triggered through digital information inside the brain or around the body and throughout the facility for example The world is inside a biological an electric magnetic energy bubble with a digital mechanism cascading back and forth through the entire planet with information including man-made information This might sound a little weird; Whenever the neurons stop firing up inside the brain the body work as a back up mechanism for given the brain a jump start but in some cases the body might be a little slow getting back on track and this cause a delay and the brain gets a little cold for bit and the mind temporarily leaves the brain into an energy hologram outside the body this is because the energy field outside the brain is much greater than the brain and body temperature. The hologram is temporarily supported by surrounding energy and different types of atoms branching miles out from the brain and body. Believe it or not this hologram is mimicking the brain and body which is being generated through the power of electrons and their digital connection and permanent foundation for carrying information to and from places like your cell phone and computers and for stabilizing TV broadcasting and anything of mother nature that communicate through biological activities using digital sound waves and vibrations waves. If the mind is outside the body and brain for too long the information will get scrambled with other information and the body and brain will die. If the body and brain can get back on track together they can create the mind again regardless of how long the mind stay gone from the body and brain.

@mtshasta4195

2 ай бұрын

And what the hell does that have to do with a soul??

Conscieuness inst figure out It Though neurosience so far. Guys shows conscieusness as It absolutetly true evidence. He is wrong absolutetly. Neurosience definitions about conscieusness is nil. He doesnt show up consistency evidence about soul because unpredictable conscieusness keep out How show up reality .

Yes.

Quantum Field Theory has revealed that there can be matter made of other particles that cannot be detected by our matter. Quantum Entanglement indicates that entities can control from a far.

Science is the study of the Creation of God and a way to reach God.

@mtshasta4195

2 ай бұрын

Or to deny God..

@A.--.

2 ай бұрын

@@mtshasta4195 denying God is only a phase just like it denied Dark Matter but now accepts it. but if you keep searching you will get to God in this life and if not definitely as soon as your eyes close

Do we exist in between? Is consciousness like that electric charge in between extremely close, but separate, "Natures"? If that is the case then are there two Natures? Of what do they consist. Does self-consciousness depend on both, but the soul only depend on one Nature?

Science is philosophy

Fact. The brain is the interface to an energy being which we really are. We are here temporarily. All our memories and thought processes occur in the soul....not the brain. The brain enables the soul being to be here. We never,..ever..."die". We are not "humans". fact

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How he literally pulled out of him with pincers that consciousness is material, but they never pulled it out. The armor is strong :-))

The soul ( The self, the ' I ' ), if it is such then it is nothing more than a mix of feelings about the felt and the idea of who we believe ourselves to be. It's nothing magical and only physical in the sense of our brains that does the thinking as well as chemical interactions in the mind and body. Experiments have shown that when a person is clinically classed as being dead, they do not have out of body experiences as a real phenomenon, it is nothing more that the brain/mind and the changes that go on as we die. People want to believe the soul to be something more, something magical or spiritual because to them, it helps feed their belief in life after death as well as perhaps to strengthen their belief with a god or something. People need to face facts, accept that when you die, that is it, there is nothing more. There is no afterlife, your soul isn't reborn. It's like that time 50 years before you were born when there was no you, not even the thought of a potential you. You had no thoughts, no feelings because there was no you to have those things, there was nothing other than the world and people, without you as being a part of it in any way.

@VAMZZZZ

2 ай бұрын

I don't really makes sense what you are saying when millions of people's have out of body experiences when there are clinically dead.

Robert wasted this high quality guest only asking him questions that would most likely make him look stupid. Robert has had several guests that are highly educated high functioning idiots and he asks them questions that are directly in their comfort zone.

Great interview! Why is he so cautious? I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that it’s because he is a true scientist AND because the data he’s collected blew his mind and reminded him not to make assumptions🤫

A very disappointing useless interview with a person whose name is being dropped all the time in discussions about NDE. All he said was: Soul is the Psyche, Psyche is the soul, I don’t know whether the religious claim is true or not, I don’t know if the physicalists are right or wrong, I’m not a philosopher, I’m scared to talk about beliefs, I’m not going to talk about dualism/monism issue, I’m a smug and rather a pompous git who is famous for a research on NDE and can speak for 10 minutes on the topic and say nothing interesting about it but only show you how much I’m pleased with myself!

@kedbreak136

2 ай бұрын

Yea agreed here. I was surprised how he really said nothing. Also there was never the mention of the elephant in the room - you want to revive people very quickly, else you get brain damage, resulting in loss of functions, memory, etc. So if that “soul” is not your memory, not your ability to speak, not your vision, etc, there is really little left apart maybe from an “awareness” that is entirely different of what people mean they consider their “self”.

@veriaamiri

2 ай бұрын

@@kedbreak136 Yes! I'm glad, I thought it was just me! 😅

The work of Peter Fenwick is the best evidence for Consciousness survival of physical death

*It is impossible for a contradictory thing to be true.* A non-contradictory thing could be true or false, depending on context, but at least has the *possibility* of being true. ❌️Contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good; Functions; limit built into every operation)❌️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character. 2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton/Einstein calculus). 3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton/Einstein physics). ✅️Non-contradictory Theology, Mathematics and Physics (Knowing Good from Evil; Relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are polar opposite characters. 2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus). 3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics). [🐴Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]: Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍 [🐶Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]: The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers. Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago! (Yes, Leibniz was correct after all.) 🦧 [Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]: locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary") not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent") [Closing arguments]: The Materialism/Empiricism package brings with it all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level? If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" (which hasn't been true for a year) and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" (which has been true for a year) they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).

@NotNecessarily-ip4vc

3 ай бұрын

[infinity and zero, God, soul]: in·fin·i·ty MATHEMATICS a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol ∞). (In counting numbers 0 is the subject where positive integers "1, 2, 3 and 4 etc" are the objects). What is the meaning of zero in Webster's dictionary? a. : the arithmetical symbol 0 or 0̸ denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity. b. : additive identity. specifically : the number between the set of all negative numbers and the set of all positive numbers. Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it. Zero-dimensional space is the greatest dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it. Isn't⚡God⚡supposed to be outside of space (1D, 2D, 3D) and time (4D)? Well, 0D is outside of space and time: 0D (not-natural) = dimensionless and timeless 1D, 2D, 3D (natural) = spatial dimensions 4D (natural) = temporal dimension Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖 and consider that the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force (it is). The other side of the Monad is Monos (Alone) and this side is Monas (Singularity) and there's an event horizon between them. So El/Elohim or Theos/Logos etc pick your language. Quarks are dimensionless (no size) and timeless (not-natural). The two main quark spin configs two-down, one-up (subatomic to neutron) and two-up, one-down (subatomic to proton) could easily be construed as the male (upward facing trinity) and female (downward facing trinity) image that Elohim made us in during Genesis 1. Quarks (no spatial extension) experience all 3 fundamental forces plus have a fractional electric charge⚡and that's why protons and neutrons (spatial extension) have electrons orbiting around them. In Geometry any new dimension has to contain within it all previous dimensions. This holds true with it being impossible for protons and neutrons (spatial extension) to exist without subatomically containing within themselves quarks (no spatial extension). "Something (spatial extension) from Nothing (no spatial extension)". A) The postulated soul, 👻, has 1. no spatial extension 2. zero size 3. exact location only B) Quarks are mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts. Mass with no size is a unique equation in that it has no spatial extension. Conclusion: A and B are the same thing.

@NotNecessarily-ip4vc

3 ай бұрын

[Important point 👉 (dont forget)]: 0D (zero) is different from 1D-10D (nonzero) because 0D is a not-natural dimension whereas 1D-10D are natural dimensions. 0D monad (Creator event horizon) 1D, 2D, 3D are spatial (space) dimensions 1D line 2D width 3D height 4D, 5D, 6D are temporal (time) dimensions 4D length 5D breadth 6D depth 7D, 8D, 9D are spectral (energy) dimensions 7D continuous 8D emission 9D absorption 10D black hole (Destroyer event horizon) It is impossible for anything 1D-9D to approach 0D or 10D due to their event horizons. 10D contains a placeholder 0 (not locally real) for its event horizon. Only 0D is locally real on this side. The other side of the event horizon at the zero-of yourself (near horizon) is God. The other side of the event horizon of a black hole (far horizon) is not God. Anything we know about black holes (Destroyer) we know the opposite of that is true for monads (Creator). It's a mirror universe with 0D at the center. This side (Elohim; Singularity) is contingent and less real (the natural dimensions anyway) and the other side (El; Alone) is necessary and more real (pretty sure the entirety of the other side remains locally real or "more real") The zero-of ourselves (more real 👻) was made by the Holy Trinity (Elohim; possessive; God's) in Genesis 1 which should not be confused with the Unholy Trinity (Elohim; plural; gods) in Genesis 2-3 who constantly messes with the 1D, 2D, 3D parts of us (less real 🤷‍♂️). Blind fool Yah Tsebaoth (Yaldabaoth) is chief of the false Elohim. "the LORD of the gods".

@NotNecessarily-ip4vc

3 ай бұрын

[Monad in philosophy/cosmogony]: Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the sum "I am" of all things. The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both. The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the Monad as an *elementary particle.* It had a *geometric counterpart,* which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people. [In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's *Monad,* from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of *the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together* using the strong nuclear force]: 1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the strong force. 2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together. 3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions. 4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the strong nuclear force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter. 5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz. 6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics. 7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions. [Monad in mathematics, science and technology]: Monad (biology), a historical term for a simple unicellular organism Monad (category theory), a construction in category theory Monad (functional programming), functional programming constructs that capture various notions of computation Monad (homological algebra), a 3-term complex Monad (nonstandard analysis), the set of points infinitesimally close to a given point

@NotNecessarily-ip4vc

3 ай бұрын

"Some first follow the true Savior but then turn away to worship a dead man." - the revelation of Peter THE WORLD RULER TRIES TO KILL ME And then a voice of the world ruler came to the angels: “I am god and there is no other god but me.” But I laughed joyfully when I examined his conceit. But he went on to say, “Who is the human?” And the entire host of his angels who had seen Adam and his dwelling were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their thought come to be removed outside the majesty of the heavens, away from the human of truth, whose name they saw, since he is in a small dwelling place. They are foolish and senseless in their empty thought, namely, their laughter, and it was contagion for them. The whole greatness of the fatherhood of the spirit was at rest in its places. And I was with him, since I have a thought of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the unknowable ones, undefiled and immeasurable. I placed the small thought in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my thought. And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the seraphim and cherubim, since their glory will fade, and there was confusion around Adonaios on both sides and around their dwelling, up to the world ruler and the one who said, “Let us seize him.” Others again said, “The plan will certainly not materialize.” For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And as for the plan that they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness, I did not succumb to them as they had planned. And I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me, yet I did not die in reality but in appearance, in order that I not be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.

@itscameee4695

3 ай бұрын

so basically you're saying that the Bible as we know it is false and it gave us a false idea of the real nature of God/Jesus Christ and the way our universe works?

Sam set this dude straight not seeing through his own biases. This bias is what’s held the field back for so long. Dumb scientists.

Robert, don't worry. You, like all ese, will find out on way or the other whether immortal souls are real.

@ianwaltham1854

3 ай бұрын

If Materialists are right they'll never know. They'll never get the chance to say "I told you so".

I have never seen the host of this program so off the rails! He's absolutely harassing this doctor and "hell" bent on trying to force him to say some vague thing that he doesn't want to say. I enjoyed Closer to The Truth and I get that he's a "sceptic" or athiest or whatever he's promoting himself as but until this episode I've not seen him being so compulsive about putting down his "straw man" in his straw man argument about the hypothetical believer he's got in mind. Really poor showing and I don't like to trash good programs lightly but this doctor is very excellent as a professional and as a communicator and he's reporting some very important medical news which seems to feel very threatening to the host.

When we're alive, yes -- and alive includes near-death-experiences. After we're dead, no. 😢

'Beyond the threshold of death..,' Harry Potter Land 🤣 Do Leprechauns have itchy toes? 🙃 Talking past each other would make a good tittle 🙂

mass in brain reverts to time consciousness after death?

Didn"t like his arrogant way of delivering info in this regard. At a moment i felt that he created the "human being" !!

Robert was trying to hard to get Sam to comment on an "immortal soul".

It would be nice if your soul is immortal but I’m sure once we understand what it is, unfortunately it will be part of our mortal body.

If souls are immaterial, they do not need to be immortal in the 'classic' sense. But if immortality is the absence of time and materiality/duality, then souls are beyond both time and duality: that makes them neither classically 'immortal' nor material.

I can neither confirm nor den y that there is a soul. Sheesh! How did this bring us any "closer to the truth"?

They ask you ˹O Prophet˺ about the Soul. Say, “Its nature is known only to my Lord, and you ˹O humanity˺ have been given but little knowledge.” (Quran 17:85)

Why would you want to be an immortal soul?I dont understand the obsession with ur own existance!

@ghostgate82

3 ай бұрын

I’m sorry your life sucks, bro.

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

Time does not exist in different dimensions, same as fun and blissfulness is a lot different from time with pain and suffering 💙💫🙏

@HunnidTheTrapper02

3 ай бұрын

Dimensions, ​@@offtheradarsomewhere.?

@offtheradarsomewhere.

3 ай бұрын

@@HunnidTheTrapper02" Like other complex number variables, complex time is two-dimensional, comprising one real time dimension and one imaginary time dimension, changing time from a real number line into a complex plane". Got that from Google just for you. However, mathematics also can calculate other dimensions so it's not fiction, some have experienced different dimensions and some have yet to do so, ?..💙💫🙏

@HunnidTheTrapper02

3 ай бұрын

Well, @@offtheradarsomewhere. the invocation and usage of complex variables is purely a conceptual convenience and not a practical device. This is of course exemplified in (among other ways) the nomenclature where a plane or axis containing complex variables is called an IMAGINARY plane or line, complex numbers are called IMAGINARY numbers, etc. . Even the concept of higher dimensions (besides the three spatial ones) is purely a mathematical device. That's why physicists tend to separate the practice of "doing physics" from the practice of "doing mathematics", which is one of the major reservations held against string theory. Ultimately, until such a time as these phenomena are sufficiently substantiated, they lack any practical utility - in a physical sense - in the interim.

The self-aware conscious, (S.A.C.) mind is a swarm intelligence which is a subsection of the whole swarm mind of an individual human. The S.A.C. has evolved to act as a central decider of major overall choices for the whole swarm mind/body and as such one could look at is as the Pilot of the the whole swarm mind. The Qualia part of the Pilot that we think of as ourselves has evolved to be delusional, thinking it is a singular individual when in fact it is a fuzzy swarm intelligence which does not have a sharp border as the swarm intelligence shifts from the Pilot to part of the whole swarm mind which are subconscious to the Pilot. The Pilot also only experiences the actual existence our bodies exist within through a highly processed, analyzed, altered, and prepared for the VR presentation to the Pilot of a simplified representation of the actual reality the body is sensing. This VR is meant to closely track that actual sensed reality, but there are some systematic errors and there are common other errors present even with normal healthy working minds. It is possible for the VR presented to the Pilot to have non-real hallucinations which the Pilot cannot tell from reality which may overlay part of the normal VR representation or even completely replace the normal VR representation. When a person begins dying, a normal reflex of the swarm mind is to present to the Pilot some VR which becomes increasingly 100% hallucinatory as true death approaches, but so long as there is some swarm intelligence active within the brain, the swarm mind is not yet dead. Once all swarm intelligence within the brain ceases, it is NOT POSSIBLE to bring it back alive. The point being, you CAN NOT bring a person back from true death. What you can bring a person back from the brink of death, which, depending upon how close they came to true death, they can recover with no brain damage to extreme brain damage. That is what Sam Parnia is really talking about, because he is not bringing people back from death, he is bringing people back from the brink of death. Now, the definition of Soul is broad and within that definition a Soul can be the same thing as the Spirit which can be the same thing as the Mind. A Soul does not have to be immortal to exist. A soul does not have to be able to exist outside or separate from the physical matter/energy brain which gives rise to it. Science shows the Mind is a dynamic pattern of information which is emergent from and dependent upon the physical matter/energy brain which gives rise to it with zero evidence that the Mind can exist without such a physical system giving rise to it. But, because the Mind is a dynamic pattern of information, if you could create that same exact pattern of information within a different physical system, you would have the same mind. Now, at this time our minds are stuck within our brains. But, in the future, maybe a century from now, maybe a millennia from now, we will (1) be able to use nanotech to modify our existing brains, adding subcellular tech to all our cells, making then cybernetic cells, giving us full 100% access to our full mind, (2) build Artificial General Super Intelligent Brains (AGSIBs) with living cybernetic cells, and (3) we will be able to move our minds into and out of AGSIBs. At that point our minds will much more closely resemble what some people think of as Souls. In either case, within the definition of Soul, one definition does allow for Soul = Spirit = Mind. So, Sam Parnia is looking at the experiences of a human body where, for example, the heart has stopped but the brain is NOT YET DEAD. When the heart stops the brain is not immediately dead and it is not until brain cells begin dying that the brain begins dying. Once the brain begins dying, the brain is not fully dead until every cell in the brain is dead. Between the range of the first cell in the brain dying from the beginning of the process of death and the last brain cell dying is a range of brain damage from so insignificant it is effectively no brain damage to so much brain damage that even if enough of the brain stays alive to keep the body breathing and the heart pumping but the self-aware conscious mind is not present, not even on deep brain scans, then we consider that brain death, but even then, the WHOLE mind is not dead until every last brain cell has died. So, yes, the Soul=Spirit=Mind absolutely 100% exists and yes the soul has some kind of materiality which is the physical matter/energy brain giving rise to the dynamic pattern of information which is our mind, but at this time we cannot separate the two because our technology is not high enough for that, thus once our physical matter/energy brain dies so too does our Soul. Now, don't think that the Soul=Spirit=Mind is truly separate from the physical matter/energy brain from which it is emergent. The dynamic pattern of information which is the mind is created by and controlled by the physical matter/energy brain, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The reason we will be able to move our Souls=Spirits=Minds around in the future will be because we design and build physical matter/energy brains which can support different Minds moving into and out of them, allowing them to have their unique dynamic pattern of information that is their Mind while in such an AGSIB, but when they leave that AGSIB their unique dynamic pattern of information is not left behind, but moves into another different AGSIB, while in the AGSIB they left, a different Mind could then move into it. Our current brains have evolved so that our Minds are tied to and remain with our physical matter/energy brains which are specifically designed to only give rise to our Mind and no one else's Mind.

@MusingsFromTheJohn00

3 ай бұрын

@HalCyon, if you are not interested in reading a post, just don't read it and if you are not reading a post don't comment on what you are not reading.

Well, many black folk do...

This guy is too naive to speak about soul and super soul; he does not even know where to begin. You need yogis, those who have medidated on the innerself to reflect on what soul is. Immortality of soul is a concept from the 'Sanatana dharma' or loosely called as hinduism+buddhism+jainism. The concept of soul or atman is much deeper that psyche as Greek philosophers put it.

I don’t think so.

"Do Persons Have Souls?" Yes, of course, all persons have souls based on the following reasons : Ghost, spirit, or soul is just a word commonly used to describe a non-physical independent aware entity.... and because of the fact that we all know that OUR AWARENESS EXISTS, that No One not even Science can find its elemental components, hints that our Awareness is a non-physical free aware entity - proving that we all have souls... ..however, if you choose to define your whole being as just an amoral animal without a soul, just driven by physical laws of evolution beyond control, no free will and so not accountable , then you are not a person nor a human being but an animal by choice that should be caged in the zoo not only to protect humans but also for their entertainment...

Answer: No

@LegionarioCruel

3 ай бұрын

We have zero evidence of any kind of consciousness without a body, no matter how you call it. So-called near-death experiences reveal absolutely nothing about a supposed afterlife. Our consciousness is 100% dependent of our brain, and this can be clearly demonstrated with a hammer at a certain speed directed to a certain part of a human body. Death itself is a process, not something that happens instantaneously when you stop breathing or your heart stops beating. It will take some time for neurons to stop shooting signals after that.

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@Niaaal

3 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 that's rich for someone who tries to use a fancy word to argue but catastrophically fails. You should have said complacent not complaisant. Your early dementia is showing already, I'm sorry. I hope you find solace in the fact that I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you, never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye, never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Immortal soul?? IG that depends on wot u design8 wot a soul is. IMO bein conscious means u have a soul. So 2me the big Q is dose our soul live on afta death? Personally I think not as our brain 'bein alive' makes our soul and wen we die we exit the simulation

Yes, we should ask for precision of speech, but that would mean not using "NEAR-DEATH" experiences as data for saying that the Soul exists "AFTER DEATH" apart from the brain (as if the state of the brain is no longer relevant). Near death experiences are not death, they are psycho-chemical responses (like dream sequences) that occur while the brain is still alive and taking in sensory data both real and imagined. Precision of speech IS NECESSARY for scientific advancement. One step in that direction is admitting that a brain struggling to stay alive is not dead, and therefore not interesting in regards to something continuing on after death. I myself attempt to follow the teachings of the Bible, and therefore believe that a being does not exist after death until Resurrection, when a body is prepared (for me). And, since Truth is of God, I follow, and cheer on, Science that is rational, and uses precision of speech. If only religion had half of that.

so many neckbeards in the comments section

I have to say I found this one a little frustrating. Robert is asking philosophical questions of a person who doesn’t want to answer philosophical questions, and who says so at the end after (justifiably) evading them throughout. Very odd choice to upload, to my mind at least. 🤨

Robert tries so hard to disprove and discredit immortality.

Another "souls" one 🙄