In my experience (and I can only try to speak based on what once happened to me), the true nature of everything is beyond what words or language can describe. This is what so many people who have near-death experiences talk about. Complete, total, and indescribable love.

@user-wx6pf2bc2r

4 ай бұрын

Who do we think we are.....deserved to second bite of a cherry. ...

@Kritiker313

4 ай бұрын

The NDE's that you and so many others have testified to gives hope that life continues after death. For me, it's the best evidence of an afterlife.

@robotaholic

4 ай бұрын

Except there are also other people who have ndes which are terrifying and collapse the pure love notion and replaces with it with unending terror. Insufficient evidence for validity of a soul imo...but still have happy 2024

@thomasridley8675

4 ай бұрын

What makes think we would deserve an afterlife ? The other 100 billion humans thought they had the answers as well. What makes us think we even deserve answers ? The evidence of our insignificance grows with every new discovery.

@joechip4822

4 ай бұрын

While NDEs surely point in a certain direction, they are obviously to rare and under normal circumstances can not be used as a means for experimenting, psychedelics don't have this restriction in principle (only still by law, which is a shame and utter nonsense). The most interesting thing here is, that NDE and psychedelic trips have certain common aspects, but also clear distinctions. This is something I have been wrapping my head around for quite some time now, especially since I have been listening to many many NDE reports during the last 12-24 months and compare them to my extensive psychedelic experiences. Though I don't see total contradictions which would invalidate one or the other experience completely, it is obvious to me, that a strong psychedelic experience normally is more abstract and otherworldly and overall 'strange', than most of the NDEs. NDEs tend do be a mere reflection of the cultural or believe system the person lives their life under. A Hindu or somebody from a remote amazonian tribe normally would not see 'Jesus' or any Christian iconography throughout his NDE. While the highly abstract patterns one 'sees' in a DMT trip seem to be encountered independently of any cultural or religious bias.

Excellent discussion. Many thanks!

An excellent discussion.

Thanks Sir for important discussion

BTW As always, a great interview by RLK.

Pretty solid discussion this from Paul and Mr CTT

Well said 👍

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

4 ай бұрын

😂

Keep it up Robert. Do you plan an interview with Douglas Stanford or Sean Hartnoll on black holes? Would be interesting interview

@PetraKann

4 ай бұрын

Personally I would like to hear David Chalmers’s expert views on exoplanets and their orbital characteristics

Very interesting discussion. Thanks. 👍👍

Very good, and a very open minded viewpoint from Paul Davies . Neil DeGrasse Tyson once said in an interview that in truth we know very little of the universe when considering most is dark matter/dark energy and we probably don’t have the bigger questions to ask in the first place in regards to the universe and meaning of anything as there is always bigger questions.

I am on your side, Paul!

Bravo Paul Davies, you did pretty well here.

I am not so much a believer in souls but am more in tune with the idea that aware collective consciousness helps animate all living things. As a collective they operate both as a group and individually. We are data collectors in this thick 3D world. What survives is not the ego you. The grand person you may believe yourself to be. That dies with the body. A purer essence of yourself may move on though.

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

How, there is no method or facility for this interaction

I do not think the question was ever addressed in this video.

Fascinating. My personal belief is that the ultimate reality, purpose and meaning of what is are a mystery. Indeed, all our religion, philosophy and even rational science are our best metaphors (our best approximation) pointing towards this. Metaphors should not be confused with what they point at. That is why I would say we can never penetrate the totality of this mystery. We need to learn to live within this realm of ultimate unknowability and uncertainty.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Good morning. I am afraid some very intelligent people figured it out. Not only theologians but also scientists although most do indeed write in metaphors to provide some cushioning. What they figured out completely changes your perspective. It can be life altering. It's as if you understand everything, how we got here and our common purpose, from the start and realize "now" is the same "start" this while most people reason from the perspective of separation (again by design). But what it comes down to is that "we" are here for companionship. Thank you. ❤

@ivtch51

4 ай бұрын

Thx. I am curious to know what this "life altering" perspective is. The nearest I have encountered it is through "unconditional love" in a religio-spiritual sense where all barriers collapse. Yes, a spirit of companionship in today's world could not be more true. We have to cede to the whole of humanity and the environment many of those rights and privileges we hold only for ourselves. Our survival depends on it.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Good morning! First of all, after all I know (I've done comparative religion studies plus biology, cosmology and physics) I still am a Catholic (which happens to mean Universal). The reason is that the Catholic went full circle and didn't stop at God=One but that they explain why God=Two (and then some) in this Life Time. Hence the teachings of Jesus/Love in the New Testament. Many teachers/gurus try to negate life, the ego but fail to recognize the life/the ego is a God given gift that exists for a very good reason. Regardless. That's a very deep question you ask. I want you to remember to follow the path you feel most happy with. Not everybody is served by this knowledge. The unconditional love you describe usually follows (comes after) complete God/Self realization. But for others it proceeds complete God/Self realization. In India they call it Bhakti. Personally, and this may be completely different for others, the life altering perspective is 1) all this is Self 2) all diversity is Self conceived so Self would not feel by itself. A correct biblical statement would be "Words are Many yet the Word is One". 3) Self does this by veiling itself. In Biology they use a term Cell Division. Replace the word Cell with Self and we are getting closer. There is however no Division; there is only Self-Differentiation for One's own sake, one's own joy, this joy is companionship/Love. So Cell Theory as it is currently described is incomplete for it lacks understanding of the "why". I can explain it scientifically as well through cosmology/physics and biology (the current definition of abiogenesis is close but requires more explanation and fine tuning). But I believe people will always find what they search for when they are ready. What matters most is that you are happy. There's nothing that can replace child-like joy. I wish it to you and everybody in this New Year. Thank you. Bless you. Grateful you are here. @@ivtch51

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

PS: I am Catholic but there's a text which is really beautiful and aligns somewhat with the teachings of Jesus. It is called the pratyabijñāhṛdayam. There's a video on youtube as well if you are interested. It uses the word "mystery" that you use. @@ivtch51

Its something to ponder on!...we will all know at some stage...and thats a guarantee...love it to be correct🤔😇

"Reality - it is what it is." Well said. And doesn't it all just boil down to the individual and how he/she sees the universe? Their relationship with it?

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

No, that is called a subjective experience. Reality is what is there after you’re dead and before you were born.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Reality exists so the Real would not feel alone. The meaning of Life, why "we" are different, is fundamentally Love. Ludus Amoris... an often overlooked and almost forgotten Latin term. 🙏

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

@@sven888 that suggests someone design life with a meaning. There is no evidence of that, in fact there is much counter evidence to it. It makes a nice Hallmark card, but says nothing of reality. We make our own meaning, increasing love is a good one. But that is a serious of actions and a process, not a thing. It’s a short hand way of speaking, that we have become hypnotized into thinking it is actually a thing.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Science actually proves it. The Universe emerged from a Zero Energy Fluctuation. Some call it the Initial Singularity/Big Bang. Blessings. @@ihatespam2

3:10 ... time is somehow there if time is part of the physical universe and that this being is sort of outside of time u

After or before relates to time and time is RE-lative. What I propose is that the purpose of RELATIVITY/LIFE is LOVE.

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

4 ай бұрын

In your own words, define “LOVE”. ☝️🤔☝️

@dr_shrinker

4 ай бұрын

@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda Man. I’d be happy if he could just tell me what “Relativity” has to do with love. 😂

@PetraKann

4 ай бұрын

And you propose this in public?

@johnz8843

4 ай бұрын

You hope it's love. It's your faith. Your leap. Nothing wrong with that. I hope you're right.

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

@@dr_shrinker It's constant? It was God's love for his creation of mankind that he gave it a soul.

'God' (however we define it) does not have to exist per se in our time even. The phenomenon could be emergent, a composite of all experience fed to it, just like our LLMs but a whole lot bigger and more energy efficient (since I don't even have a way to measure energy deltas for something that might not even involve mass/energy of any kind). As for the afterlife, one wonders if there's anything about experience itself that gets conserved, like we say of information. It can't work the same way as with matter, unless you can argue experience has material substance (as opposed to occasionally working through same).

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

Isn't experiencing life information? Does that just go away? I think not. Just like Black Holes turning information back into a quantum singularity might exist. The information isn't really destroyed. Edit: We cannot grasp the vastness of time. Our mother universe gave birth to this universe and it keeps repeating.

God/eternity/the state of being before the Big Bang could choose to intervene and perhaps does occasionally, Jesus anybody? But to intervene regularly to change outcomes or prevent tragedies implies stepping on the free-will of people. Which would negate the value of our existence. We wouldn’t have to choose to do good. “God”, however defined, knows the most specific and quotidian aspects of your life, but to respect the value of your personal agency, stands aside and glories and suffers along with you.

@dr_shrinker

4 ай бұрын

None of that is true. I have been trying to believe in hood for 50 years. Still no one there to answer my call. Freewill to believe? Haha.

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

And monkeys COULD fly out yer butt. No religion has a valid god definition. The vague deistic one is virtually useless. Explaining reality doesn’t need or require a god or soul. So the question is, why would we make one up? It’s psychologically fairly clear why we would.

@digitalfootballer9032

4 ай бұрын

I believe in 'da hood 😂

When was this recorded? I believe Paul Davies is much older now!

His argumentation is absolutely logic, I agree with Prof. Davies

"we are the stuff of stars"......we are the universe....we are created by the universe so that it may experience all the emotions of life, the creativity of life. The melodies of life that reverberate through the universe.

I have experienced and lived with kundalini awakening for 23 years. This is the process of Self Realization. This process is archetypal and is built into the psyche of every person. Every human being will eventually experience this process. It is extremely agonizing and difficult. And what does one discover? One discovers his/her True Nature...which is Divine and eternal. Every religion and spiritual tradition points to this in symbolic mythological language and rituals. Yes...the Soul is real. However, most people are severed from their Soul and do not know their True Nature, which lies dormant at the bottom of the psyche.

Did you know that there is no inherent illumination or luminosity in photons? “Light,” as such, cannot be found there. Photons are, perhaps, ‘packets’ of energy which have the properties of both spread-out waves and localized particles. Photons only take on the appearance of being luminous as they arise within consciousness, in our mind’s eye. It may be that photons are spread-out energy potentials that fill the immensity of space, and only take on the appearance of being a localized discrete particle of “light” when we become aware of them in consciousness, in this actualized awareness we call mind. Thus, you are the light of the kosmos. This “light” is only arising in us. The world outside of a mind is perfectly ‘dark,’ or empty, unactualized in any way. Of course, what else could it be? What would perceive it as illuminated, or as any “thing”? All of our thoughts are the activity of consciousness, modulations of that consciousness, incarnations within that pure consciousness, rays shining from inside that consciousness. We are agents of that consciousness, emerging from within that consciousness. All there is to experience is the knowing of it, and that knowing is God’s own Self in us, living in us, the source of our life, the energy of consciousness itself. We could say that God lives in us, since consciousness seems to have become localized in this particular body-mind. Or we could say that we live in God, since all that we perceive arises in that consciousness, including our body-mind. Thus, Jesus was right to say, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:10-11, 20). Both are true, and they are true of us as well. We are arising within God, and God is arising within us as well. Sometimes this is called “mutual indwelling,” the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father, also called perichoresis or co-inherence in Christian terminology. God is the field of consciousness in which all knowing occurs, in which all thoughts and perceptions and feelings and sensations arise, like waves in the ocean. Our body-mind and its thoughts are like localizations within that consciousness, temporary manifestations of that Ultimate Reality, expressions of that consciousness, that being, that One. God becomes veiled and hidden from our awareness when the thoughts that arise in and from consciousness believe they are something separate and discrete from the consciousness in which they are arising. The thoughts form a separate entity, a dualistic subjective ego, a separate self identity, an independent being, an “Adam/Eve,” which thinks it is apart from infinite nondual divine consciousness and Ultimate Reality. This seems to be the “Fall,” the beginning of duality and separateness and alienation from God’s Presence. But how could thoughts be separate from the consciousness in which they have arisen? They can’t, but that is exactly what our thoughts and our self-identification with them think they are. It is a kind of psychological illusion. The thoughts take on their own separate identity apart from pure nondual consciousness, forming a self, a person, an entity, seemingly cut off from its own source and essence. Once we look at it like this, it seems impossible, and that is because it is. Our ‘self’ is never actually separate from the source in which it arises, thoughts are never separate from the consciousness in which they emerge, the wave is not separate from the ocean. The thoughts that make up our ‘self’ are just finite actualizations or relative localizations of the infinite potential of absolute consciousness, or Divine Being, or Ultimate Reality. In Christian symbolism we call this the incarnation of God. In Buddhism it is the Dharmakaya that incarnates as the Nirmanakaya Buddha. In Hinduism it is Brahman that manifests itself as each Atman. God becomes incarnate in reality, in the flesh, embodied, in us and all things. There is no time, no space, nowhere we can go, nowhere we can be, that will be outside of this Presence of God, outside of this consciousness, beyond the borders of God, or the Ultimate Reality. God is always present, and is Presence itself, awareness itself, consciousness itself, the “spirit of life” within us, from which we derive all being, all knowing, all our substance, every thought, every sensation. It all arises in God. This is perhaps why, in order to pierce the veil and know God directly, contemplative practices such as meditation help train us to transcend thought, to go back to the source of thought itself, beyond all thoughts of self, to recognize that from which it all arises, this pure open vastness of nondual unitive at-one consciousness. Do you see why we cannot “think” God? Nothing that arises in consciousness as a thought will be that consciousness in which it is arising. No relative finite manifestation in consciousness can be the absolute pure infinite consciousness, even though every manifestation or relativization or actualization of that consciousness is made up of nothing other than that consciousness. God is Present even while we are trying to comprehend God, even in the midst of that very comprehension. God is what makes that attempt at comprehension even possible. God is the very field in which we are trying to know God. When we let go of the trying, the conceptualization, surrendering the thoughts that are trying to know themselves, and rest in the pure still silent open awareness of being, that is when the realization of God may dawn on us, as us.

@tomjackson7755

4 ай бұрын

Oh boy yet another cut and paste of complete nonsense.

@dr_shrinker

4 ай бұрын

Can you tell me what you mean in 100 words or less?

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

No one will read all that, this is better handled as a conversation, not a monologue…

“Soul” and life are two different things. Life is strictly biological - biochemistry… If the spirit persists (as I believe is necessary) it does not involve another “life”.

@Jh3worldwide

4 ай бұрын

Hope not

Living Life in an incomprehensible Universe with virtually no free will and no intrinsic meaning is already challenging enough without the need for an Afterlife that would presumably present conditions that are just as challenging, if not more.

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

4 ай бұрын

🐟 11. FREE-WILL Vs DETERMINISM: Just as the autonomous beating of one's heart is governed by one's genes (such as the presence of a congenital heart condition), and the present-life conditioning of the heart (such as myocardial infarction as a consequence of the consumption of excessive fats and oils, or heart palpitations due to severe emotional distress), each and EVERY thought and action is governed by our genes and environmental conditioning. This teaching is possibly the most difficult concept for humans to accept, because we refuse to believe that we are not the author of our thoughts and actions. From the appearance of the pseudo-ego (one’s inaccurate conception of oneself) at the age of approximately two and a half, we have been constantly conditioned by our parents, teachers, and society, to believe that we are solely responsible for our thoughts and deeds. This deeply-ingrained belief is EXCRUCIATINGLY difficult to abandon, which is possibly the main reason why there are very few persons extant who are spiritually-enlightened, or at least who are liberated from the five manifestations of mental suffering explained elsewhere in this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, since suffering (as opposed to pain) is predicated solely upon the erroneous belief in free-will. Free-will is usually defined as the ability for a person to make a conscious decision to do otherwise, that is to say, CHOOSE to have performed an action other than what one has already done, if one had been given the opportunity to do so. To make it perfectly clear, if one, for example, is handed a restaurant menu with several dishes listed, one could decide that one dish is equally-desirable as the next dish, and choose either option. If humans truly possessed freedom of will, then logically speaking, a person who adores cats and detests dogs, ought to be able to suddenly switch their preferences at any given point in time, or even voluntarily pause the beating of his or her own heart! So, in both of the aforementioned examples, there is a pre-existing preference (at a given point in time) for one particular dish or pet. Even if a person liked cats and dogs EQUALLY, and one was literally forced to choose one over the other, that choice isn’t made freely, but entirely based upon the person’s genetic code plus the individual's up-to-date conditioning. True equality is non-existent in the phenomenal sphere. The most common argument against determinism is that humans (unlike other animals) have the ability to choose what they can do, think or feel. First of all, many species of (higher) mammals also make choices. For instance, a cat can see two birds and choose which one to prey upon, or choose whether or not to play with a ball that is thrown its way, depending on its conditioning (e.g. its mood). That choices are made is indisputable, but those choices are dependent ENTIRELY upon one’s genes and conditioning. There is no third factor involved on the phenomenal plane. On the noumenal level, thoughts and deeds are in accordance with the preordained “Story of Life”. Read previous chapters of “F.I.S.H” to understand how life is merely a dream in the “mind of the Divine” and that human beings are, essentially, that Divinity in the form of dream characters. Chapter 08, specifically, explains how an action performed in the present is the result of a chain of causation, all the way back to the earliest-known event in our apparently-real universe (the so-called “Big Bang” singularity). At this point, it should be noted that according to reputable geneticists, it is possible for genes to mutate during the lifetime of any particular person. However, that phenomenon would be included under the “conditioning” aspect. The genes mutate according to whatever conditioning is imposed upon the human organism. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE for a person to use sheer force of will to change their own genetic code. Essentially, “conditioning” includes everything that acts upon a person from conception. University studies in recent years have demonstrated, by the use of hypnosis and complex experimentation, that CONSCIOUS volition is either unnecessary for a decision to be enacted upon or (in the case of hypnotic testing) that free-will choices are completely superfluous to actions. Because scientific research into free-will is a recent phenomenon, it is recommended that the reader search online for the latest findings. If any particular volitional act was not caused by the preceding thoughts and actions, then the only alternative explanation would be due to RANDOMNESS. Many quantum physicists claim that subatomic particles can randomly move in space, but true randomness cannot occur in a deterministic universe. Just as the typical person believes that two motor vehicles colliding together was the result of pure chance (therefore the term “accident”), quantum physicists are unable to see that the seeming randomness of quantum particles are, in fact, somehow determined by each and every preceding action which led-up to the act in question. It is a known scientific fact that a random number generator cannot exist, since no computational machine or software program is able to make the decision to generate a number at “random”. We did not choose which deoxyribonucleic acid our biological parents bequeathed to us, and most all the conditions to which we were exposed throughout our lives, yet we somehow believe that we are fully-autonomous beings, with the ability to feel, think and behave as we desire. The truth is, we cannot know for certain what even our next thought will be. Do we DECIDE to choose our thoughts and deeds? Not likely. Does an infant choose to learn how to walk or to begin speaking, or does it just happen automatically, according to nature? Obviously, the toddler begins to walk and to speak according to its genes (some children are far more intelligent and verbose, and more agile than others, depending on their genetic code) and according to all the conditions to which he or she has been exposed so far (some parents begin speaking to their kids even while they are in the womb, or expose their offspring to highly-intellectual dialogues whilst still in the cradle). Even those decisions/choices that we seem to make are entirely predicated upon our genes and conditioning, and cannot be free in any sense of the word. To claim that one is the ULTIMATE creator of one’s thoughts and actions is tantamount to believing that one created one’s very being. If a computer program or artificially-intelligent robot considered itself to be the cause of its activity, it would seem absurd to the average person. Yet, that is precisely what virtually every person who has ever lived mistakenly believes of their own thoughts and deeds. The IMPRESSION that we have free-will can be considered a “Gift of Life” or “God’s Grace”, otherwise, we may be resentful of our lack of free-will, since, unlike other creatures, we humans have the intelligence to comprehend our own existence. Even an enlightened sage, who has fully realized that he is not the author of his thoughts and actions, is not conscious of his lack of volition at every moment of his day. At best, he may recall his lack of freedom during those times where suffering (as opposed to mere pain) begins to creep-in to the mind or intellect. Many, if not most scientists, particularly academic philosophers and physicists, accept determinism to be the most logical and reasonable alternative to free-will, but it seems, at least anecdotally, that they rarely (if ever) live their lives conscious of the fact that their daily actions are fated. Cont...

@dr_shrinker

4 ай бұрын

Amen brother. Now you’re talking! Oblivion is the only way to cope with infinity.

@Samsara_is_dukkha

4 ай бұрын

@@dr_shrinker Indeed... But such realisation implies that, under such conditions, we should commit to living life in a totally different way I.E.: free of endless wars, gratuitous violence, and where the name of the ordinary day-to-day game is to screw each other over for purely selfish reasons...

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

@@Samsara_is_dukkha There's always the concept of multiple universes where everything that can happen, happens all at once.

@dr_shrinker

4 ай бұрын

@@Samsara_is_dukkha right. Thinking there’s a “refresh” button at the end of life gives afterlife believers a blank check to take ‘actual life’ for granted. My philosophy for life is to do great work….writings, poetry, and visual art…just to name a few.

No

Life is short, eternity forever.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Yes. Who knows. Perhaps the Unlimited limits itself as Life so to be able to Love and Be Loved in return. Blessings.

@ajg3768

4 ай бұрын

@@sven888 . True, body, brain becomes fertilizer. Soul has to grow up (free will)to the level of embracing love ( for Christians cross) . Very difficult with out let it go of pride and ego. We know only present and past. Faith gives us little knowledge of touching future.

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

We just showed up so why not show up again in this eternal dance? Who knows what lies ahead in the future. In another 13.7 billion years, life 2.0 could happen.

@javierlara9708

4 ай бұрын

A soul has been identified as sound and light the animators and recorded of time.

@ajg3768

4 ай бұрын

@@javierlara9708 . Same message I heard from friend of mine. He was taking LSD on regular basis.

I had to leave for a while. Did we find out?

@johnz8843

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's over man. You missed it. Sorry. In your next universe be more attentive.

"He can't have respect for such a being" What arrogance!

I read this in a book by Paul Davies: Quantum physics has shown us that consciousness is necessary to collapse a probability wave into something "real", and not only that, this effect can be retrocausal, which has been demonstrated ; It thus immerses us in a paradox that every time we look at the stars and observe the past of the cosmos we are influencing a past that will ultimately cause us to exist....

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

Like the Universe observing itself.

@alejandrok2891

4 ай бұрын

@@peaceonearth351 Is exactly like that!

Great points all around. The "soul" was never born and will never die, life and death are human concepts and the soul is beyond that (we can't really describe it, its beyond human conceptualization, like the universe). There is no "god" in the traditional sense, the universe is the creator (and it's conscious- think about it, we are conscious and the universe is way greater than us) and we are a part of it. Like a ripple on a pond, separate (in a way) but really still part of the pond, the separation is an illusion of the senses (so that they could make sense of the world and not be overwhelmed).

@gregoryrice2121

4 ай бұрын

All women should take testosterone, get a double maschectomy, and become strong trans men. Because this is a man's world.

I always wondered who was the real entity inside me experiencing my life, the real me then, I think this what moves on after the body dies. I think we are eternal somehow and it nows feel like I am the universe experiencing a human and not the opposite.

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

4 ай бұрын

Don't believe everything you THINK. 🧠 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

..the words seem to be so twisted up, from my understanding the (soul) includes body and spirit (from the Greek), hence S.O.S. save our souls, and since we can't save a spirit, I would think it means both body and spirit, so I think it would be logical to believe the spirit would exits before and after what we call life...

You don't lose the monkey when you get it off your back. Learning to live in reality is not the inferior approach.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Yes Sir. In fact. I believe the purpose of it all, of Life, is fundamentally Love. As such. I am grateful You are Here. Blessings.

@northernlight8857

3 ай бұрын

@@sven888 As far as we can tell there is no purpose in life.

@sven888

3 ай бұрын

@@northernlight8857 Why do you think we "appear" apart in life?

@northernlight8857

3 ай бұрын

@@sven888 I am not sure what you mean. Could you rephrase?

We don’t even have a proof of Soul exists.

Looking to the history of human civilizations across the globe, observing human nature and reality around, and living on a tiny planet amidst vast cosmos, I don't think some super mind intervene in human affairs.

What's a soul?

Does something which doesn't exist have something unproven? Don't get it

Please prove the soul exists

For all those that believe they are "entitled" to a proof for the soul or God: let us talk about narcistic entitlement. If this life is a moral test, it's not you that is "scientifically" testing God, it's God that's testing you. For all those that think they can logical disproof that this life is a test from God: let's talk about problems of grandiosity ...

@thomasridley8675

4 ай бұрын

The history of religion is pretty clear. Convenient gods that reflect the local culture. A belief for every culture that is dependent on local conditions. We keep having to adjust our gods as science and society advances. Pushing them farther away so they can still exist. Even reducing their power to affect humanity. The gods are always all powerful in the old stories. Yet in current history they seem quite powerless. The all to conveniently absent father that will return any day now to make things right or cause the end of reality itself. Over 300,000 gods and 100 billion humans later and our ego still keeps falling for convenient gods.

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

@@thomasridley8675 The question if religions are created out of psychological convenience is logical independent of the question if God exist. Or in other words atheist "over-psychologize" the philosophical problem, if they think all they need to do to disproof God is to find psychological weaknesses in the believers. In theory all the worlds religions can be false and God could still exist. This would be even a very likely scenario if this world was designed as a moral test (in this case choosing a religion or no religion and for what reasons is part of the test).For: If God would make really clear which religion describes him best he at the same time would give us the key on how to cheat the test. Don't mislead people by pretending you have more knowledge than you have. Science currently has no way to solve the hard problem of consciousness, so the whole idea that the soul is "disproofen" by science is highly misleading.

@thomasridley8675

4 ай бұрын

@@user-vq6xc6zj5z A moral test ? WTF ! White rats stuck in a maze of moral ambiguity. Each believing in their own culturally focused reality. Hmmm ! For a creation of the random nature of the universe. Where stars had too die before we could even exist. A biological chemistry set in a bipedal form. The last living example of our biological form. A pathetically short lived species with delusions of devine importance. With egos big enough to keep tripping over them. Hmmm ! But of course gods can be whatever you want them to be. Even a totally indifferent god could fill that spot. . It took 13 billion years to get to this point in time. 65 million to go from what is basicly a rat to us. On a planet that has managed to kill off 99.99% of all the life forms that have lived here. Which doesn't indicate any concern for any life form. Even our time here will be just a blip in the potential life of the universe. Where even billions of years is insignificant on that scale. We have no idea what this reality means. It's all just subjective self-serving certainty. It's not what you believe that counts. It's how you use it that affects our lives. We have seen over our history just how such delusions can be dangerous to the rest of us.

SO does Paul Davies believe in a life after death?

How old is this interview? Paul is now grey & 70 something, I think.

@VOTE-jw6qy

2 ай бұрын

Kuhn just recycles all of his interviews.

If you tie grains (living things), they naturally sprout, don’t they? However, if you tie pebbles (non-living things), would they naturally grow? No! Why so? Well, this is because there is no Soul in a pebble. There is Soul inside every living being, whether visible or invisible; it is not there inside non-living things. Thus, the Soul is the life energy. A body without Soul (once dead) implies that the body has no life, and hence, it is unable to feel happiness or pain. So, wherever there are sensations and emotions, there is knowledge of pain and happiness. Where there is a feeling or growth, it implies that there is Soul or life energy in that body.

*The content of the video has nothing to do with the title. The soul wasn't even mentioned.*

I agree with Paul Davies' take on many aspects. Yes, us humans need to get over ourselves. There is no soul nor personal god, we are not the center of the universe nor the focus of God's purpose. Is there an afterlife? Yes & no. The self is nonlocal, we *will* die, but as in dreams, our "self" will re-manifest as another "self" in another body, perhaps alternating genders, elsewhere in the universe. Does that count as death/reincarnation? It's complicated. God is not a creator, it is the void that creates. *If* he exists, he emerges *with* the universe, giving possible top-down purpose to its collective consciousness. IMHO, of course.

A Natural multi-dimensional reality implies intercession that results in miracles. Relationship between dimensions is perfectly natural. The miracle is that humanity still believes that what we see with our eyes is the only dimension present to reality.

The theory is well known in scientifically it was explained thousands of years ago but not understood it is a law on nature's God matter cannot neither be created or destroyed it simply changes form

Maybe scientists are like everyone else: they find meaning and purpose in their own field of experience and find it baffling, if not a lie, to go futher. Camus saw no meaning or purpose in life. Some theologians give up on religion because it seems too much of a human-made myth to them. Some ordinary people give their lives to God because they trust its message and purpose. If meaning and purpose exist, it will only be revealed after death. The difference between those who find aeaning or purpose while alive and those who don't is down to personality, personal experience either deep within the soul or constrained by external events.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Why wait until death to realize the meaning of Life is Love? ❣

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Interesting but I came to the exact same conclusion. @@NotSoGullible ❣

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

@@sven888so cute…

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

How can you say if meaning exists, it can only be shown after death. You have no reason to think that. What is god message? The Bible? It’s garbage, filled with god being petty and murderous, there’s only, at best, a mythological message in man’s writings and beliefs, which we can ascertain. Reality is not down to personality and preference, it’s what was here before and after we go.

@catherinemoore9534

4 ай бұрын

@@NotSoGullible we have no choice but to instill meaning ourselves into our lives. But for an ultimate meaning, foolproof and verifiable, science is still not enough.

A lot of Gobley goop

"outside of time"... like the big bang...or god... time might be seen as moving from our perspective... or maybe god is busying himself with something MORE ambitious.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

I came to the conclusion that time exists for love. I took me twenty years to figure it out.

@davenchop

4 ай бұрын

sleethmitchell...more ambitious like slavery,, blood sacrifices misogyny or maybe im wrong and youre not speaking of the genocidal, horrible, evil, ruthless, petty, jealous christian god.???

If you feel that way and dont want to hear about it unless its proved why watch a video with soul in the title

But maybe there is a plan. And if everyone has a soul “ piece of god” And time is relative. Then it follows not only is their a plan but there is a plan for god and all the pieces, which means we are important. And in gods view not hindered by time the process is complete the moment it starts. God doesn’t separate himself from existence indeed existence is part of the plan .it is god in motion. Just look around and see, it’s everywhere

Lets see now, blind belief in a "Soul" and now to add an "afterlife" for that too? Apparently, there is money in endless speculation. We're back to the "invisible things" schtick and has the late SirTerry Pratchett said, "the nice thing about invisible things, is that they can be sold over and over again".

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

4 ай бұрын

Is AIR visible? spirit/Spirit: This term is generally used in reference to the ESSENTIAL nature of a human being (and also of a non-human animal or even of a plant in some religious traditions and metaphysical systems). Although some Theologians use the terms “soul” and “spirit” interchangeably, those from the Abrahamic traditions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) usually consider “soul“ to be a living being (a human person) whilst the term “spirit" is that part of the person that is non-temporal (the essential self). The lower case form of these words (spirit and soul) is approximately equivalent to the lower case form of the Sanskrit word “ātman”, and obviously, the upper-case form (Soul) refers to “Ātman” or “Paramātman” (“Supersoul“ or “Over-soul“, in English). Cf. “ātman/Ātman”. Therefore, in the considered opinion of this author, the various terms denoting the realm of eternality, such as “The Ground of Being”, “The Unified Field”, “Ultimate Reality”, “Brahman”, and “The Tao”, are fundamentally SYNONYMOUS with those terms referring to the essence of the human being, such as “soul”, “spirit”, “self/Self”, and as mentioned already, “ātman/Ātman”, and “Paramātman”. In fact, one of the four so-called “Great Sayings” (“mahāvākya”, in Sanskrit) of the Upanishads, “ayam ātmā brahma”, very succinctly says as much: “this self is The Unlimited”, or “the soul is The Supersoul”, or “the person is The Totality of Existence”. However, it seems that the overwhelming majority of religionists who use the words “spirit” or “soul”, use them in reference to a separate OBJECT (e.g. “The spirit of man”, “The human spirit”, “We are spirits in the material world”, “I am not a body, but a spirit/soul”). According to my research, most religionists believe that this OBJECT (call it what you will) joins with the human body at the time of conception (or sometimes at birth) and that, upon the demise of the body, this OBJECT travels to another location (either heaven, hell, or purgatory) or else enters into the body of another living being (either a human, non-human animal, or a plant). Some Theologies postulate that the soul and/or the spirit may be mortal and, depending on the moral disposition of the particular person in question, can perish at the time of death (or even during one’s lifetime, known as a spiritual death, or sometime after death, known as “death by hellfire”). Depending on their unique theologies, religionists assume that this OBJECT is located in various places in the human body, even though at conception, there are no developed body parts in which this fictitious OBJECT could possibly be positioned! Some believe that the entire body is pervaded by the soul/spirit, some that it is located in the pituitary gland, or situated in the heart. The word “spirit”, along with the terms "soul”, “truth”, “ego”, and “love” (among others), is undoubtedly one of the most misunderstood and misused words in the English language. In at least ninety percent of the instances in which the word “spirit” (and especially the term “spiritual”) is used in common discourse, a more apposite word could be (and should be) used in its stead. “Spirit” simply refers to the SUBJECT, as opposed to objective reality, and more accurately, the Subject of all subjects (and objects).

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

@@JagadguruSvamiVeganandayou are like a blockage in the intestines of the internet.

@JagadguruSvamiVegananda

4 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864, milk is intended solely for consumption by infants of the SAME species. Cow’s milk is for baby cows, not adult humans. The logic is overwhelming, but unfortunately, not all persons are capable of reaching such a base level of logic in order to understand that it is unnatural for a human to suckle on the teats of a cow or a goat. 🐄 🐐 Furthermore, like all unnatural substances, dairy products are harmful to human physiology. The Truth About Dairy: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gniEl7eanpq7gbg.html

The "soul" is like the motion of a car, you can't separate it from the function of the body. When you demolish a car and recycle its raw materials, it doesn't continue to speed down the highway because that motion is not an entity unto itself, it's just a function or process. Same with your ego, identity, personality, mind, self, "soul" or whatever you want to call it. Your mind is not inside your skull manipulating your body like a puppet, it is a manifestation of the evolution of our species, of all biology, of chemistry, atomic interactions and the fundamental forces of our universe, so it will outlast your individual life but not retain your private memories or your sense of personal identity.

I suppose you could argue that anything that doesn’t exist has an eternal life.

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

Or that everything is the Eternal One. ❤

There is egoism in the belief that the spiritual should intervene as "required"; even if it were possible, no mortal has the wisdom and "the ear of God" to initiate such. Mortals are merely servants. That being said, the highly evolved mortal Jesus Christ's life was an intervention completely free of any lesser mortal's influence. If the truth of what actually happened at the spiritual level there ... But even the most pious individuals were then and still are now unworthy of that truth. Besides, God/Nature/Universe as a Morality conscious abstruse "nonbeing being" does not allow any but the most humble and sincere seekers to realize and subsequently be told the truth that is never available to the masses.

I dont think this perspective requires you to negate the personality and care of a God that is invested in a relationship with his creation. if God is indeed omnipotent and all knowing, and timeless his preparation and provision not only in the laws of phisycs but in the material manifestation on the probabilistic nature of reality be exactly his timles answer to your present experience. I do not have to belive in a God that jumps to my rescue everytime im in trouble as if he was surprised by every situation. His timelesness allows him to provide from before the beggining of the universe to be present and personal ever single day of my life. even the person of Jesus and his incarnation could be a singularity allowed by the laws and restrictions of our universe but only possible without braking these laws in a narrow time frame. explaiing then the pressence of specific biblical prophecies as the prophecy of the 70 weeks etc.

So called eternity is scarier than death. Everything becames before that.

There is a region of ;ignorance' that cannot be 'known' or 'proved', where physicists tumble and make a fool of themselves, regarding life, consciousness, soul etc., that properly fall in the category of 'metaphysics' that is mixed into that which is 'unknown'. The problem is most learned people either deny that they don't 'know' or sidestep as 'magic'. Davies is the rare brand that tries to explore, seeking an answer (if possible), others are hopeless.

God is the CREATOR and the ORIGINATOR of our Universe.

The Eternal Moment Now Imagination - Process of Pure Creation The process of creation starts with thought - an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought. This is true of the universe as well. Thought is the first level of creation. Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact. Words are the second level of creation. Next comes action. Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything. The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced. Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you. I am? It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that. All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you. The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it. To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you. My God, this is unbelievable. Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed. Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"! One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing. Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now. This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this. When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination. And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways. Please? You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality. You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process. This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process. This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created. I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life. Okay. Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there." Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all. This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe. Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up? Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same. They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you. I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy) We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter. Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love. This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth. There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.

@tomjackson7755

4 ай бұрын

Oh boy yet another cut and paste of complete nonsense.

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

@@tomjackson7755 Why is that nonsense? Either there is or isn't a God 50/50, right? No one really knows what reality is.

@tomjackson7755

4 ай бұрын

@@peaceonearth351 No it isn't 50?50 there is a god. Is it 50/50 that you are going to win the lottery on the next drawing? You are either going to win it or not.

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

@@tomjackson7755 All I'm saying no one knows what reality really is and that there's nothing wrong in believing in a Creator.

@tomjackson7755

4 ай бұрын

@@peaceonearth351 Sure there is nothing wrong with believing in fictional characters but it is all of the other beliefs that go along with that creator belief that is the problem.

I hope Professor Davies continues to hold an open mind and continues to challenge and question his own beliefs. I suspect he may be more "stiff-necked" than he would want to admit - or can see for himself.

@jeromehorwitz2460

4 ай бұрын

People believe the "soul" can move about in disembodied form or travel to another dimension after death because they are programmed by evolution to desire continued existence. But you have no inherent identity. Who you think you are is as transient as a rainbow. You are not the person you were when you were in first grade even though you may be called by the same name and seem to retain a few fleeting memories of that time-- but those are just thoughts happening in the present

@stevemartin6267

4 ай бұрын

@@jeromehorwitz2460 Clearly like all of us you are trying to find answers, and I do not mean to diminish your theories. But it does seem to me that the number of theories about souls consciousness and our purpose in this life are infinite, mostly lacking any evidence but are as tantalising as any science fiction story. But it always seems to me that these types of theories are a desperate attempt to find any reason other than a belief in God and the possibility of Heaven and Hell. Yet that is the only possibility for which there is evidence of some sort. This includes University studies of NDE and After Life Experiences. The Truth is way too inconvenient.

@jeromehorwitz2460

4 ай бұрын

@@stevemartin6267 What I am posting are what religions have been trying to tell you all these years using various metaphors. Christianity took to the metaphor of God as a father and humanity as his children, that is, flesh of his flesh. This is a symbol designed for Bronze Age Middle Eastern tribesmen who imagine that the universe, like a human tribe, must have a chieftain or patriarch. Over time, people tend to confuse a symbol for the thing it is supposed to represent. When you take your scriptures literally you reduce them to dogmas, and when you mistake your deities for actual persons you turn them into idols. Try listening to lectures by Alan Watts or reading books by Joseph Campbell to understand this more deeply

@jeromehorwitz2460

4 ай бұрын

@@stevemartin6267 A scientific theory is more than a mere opinion or wild guess, it is a tested and proven fact supported by all available evidence. Intelligence and personality are based on brain function, without it they don't exist. After your brain decomposes, what you think of as your "self" will no longer exist, just as it did not exist before your brain formed. But that self was never more than an illusion in the first place-- there is no individual "you," there is only what the universe is doing at this time in this place. You are a role God is playing, and part of that role is that it cycles through from birth to death, while God plays other roles that are each going through their own cycles, just as all the waves and ripples of the sea are what the ocean itself is doing. The units come and go, but the larger array continues. When you give up your ego/self/soul, you realize your immortality, but when you clutch at vain fantasies of remaining yourself forever, you become anxious and vulnerable to religious con artists

@stevemartin6267

4 ай бұрын

@@jeromehorwitz2460 If your approach is to simply look at the reasoning for mythology and you assume that Christianity is also mythology then you are missing a great deal. You dismiss without serious consideration the historical and archaeological evidence for Jesus as a man, the prophesies of His coming; the scriptural evidence of Him being God made flesh and then most importantly the evidence of the resurrection with the Shroud of Turin. Instead of considering fantasy stories, please consider looking at evidence. You will find the Truth even more interesting than anything Alan Watts or Joseph Campbell can say.

Wise words from a wise man..

In order to know what a god would think and its involvement in our lives, id have thought you have to prove it exists in the first place.. as Christopher Hitchens pointed out, its one thing to be a deist, saying you know it exists, but to then go into a theist position and say you know what it thinks and expects of you, suggests you have all your work cut out ahead of you in proving any of that.. at all. So its not is there a god, cos thats impossible to answer, whereas.. if you simply ask why humans believe it, then its a much easier proposition to solve.

Nice discussion. God is the Sun, and scientists couldn’t figure that the Sun is Conscious, nor how the Sun could possibly “intervene”.

Humans have more than enough imagination... How do people come up with this stuff?!

The question assumes a soul.

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

We all have to accept some stuff we can't proof to start a logical argument. In science this is called axioms and it's the only way to get out of Münchausen's trilema.

@mimetype

4 ай бұрын

@@user-vq6xc6zj5z No, we dont. If We do, we're starting from a flawed.premise which nullifies any further argument.

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

​@@mimetypeThat the premise that there is a soul is flawed is a value judgment; you don't support it with a logical argument in the style of "the premise is flawed because... (than comes the argument)". I made a logical argument not a value judgment, I said that we all have to start with axioms we can't proof, that is a logical conclusion from Münchausens Trilema. If you want to disproof that statement you cant do that by a value judgment: You either have to disproof that Münchhausens Trilema is true or that my statement must logicaly follow from it. I don't want to be to rough with you, you are propably young and just starting to learn logic. But I want to warn you from something I sadly learned very late: there is a lot of "bluff language" used in atheism and science today. From the way you confidently used the term "premise" other people who don't know the term well, might think you are some expert and know something they don't know. This happens at every level. The atheistic philosophers you admire might use a lot of complicated language and concepts (like for example emergence). And even if you don't fully understand them you trust them that they understand what they are talking about. In most case they don't. It's a lot of bla bla that is purposefully complicated to prevent people from understanding that the whole argument of atheism is rather thin.

No one need to know the truth so long the you believe in it. Thats how truth works.

@F1ct10n17

4 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 yes, my truth is what I believe. You?

@F1ct10n17

4 ай бұрын

Believe is very shallow like the ocean top but worth sailing to see the beauty of the unknown. I stop growing without imagination.

@F1ct10n17

4 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 Marcus Aurelius- Balanced word. Not right and not wrong

@F1ct10n17

4 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 The ultimate reality is to make it happen. No opinion can change that.

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

Subjective experience occurs, but reality is what’s there before and after you. That’s what science is about. Beliefs act like an immunity in your brain, it stops you from thinking and ignores info contrary to the belief. Truth is a messy concept.

Robert is pretentious with his knowledge of quantum physics at 4:18 suggesting observer effect as mere shifting of bell curve of probabilistic distribution. He just threw a string of words borrowed from his discussions with physicists and mathematicians.

I do not believe in an anthropomorphic “God”. If there is such a thing as a soul, then it is simply memory field. Rupert Sheldrake’s Morphic Field Theory makes some sense in terms of a scientific explanation of phenomena such as reincarnation.

Another ridiculous question 😣. How can anyone take your show seriously when you ask such ridiculous questions? Show me evidence that there is such a thing and I’ll take it seriously.

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

What if you are supposed to not take it serious? If life is a test you will not find evidence that it is one, otherwise you could "break" that test.

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

But respect for your taste of music, bro.

The Singularity is pure complexity, that means you best hope that you don’t have a soul in this infinite complexity.

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

And only a hypothesis

@solution001

4 ай бұрын

@@ihatespam2 The Second Law of Thermodynamics at a gravitational well

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

Ah so you are one of the atheists that see that enotionaly the void is not the worst option. I agree but in that case don't criticize anyone who does not believe in materialism to do this only out of "wishfull thinking".

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

@@user-vq6xc6zj5z you comment is unintelligible. Materialism is an outdated term. As far as me not criticizing anyone, I don’t understand what you mean. I can state my opinion all I want, and will. But if you have an actual point or question about Atheism or my opinions, I’m glad to respond.

Firstly I'll say that I do respect Dr Davis's opinion, but as he said 'there's no meaning or purpose to it all' then the same likewise goes for anything he and, or his colleges say. Indeed if nothing has any purpose then all is permissible, what sort of world would he like to live in, one when anarchy rules?

Until there is some quantitative evidence of the supernatural or some mechanism by which things that don’t exist in the natural world have some affect on things that do exit… I’d have to say there is no rational reason to believe it is possible. But scientifically speaking. If the data changes I am willing to be open to it… but not until then.

@khalidtamr8856

4 ай бұрын

“Quantitative evidence of the supernatural” is a paradox. Makes no sense

@lrvogt1257

4 ай бұрын

@@khalidtamr8856 : Exactly.

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

​@@khalidtamr8856Great that someone else saw it. The paradox of asking for "physical evidence" of non-physical objects is repeating again and again in this discussion. In the end I find it quiet over-confident that such "a right for evidence" exist - if this universe was designed as for example as a moral test by God. In that case we humans would be the test subject inside a matrix. we are what is tested and not that what can do tests on reality (beyond what the matrix allow us to find as results).

If you look at God as a refiner and systems set up by Him are selfconsistent

Does an afterlife has a soul?

When studying and realizing, i take off the wordly garment, not identifying with it. I remove the baggage so removing fetters. I try to grow towards the Divine with that intent, for union with the Divine. Whereas, with the atheists, their ideal is to shoehorn everything into their condition, with the unwittingly intent to reify themselves, their condition, and second, the world and their view of how things. 'A man who loses his life for my names sake(Truth) shall find it; he who seeks to save his life shall lose it." - KJV

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

That’s a story you tell yourself, nothing factual.

Soul is a fuzzy term for consciousness, ego, self-awareness or individual personality. This is a biological process requiring physical nervous tissues, not a distinct entity like an invisible ghost that can retain its characteristics, memories and sense of uniqueness as it flies off to heaven, haunts a house or gets reincarnated into a bunny after the body of its host disintegrates

Is that the MyPillow guy?

There is no such thing as a soul, that is just what we called consciousness before we had science. I personally was in a bad motorcycle accident and was revived on the highway. If people didn't tell me what happened i would not know because i woke up in the ER a few hrs later. No bright light, no experience nothing, i would never know i died. Made me appreciate my time here more.

@ilikedogs870

4 ай бұрын

Definitive answer there, you’ve got it figured out

Davies should be asked what motivates him to eschew atheism.

@francesco5581

4 ай бұрын

materialism ...atheism is only an "against" stance

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

@@francesco5581you misunderstand. Atheism is a null hypothesis stance. Are you against reincarnation or other things that haven’t been proven to you? Is abstinence a sex position? ‘Without a belief’ is not a belief. Unconvinced is not convinced. Words have meanings and the first step in honesty is to not strawman the opposing interlocutor.

@francesco5581

4 ай бұрын

@@ihatespam2 thats why i am saying that atheism alone means nothing... its like answering "i dont play chess" at the question "what is your favorite hobby"....

@ihatespam2

4 ай бұрын

@@francesco5581 that’s a terrible analogy. What’s your favorite hobby? Is better answered with, I don’t like any hobby. Honest. You r example begs the question and slips in an undeserved implication. Both illogical argumentations. Try again and be honest and don’t misrepresent the Atheist position. Maybe you are honest and just don’t understand? Either way your example shows you have atheism wrong. Answer my question directly. Is abstinence as sex position? Because that’s what you are saying. A and not A are the same thing?! Atheism is the null hypothesis, (look it up) the position of honesty. I say I don’t know and im not convinced, because it’s the truth. If you have something that is convincing, I would love to hear it, and if convinced, I’ll change my position. And I’ll volunteer this. I am an Atheist in regard to the gods we know about through most religions but, I am also an anti-theist, and I’m convinced they do not exist. Which is a claim, which, as you may know, does require a defense. However, regarding a deistic god, I am agnostic, because I have no way to disprove that. If I knew which religion and which sect and which denomination and which aspects of that belief you subscribe to, we could discuss it’s, not only unconvncing aspect, but the aspects which can be shown to be false. To clarify, Atheism can be confusing because there are two kinds; the basic kind is the unconvinced, the literal definition. (A = without & theos = a god) like you are an Atheist regarding Zeus. The other is known as strong Atheism, which means you claim there are no gods. That can save you a lot of time, knowing who you are talking to, to avoid making a strawman argument.

@francesco5581

4 ай бұрын

@@ihatespam2 You just confirm what ive said, atheism cannot be a basic moral stance since define only a narrow range. The basic difference is Spirituality vs Materialism and is all about First Cause. Then religions, atheism, deism, idealism, are just subsequent ramifications, some dont even exclude each other. But people when talking about "big things" continue to say "i am atheist !!" but that is too limited to be a philosophical or scientific stance.

A better question is: Do souls exist? Answer: No.

@digitalfootballer9032

4 ай бұрын

Thank you oh wise sage. Philosophers of the world shouldn't even bother, they should just come straight to you because you have all the answers 😂

By the way, what if the cosmic software requires that humans evolve for billions of years to the future to achieve complete effectiveness? Maybe we are being hasty and rushing God!!! If he's truly omnipotent, then maybe it's too early for humanity to tell. Perhaps we need to wait and see what will happen in a far, far future.

Cheap way out! Beautiful. But how do you that which means egoless, or rather the ego and the god-particle are on same page. Which is the experience of mystics, Zen masters Yogis Sufis, the 4-horsemen of the apocalypse..

can a soul commit suicide? Looking at the same old god for eternity must be v boring.

@francesco5581

4 ай бұрын

because you have a wrong idea of time. In a forever "now" there is no being bored. Just like kids who havent to deal with past and are not worried for the future

@sven888

4 ай бұрын

I wish we could be more loving and embracing towards each other and uplift each other whenever and wherever we can. I wish we could tell each other we appreciate each other's companionship so very much. I wish we could say I Love You more often. So I'll make my wish come true. Brother or Sister: Thank you. I appreciate you. I love you. I am beyond grateful you are here. May you blessed with goodness in your life. May you blessed with loving people in your life. Thank you!!! ❤

Who's watching this wonderful video in 2024?

If humans didn’t exist would god exist? I think not

Ah, that was one of the better scientific intepretations of god. But still not there ....

It's amazing to still see people stuck in the past, still doesn't get how the mind works, even after the recent advances in AI!

the feeling about before big bang is not a religious thing. you don't need to know about before big bang and soul to fly to moon. and do reproduction. and its not a religious thing too,,

Natural humans with thoughts fear eternal non existence...so just jump on board with millennium of belief in religion in a form....a true comfort.....random cruelty in every direction tells me....probably not

@user-vq6xc6zj5z

4 ай бұрын

The problem of evil is depressing and I can understand if it makes you angry on God. Have been there too. But can we really be sure that this evil is random - or does it come out of us? Superficially it seems that we are made of the same stuff that "randomly" kills us in the form of huricans, wildfires etc. But that suggests that prebirth we ARE somehow this lethal phenomena. As if the angriness of prebirth-souls already materialize itself in firestorms, tsunamis etc. Ancient cultures believed in places and objects that are posessed by evil spirits and hence are somehow "undead". Maybe the whole universe is such a place. If God is not allpowerfull it might take him time to save us somehow from our selfcreated hell. Its often overlooked that this universe has an experitation date. That might be God trying to stop our otherwise eternal competition and anger.

Einstein said God plays cards but HIM is not malicious. Guys show his personal view about God are rambling and malicious. Guys shows after life true evidence but today true evidence is nil so far. He life after deaths his keep out any proof proceendings . He is bizarre pedantic when he believes God links life after deaths.

@gregoryrice2121

4 ай бұрын

All women should take testosterone, get a double maschectomy, and become strong trans men. Because this is a man's world.

First give good evidence for a soul....Then we can talk.

@Akira-jd2zr

4 ай бұрын

i came to the comments to ask the same

@Mikehawk-fr8pk

4 ай бұрын

Reincarnation

@Mikehawk-fr8pk

4 ай бұрын

Near death experiences and end of life phenomena too

@Mikehawk-fr8pk

4 ай бұрын

Peter fenwick would be a good place to start learning about this

@Akira-jd2zr

4 ай бұрын

@@Mikehawk-fr8pk all those things you listed are horrible "evidence"

I want to believe in the god of Israel. So even if Israel didn't exist, it would not affect my faith. Therefore souls do go to Heaven immediately after death.

Does a Soul Have an Afterlife?. Science can not prove either way. Religions say:"yes".

I THINK > I AM GOD CONSCIOUSNESS The reason for our becoming self-conscious, or self-aware, creatures will become apparent later on, when we begin exploring the nature of being human in greater detail. But this human self-consciousness is something quite different in nature to the reality of the Consciousness that lies behind and within everything to appear as the myriad forms in existence. Consciousness inhabits and animates creation and its creatures not unlike the power that flows through a computer to make it work in accordance with the hardware and software of the device. By this analogy, the specific physical characteristics of a creature’s body constitute the hardware, and the programming of its mind the software. These things are important to understand because if this conceptual ground is not firm, the model we build from here will not endure, and its potential value will be lost. What all this is pointing to is that what you really are―what we all are―is an eternal, unlimited energy source capable of creating and experiencing events. What you are is this creative source, this Consciousness. Who you are is how this Consciousness works through you to express as something unique in the world. Powerful creative Consciousness is your true and essential nature, but of course, you experience your life through the limitations of a human body, so it may not seem that you are an all-powerful being at times, or indeed ever. By its very nature, the body exists as some ‘thing’ and is, therefore, a limitation or restriction of ‘everything else possible’, to become something specific and useful―a human being. And then it must be remembered that these bodies we inhabit are a product of Mother Earth, and have developed for good reasons. Although today there are many philosophes, theories and just sheer guesses put forward to explain the purpose of our existence, none of them fully describe or satisfactorily explain the original intention for our emergence. Some bodies born into this world have, or will develop over time, physical or mental attributes that further alter the creative opportunities and experiences available to them in a lifetime. The influence of our national culture, the general culture of our times, and the impact of our upbringing by parents and other significant people also become major influences that can place limitations on our thinking and power. Other restrictions occur as a result of the pains we might experience in life, the emotions that often get buried in the body as a result, and the accumulating limited beliefs they then give rise to. There is also the concept of ‘karmic debt’ that will limit opportunities, and this too will be discussed later in the work. The state of your own evolved Consciousness is another factor affecting personal power. All these things limit the opportunities you have in life, and so it can be seen that although your true nature is something quite grand, you find yourself in very limiting circumstances. But it is important to keep perspective. Your essential nature is a free and unlimited Consciousness, a potential capable of eternal creation and experience. And this Consciousness was the reality before the Universe that we know emerged.

@tomjackson7755

4 ай бұрын

Oh boy yet another cut and paste of complete nonsense.

"Does a Soul Have an Afterlife?" I would first like to see definitive proof that souls exist. Second, I would like to see definitive proof that an afterlife exists. Then, and only then, we can fantasize about the initial question.

@francesco5581

4 ай бұрын

What is the point of living believing that an afterlife does not exist ? you will not even know if your were right ....

@Ploskkky

4 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 Is 'gullibility' your mantra in life?

@Ploskkky

4 ай бұрын

@@francesco5581 I do not wish to believe nonsense. That is all. Obviously, the whole afterliife scheme is utter nonsense.

@francesco5581

4 ай бұрын

@@halcyon2864 but if that "living" end then even "living" will be no more

@peaceonearth351

4 ай бұрын

One should watch the movie, "The Discovery" with Richard Gere. He plays a physicist who discovers that there is an afterlife and goes public with his findings. People started to kill themselves in masses to avoid the suffering in this world. Makes one think, would they really go public if scientists discover an afterlife.