Well done Bohm.❤ You did an excellent job

Just imagine if we could all have a meaningful dialogue between one another without anger and hate.

@terafreestone3596

Жыл бұрын

🕊🌺✨

@Ceogoogle.

Жыл бұрын

In dreams, it's too late maybe

@verfassungspatriot

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Ceogoogle. but then you can still have a meaningful internal dialogue with yourself

@salmanashraf786

9 ай бұрын

This is such a beautiful thought

@virajraval9042

2 ай бұрын

Plenty of us are delightfully distracted that seldom do we give this meaningful thing a meaning.. it rather looks menacing and boring.. Pleasure of all sorts we are always consumed and we love it until nature slaps back for us to learn

What I appreciate most of all is their very sincere effort to understand one another. They are working together to clarify both their thoughts. This is a true conversation in the sense that there is a ‘conversion’ of ideas into understanding. We have many intelligent people engaging in discussion but rarely do they talk with each other in this manner. Instead, they try only to persuade the rights and wrongs of their ‘own’ argument. And tragically miss the forest for the trees.

@ranirathi3379

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely. which is why communication has deteriorated to this point today. we identify with certain schools of thought, ideologies and that which we identify with, we will defend bcz it becomes a matter of personal affront. sad in a matter of 30yrs, this is what we've come to.

@crawdaddy500

3 жыл бұрын

Very well set this comment is one of the best on KZread I've read this whole year. And it's very satisfying watching too mature highly intellectual adults that are also good in physics and spiritual book balanced try to do their damndest their best to figure shit out and be honest and transparent with it with no ego all truth as they believe it and know it you can't ask for more than that. This is definitely a dialogue that should be studied by people in our elementary schools Junior High in high schools this is real education

@a-rod1527

3 жыл бұрын

So well put friend.

@thevastexpanse2873

3 жыл бұрын

exactly

@ArindamPramanik

3 жыл бұрын

You have put wonderfully

I like Bohm, he makes the impression of being VERY cautious, VERY considerate, VERY sensitive to not deviate from the correctness of the things being said. Such a humble and honest man and at the same time such a brave and formidable man for approaching truth without inhibitions for the sake of advancing and helping humanity. My deepest respect.

@is-ness

3 жыл бұрын

A true true scientist looking for a logical profession to the truth....and he got that by the end of video 2. Brilliant teacher was Murti!

@youtlubesuxxxxxxxok

Жыл бұрын

totally agree!

37 years later...the chaos is getting bigger and bigger...

@preethi5346

4 жыл бұрын

@@TomTom-lg3ez why would yo think it's hopeless?

@klapsrap6413

4 жыл бұрын

​@@TomTom-lg3ez sadly enough you are right.

@Keepupit

4 жыл бұрын

But we have iphones

@shanksatutube

4 жыл бұрын

@@TomTom-lg3ez whoever is programming this is learning and fixing the code on the go. Also adding new features, gadgets etc. At the end the fixing is not going to help and they have to crash/decommission this software to build a new one. And the cycle will continue.

@derek3778

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr. E Hopeless in the sense that the chaos and hysteria that we have been experiencing in this cycle are not over by the long shot. The worst is yet to come in terms of social-economic fallout. There's always hope because after this cycle, next cycle begins with rejuvenated society that's ready to start fresh. It's simply a natural phenomenon we must experience

Bohm does such a beautiful job of making Krishnamurti clarify his understanding into words that may be more palatable to the average person, it's a delight to see these two lovely souls interact and learn together

@universuliubirii7934

4 жыл бұрын

Is more then respect one for other; is love

@aniruddhajoshi8796

4 жыл бұрын

True

@infonode1783

4 жыл бұрын

Yes there is much that I misunderstood due to the way Krishnamurti speaks which I'm now able to understand due to Bohm's clarifications.

@svendhansen5427

4 жыл бұрын

We are looking at two of the greatest minds in historie, trapped in persona, and partly aware. This is a RARE sight and thank you to the Divine and Anni Besant on a shore in India.

@jasonvalliere4550

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Dr. Bohm clarifies what it is to be awake by asking relevant questions. I'm so grateful to listen to these intelligent men who offer love and compassion to us all.

@Max-wx7yz

3 жыл бұрын

@spiro certainly not you

I feel very grateful to have the opportunity to hear and see those two talking.

@ambientescape8350

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. So very grateful.

@ajayjoyt

3 жыл бұрын

But i can only hear krishnamurthi.. 😞

@ppd27575

3 жыл бұрын

Thus you divide and invite conflict ;-)

@phnx4life

3 жыл бұрын

Better start getting back humanity and forget about these two...they're gone.

David has an amazingly lively mind. Thanks for sharing.

"As you can see in the politicians, thought is very limited. In fact, it is almost nonexistent."

@marshalllhiepler

4 жыл бұрын

Ha! Reminds me of something Alan Watts once said about speaking to a room full of high-ranking military officers: "I conveyed many degrading things about them all, and departed long before any realized it." 😆

@grayarcana

3 жыл бұрын

marshalllhiepler Beauty has many wondrous forms.

@Venom_590

3 жыл бұрын

We can also see in ourselves,as our knowledge is very limited and thought is a response from knowledge which is stored in brain as memory, so thought is also limited.Even the knowledge of the scientists are very miniscule, if consider cosmos.

@aviralvishal2803

3 жыл бұрын

Not thought but knowledge. He further adds we create confusion when we don't have adequate knowledge of what we are dealing with.

@signifidelica2819

3 жыл бұрын

Jiddu laughing is a rare sight, heh

So grateful these conversations took place and we can watch them in 2020. Psychologically

Thinking together is so much better than thinking separately or competitively.

@louisadigrazia1285

4 жыл бұрын

You summed it up.

@1SpudderR

4 жыл бұрын

Jennifer Grove Hmm? Try substituting “Thought” for “thinking” ?

@Ludifant

4 жыл бұрын

It´s good to practice thinking as a hobby. Means you are taking it just the right amount of serious.

@dnt000

3 жыл бұрын

Very true

12:23 thought 16:47 knowledge about human being 21:35 why important? division and conflict 26:19 mankind is all one 28:50 achievement of men 32:00 consciousness is shared by all human beings 36:23 source of thought is psychological time 40:00 44:42 time 43:23 1:06:16 self improvement 45:24 47:50 observer is the observed. no time 46:26 ending of self knowledge 55:50 1:08:40 intelligence 58:58 how to find out 1:13:09 future of mankind 1:17:53 Bodhisattva

@gauravtr7766

Жыл бұрын

Wow u r grt

@user-nr4ii3ew4l

Жыл бұрын

Спасибо, добрый человек

@sijufrancis9700

9 ай бұрын

Thanks

@nandhakumarasokan2643

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for this Indexing 😊. As you know it helps to listen to specific points 🎉

@arabianorangutang

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for these !

Thanks for the camera in the room when these men were alive and sat together for a conversation. This topic is still relevant in 2022.

@LisaCCurvello

3 ай бұрын

Hi! I'm coming from the future (2024) to say it's relevant here too! 😀

@krox477

15 күн бұрын

Things are becoming increasingly crazy

Just look at their humility🙏🙏🙏

@nasimshakil4682

3 жыл бұрын

Yes because where there is true wisdom there is humility.

1:07:40 When he talks about how one has to feel about the world being one, I remember one rare moment of clarity in my life. I was at my grandma's funeral and we were at the graveyard; all the relatives and friends and people who knew her. I looked at them all and suddenly it became so clear to me: we are all one life. My grandma wasn't dead; her body might be in that little box, but everything she was lived on in all of us and all my grief vanished in an instant. I was so happy that I realised that. From that moment on I tried to treat every person as a part of me. Every fault, anger, sorrow I encountered was part of me and I try every day to hold on to that moment. To hear that from a man who dedicated his life to this, gives me strength on my way.

@marshalllhiepler

4 жыл бұрын

We are fortunate to receive moments of intense clarity. It is a rare occurance, to be sure, but ever so more rare, are those individuals, who incorporate those clarities into their future, as a tinted lens, through which all experiences are enhanced. Nice to see you in the club, Jazz.

@SudhirDudeja

4 жыл бұрын

Do you also treat animals same way...?

@SudhirDudeja

3 жыл бұрын

@@clayandputtyvideos1647 So that mean we should not eat meat ?, right ?

@KrishnaKumar-qx1mk

3 жыл бұрын

@@SudhirDudeja I stopped eating it 2years ago

@nadadenadax4903

2 жыл бұрын

@@SudhirDudeja would k not say, that is an ideology, that is separation in oneself, I like meat, but I should not eat it?

This i one of the best conversation i have heard on freeing the mind there's so much insight listen with full attention

This is how should be ideal conversation ,, respecting eachother im just blown away by this wisdom oo my god. Thank you so much

I think everything Krishnamurti explain is clear, logical, and directly understandable

@dante6434

Жыл бұрын

But Bohm mind will not hear it because he tries to intellectually make sense of something that is not rational unless I experience this in ones body, he actually seems to be a rather un-embodied intellect

To all involved with making and sharing these uploads, your work is appreciated. 🌻

This might be the best talk with Krishnamurti I have seen where his dialogue partner actually manages to evoke clarifications of Krishnamurti's somewhat unconventional understanding of key notions like time, thought, mind, pleasure, love etc and relate them to our Western understanding of such terms, pointing out the differences. He's really building a bridge, breaking the language barrier.

Wow this is a treasure! Bohm’s questions are genuine and deep. The answers from Krishnamurthy changes something very fundamental in our understanding

the most happy and smiling krishnamurti I have ever seen❤️

I've always loved Krishnamurti, since the first time I randomly saw his mug on a paperback in a bookstore in 1971 or so. But not only is David Bohm obviously brainy, he seems like such a good guy too.

I was really hoping he'd answer the last question "How could we make people see all this?" I feel that he didn't have the answer because people were still as they were and would not change. And i think that was his whole work and his whole life he talked to help people see all this. All his energy went into helping people understand this. He might not know it but his work is still helping people, still changing the world and will always help people. He was a man of real service

@terafreestone3596

Жыл бұрын

I’m discovering it’s not that people won’t change. It’s that I won’t change the way I see people.

@darpanmajumdar6947

Жыл бұрын

@@terafreestone3596 beautiful Tera. Indeed.

@krox477

10 ай бұрын

We can't change because we have complex SOCIAL economical system

In the end of video , the tragedy , or the pain in Krishnamurti voice we can feel " all that is it's right here , in the front , in this moment , but the tragedy of it is he can't show it, he can't push anyone here , everybody has to reach here on their own until then we all r just lost souls "

I bought this on vhs in the eighties and watched it many times.

It takes tremendous intellect, confidence and clarity to question JK !! DB is shining in this one, as others have appreciated too! I loved JK’s expression at 33:20 as DB gently points out how the “insanity” of separateness isn’t evident to all!! This talk is a blessing!! 😍🙏

always insightful, wonderful, and comforting.... yes we are one.. so grateful that some wise soul decided to capture all of these conversations... thank you.

How sad.. 1:05 J. Krishnamurti describing the world how a lot of us experience up till today almost 40 years later.

@MrMadalien

3 жыл бұрын

But also remember that the world was like this in the early 20th century, too. Imagine, Krishnamurti lived through World War 1, The Spanish Flu, The Great Depression, World War 2, The Cold War, and so on. It's true the world is in a state of extreme chaos, but perhaps it was always like that, just we were not aware, we did not have the immediate experience of it. In fact, if you live in a small community in some countryside area in Europe, the world is still chaos, but YOUR world is not chaos. The west experienced extreme peace while the middle east experienced extreme war and violence. What's different now is that everyone's experience is intertwined. Which is really interesting. We are getting closer and closer to becoming "one" but at the same time scrambling around trying desperately to remain separate.

@Kassiusday

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrMadalien great comment !!

@deepakkumar0801

4 ай бұрын

An excellent analysis 👏👏​@@MrMadalien

arguably one of the best discussions ever happened on conciousness, mankind, psyche,etc. Thank you J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel.

Of all the talks and discussion that K has given, nobody quite listens, understands, and reiterates clearly like David Bohm.

Summary 1.All human's consciousness is one 2. knowledge is limited so thought is also limited 3 thought creat duality which further bring conflict 4 All kind of 'should be' is nothing but just escape from 'what is?' 5.Movement of time is thought which creat individuality .

@SB_-cf5zp

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it is all about psychological time, right? 1. - 2. Knowledge is time (to think and to memorize needs time and space. and we build up from past experiences. So it's never "new"/fresh) 3. s. 2. Also: Thought operates in time. Time and Space (= movement) are one. Everything in Spacetime is dual. 4. Yes. "Should be" is a timebased escape 5. Time - Thought - Ego

@hadror13

3 жыл бұрын

The difference from the complete silence is individuality which is an illusion of perception

@hadror13

3 жыл бұрын

SB_Music psychological time is the only time you are perceiving. It is loosely based on real time...through perception..although one needs instruments of measurement to be sure

@DemoniacLL

3 жыл бұрын

There is one thing that I would like to underline. K. is implying, that psychological time is thought, but inside there is no time. This is the bringer of chaos. I felt this when Mr. Bohm was making references to the table and so on, we seem to convince ourselves that the inside works the same way as the outside. Do you agree with me on this? Do you get what I am aiming at ? We copy the experience from the outside. This is the violence K. is talking about. Thought is also(as stated) experience. Without experiencer there is no experience. Because the experiencer is the self, copying, living from memory, knowledge, movements. This is why thought is a movement. Can someone please go into this with me please. Does this make sense to you ? Because it is making a whole lot of sense to me. This is why when thought observes itself, everything stops, because our notion of time (inside) meets the time outside, in a different way, without memory! It is facing something new. This is real meditation.

@tsalisangtam2216

3 жыл бұрын

@@DemoniacLL Wow! I must thank you for making me realise this. Thank you!

dr bohm is such a gem man ❤️❤️❤️ he knows what to ask and how to ask it

"DON'T THINK YOU ARE, KNOW YOUR ARE"

@1SpudderR

4 жыл бұрын

Manleo M Hmm? Why not Thought you are Thinking as you are? Regards

Amazing talk, truly great! What is so good about this one compared to K's public speeches is that there's D. Bohm who grounds K in the unfortunate reality of our dull minds which are completely absorbed in the illusions of thought. K is just so much ahead in terms of clarity of mind compared to the average human being that, if not for D. Bohm gentle approach, I feel the talk would lack all the crucial parts that provide at least some bridge to K's understanding of things. Something that is very much lacking in his public discussion or talks with D. Allen. Treasure!

If only all exchanges were this rich. The audio is spectacular, the sounds of the birds and the hard left and right panning of each via Apple Airpod Max is nothing short of spectacular. Captures the stillness of a time just prior to the Internet Revolution - We are experiencing a such time right now- enormous change is imminent. David Bohms work is growing more relevant each year

@karanagrawal8499

7 ай бұрын

Like what does he getting proper reception in scientific community please share the matter.

This is my favourite dialogue of all time so far.

David bohm and krishnamurti . spectacular team.

Exactly the experience is as it is. The thinker is the thought. One whole thought, one whole moment, only one whole is, that what it is. At last confirmation! Thank you for these liberating words. Freedom as the thought.

Expression of such a passion on humanity last part of conversation , amazingly serious , full of love

I understand from this talk that 'mind' or 'thought' is the cause of suffering and that the 'direct perception' removes it.

Right to the heart. We are fortunate to hear this dialogue and the last part reminds me of the cave allegory

Very deep and insightful discussion, great discussion.

It is so relevant even today! So glad to have this conversation available for everyone🙏

These two put on a great discussion, very quick and lively. They both have fascinating and entertaining facial expressions. Thanks for posting it!

@cresenciohernandez8310

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed the same. Thank you for clarifying my thoughts lol much luv bro THANK You

Thank you for sharing. It has moved me intensively. A privilege indeed!

Thank you for this. So grateful!

Perfeito! Fico grato pelo trabalho de vocês e pelas palavras do Mestre

An enligting discussion. J krishnamurty is always enlighting.

Bohms honesty and openness is a rare thing and very valuable. I watched another conversation, I think it was another because it was black and white. Kmurti asks Bohm if he would like to have things explained sometimes, and Bohm says( paraphrasing) no, I dont, but for the sake of clarity for viewers please continue.

What I got from it is, The conscious processes are the same for everyone, but the body is individual. That thought is memory which depends on knowledge, and the accumulation of knowledge is infinite, therefore thought is limited by creating division through the ignorance of having limited experience. Memory creates time which creates thought and illusory ideals for the future, therefore time is a mental construction and the observer is the observed Intelligence can act through memory and knowledge, but is distinct. To free intelligence/compassion, it must be freed from acting through thought.

The art of acceptance of reality 🙏

We ARE all one, re spirit or who we really are; we are unique as to our physicality and how we were conditioned. This conversation makes so much sense to me. I am so grateful to know that I am not alone in my own realizations. WHEW! This conversation is truly a treat!

These are the conversations that we should seek to explore. I'm grateful this material is available amidst a manufactured "world" whose purpose is to invalidate who we are and lure us further away from our true nature.

this conversation seems to suit the context we are living right now....

The consciousness can perceive the insight, which is not limited

Timeless wisdom

The beauty of this discussion between J Krishnamurti and David bohm is the subject they discussed and discussing of human psychic and consciousness of human being is still happening in our daily life, even today, as a fact It is a necessity to follow and listen very carefully not only to this discussion but also to the other discussions as well in which these grate philosophers had discussed in that time. Those discussions are truly a real meditation.

I feel so sorry not to have met Krishnamurti in person. I was quite alive at his time. Could have met or at least have watched him personally.

According to Wikipedia Jiddu Krishnamurti labeled as philosopher and David Bohm labeled as scientist respectively. But their dialogue is not about science nor philosophy but "something completely different" (C) Monty Python.

@jayakrishnans9771

3 жыл бұрын

Jk can't be termed as a philosopher.. But it's true that the english language doesn't have a word to define what Jk was doing.!

Deep gratitude for this!

We lived on. Even know during a pandemic in 2020 we look back and ask “What would I have done differently”. We LIVE on.

@krissyramsey3934

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent point

@lilisaadaoui6158

4 жыл бұрын

The question is HOW would live on? Would you do the same things have the same thoughts act the same way...etc.?

@derek3778

4 жыл бұрын

@@lilisaadaoui6158 we individually might not live on. The humans as a specie, will live on. Would we learn anything and will get better prepared to take on next challenges? I doubt it. look at history, We never learn, but we live on. Same game, Different players.

@fourshore502

4 жыл бұрын

yeah except a lot of people died, also the threat of nuclear war and global warming increases every day

@haroldcheeseburger

4 жыл бұрын

We are living on , N O W.

Gracias por el trabajo de traducción

I find these two conversing so comforting.

Loving it. It's so fulfilling

I never understood krishnamurti before watching this video. Thanks mr. Bohm

Thank you very much. ^_^

Wonderful discourse 😊

Perfect interview

Lovely work with subtitles

Simply Thank you

Time emerges from Memory. Fascinating to see these wise men tackle the big questions. In retrospect we now have a clearer understanding of the perception of time as a function of memory, intellect, identity and survival that enables us to recall past events we have experienced and develop strategies of self preservation for events that have not yet happened. It's the entropy of emergent experience dancing in a field of quantum potential that gives the observer the illusion of separation and time.

@is-ness

3 жыл бұрын

I think Krishnamurti laid it out perfectly, there is no new discovery as he points at zero essentially. Timeless, Reality. This is timeless and what great masters have said in various ways for millennia. The "brain" wants to evolve the unevolvable. The only thing without opposite.

I could listen to these discussions for hours. Really makes you think. Maybe that’s the “problem” :)

Two most inquisitive minds. Their views do blend. Scientific view and highly spiritual is just two opposing same time contributing forces of dual reality, however they co-exist in the end.

@aash2009aash

6 жыл бұрын

@lorenasilvanapasquetti4741

5 жыл бұрын

Eccezionali tutti e due....

@lucaschacon7436

4 жыл бұрын

Mm

@JonasAnandaKristiansson

4 жыл бұрын

There is no end. But yes

@shakilahmad2152

4 жыл бұрын

Also notice the calmness and serenity in their talk. Love and compassion is vividly manifesting.

Very informative! Thank you. 🙏

Great discussion.

Watching this, as well as all the other JK videos, and with Dr Bohm, we can see an extraordinary conveyance of ideas, or truths, that define who we are and what our reality is. The depth is unequalled, and it is also quite easy to see how the self-appointed gurus of the day have no real realization of the self or consciousness. To look persistently and closely at the self brings about an understanding of why we are so troubled as individuals and as groups, nations, and so on. Paradoxically, though, it takes a rare type of person willing to see what is so obvious, which is also what leads to suffering on every level.

If only all of the world could truly watch this NOW. To think of everyone, not just yourself. So simple, yet here we are....

I thank Rupert Spira, from Non-dual, for beautifully and easily explain the divine I (that we all are) and the entity I (our personalities).

I am so grateful

So valuable!

Thk you!!

Bloody loved it they spoke how people should 🌎🌏🌍

Best conversation ☺️

Thank you David bohm and jiddu Krishnamurti.

a special bonding with each other.

The combined intellect in this interview is incomprehensible I wonder if having such an intellect is a blessing or a curse?

I closed my eyes and just for a long moment listened past their unanswered questions and heard through their unquestioned answers... and heard the birds chirping in the background of the thoughts.

@Ludifant

4 жыл бұрын

And a lion grabbing a dikdik and tearing it to pieces.

@Paakku97

3 жыл бұрын

Nice

I love this video 😍

It's a pessimistic start. But that's the reality.

Mulțumesc

We forgive by letting go not by remembering we let go.

Amazing to have recorded such a great man talking with some one intelligent.. and very sad to seen he's right..

Fear or love/compassion seems to be the polarity that divides experience/humankind/ consciousness into actions of separation/fighting/competition or sharing/creating/embracing

❤️love them both ❤️

I understand his question. When we're young there really is a time when we realise what we must do. We all have our mission. That's the "action not touched by thought" that he talks about. Not just a game-changer, but a life-changer, too. Something that sets the whole world on a completely other course.

@krox477

10 ай бұрын

It's impossible

I found Krishnamurti at a yard sale, at a catholic school - His book “the impossible question - science then I have read many of his books - It took me more then just a year or two to understand Krishnamurti - to understand his understanding of life - and now some 40, years plus I’m still the same person with the same short comings and qualities - I prefer to read his thoughts rather then listen to him speak - while reading I can pause and reflect his wisdom - watching and listening to him on a documentary one has to move along - If I stop to ponder a concept he brings up by the time I digest the concept he has already moved on to a new topic - Anyway, no big comment here just an observation

@DX-d

Жыл бұрын

I felt the same way about the difficulty in understanding him. I would rewind the video to understand what he said but most of the time I still wouldn’t understand it!

Thank you

Una joya!!! 💎