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J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1983 - Conversation 2 - Why are we frightened to be nothing?

J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1983 - Conversation 2 with Pupul Jayakar - Why are we frightened to be nothing?
Summary:
Is there, or can there be, in the human brain a space without end, an eternity out of time?
The mind is a wholly different dimension which has no contact with thought. The brain, that part of the brain which has been functioning as an instrument of thought, that brain has been conditioned. As long as that part of the brain remains in that state there is no communication with the mind.
Insight is possible only when there is cessation of thought and time.
If there is a verbal sound, I am not listening, I am only understanding the words. But you want to convey to me something much more than the words.
The psyche is a bundle of memories and those memories are dead. They operate, they function, but they are the outcome of past experience, which is gone. I am a movement of memories. If I have an insight into that, I am nothing, there is nothing. I don't exist.
The ending of the movement which is the psyche, which is time-thought, the ending of that is to be nothing. Nothing then contains the whole universe -- not my petty little fears, anxieties, problems, sorrow. After all, nothing means the entire world of compassion.
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  • @vrkondemand
    @vrkondemand2 жыл бұрын

    Think abt eating your favourite food,the mind will create an image of how it would feel while having it.This projection is based on your last experience or some knowledge in the brain.While having the food next time while enjoying the food observe carefully without any motive how the experience is and you will know that the experience is not quiet 100% like the mind projected bt its different may be good or bad bt ots not quite as mind projected.This simple experiment shows how limited our thought is, which all the time projects image based on past experience or knowledge.If u can see this without any motive this is very clear thought is limited.However we try so hard to become enlightened or reach some superconscious state we forget to see simple things happening inside our mind.

  • @axutgautam1187
    @axutgautam1187 Жыл бұрын

    This video right here can end the search of a seeker.

  • @solomit1
    @solomit16 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks love JK once you understand the simplicity whole thing its very simple & liberating but seems almost impossible when trying to understand it through intellect as Pupul demonstrates to us

  • @martinfranke8866

    @martinfranke8866

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you this comes in my mind too. Beauty to see there are people think like one ;)

  • @kamaurahamukti5919
    @kamaurahamukti59192 жыл бұрын

    just BRILLIANT ✨✨✨ and what Krishnamurti dices into from min 43 on is a firework of liberation into no-thing, no-thinking Nothing "contains the whole universe", Krishnamurti then states. Supreme intelligence BRILLIANT ✨✨✨🙏🏽

  • @aliyousri1210
    @aliyousri12103 жыл бұрын

    Cet homme est exceptionnel unique je ne me lasse pas de l'écouter et ça m'a équilibré psychologiquement en apprenant une autre façon de voir la vérité des faits.

  • @midrash100
    @midrash1002 жыл бұрын

    This is fun. Pupul Jayakar is one o fhis long time students. She talks just like hm and is very familiar with his lecturers. She is talking K speak to K. It is like talking to yourself. That is why he has to be careful. She is saying things that he has said himself at one point. She is doggedly tough. She is also very intelligent. I keep waiting for K to lose it. She knows K's talks better than he does. At times it seems that she is trying to compete with him in a game that he invented.

  • @rimaagarwal5584
    @rimaagarwal55844 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this talk,it was so important

  • @mariofabrini3304
    @mariofabrini33043 жыл бұрын

    Grande come sempre , un vero dialogo meditativo e profondo.

  • @christianhertel2533
    @christianhertel2533 Жыл бұрын

    Gracias por subir este material 🙏

  • @renukatandon7463
    @renukatandon7463 Жыл бұрын

    one needs to be sensitive enough to listen to the soundless sound of nothingness .i assure u SIR one day mankind will know their folly and apply this wisdom in their daily life, THANKS FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY.

  • @nayeemkhan2250
    @nayeemkhan2250 Жыл бұрын

    This is one of the bestest conversation of Krishnaji.

  • @bulanlumbangaol
    @bulanlumbangaol6 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou very much. Terima kasih.

  • @smile4today1
    @smile4today12 жыл бұрын

    Everything is from nothing and nothing is everything. . 🙌🏼 to exist without the inner dialogue of “me” which is time and thoughts 💭 the movement of becoming ego. Freedom of nothingness is sound sacredness of divineness of in movement of life . Nothing is everything into simple existence Thank you for posting K videos ❤️🙏🏼

  • @willywagtails7984
    @willywagtails7984 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely enthralling thankyou!

  • @inspiregrow2336
    @inspiregrow23362 жыл бұрын

    J Krishnamurti the legend

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007Ай бұрын

    Listen to the universe without sound_ living moment by moment in whole, complete attention

  • @codelicious6590
    @codelicious65902 жыл бұрын

    K captures my heart with his ruthless adherence to factual reality and things which can be proven through actual personal experience and rejection of all speculation, belief or traditional dogmas. Just an absolutely fascinating man to listen to speaking. Had he more worldly ambition he may have, "pioneered" a new sort of category.

  • @tesswe3477

    @tesswe3477

    2 ай бұрын

    Great comment!!

  • @sagarprasad9817
    @sagarprasad98173 жыл бұрын

    thanks very much

  • @peteprutzos1536
    @peteprutzos1536 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastically Explained by Jiddu Krishnamurti

  • @marvingainsborougify
    @marvingainsborougify3 жыл бұрын

    Thought is limited. Thousands of years of conflict has not only made this instrument dull, it has reached the end of its tether.

  • @Sanjay14728
    @Sanjay147282 ай бұрын

    My dirty brain is washed out by these enlightening words.

  • @subhaschandrabag
    @subhaschandrabag Жыл бұрын

    Thank You Excellent Discussion.

  • @ricardogarciagil1633
    @ricardogarciagil16332 ай бұрын

    Lo escucho desde hace años me parece una persona muy sabia.tengo que reconocer que me ayudo mucho ,pero es tan difícil no tener problemas en esta socidad .de todas maneras te doy las gracias.

  • @selliahlawrencebanchanatha4482
    @selliahlawrencebanchanatha44826 ай бұрын

    Am the world oh my god

  • @quemaravilha
    @quemaravilha2 жыл бұрын

    He is the greatest 😍

  • @mathematicsclub961
    @mathematicsclub961 Жыл бұрын

    She loved him, a lot.🙂.

  • @ioanaduman3969
    @ioanaduman39692 жыл бұрын

    Respect multumesc

  • @gheorghefalcaru
    @gheorghefalcaru5 жыл бұрын

    SUPERB, ULTIMATIVE

  • @renukatandon7463
    @renukatandon7463 Жыл бұрын

    what k is saying is insight is instant means seeing the whole without involving time and thought.....yes understood...THANKS K......and perhaps that is birth of new in ancient

  • @tirafalo80
    @tirafalo803 жыл бұрын

    Oh my god...even I am getting frustrated with her🙈🙈🙈. Something so simple she is complicating immensely. This is what happens to people who invest their whole lives in education and ego intelligence 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️. I always say 'no one could ever understand what is not within their experience' 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

  • @nitinvsjain

    @nitinvsjain

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's what we all are. The lady is necessary for this kind of conversation to take place. She is honest with her queries, the queries of all of us

  • @kamalhalder4106

    @kamalhalder4106

    2 жыл бұрын

    the more she question the more we get from K.

  • @gabrielr8642
    @gabrielr8642 Жыл бұрын

    @31:05 the point of insight comes from the observation of the conditioning but this difficult because we are mostly afraid to be our authentic conditioned self. This is very difficult not only because it can be very painful but we already have ideals and ideas about what we should be. In reality who we think we are and what we actually are is totally different.

  • @coolalanc
    @coolalanc3 жыл бұрын

    the very space of perception is different from the person who is experiencing the perception..then there is division.. then there is conflict...we r looking thru a a prism

  • @user-qs8cn5gz3c
    @user-qs8cn5gz3c4 ай бұрын

    the question of pupul is very beautiful and nice

  • @Sanjay14728

    @Sanjay14728

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes. What she asked was also my question was

  • @robertopuccianti8498
    @robertopuccianti84983 жыл бұрын

    🌻💙💥🙏

  • @thejvmaster
    @thejvmaster8 ай бұрын

  • @koenrosendaal3687
    @koenrosendaal36873 жыл бұрын

    wow! "the now than is nothing" (Really resonate with that one ;) ) 39:43

  • @garryfitzgerald6233

    @garryfitzgerald6233

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would even go further, it's a quite a shock when one realises that nothing is real but experience.

  • @codelicious6590
    @codelicious65902 жыл бұрын

    It would be great if the volume could go higher

  • @maheshwargade
    @maheshwargade4 ай бұрын

    "SOUND IS THE TREE"

  • @AmitKumar-uu4ni
    @AmitKumar-uu4ni4 жыл бұрын

    34:45 to 35:25 is the ultimate truth.its so simple hence seems un imaginable to humanity.

  • @meghan42

    @meghan42

    4 жыл бұрын

    It seem to be about love.

  • @renukatandon7463
    @renukatandon7463 Жыл бұрын

    soundless sound of nothingness that contains all . BEAUTIFUL thanks ..AII who REALLY LISTEN to u SIR achieve that state....but for how long is the question i must ask myself.THANKS FOR ALL THE EFFORT .

  • @lucarinaldi01
    @lucarinaldi0110 күн бұрын

    So if one bases their claims on previous knowledge through a system which has the purpose of ensuring that the information is accurate through experimentation, one is bound to the instruments of observation, hence ties their understanding of the world to technology: if I am only going to consider that which is demonstrable according to the technology of this period, then I am tied to it to discover any truth, also that which might be beyond it, and unprovable through it. This might be another trick of the brain to remain within the area of the known, and therefore cling to the age-old structure of the self; from that position of holding on and self-enclosure, the brain projects images of comforting divinities and illusory experiences which are still within the field of what it knows. So the brain lives in its own illusions to avoid letting go of its own self-perpetuating processes, and finding out truths that are entirely beyond, outside of its field of experience, and which it cannot ''contain'', so to say, but only feebly attempt to collect. It is like attempting to put a tornado in a jar: the jar would shatter in a thousand pieces, and meditation does exactly this to the ancient structures of the brain, which are careful assessment, distrustful pragmatism, fear of madness as established by societal parameters, and so on. So it can be said that knowledge is a device invented by the brain to generate an illusion of continual expansion from a center it calls ''myself'', just like the Roman Empire would, and wants to be certain that any movement it does away from the cerebral center it calls ''me'' is absolutely safe; there are multiple centers it calls ''me'', all in contradiction and feebly connected with each other, and the totality of these structures, which is a bundle of memories based on past sensation, is identity. So the brain is also afraid of itself, of seeing itself and understanding its totality, for doing so means the dissolution of the structures that inhabit it, and release of energy back into the system; and within it are structures which are afraid of each other, for they are in continual conflict to pull energy towards themselves, and accomplish the specific goal of that center. In the same way, human beings throughout the whole world, and throughout centuries and millennia, have identified themselves with their personal memories, desires and ambitions within a group, with a larger group within a city, with a region within a nation, with a continent within the Earth, and so on, each of these in conflict with the rest of them. The way in which our thoughts are organised within the brain is the same way in which humans have organised themselves in the world throughout history.

  • @nitinnangnurkar2840
    @nitinnangnurkar2840 Жыл бұрын

    25june 1983

  • @coolalanc
    @coolalanc3 жыл бұрын

    we r a prejudiced mind...that mind is making all the judgements based on the thousands of years of conditioning which is made by thought..and thought is deceiving...and she just doesn't get it

  • @RaushanKumar-sd5qn
    @RaushanKumar-sd5qn2 жыл бұрын

    I Love JK, guys listen from 1:02:01 onwards You will start hearing extraordinary

  • @phillvandersky6254
    @phillvandersky62543 жыл бұрын

    More you want to understand, less you see

  • @Vjy551573
    @Vjy5515733 жыл бұрын

    Pupul is making a simple thing terribly complex.

  • @DihelsonMendonca
    @DihelsonMendonca3 жыл бұрын

    PLEASE ! - I still didn´t understand the most part, which is apparently so simple for other people. What exactly he meant ? He separates the brain and the mind. He assumes that all the misery, pain, problems are caused by time-thought. Thought is the product of the conditioned brain over millions of years. So, what is the mind ? Who produces the mind ? Where is the mind ? Is there any place on human level that is "eternal", as she asked in the beginning ? Would it be only in "mind" ? Can you explain ?

  • @HeySadEye

    @HeySadEye

    3 жыл бұрын

    What I could understand from his talks is that the mind functions in the now and that now is eternal.Now cannot exists in future nor in past hence time is eliminated.Thought is a tool of understanding and in sincere observation the need for thought becomes obsolete and the observation itself acts as understanding.You don’t need thought to understand the taste of salt that is when your attention is undivided.

  • @coder8i

    @coder8i

    2 жыл бұрын

    Suggest searching for some of what David Bohm had to say and talks with JK. The interaction of the two is helpful for building a bridge.

  • @AmitKumar-cv1yn

    @AmitKumar-cv1yn

    2 жыл бұрын

    brain is a device,mind is software, memory is programmed hardware

  • @ANilSirr
    @ANilSirr3 ай бұрын

    45:59 ( I'm verbal illusion) 53:15 ( Indian tradition)

  • @TheBobobobob123
    @TheBobobobob1232 жыл бұрын

    38:00 1:04:00

  • @KINGJUNAID555
    @KINGJUNAID55511 ай бұрын

    8:04

  • @cutyoursoul4398
    @cutyoursoul43983 жыл бұрын

    Funny how she repeats things she has heard from J K without a trace of real understanding. Sad to see this intellectual blindness

  • @adrianlee3497
    @adrianlee34978 күн бұрын

    What if "God" doesn't know that it's "God?" And what if Pupul's right that it's all an illusion/dream? The ego *is* a very devious thing because it's sensation oriented and it will get you to do anything to keep itself alive.

  • @endlessvoid1918
    @endlessvoid19182 жыл бұрын

    We're all Pupul. Let's stop pretending we really understand a single thing. If we did, most likely we wouldn't be here commenting ;)

  • @ratanaun2960

    @ratanaun2960

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm that. Clueless and can't comprehend a thing this man said...

  • @kamalhalder4106

    @kamalhalder4106

    2 жыл бұрын

    100% agree.we are same like pupulji.we dont understand simple thing.we make it very complex.our brain does it all the time.then we seek answer.

  • @drumsound108

    @drumsound108

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂😂exactly

  • @dickson4036
    @dickson40363 жыл бұрын

    Krish fried her brain

  • @ratanaun2960

    @ratanaun2960

    2 жыл бұрын

    He is frying mine and it's frustrating 😒. One day, may I see what he is talking about.

  • @herewego009
    @herewego0092 жыл бұрын

    54:25 57:02

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