the third brother was Sigmaron (alpha, sigma, omega). when scooped up by chaos gods, he was actually tossed into the realm of fantasy, and was later elevated to become the god emperor known as Sigmar.

@AmishEnmity

2 жыл бұрын

Actually. Yes.

@Tank-pl9hb

2 жыл бұрын

Susmar

@Drew_Thompson

2 жыл бұрын

i wrote a story with almost the same name and idea once.

@dra9onslayer

2 жыл бұрын

There's a theory that the Old Ones (the guys who fought the Necrontyr back in the day) created the world of Warhammer Fantasy as a sort of pocket dimension to test warp-based powers and sorcery among mortals, back in times when the warp was placid, pre-War in Heaven. Since getting slapped up by the Necrons and dying, the fantasy world became mostly isolated from the rest of the universe because the Old Ones are presumably the only ones with the knowledge to travel to this plane. Since the fantasy realm was created within the warp, it is touched by it. This explains how the chaos gods and some major daemons share influence between both the fantasy realm and the outside 40k realm. Though a bit of a stretch, and never to be officially confirmed, I could theoretically believe that Sigmar is a primarch, potentially even the third head of the hydra, put in the fantasy realm with no way to get out during the great warping when all the primarchs were scattered.

@GreatChickenGod

2 жыл бұрын

@@dra9onslayer and there are other references from other books that hint at the Warp being connected to both realities at the same time

After Guilliman exits the throne room, the third Hydra steps out from behind the golden throne: "Man that was close! Can't believe he fell for that!"

@Spartan135

2 жыл бұрын

Everything goes JUST.AS.PLANNED! 🤣

@scottlidstone1902

2 жыл бұрын

weekend at Bernie’s 40,000

@synergy8879

Жыл бұрын

mf was pulling a ventriloquist act over the big e

My personal theory is that alpharius is a perpetual and whenever he dies, his soul takes over an alpha legionnaire's body, thus making the entire legion the third head.

@hydradominatus3641

2 жыл бұрын

That would be cool but it wouldn't explain Omegon.

@nobobonobo

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydradominatus3641 Maybe because omegon has the other half of Alpharius' soul? They would thus act as an anchor to each other, to the material plane, preventing alpharius' soul from going into the warp after his death

@hydradominatus3641

2 жыл бұрын

@@nobobonobo Sounds overly complicated but cool nonetheless.

@nobobonobo

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydradominatus3641 overly complicated is the alpha legion MO

@hydradominatus3641

2 жыл бұрын

@@nobobonobo True.

Personal headcanon with the heads: one head for the primarchs, one for the astartes themselves and one for non astartes operatives to gather intel and set the stage

@scottlidstone1902

2 жыл бұрын

The heads are on different levels too.. maybe a nod to heirarchy. You... the Hydra Awakes

@davidthomas2870

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes the sewn men. That is a good point about the hydra iconography; we seem to know even less about these agents than we now know about the primarchs!

My headcanon here: After Alpharius and Omegon died, their souls became one and reborn as perpetual or able to assume control of any of his legionnaire. Thus making everyone and no one in his legion Alpharius, the third head that is both everywhere and nowhere.

Could be inclined to believe the Primarch Alpharius can transmit his conciousness into his sons at will.

@shamsulhaqramzi378

2 жыл бұрын

that would be an interesting theory

@akumaking1

2 жыл бұрын

So can he body surf a la Trazyn?

@Zerotrigger77

2 жыл бұрын

Funny you said this, I was just having a conversation with my dad about this. Seems like this may have been Alpharius's "gift" all along

@adammoore3703

2 жыл бұрын

Or if one of the two survives, the other possess an astaris as a method to revival...

@slavlord949

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a cool primarch power plus if the primarchs all have da emperors DNA den would that mean he has all there powers meaning he could do that thus bringing him back

My theory is that the third head is a trick. If someone finds out there are two primarchs, the third head will make them suspect a nonexistent third brother

@ThreeEyedMonkeyMan

2 жыл бұрын

Looks like it worked

@noname-do5wo

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like Alpharius

@inthefade

Жыл бұрын

That's just too perfectly Alpha Legion. My guess is there are four.

@akumakorgar

Жыл бұрын

My headcanon is that Omegon is an Alpha Legion trick. I always hated the idea of two Primarchs for the Alpha Legion, but it would be perfectly in line with the Alpha Legion to float the rumor that there was a second.

Also at one point rogal walked into a room where there were 3 marines, one on a throne at his side and another in the shadows, and rogal said he always knew which one was his brother, not knowing all 3 where his brothers

@Jadefox32

2 жыл бұрын

He probably meant who was a brother to him

@theprinceofcrows8691

Жыл бұрын

Good point, and one of my favorite pranks!

Rule of Thumb whenever Alpha Legion is around: Expect the unexpected and the unexpected is expected. We're never going to get a grip on them, because everything known is just another means to an end.

The Emps has been keeping himself on the golden throne because of the 2 missing primarchs! Imagine when their mother turns up at the golden gate and claims over 10,000 years of child support from the Big E absent father!!! He made the Custodes to stop her! Another great upload Rho

@mikemoore2791

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🙃💯

@philanselmo2904

2 жыл бұрын

Lol mommy was way more absent than daddy in this case, for we don't even know who mommy was. Daddy was out crusading the galaxy with his boys, putting in work raising a bunch of demigods... and mommy? No idea. Maybe on a 10,000 year drunken bender. Heck, daddy even went out and found his boys one by one - *_personally_* . Once again, where was mommy? Probably shacking up with an intergalactic truck driver she met the night before. If anyone owes child support, it's mommy - whoever or whatever mommy is.

@augustuslunasol10thapostle

2 жыл бұрын

@@philanselmo2904 we know who mommy was we also know she lives on terra with a proto Astartes

@YuGiOhAbridgeFAN

2 жыл бұрын

@@philanselmo2904 We know who she is. She is considered the most powerful non-augmented Perpetual. She also had a really cool story going on till GW does what it does best and completely forgets she exists.

@notsocrazytank707

2 жыл бұрын

@@YuGiOhAbridgeFAN Didn't E ask to sacrifice herself to bring Malcador back?

The emperor was aware of the second one as evident in the story where he plays the last game with Malcador

You have a point in this video, Rho. Nothing is true, everything is retconnable. The Alpha Legion can be anything GW wants them to be.

I always saw the three headed hydra of the alpha legion as: 1 Alpharius 2 Omegon and 3 The Legion

@windhamearl4544

2 жыл бұрын

That seems to be the general consensus

The Alpha Legion is already a mind screw as is; the last thing we need is more Tzeentch-levels of warp-fuckery.

@Damien_N

2 жыл бұрын

I bet Tzeentch is sitting watching the Alpha legion thinking “these guys are so much more interesting than my boring magic dust zombies”

@EthanKristopherHartley

2 жыл бұрын

@@Damien_N... and taking notes! 😁

It was me, alpha-alpharius this whole time!

@starrius

2 жыл бұрын

And would of got away with it if it wasn't for you pesky space marines

@theanathema3062

2 жыл бұрын

No it was I, CATO SICARIOUS THE MOST IMPORTANT LEADER OF THE ULTRAMARINES SECOND COMPANY AND NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT BODYGUARD OF THE GREAT ROBUTE GULLIMAN, WHO IS I, CATO SICARIOUS.

@theUKgamer101

2 жыл бұрын

No it is I, Omegapharius

@Arachnid0X

2 жыл бұрын

You bought it ! the Emperor bought it! Chaos bought it! The legion bought it! YOU ALL BOUGHT IT!

@theanathema3062

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arachnid0X what did I buy and can I have a receipt

I always took the third head as meaning the legion itself

The mythical hydra is usually depicted with 3 heads. Edit: Could Alpharius/Omega have a special psychic link with their sons that allows them to transfer their conscience (s) to new bodies? Some Alpha legion marines essentially look just like their primarchs. Therefore, specially modified Alpha-legion Astartes would make the perfect vessel for their primarch's conscience, incase either Alpharius or Omegon fell in battle.

@Irishman1861

2 жыл бұрын

actually this is backedd by lore. i think it was during the heresy that alpharius transfered his consciousness into one of his legionaries

@CharmS354

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, Kel Silonius during the battle of Pluto. It's a rabbit hole of mind copy madness.

@Irishman1861

2 жыл бұрын

@@CharmS354 hince why the third head is the legion and why they all made them selves appear to be alpharius in name and appearance was so that he could transfer to any of the and still be himself

@ordohereticus5530

2 жыл бұрын

@@Irishman1861 Albeit without a primarchs body

I've always theorised about ingo pech being the third head , interesting discussions to be had . As he was described as being slightly taller than other alpha legionaries, also when dorn meets alpharius I believe he was using omegon and ingo pech first captian as decoys seeing if rogal knew which one was him . Also pech was at the battle of Pluto under harrowmaster kel selonius so 🤷 also its a possibility that dorn killed pech at the battle for Pluto and not alpharius .

So expanding on the "the 2 forgotten Primarchs are Alpharius's twins" line: Big E built each Primarch to be the way they are so Alpha/Omega were planned, add to this that the loyal/traitor Primarchs each tend to have a mirror to each other. So if Omega is one of the forgotten, who said the Alpha Legion were the only Hyrda?

Alright, if we are doing crazy theories then we gotta do the Kel Silonius one. Long and short, when Alpharius died at pluto he had a brain copy made of Kel to put on top of himself using crazy alpha psycher secrets. And in the book it's heavily implied that Kel got some Alpharius memories, it's just not explained how much. Toss that in with the whole "stealing pure geneseed research and not giving it to Bile" thing, and now you've got Alpharius and Omegon both secretly alive. Omegon trying to fight Choas (and possibly the Imperium) with perfected super marines, and Alpharius infiltrating the research trying to make himself a new body to get the rest of his soul back. Or maybe working together? Idk man, it's nuts but the books make it possible. Plus it'd be an awesome explanation for why the Alpha legion is simultaneously unbeatable and also absolute pushovers. They are to busy fighting themselves!

@em4rtzz

2 жыл бұрын

what book is that from?

@CharmS354

2 жыл бұрын

Praetorian of Dorn. Pretty sure that's the same one where Dorn also says he can sense Alpharius and trickery doesn't work on him. The author was going for a whole thing about the power of truth or whatever. Pretty fun read.

Head of the Hydra is one of the best 40k stories.

I can't wait for sigmar to be revealed as the third head

@slavlord949

2 жыл бұрын

No

@HammarPwnsYourFace

2 жыл бұрын

But yes 👍

Plot twist: Alpharius and Omegon weren't actually Primarchs. They were known to be 'the same height as their Astartes sons' however, I put forward my theory. Alpharius and Omegon were actually enhanced Astartes under orders to 'become' the twin Primarchs, while the Alpha Legions true Primarch remains unseen and unknown to all but The Emperor, which is why he allowed them to take The Beacon.

@Scott90314

2 жыл бұрын

Well in Head of Hydra we learned a key piece of information Alpharius has the ability of affect how others perceive him specifically in his height allowing him to move without being given away as a 9 plus foot demi-god. The emperor himself recognized Alpharius as his son, and dorn's ability to calm the warp made Alpharius ability to transform useless.

@JD86Vintage

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scott90314 that book literally starts with “I am Alpharius. This is a lie” 😂🤣😂 I love the story, it’s brilliant and explains so much. But… It’s told by Alpharius and Omegon, so the whole thing could be utter truth or just a blatant lie 😂

@Scott90314

2 жыл бұрын

@@JD86Vintage Well to be fair the whole thing does start with a lie, as the opening of the book is actually the end. He most is defiantly not he is Omegon posing as Alpharius. Don't get me wrong im sure there is infact some misleading, but it is my opinion that they are gearing up for a retcon making Omegon the traitor and Alpharius the loyalist while making the one who died Omegon rather than Alpharius. It would make sense because of a either a clue or a oversight by the author Omegon in the old lore possessed a plain suit of power armor of unknown origin that not even Alpharius knew about, but in HOH it was Alpharius who had the plain power armor.

New theory, Dorn never killed Alpharius. Alpharius killed Dorn and cosplayed as him the rest of the time. Every move the traitors made was because "Dorn" had his legion on the inside. It's why his hand was only found, and his other actions seem weird.

@Spartan135

2 жыл бұрын

that would ruin the tts Rogal.

@____________838

2 жыл бұрын

YES.

@geneawisea2708

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a Badass Theory! 👍

My personal theory is that Magnus, after the burning of Prospero, attempted to time travel and destroy Russ during incubation but was thwarted by Russ’ innate defenses to chaos and instead Magnus scattered all the Primarchs producing a time paradox…including himself btw. And During the scattering, Magnus’ sorcery caused Alpharius to split into three different versions of himself reflective of the three viewpoints Magnus held on the Heresy: One loyal to Chaos, one Loyal to the Emperor still, and one loyal only to himself and his legion; Thus the Three Headed Hydra was born.

@claydud271

2 жыл бұрын

I mean in the Horus novels it’s Horus that scatters them when his poisoned with the chaos virus, then seize of terra makes it something to do with the mother of the primarchs doing the scattering

I think the 3rd head represents the legion itself, all of whom refer to themselves as alpharius

@hydradominatus3641

2 жыл бұрын

Same.

@MrJara1018

2 жыл бұрын

That makes sense

@jkee9760

2 жыл бұрын

Or there was only alpharius, who split himself into omagon, and has the ability to essentially split himself into more and more making his legion him and himself his legion

@hydradominatus3641

2 жыл бұрын

@@jkee9760 Like Ultron and his Robots? Lol. Cool theory but Omegon is certainly a separate entity so that Theory is DOA.

@jkee9760

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydradominatus3641 so alpharius would have you think. Omeagon is just the majority sliver of alpharion

Well, aside from Alpharius being able to just disguise himself as, or body swap with, his legionnaires, each and every one of their legionnaires is surgically altered to look identical to and trained to function the same as their primarchs. Their intention was always for their legion to be able to be effective and functional no matter the situation, as any legionnaire can fill quite literally *any* role at the drop of a hat.

You have to wonder where Omegon got his armour from in Head of the Hydra before Alpharius found him

We all are the third head of the hydra, we are Alparius. Hydra Dominatus

@HammarPwnsYourFace

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Alpharius. Well said. -Hydra Dominatus

in the first heretic argal tarl goes into the chamber that has all the primaches in there gestation pods to destroy the warp shield/gelafield sending the primarchs in to space, he comments on some of the pods, 2 and 11 and 20 when it comes to the 20 pod he points out the presence of two beings in one pod

Feels like they are doing what may be the case with the minotaurs and that they kinda drop a consciousness into a whole new body

The third head represents the legion, as the twins can take any body in the legion as their own.

- reads the title Me: bruh the third head is the legion itself ya git.

The Third brother is Cypher. He was to infiltrate the Dark Angels, and learn their secrets. While Alpharius was the noted primarch of the Alpha legion, his other brother's were listed as the unknown primarchs. While Omegon may have been learned about later, Cypher was a deep plant, never meant to be learned of. This is why he is able to slip in and out of everywhere, including the Emperor's palace. He is most likely still working both sides to bring about the best outcome for the Emperor.

My understanding is that A and Ω represent the Twins while ∑ stood for the Legion or "the Sum".

Alpha.. Sigma.. Omega. Sigma.. Sigmar...SIGMAR??? 😳

My thought was that two of the heads represent the twins and the third head is their legion as the twins were small in stature so any of their astartes could pretend to be them, therefore the third head represents all of their legion astartes that can claim to be Alpharius

3rd is a veteran Legionaire given a dose of both primarch's blood, thus he would represent everything of the legion thus the sigma skull

They could have easily given the hydra 2 heads on the logo tho. Maybe the fact that it has 3 heads was them leaving the option open for a 3rd brother.

At this point, one thing that is clear, the Emperor has so many secrets I don't think even Malcador knew what most of them are, and he was a key part of of the whole process of building the Imperium. One thing stands out though, the Alpha Legion was the Emperor's secret Legion, known yet unknown, from top to bottom.

What if the Alpha Legion can replace their primarch via geneseed just like space marines can? Say Alpharius dies and his legion recovers his geneseed, only to place it in a worthy heir and create a NEW APLHARIUS, who inherits the memories and personality of his primogenitor. A new head rises when the old one is cut off

What if Alpharius is Alpharius going forward in time and Omegon is omegon going backwards in time? Would that mean that the third hydra is the higs boson?

@Extrabitz

2 жыл бұрын

Ya. I always thought it had to do with time. Like the warp has no time. So they're both the same, just from a different time. Alpha being the beginning or first, Omega, being end or last. And if something happened to one, the other would be a anchor to the other to leap forward and back through time. And they share memories because they are the same, just in different time.

@Ginlock45

2 жыл бұрын

@@Extrabitz the alpha legion is both a particle and a wave.

There's a whole bunch of Alpha Legion ptimarchs. There's John Wick(He was content living out his life after the Horus Heresy as a farmer on an agri world until some traitor astartes cyclonic torpedoed his dog), B A Barraccus(He really hates warp travel to the point that they have to drug his milk to knock him out), Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted "Theodore" Logan(They're trying to compose the perfect song that will make the Chaos Gods chill out and bring peace to the multiverse, but are currently stumped), Twilight Sparkle(Their gestation pod got flung across the multiverse where they almost instantly transformed into a purple cartoon pony with OCD and anxiety, a shard of the Void Dragon[who also had their memories scrambled] is trying to help him/her), Kevin D Roundtree(His gestation capsule got flung backwards in time where he became the CEO of GW, currently the Chaos Gods of Greed and Stupidity have him in their thrall), and last but not least, Rodney James Dio(Need I say more?).

What about the time Horus tried to say the name of a lost Primarch in front of Alpharius and Malcador?

@claydud271

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t in Horus khan and like gilly

@limitlessnrg1818

2 жыл бұрын

@@claydud271 it was Horus, Khan, Alpharius and Malcador.

@claydud271

2 жыл бұрын

@@limitlessnrg1818 i don’t remember alph at all but i guess thats what his good at being overlooked forgotten

Here is my theory: the emporer created 2 primarchs for the alpha legion on purpose, but when they were scattered, BOTH were duplicated. 2 landed on terra and were found by the emporer, one of whom penned the codex hydra later on. The duplicates landed somewhere else together. I'll refer to them as A1 and A2 for the pair on terra and O1 and O2 for the pair that were discovered later. Here is the tricky bit: having found 2 primarchs on terra, the emporer and malcador believed theyd accounted for all of them. A1 hides A2's existence on terra through omission; they are both present but trade off playing the roll of Alpharius. Feeling the missing bit of their soul, they search for and eventually find Omegon. A1 and A2 hide from Omegon that there are in fact 2 of them, and O1 and O2 do the same, with each pair BELIEVING that there are 3 of them as each pair hides the secret extra sibling from the other pair. The emporer and malcador believe there are 2. The visions of 2 in the lab are true as there was meant to be 2. Alpharius and Omegon's theory of being duplicated by the warp are ALSO true. The hydra has 3 heads, AND A TAIL. I recon 2 are dead, Dorn got one and Guilliman got a second one, but which ones is anyone's guess. What's more, through various secret means it seems that they may be trying to resurrect one or both of the dead siblings via cloning, as they have been slowly gathering and stealing most of what would be necessary to replicate the primarch project, including an alpha level psyker capable of powering a beacon not dissimilar from the golden throne. If they succeed, the hydra will have more than 3 heads.

My head canon is the third head represents the Legion, or perhaps specific Legionaires, who have had the psycho conditioning that 40k marines get for basically mind control and rapid training but for scans of Alpharius. Even if they don't have his body, they have his personality, and all his knowledge at the time of scan, so effectively the whole legion can act as third primarch

I listen to your content on the way to work. Great stuff

According to canon, the Emperor does know about Omegon. How could he not? He ran the labs in which Argel Tal precipitated the primarchs dispersion. It is described how in one of the vats there's shadow of extra limbs, omegons.

Maybe Omegon(or Alpharius) made another brother with the primarch material he stole from Corax after the other one died to Rogal... so that he would not feel the void in his soul.

@theprinceofcrows8691

Жыл бұрын

That was another idea I thought worked well with this theory. It gave them possibilities no other legion could imagine.

I speculated that a long time ago. Good to see someone talking about it.

I love the idea of them being triplets and there is another 3rd brother out there right now, probably serving chaos. Also, then loyal alpharius is still alive, and traitor omegon was killed by dorn.

The third head is the emperor. The battle against the 2nd alpharius was actually a regular legionaire hence the quick win and the immediate burning of the body. Allowing Omegon to continue his God given quest. Guilleman was totally complicit in it all, look into the background of the Sons of Ora chapter.

My theory is there are MORE than three - Alpharius' special primarch power was his skill with genetics, and Omegon was a clone that he himself created, then kept secret. Omegon would act as his body double, however this went to hell when the clone fell to Chaos and, acting as Alpharius, took most of the legion with him. After Omegon was killed by Rogal Dorn, the real Alpharius attempted to salvage what loyalists he could by infiltrating his own legion. He also created multiple additional clones of himself to act as proxies, however these clones were designed to be ultimately loyal to him and most importantly, less powerful. Still far more powerful than the average Astartes, but at best demi-primarchs. It was one of these who was supposedly killed by Guilliman - I suspect if Guilliman ever confirms this he will say that the fight was far too easy for an encounter with a fellow primarch. The upside to his legion now being classed as traitors was this allowed him to operate behind enemy lines, which is why there are still significant parts of the Alpha Legion that are (as far as they know) agents of Chaos. Alpharius and his cabal at the head(s) of the organisation manipulate their movements where possible. Elements of the Imperium such as some members of the Inquisition are aware of this. Perhaps ironically, the head of the Hydra is the 40K equivalent of Nick Fury. And is very much alive and active.

The third one with the extra primarch by Big E and Malcador. I like that one! Most Alpha legionesque of them all

I would be leaning towards 'No'. As they are twins (or triplets to your theory) Horus knew his found brothers before they were expunged. Wouldn't Alpharius or Omegon have been the same in looks? (again twins/ triplet). With the various Primarchs and their abilities, you would think they would see a similarity. Again, just MY thoughts on it. Cool thought though.

A possibility is that the third brother Primarch of the Alpha Legion would be a clone, similar to Fabius Bile and his work. Or clones, including both Alpharius and Omegon.

I recently read the mentioned Alpharius book and it blew me away! Since then I love the Alpha legion (which I only liked before) and I am thinking to at least make an Alpha legion kill team

I cool idea I came up with for the Alpha Legion is that Alpharius / Omergon are the entire legion. Like if one of the 2 dies the consciousness is moved to one of the others in the legion. Thus the only way to kill the Primarchs is the kill the entire Legion. It would add a whole need meaning to "I am Alpharius" Additionally, they can move their consciousness from one to the other so even without dying any legionaire could truly be Alhparius at any time.

"It's just about having some fun discussion." So, what I'm hearing here is that I should take this as canon and go argue with people on Reddit about it. Cool, I'll head there now.

Im so glad you corrected yourself with the "third twin". I'm listening while I work, and when you said it and I said to myself: wait, what?

I've always liked the thought the Alpha legion was a test bed for the rest. A test bed full of Alpharius clones.

If there are indeed more than 2 alpha legion primarch, I would be willing to be that even they were not certain of that, nor likely the full extent of their legion's numbers and dispositions. Which honestly would make trying to track them down even more maddening because they could be honestly trying to tell you the truth and the information they give you turn out to in fact be wrong, which would make trying to pick apart the web even more maddening. The one head might genuinely not know what the other is doing, only that they share an end objective (or so they think). Secrets within secrets within secrets, coils within coils within coils as the great hydra encircles the galaxy.

I always imagined that any member of the alpha legion could be the primarch whenever the need arises.

Literally every member of the alpha legion is a clone of Alpharius. They are all a primarch and the idea of Omegon is a cunning rouse.

@davidthomas2870

2 жыл бұрын

We are all alpharius. This is a lie. (Or is it?)

@Scott90314

2 жыл бұрын

Quite a good deal of the Legion where not augmented to look like the Primarch's. From what I gathered from head of the hydra it was put to a vote, and some where ok with it and others preferred to not have it done.

@davidthomas2870

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scott90314 they are still individuals, as are all space marines. Their geneseed implants and conditioning shape who they are as a person but it doesnt completely remove a marine's individuality. That being said, I can see why a lot of Alpha legionnaires would elect to have this done; it improves their anonymity and is in and of itself a terror weapon. It hides their identity behind a veil, making them seem even more like this formless horde of identical men acting as some incomprehensible collective with inscrutable objectives and obtuse tactics, never striking from where you expect even when you expect subterfuge seemingly for no other reason than to confuse and terrorize. Their name, their face, these are unimportant to you. Only their function matters. We are alpharius. We are legion. This is a lie. It's a tactic to unsettle, annoy, scare and confound anyone trying to get to grips with the legion; even if you speak to one and you think you are speaking to the same one as you did last time, you can never be sure. And the unmodified faces also fit in, because they add plausible deniability; this marine you are speaking to looks identical to the one you spoke to before, so it must be the same marine, right? They're not a horrifying legion of same faced monsters right? Yes and no, truth and falsehood, confounding schemes within schemes within schemes, tactics so obtuse that to the outward observer they seem inefficient, but tactical efficiency isnt the point. It denies friend and foe alike the ability to trust their own perception, and THAT is the point. It makes you stop and question and devote way to much mental energy to them. The name, the face, the legion's carefully crafted and maintained reputation, they are weapons. A weapon of disinformation so effective it reaches out of the fiction to confuse us here in the real world. I am alpharius. This is a lie

@Scott90314

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidthomas2870 The beauty is in the simplicity it is the sleight of hand classic misdirection. Look for the Primarch when you would be better served looking for the outpost. It would be conventional wisdom to strike the head off of a force, and the rest will crumble that in it of itself is the beauty you can never be sure if you are about to go toe to toe with a demi god son of the emperor or a rank and file marine. It would make one less skeptical of facing down a primarch when so many appear to look and act like him, and that is most certainly a mistake that few would live to repeat. As for the unmodified the legion needs its representatives, envoys, and those that can be another recognizable face to give the legion clout and authority amongst its peers. It forces those who interact with them to always be questioning, and when they do the Alpha legion already won, because the true power of the legion is information, and the ability to direct or misdirect it akin to challenging the Fists to a siege. It has been my opinion that people have a tendency to over complicate the legion making them a "just as planned" archetype, but that may be in part what makes them so successful attributing means a motives that simply just aren't there. Curiosity is a vice when fighting the XXth.

@davidthomas2870

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scott90314 exactly! They explicitly arent servants of Tzeech (at least not exclusively), so even if their plans go awry it matters little so long as the enemy is to confused to realize

In the book Legion, Alpharius and Omegon were together shortly before meeting with the Cabal, while another Alpharius was claimed to be at a different location seen with the Lord Commander of the expedition

Alpha legion theory: The Emperor is also Mork.

@Duppyman695

2 жыл бұрын

not Gork......?

@daveeol1987

2 жыл бұрын

What about mindy?

Thank you, I was asking that question too.

Rogal knew his brother when he confronted him, he knew his brother when he liberated the left half of his skull from the right. Roboute was less psychoactive, I wonder how sure he was about slaying his actual brother... 🤔 really makes you wonder if that was just a good copy. I really like the perpetual theory here.

My theory is that Alpharius sent a Alpha Legion Astartes to fight Russ and Guilliman so he could been seen as been killed and then confirmed killed but the real one is still alive and in the shadows. Watching, waiting, and planning his return, letting everyone think he is died.

Another great theory, Rho!!!!!

id love the idea the special power that when one head is cut of two grow back

I thought I read in one of the Heresy books, where the twins were seen in their incubation tube together? By either Horus in his chaos fever dream, or by the Word Bearers in Ingethel's vision?

@MrFallenone

2 жыл бұрын

That does not mean that there were not more of them. Remember that chaos only took one of the twins after all.

@davidthomas2870

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrFallenone correction: both were taken, but one landed on terra itself. The twins in the pod maddeningly may make 3 heads more possible; alpharius and omegon were under the impression that their split may have happened in transit via warp duplication. If there is a twin to the original alpha/omega, that may mean that there is in fact a third or even fourth alpha legion primarch as of yet unaccounted for, if both twins in the pod got duplicated. And no one, not even the twins (triplets? Quadruplets?) themselves or even malcador or the emporer might know the full extent. For they are all alpharius, and this is a lie. Or is it?

The most Alpha Legion thing that's ever Alpha'd

Head cannon!! In this scenario, each legionnaire in the Hydra Legion possesses the latent potential to embody both Alpharius and Omegon. Activation requires a specific code word to awaken that side of their identity, unleashing their full potential as either Alpharius or Omegon.

That triplet lost legion theory blew my mind.

If GW was smart they would give hints to every theory to keep you going!

Was literally thinking about this question earlier today.

"And it turns out, that their real legion had been inside them all along"

My new head cannon after hearing this theory is that the third brother was named Gammon, and was transported to a whole different world, in a different time, where they mispronounce his name. In that world he finds a sacred artifact writing with warp powers that can grant any wish. Still driven by his father's genetically implanted urge to conquer, he formed an army to conquer the land and get this artifact so that he can use the wish to get back to his home. But for some reason, something went wrong, and he consistently gets beat by an elf boy welding another sacred artifact and an alpha plus level elf princess psyker.

A alpha legion triplet theory, what if the reason alpha legion can create space marines that have abilities close to Alpharius was that the triplet is existent only in spirit and he just inhabits the bodies of the astartes but because the body of the astartes is weaker that’s why it’s still a cheap imitation of alpharius but he still has the intuition and reflex as sharp as a primarch

I like the idea of the Alpha Legion sharing a sort of hivemind.

If Russ and Malcador knew about Omegon (which imho they do, when playing out the Heresy as a strategy game, they use 19 pieces, red for traitors and blue for Loyalists. Alpharius has two pieces, one on each side, which to me heavily implies Malcador told him at some point) then I have to assume Big E did too

The way I see it you have Two Primarch's Alpharius and Omegon which is obviously representing two of the three heads, and then you have the 3rd head. Well to kinda take a look through the Alpha legion lore which some of it hasn't aged quite as well as others. We know that Alpharius tended to wear plain unadorned power armor (used to be Omegon before HOH) and had the ability to alter his perception to others i.e allow him to appear astares size allowing him to move through the legion with impunity. Omegon seemed have another ability giving Sheed Ranko head of the Lenerian terminator guard his blood to allow him to take a some fraction of his power making them a sort of demi-primarch if you will. Now this is in my opinion where the 3rd head is the Legion itself being able to make pseudo Primarch's, and while a good chunk of the legion looks like their primogenitor maximizing cohesion. We have to remember the mythology of the hydra itself the heads are just a means to end it is how they work with the body that is important each head is expendable so long as the body lives new heads will regrow. I suspect even though one of the twins is dead the legion may have some way to revive their Primarchs hence when one of the twins died it was no huge deal to the legion which is very uncharacteristic of astares when their gene sire falls.

@theprinceofcrows8691

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I like this theory. It has to work with the mythology of the hydra as well as the 40k 30k universe.

@Scott90314

Жыл бұрын

@@theprinceofcrows8691 it just seems too convenient for me. You play tabletop? I'm building my first XXth force.

The 2 missing primarch would fit except for the rumors of Russ killing or removing them. If Russ did in fact find them and some how shepard them to the Emperor, that would also explain why he never talks about it is in fact he never killed them. Would be interesting if the third brother was given to Malcador for his inquisition at some point.

@joshw9277

2 жыл бұрын

The Emperor TOLD Russ to say he had killed them..

@zarektheinsane6656

2 жыл бұрын

Which if he had Russ swear to him not to say anything else, he would be honor bound not to, no matter who asked him questions. Now I'm starting to wonder if the Primaris is based off their genes since they were always the shortest of the Primarch.

@joshw9277

2 жыл бұрын

@@zarektheinsane6656 Makes you think doesn’t it.

it was only one, my guess is the legion's ability is inheriting memories, omegon is first full minded alpharius, the supercharger they stole from corax can make near primarch spacemarine body for 'new' alpharius to possess

He says in his primarch book how when he meet omegon he felt whole again, then also when omegon died he says how he left a missing piece of his soul I think it’s much just the two

Im so early Alpharius is still *spoilers* The only primarch found by Big E

The Third head, and the 'purged' was Betarion. A 4 foot tall hunchback who damned himself by attempting to dry hump every xenos race his legion encountered. The third 'head' isn't the kind we were thinking of...

Interesting theory. Humble bundle has more audio books up. Pass the word to our brothers and sisters Rho, for the emperor. (Blessed be his name.)

I personally think Alpharius is either: 1. A perpetual like Vulkan, and he started the whole “Omegon” concept to hide it, so he’d always have that trick up his sleeve. 2. After the real Alpharius was killed by Dorn, “Alpharius” became a title for the head of the legion, rather than a name, partially to honor him, but also as sort of a strategic psyop against their enemies.

I think the third head is the Legion and this is shown in how the Legionaries are interchangeable with the primemarks

What made you think that the Hydra only had 2 heads? The Emperor showed Malcador his hand, and there spread among the rest was a field of 4 blue hydra cards.

In fairness it would give GW a good "out" for the 2 missing primarchs.

Each Primarch is unique, and the First Foundings were in their image. Twins/triplets with the same mechanical similarity would be redundant across three different Chapters. Therefore, the missing two are wildly different from the Alpha Legion

What if the Alpha Legion Primarchs could be created via gene-seed? So the Alpharius primarch could continually remake the Omegon genetic twin. I don't think we have a gene-specialist primarch yet and I could see the Alpha legion making use of those skills to remake their legionaries to make them all look nearly identical.

I think if they were the two lost primarchs, it wasn't a secret. Because Horus was pissed with Malcador for having their statues demolished.

The emperor knew about the twins…. He just didn’t care

@LordMuffinToken

2 жыл бұрын

Just. As. Planned

I like to think that the lost primarchs never died or were lost entirely but are merely just crusading far far away

Some spoilers and details: - The Emperor knows about the twin (Let's consider the canonical Omegon to be the first found of the two) as we can see it during the simulation He plays with Malcador when the Hydra card divides into two, one siding with Horus, and one with the Imperium. The reason Omegon being the first found and narrator of the Primarch book is due to the fact of his connection to Malcador, something we see in The Serpent Beneath, when Omegon has a blank grey power armor with no Legion marks, something we see also in the Knights Errant. - The twin thing was made when the capsule of Alpharius entered the warp rift with one Alpharius capsule falling outside the Palace, and another ended up far away. - Both lost Primarchs (The Lost and the Purged) had two separated tragedies and no link to the Alpha Legion, otherwise, it would have appeared inside the Primarch novel. - It is heavily implied that the third head of the Hydra is the Legion itself, especially given the fact we saw in Pretorian of Dorn and The Serpent Beneath, with the Primarchs enhancing legionnaires with their blood or even interchanging souls and memories with them. I hope we see more of them and their unique traits along the future novels, especially Omegon's works for the Sigilite.

I think the third head is the actual Legion. If I'm not wrong they're all the same size and Alpharius and Omegon are the smallest primarchs so any legionary can be "Alpharius"