Science asks questions that might never be answered; religion preaches answers that must never be questioned.

Rudy is the best demonstration of the Douglas Adams' quote "If humans stop exercising their mouths, their brains start working".

@CyberBeep_kenshi

2 жыл бұрын

lol nice

@johnsperry9494

2 ай бұрын

@@CyberBeep_kenshi 42

every theist call ever - panel deconstructs theists point. Caller; "Right, let me disregard that and just move on to my next point anyway"

@belaireguy4117

4 жыл бұрын

Or worse, "at the end of the day, you will believe or not what you want and so will I." Ugh........................Ugh. Brilliant. (sarc)

@RonLarhz

4 жыл бұрын

I KNOW RIGHT?!!!!!! Literally nthg more to say bcos they are only being broken records. Btw, matt would have cut them gg off. Idk what talk heathen goal/trying to achieve with indulging them.

@jeffperkins9837

4 жыл бұрын

@You're Gonna Hate This as much as Kent is dishonest about so much, he is honest about that one thing. That feels a lot like congratulating a serial killer for deciding to leave one person in dorms alive though

@observationsincars5083

4 жыл бұрын

I actually liked this caller he at least has a healthy mind enough to question his own beliefs but id say hes in the last stage of being a christian one step further and hes an atheist. This is how all of us were before we became atheists.

@sallyharris4516

4 жыл бұрын

Right !!!

Religion cost men 20 years of my own identity and living the way I thought I should....now I'm almost 40 and having to deal with overcoming the programming. And I get upset thinking about how much money I've given...thousands! You pay a HEAVY price sometimes...

@jamesyoung1022

4 жыл бұрын

@The Family Spot You are not alone. The best years of my life were wasted having dedicated my life to a bunch of false beliefs. The religious indoctrination of children should be against the law.

@mikepanick468

4 жыл бұрын

@IVAN KRAWEC They all ask for dollars. LOTS of dollars.

@mikepanick468

4 жыл бұрын

I paid a heavy price and so have others. I married a woman trying to prove I am not Gay. That ended horribly. I became an alcoholic to have sex with men and a woman. Tthen I drank to forget what I did. I spent years in and out of psych wards over being Gay. I lost a lover because his family drove him to suicide for being Gay, Somebody tell me how religion has NO costs. I will call him a liar to his face.

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

The Family Spot. . 1 month ago. . Religion cost men 20 years of my own identity and living the way I thought I should....now I'm almost 40 and having to deal with overcoming the programming. And I get upset thinking about how much money I've given...thousands! You pay a HEAVY price sometimes.... 5 replies. 47 likes. Were you jehovah witness

@raysalmon6566

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Panick. . 2 days ago. . I paid a heavy price and so have others. I married a woman trying to prove I am not Gay. That ended horribly. I became an alcoholic to have sex with men and a woman. Tthen I drank to forget what I did. I spent years in and out of psych wards over being Gay. I lost a lover because his family drove him to suicide for being Gay, Somebody tell me how religion has NO costs. I will call him a liar to his face.. . 1 like. Your problem are the result of your own stupidity

I was waiting for one of them to refute Rudy’s opening question about “choosing” to be an atheist. We do not “choose” to lose the capacity to believe claims unsupported by evidence.

@Limey1212

4 жыл бұрын

Yes they should have called that out. But to be fair he started to "Gish gallop" and they did rein that in for the most part.

@belaireguy4117

4 жыл бұрын

Correct, and being honest is our downfall............................o.k., I'm good with that.

Rudy needs to slow down on the adderall

@ScornedOne1080

4 жыл бұрын

He needs to learn to breathe through his nose too.

@jkar1747

4 жыл бұрын

I know his terribly fast paced voice drives me insane!

@DustinTheDickShow

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah for real for real lol

This guy talks faster than he thinks.

@FMB_Bmg

4 жыл бұрын

I think he is just nervous. He sounds like a genuinely nice guy.

@sandwitchchan1999

4 жыл бұрын

I think a person in a coma talks faster then he thinks

this guy, and people like him, are the reason many con artists are millionaires...crazy world..

@MsDjessa

4 жыл бұрын

Also, imagine how difficult it would be to lure people into cults, if the cult leaders would have to start from scratch and make people think that supernatural existed. Moderate religion has already made that first step for them.

@MsDjessa

4 жыл бұрын

@Ad Lockhorst I bet it is. Not impossible but I bet it is harder.

@Scalesti

4 жыл бұрын

I’m in the wrong business.

@desiderata8811

4 жыл бұрын

TANIA CRAWFORD. If you found a new religion, I can be the accounting guy 😁

@tysondog843

4 жыл бұрын

"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits." --Dan Barker, former evangelist

If Rudy speaks less and listens more, he'll learn a lot of things and his inane notion of "those not comprehended are supernatural" WILL change.

I'm 2 minutes in and I'm exhausted listening to this guy. He's like an automatic weapon on sustained fire. Maybe he'll run out of ammunition soon.

@electricbadgercollc8146

4 жыл бұрын

Automatic weapon on sustained fire...shooting blanks:).

@bigskypioneer1898

4 жыл бұрын

Nailed It. Rudy the cyclone. Gish Gallop much?

@Scalesti

4 жыл бұрын

ElectricBadgerCo LLC 😂😂shooting blanks

@kayem3824

4 жыл бұрын

He has to sell his quota of Jesus bottles for the day.

@LeighDWYC

4 жыл бұрын

Duncan Bryson don’t worry. All his bullets are blanks. Damn... people got there before me 🤣

It doesn't cost anything? I'm gay and trans, so... come again? Even if I went to a church that is accepting, there will still be the book telling me that I should actually be killed. Also, I appreciate mixed fabrics

@seanbirch9663

4 жыл бұрын

Gay AND trans? So what's the end result?

@Marc-rx5xg

4 жыл бұрын

@@seanbirch9663 what do you mean? I'm a trans guy and am into dudes, pretty self explanatory

@seanbirch9663

4 жыл бұрын

@@Marc-rx5xg It is, if you add guy and dudes ;) Until now I only knew "trans".

@devb9912

4 жыл бұрын

don't care about your orientation at all... but mixed fabrics???!!! Have you no shame?

@thecentralscrutinizer

4 жыл бұрын

I think rudy is gay too.

It should always be remembered that beliefs inspire actions. Some of those actions may be very evil. That's why what we believe is extremely important.

@brogannew1559

4 жыл бұрын

James Young you said that perfectly!

@krisaaron5771

4 жыл бұрын

Stealing this. Excellent comment!!

@dalekillion1

4 жыл бұрын

James Young Agreed. So you’re saying someone believing God doesn’t exist inspires action too. Does that belief inspire good or evil?

@krisaaron5771

4 жыл бұрын

@@dalekillion1 For atheists, it's less a matter of "belief" that a deity doesn't exist and more an issue of waiting for evidence that a deity DOES exist. The theists are making incredible claims about their various gods. The non-theists are saying "show me equally incredible evidence." Until said evidence is forthcoming, the smart money is on glitter-farting unicorns.

@dalekillion1

4 жыл бұрын

Kris Aaron That belief still goes to motives. If you reverence God as being the origin of morality, in my case Christ, then you think differently than if you get to make up your own brand of morality. Frankly, I don’t see atheists working very hard to find evidence for Gods existence. Most want, but really don’t want, to be spoon fed information so they don’t have to research for themselves. I can demonstrate how it works if you’d like. I’ll point to some claims for miracles and you’ll stop short of actually pursuing the information well enough to dispute the claims. Then you’ll claim victory after not doing the work. Want to play?

I really really appreciate Rudy's recognition that they had good points at the end.

Rudy: Whys should I be an atheist? Intellectual honesty...

"It's 2020 right and most of our minds are prittty open, you believie what you believe and i believe what i believe...." - yep, problem....

"Have you heard of Pascal's Wager?" "I have not." FART SOUND Put down the coffee Rudy and get on the internet and do some homework.

@Bailer86

4 жыл бұрын

how do you do homework on something you have never heard of or have no concept of? I have never heard of Pascal's Wager until recently. there was no way I could learn about it because it was unknown to me

@justifano7046

4 жыл бұрын

@@Bailer86 omg what an idiot. How did you not know about something you didn't even know about? Lmao (insert hurr durr God made dumb dumb imma pretentious atheist)

@justifano7046

4 жыл бұрын

Can you explain the issue of pascals wager if it's not pigeonholed solely to Christianity?

@seanjones2456

4 жыл бұрын

@@justifano7046 You apparently have access to the internet, try to use it. There are answers out there. "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

@justifano7046

4 жыл бұрын

@@seanjones2456 I've already looked it up. Couldn't find anything in objection other than "what about the other gods?" Was hoping you'd be able to provide something

My wager is... the next caller on the list is Otangelo

I don't believe. It's not a matter of choice. That's what my brain has told me even as a child. For me to profess belief would be insincere, and presumably an all powerful deity would know this.

@twig8523

4 жыл бұрын

That's a good, but frequently overlooked point. It's not a choice, it takes being convinced.

@poppopN

4 жыл бұрын

Yep your mind just changes beliefs when you are been presented with some kind of information but you have no control over this proccess

@unturbe

4 жыл бұрын

Janine Carson You are a kindred spirit.

His 2nd definition of "supernatural" translates directly to "ignorance".

I'm from Indiana, sadly these kinds of people are everywhere.

You guys have a level of patience I can't even achieve in a million years.

The Natural World, a mountain to climb because you can… Religion, a mountain of wishful thinking because you can’t,

@fatalgravity

4 жыл бұрын

Well said.

When it's more than a gish gallop it's a Rudy rush!

@SuperRand13

4 жыл бұрын

I like that, "Rudy Rush". Until now i'd been using Shapiro Sprint.

@Scalesti

4 жыл бұрын

SuperRand13 Shapiro sprint😂😂I like that.

I honestly believe organized religion has ACTUALLY held back mankind as a whole, from unity and understanding of each other as a species. It is literally one of the earliest form of division and demonization. Just imagine how far we could be if instead of 3 or 4 thousand years of fighting over RELIGION. We as a species took that time to just work on understanding and acceptance of each other, this world would be a far better place. THAT IS THE COST OF RELIGION AND THE INVISIBLE SKY WIZARD SUPERSTITIONS.

Love how dude in glasses slowed down the WHOLE thing, soooo laid back

As I believe Christopher Hitchens once said: ''Salvation can be yours, at the low cost of your critical thinking''

THANK YOU so much for accurately and succinctly describing the incredible cost to those of us who were raised to be “good Christian women.”

@donfette5301

10 ай бұрын

The way Rudy 1000% ignored her comments on this was sickening and infuriating.

Painful, letting him ramble on is painful.

@ginagamba

4 жыл бұрын

Eric (sp?) is such a patient dude.

I think that was an awesome call. This is the good that honesty does. It's ok to ask question, it is ok to not know something. Be honest with yourself and others, be open minded... and of course, don't be an asshole.

" It costs nothing to have a religion" Never heard of tithing?

@DymondLoves

4 жыл бұрын

Good point!

@ajcristo4679

4 жыл бұрын

Alvaro Goenaga Tithing is optional jackass, get your facts straight

@gou0630

4 жыл бұрын

@@ajcristo4679 it is optional jackass, but there is social pressure to always give something, way to ignore facts.

@h.w.6563

4 жыл бұрын

@@ajcristo4679 Im germany you pay church tax - not optional. I left church so I don't have to pay it anymore, just because my family signed me up for that.

@ajcristo4679

4 жыл бұрын

Henning van Wershofen The reason Atheists don't believe the gospel is not a cognitive problem, it is an spiritual one-they are spiritually blind (John 3:3). In other words, it isn't a rational decision they make, it is an emotional choice: they don't want God to exist. But they know he exists and hold the truth in unrighteousness - they live in denial of reality (Romans 1:18-22)

I have a picture of Jesus that my grandmother gave me. My grandmother was real The picture is real The person in the picture is not...

@joeykiller

4 жыл бұрын

you are one dirty angel lol

@dirtyangel6557

4 жыл бұрын

@@joeykiller Rotten to the core 👍

@dirtyangel6557

4 жыл бұрын

@Raymond Palmer Same things have been going on for thousands/ millions of years

@dirtyangel6557

4 жыл бұрын

@Raymond Palmer According to your BEEBLE

@dirtyangel6557

4 жыл бұрын

@Raymond Palmer You can't proselytize me dude. Ok relax, make some popcorn, have a brew, goodbye...

Religion costs us rationality and a functioning morality.

It costs nothing? When all you have is your one life fam...it costs EVERYTHING. Religion isnt content with the occasional prayer, its a worldview that insidiously takes over every aspect of ones life when taken seriously.

Eric's voice is pure Bob Ross to my ears.

@DymondLoves

4 жыл бұрын

Him and seth Andrews! So soothing.

Wow love you guys. When the host finally insisted on finishing a sentence there was good cause . I LOVE how he didn't start arguing the definition of atheist. Shows passion and understanding. Used actual logic to argue his claims rather than a weird twisted perversion of logic Thanks so much

Plying good people with guilt and shame that they do not deserve is surely an insidious cost!

Cost me hundreds of hours of my time until I got old enough to refuse to go to church.

Religion cost the humanity a lot throughout our history and continues to cost us in lives, knowledge, technological advancement and much more.

First time I see Jen. She did very well. Awesome show. Much love here from Denmark

He's got wayyyy more patience with Rudy than I would! 😂 I already LOVE their rebuttals!

“I would rather have questions that can’t be answered than answers that can’t be questioned.” -- Richard Feynman “Just because I don’t understand something, that doesn’t mean I’m willing to chalk it up to some fairy tale.” -- (TV Matt Murdoch/ Daredevil) (This is one of my all-time favorite quotes!)

I have something as an atheist that I could not have when religious, and it's worth everything: I don't have to lie to myself.

A common factor I find among the religious is a complete lack of desire to discover if what they believe is actually true. This is only one of the reasons I am not religious, although it's a damn good one.

13:05 "Can you remember a story in the Bible when things were written in stone or on stone?" "No." But... the 10 Commandments? He forgot about the Commandments!

@B4LLB49

2 ай бұрын

Yea . That part got me 😂 Then he said he hardly ever went to church so I doubt he really ever even looked into any religious texts. I think Rudy just thinks If he believes in some kind of god he’ll be ok and not end up eternally damned. Pure ignorance on his side and I imagine there’s so so many people exactly like Rudy in the USA.

I don't choose to be an atheist. I choose to not believe your claim of knowing the unknowable. Of defining the indefinable. Of putting those together and pretending to have a moral high ground. Atheism is not a choice, it is a passive stance without claim.

I don't see many theists have the same attitude like Rudy. Hope you're having a good life, Rudy. The name's Rudy but not rude.

The incredible shrinking god

While it is true that the cost/benefit analysis does not matter, I wish that there had been more discussion of the cost. The cost of religion is freedom, in all its forms... but especially basic human rights. For people like Rudy, who have never been forced to pay that price, it is a vital lesson to learn.

you don't "choose" what you believe

As a non-believer I would say that "advantage" of this state is to take my own responsibility for all what I'm doing/thinking. Being a "good person" every day is a hard work.

Privilege stated perfectly: I don't see a problem because religion doesn't cost ME anything.

Genuinely believing that imaginary beings exist absolutely has an impact on what you say/do. Every single thing a person believes has a "cost" associated with it. Beliefs inform our actions. And our actions have consequences, I don't care if it's 2020.

@JesseTheGameDev

4 жыл бұрын

@Ad Lockhorst Correct! And because of the fact many people believe in them, an entire financial system has been built around it; people trade it, talk about it, etc. As I said, believing in things has an impact on what you say/do.

@ScornedOne1080

4 жыл бұрын

@@JesseTheGameDev the belief isn't what matters, what matters is the actions you take with respect to those beliefs. If a person jumps off a cliff under the belief that they'll fly (and not having any safeties, etc), then it's clear that belief is harmful and self destructive.

Another problem with Pascal's wager is that Pascal forgot to consider all the possibilities. What if there's a god, and he only lets atheists into heaven? Eric made a mistake giving only two options - god or no god. In reality there are thousands and thousands of gods that people have made up, and you have to choose the right one somehow.

@rageofheaven

4 жыл бұрын

He covered that. Regardless, pascal concluded that there's no rational reason for believing in any god.

@michaeldahnke1749

4 жыл бұрын

@@rageofheaven Pascal believed that the wager was a rational justification for believing in god, based upon probability theory, but that there was no and could be no rational argument to prove the existence of god.

@michaeldahnke1749

4 жыл бұрын

Let me be a little more precise. Pascal believed that the wager was a rational justification for trying to believe in god. Belief doesn't follow from the wager itself but is supposed to provide a reason to follow the path toward belief.

@lil-al

4 жыл бұрын

If Allah is the one true god, guy is cooked.

Pascal's wager : If you are wrong as a theist, you have lived your whole life as a lie ! The life we both agree on actually exists, or the afterlife no one has ever shown to be there. I'd say the stakes are quite high. Saying you have no downside is shortsighted imo.

It costs EVERYTHING to have religion.

Rudy's "energy" is more likely a pharmaceutical.

They kind of breezed past something he said (and I can't fault them for that, because he was throwing out so much stuff at them at once, it makes it hard to land on anything but the highlights). He seemed to be saying something I've been hearing more frequently, and that is more people seem to think it really doesn't matter which religion or which god or gods you choose to believe in, because they think they all believe basically the same things. But that's not true at all. The beliefs of different religions can be extremely different and they would all probably claim that if you believed in any other religion, you would be damned. Same with the different denominations within the same religions. The people who go to those different churches believe those differences to be very important, or they would not have felt the need to break off into a different denomination. And I think the point they were trying to make for him is that if he happened to pick the wrong god, he would be going to Hell anyway (or maybe Hades or Stygia or whatever). And every religion and every denomination thinks they are the correct one, but they all have exactly the same amount of proof and evidence which is zero. So there really is no way of knowing for sure you picked the right one. So we may as well judge them all by the evidence which is not enough to be convinced of any of them.

I'm like 99% certain that Rudy is a *little* more than just excited >.>

Rudy sure likes moving the goalposts doesn't he?

I do love that he missed the “set in stone” thing

Wow this was a great and nice conversation.

I like the idea of "charitable listening." Gonna try practicing this. Thanks.

Sigh...I'm really tired of being surrounded by these people who have absolutely zero proof to believe anything they do. I have _nobody_ , not a single person to talk about my Atheism with anywhere around where I live and it's taking a very strong toll on my life! I need a group or anyone other than the unresponsive relative I live with to relate to. I live in Kansas.

I have OCD, and religion made it worse. The idea that thoughts can actually effect the physical world caused guilt when I couldn't control them. Also it made me pray a specific amount during the day that caused huge stress because it was so difficult with OCD. 5:58 With that definition, deep time and quantum particles can become supernatural.

@MsDjessa

4 жыл бұрын

@Dirk Knight I didn't say I wouldn't have it without religion. I explained why religion made it worse.

Great show, Rudy just went feet first into a bear trap with his unknowingly Pascal's Wager reference/argument as his reasoning for believing. Eric, did I see you drool for a brief second there? (sarc)

One way is "because I said so" The other, "Let's see what the so says".

Refreshing honesty from the caller.

“We could talk about (fill in the blank)” repeat repeat repeat as a way to attempt to decrease the other person’s point of view as well as foist you own nonsensical point upon the other. This comes after starting by saying “let’s have a civil conversation “. Hitchens said we are met these days with this smiling ingratiating face of religion, but let us never forget what they did when they had real power.

Rudy sounds like he's on the verge of hysterics.

Great job!

The biggest danger of religion in my opinion, is it provides an answer for a question. That means that you don't need to find the real answer. So all progression would stop because you already have the answer.

I get the feeling struggling theists see even the possibility of there being no god as too bleak and empty to contemplate. As an atheist I look at the wonders of nature and the universe and take great comfort in knowing I'm part of that amazing tapestry.. Its tangible and we can see it going on all around us.. One thing to consider is...The fact that we are here at all, tells us anything could happen after we're finished with this life... The cause of existence is beyond my pay grade so I have no choice but to accept I just don't know...

From the jump, there is a money cost to be Christian. It costs you 10% of your wages for life and any freewill donations they guilt you into on top of that when you're told that doing 10% is the bare minimum which is the bad type of person to be. Secondly having different Gods will change how you raise your kids.

The reason we are becoming more secular is that we are becoming less religious

Even if Pascal's wager was a valid argument, how can one force one's self believe something they just do not believe?

Every believer, i swear. "I don't know, you don't know, therefore I AM SURE a god exists". How the heck do you get certainty from uncertainty, i have no idea.

"You believe what you want to believe, I believe what I want to believe." Religious apologists in a nutshell right there. They admit that their beliefs are based on preference, what they want to be true, while at the same time projecting onto others that that's how they determine what they believe.

This reminds me of a Christopher Hitchens debate where he said to his opponent (paraphrasing), "Good sir. It's almost as if you're never availed yourself to the opposing arguments."

The fact he is more concerned with what he can get out of it than the truth (and being intellectually honest) is unfortunate.

Rudy giving a lice little meow at 1:40

There is an opportunity cost. Opportunity to treat loved ones the best you can instead of waiting for later, i.e. in the "afterlife."

Being delusional has it's costs.

Houston we have a problem. "Supernatural things require a God. Supernatural is defined by things I don't understand." Proceeds to demonstrate a lack of understanding of multiple fundamental issues. To be fair that is a basic representation of the God of the gaps positions, which isn't rare. Also, what are advantages to being Christian vs Atheist is a real question that many people consider, and it probably results in a lot of church attending atheists. How we portray our faith or lack of it, can have a tremendous impact on our lives. I love how Eric laser focused on beliefs for advantages vs beliefs for truth. Probably just as well to gloss over the issue of beliefs as choice in this conversation. Nice conversation that focused on important issues. It addressed a lot of common Christian ideas and some flaws in them. And the caller actually listened and learned. That last part gives hope for humanity.

Calculus is supernatural because I can’t wrap my head around it.

And for the Prosperity Gospel, it can cost EVERYTHING.

He was a good caller.. he was honest to himself

It should be a false equivalence, not equivocation. A false equivocation would be when one is not using different usages of a term in the premises. Equivocation is when one uses different usages in each premises (eg 1. all feathers are light 2. light is not dark). An equivalency is when one objects are treated equally, and a false equivalence would be more along the lines of: "both water and battery acid are liquid, so battery acid is good for your body when you drink it."

Rudy talks like a character from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia".

Science has no bounds and there's no end to what we can learn. Religion claims that we have all the answers we'll ever need. There's a fundamental under appreciation in today's society how much science and discovery has improved our lives for the better. Religion can never be a one size fits all solution as we can clearly observe around the world today the many different gods we had and have today. Why choose to be a sheep when we can be an immortal spacefaring civilisation forever discovering the crown jewels of the universe for all eternity.

Very nice to hear both sides respect eachother and are thankful for having a conversation about their differences in belief.

In some religions it cost a career - some rligions forbid cuniversity, some cost lives by not allowing blood transfusions, time - think of all the hours wasted going to church instead of trying to make the world a better place

It costs tithes, offerings, gifts, donations, voluntary service, lucrative career opportunities, my individuality and self-worth to be religious.

Oh, yes it does cost to have a religion! It cost me a lot--especially the Southern Baptist Church.

Someday we will manage to determine if religion is the cause...or the result...of insanity. Then we'll have a good chance to cure both.

Cost less not believing on something that lacks of evidence, it doesn't cross someone's mind like. "Why should I be an atheist?" There's now 'why', in my experience... it just happened.Before I read the bible, I was a catholic Christian. But when I finished read the whole bible completely page by page, I was an atheist.

Rudy was waiting for this call his entire life. Ruuudyyyy! Ruuudyyy! Ruuudyyy!

Ruuuuuuuuuudy!!!! Give one point at a time, please.

A person comes to a belief not by evaluating costs and benefits of a belief, but by accepting its premises. Even if there were only a few atheists in the world, they might fake believing for a benefits of fitting in, but accepting the premises of theism is an intellectual thing. And whether or not we will accept a premise depends on the tools we have in our critical thinking tool box. If the few atheists had tools that doesn't justify accepting the premises, that would never truly believe.

What about the cost to the children that have been molested due to religion?

Respecting a fellow human does not necessarily imply respecting bad ideas. Attacking a bad idea is not the same thing as attacking the human that chooses to associate with that idea.