Is There a Problem With Godzilla?

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Since it's inception, Godzilla has been responsible for binging in literal billions of dollars at the box office. Though, only a select few iterations of Godzilla have truly stood the test of time. But what exactly separates a good Godzilla movie from a bad one? How can different filmmakers lend their voice to bringing the iconic Godzilla to the big screen so many times?
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  • @Windwalker88
    @Windwalker883 ай бұрын

    "it's a godzilla with pink lasers and Kong with a robot hand" fuck yeah, i cant wait to see it

  • @MinecraftWorld1954

    @MinecraftWorld1954

    3 ай бұрын

    Same here

  • @denpogi10

    @denpogi10

    3 ай бұрын

    Super Saiyan Rosé Godzilla and Kong with infinity gauntlet 😅😂

  • @binks9624

    @binks9624

    3 ай бұрын

    Honestly, I kinda like the new look. It’s different but it doesn’t change the things that make Godzilla who he is.

  • @goji-woji1584

    @goji-woji1584

    3 ай бұрын

    Even if it is goofy, the rule of cool wins here

  • @thataintfalco7106

    @thataintfalco7106

    3 ай бұрын

    Hell yeah

  • @jacksaysgo
    @jacksaysgo3 ай бұрын

    Any Godzilla commentary that dismisses the Showa era is worthless.

  • @Zhtrik

    @Zhtrik

    3 ай бұрын

    Are we also ignoring the silly moments from the Heisei Era, and the Millennium Era. In vs King Ghidorah, the robot man runs like Sheldon Cooper. In vs MechaGodzilla 2, it starts out with an Indiana Jones reference. In Vs Megagurius, he body slams her, and Megagurius looks just as confused as the Audience. The Goofiness in some ways is part of the charm, regardless of era.

  • @bigboi5545

    @bigboi5545

    3 ай бұрын

    @Zhtrik *Vs Mothra was the movie with the Indiana Jones opening Vs Mechagodzilla 2 had Baby Godzilla eat hamburgers lol

  • @1986BNick

    @1986BNick

    3 ай бұрын

    IKR? I'm tired of dudes like this. I bet he has a video essays punching down on the DCU and The MCU too as if failed movie universes are nothing new.

  • @Ajuicy

    @Ajuicy

    2 ай бұрын

    Bro already lost when he said 2014 was the best Godzilla movie as a fact

  • @davidostapenko2578

    @davidostapenko2578

    Ай бұрын

    I can say the exact same thing about Showa fanboys.

  • @josecanton3954
    @josecanton39543 ай бұрын

    Bro thinks seeing Minus One automatically can become a Godzilla expert.

  • @Zhtrik

    @Zhtrik

    3 ай бұрын

    This also happened with Shin Godzilla nearly eight years ago to a less degree.

  • @Crozoi

    @Crozoi

    3 ай бұрын

    Thing is. They also watch the first movie and when they watch the first movie and minus one they think they're the "OG expert" or whatever

  • @rcdune7132

    @rcdune7132

    3 ай бұрын

    Right?? I love how everyone thinks they're Rodger Ebert now just because they watched a brand new serious Japanese Godzilla film 😂🤦🏻🤦🏻

  • @1986BNick

    @1986BNick

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah. I'm tired of smug ass mfers like this. He needs to go back to shit talking brie Larson and new star wars stuff or something. Horror and monster movie fans are built different. The fact that he brings up a certain cinematic movie universe? Kind of says he is a smug movie watcher that really doesn't understand some certain cinema sub genres like certain creature features and foreign movies.

  • @kasjamm

    @kasjamm

    2 ай бұрын

    Monsterverse fans are mad 😂

  • @brianwalsh1339
    @brianwalsh13393 ай бұрын

    Anybody who says that godzilla can’t have both serious allegorical movies and goofy “big monster fight” movies should be immediately ignored, as their opinion holds no value.

  • @CobbleBompster

    @CobbleBompster

    3 ай бұрын

    You can love both while also not necessarily liking them being mixed together.

  • @Hank39

    @Hank39

    3 ай бұрын

    @@CobbleBompsterthey aren’t being mixed toegether tho, the drama in the monster verse is as hollow as the earth and they know it, it’s just silly drama to go with the silly monster action, just my opinion tho

  • @GenericProtagonist118

    @GenericProtagonist118

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Hank39I remember people saying that the human plots in the Monstervers films aren't that good, but not because it doesn't toneally fit... they're just written very poorly.

  • @Soulreaper-1129

    @Soulreaper-1129

    3 ай бұрын

    Only good written characters were Bryan Cranston and Jia character from GVK imo but I honestly don’t care I love Big monster fight

  • @NightDragonPlayz

    @NightDragonPlayz

    3 ай бұрын

    👍

  • @SasquaDash
    @SasquaDash3 ай бұрын

    How many times are we going to see video essayists bad mouthing the MonsterVerse films just so they can prop up Minus One and claim that Godzilla should only be one thing? It's kind of getting annoying at this point. The Godzilla franchise has lasted this long because of it's versatility. We can have both versions.

  • @damonlongstreet8630

    @damonlongstreet8630

    3 ай бұрын

    Probably from 5 years of gaslighting by fans doing the same thing on the other side, dude I've lost count of how many "fans" since kotm has claimed godzilla was never serious, my guy the first movie.

  • @HydragonofDeath

    @HydragonofDeath

    3 ай бұрын

    @@damonlongstreet8630 Never seen those arguments by the MV fans. What I have seen though is people shitting on the monsterverse in the past and comparing it to the showa era while calling the showa era underappreciated and "peak", but now that MV is trying to copy the showa era everyone seems to want to backtrack and say the showa era killed godzilla and that the MV is following the wrong trend.

  • @damonlongstreet8630

    @damonlongstreet8630

    3 ай бұрын

    @@HydragonofDeath all I've seen is the opposite where everyone praises the 4 movies for being so different like the showa era. Personally I purfure consistency.

  • @DE45309

    @DE45309

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@damonlongstreet8630Than you not godzilla fan you just 1954 fan

  • @kylesmirch7078

    @kylesmirch7078

    3 ай бұрын

    Are people not allowed to express their opinions? What's wrong with critiquing the monsterverse? I have always been critical of its faults.

  • @Thelorecookie
    @Thelorecookie3 ай бұрын

    Why are big KZreadrs having awful Godzilla takes all of a sudden

  • @Soulreaper-1129

    @Soulreaper-1129

    3 ай бұрын

    Because they noticed the recent hype and resurgent of interest in Godzilla since GVK, minus one and GXK so they are trying to ride the cocktails of Godzilla some good some bad.

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    Simply put, they just wanna talk about godzilla because it's the 1 thing everyone is discussing and in part of doing so, they don't do their research but insist on acting like authoritative mouthpieces who think they need to say what godzilla should be or what the franchise should do while showing their lack of knowledge regarding the franchise. In summary, tourist acting like experts cause they saw 1 godzilla film recently and think watching 1 film=knowledge on the whole franchise

  • @Soulreaper-1129

    @Soulreaper-1129

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Kaiju-bm4ts nicely put my man!! 💯 %

  • @ShHeMiLeRe

    @ShHeMiLeRe

    3 ай бұрын

    Simply, they want to capitalize on Godzilla being a popular thing while doing the minimum effort because the audience will buy it anyway. Oh, everybody said that already. Well, at least this guy just doesn't know the meaning of Godzilla movies beside the original and its variations. It's still much less annoying than the other one who simply made things up probably not expecting that there is such a thing as a Godzilla fandom who can correct him.

  • @Godzillakingofkaiju1

    @Godzillakingofkaiju1

    3 ай бұрын

    Godzilla Minus One came out and became a box office hit. We're just seeing clout chasers coming out like parasites.

  • @usablebear5507
    @usablebear55073 ай бұрын

    if you think that Godzilla cant be simultaneously goofy and serious within the same movie, then maybe the Kaiju genre as a whole really ain't for you

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    2 ай бұрын

    I don't think it can be, or at least I don't think it should be. I hate it when godzilla is goofy. Godzilla was never meant to be goofy. Godzilla was not to be like other monsters. He was meant to be a horrifying, powerful, mindless force of nature that metaphorically throws a wrench into man's hubris. I never liked those films that made godzilla both silly and serious because they always felt like the filmmakers trying to make a silly, dumb, generic film seem good and meaningful. Not helping are the terrible, boring characters.

  • @theenclave6254

    @theenclave6254

    2 ай бұрын

    @@william3100Then you are an extremely narrow minded fan

  • @Skippymcskep

    @Skippymcskep

    2 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@theenclave6254so your just gonna completely ignore all of his points and refuse to elaborate? ok then

  • @boshwa20

    @boshwa20

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@william3100 Then the genre DEFINITELY isn't for you

  • @mothwood843

    @mothwood843

    2 ай бұрын

    @@SkippymcskepSometimes a point isnt worth refuting, if you wanna see that, then actually pay attention to the videos bashing doktor skipper and learn about godzilla’s massive potential writing

  • @Stellar697
    @Stellar6973 ай бұрын

    God this guy is going to get clowned on like doktorskipper

  • @bintasenghore3321

    @bintasenghore3321

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s what I was thinking

  • @MarkLaw13
    @MarkLaw133 ай бұрын

    Basically, The Monster Universe did the job DCEU failed to do.

  • @necrodamus5481

    @necrodamus5481

    3 ай бұрын

    That statement i cant agree with more. well at this point- Monsterverse > DCEU

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    @@necrodamus5481 DC messed up the moment they rushed to give us bvs instead of doing any type of build up to it. The mcu gave us 3 iron man films and 2 captain America films before Civil War. The MV gave us 2 godzilla films, 1 kong film before gvk. DC just rushed things which lead to more screw ups

  • @thedukeofchutney468

    @thedukeofchutney468

    3 ай бұрын

    Let’s also not forget that DC got a guy who explicitly thought the characters he was in charge of (Namely Batman and especially Superman) were dumb. Zach Snyder really was the wrong choice to helm the series.

  • @MrAwsomeness360

    @MrAwsomeness360

    3 ай бұрын

    And it all starts with a strong foundation, something the DCEU never had to begin with.

  • @rickyrackey7930

    @rickyrackey7930

    3 ай бұрын

    Henry Cavill got done dirty.

  • @mr.childs
    @mr.childs3 ай бұрын

    Tourists, am i right?

  • @nicegoatdoctor8224

    @nicegoatdoctor8224

    2 ай бұрын

    Actually a perfect analogy!

  • @dugonman8360

    @dugonman8360

    Ай бұрын

    Don't mind tourists, it's when they start acting like they know what they're talking about about when I get annoyed.

  • @cerchRU
    @cerchRU3 ай бұрын

    The problem with Godzilla is we need MORE!

  • @garrylean9493

    @garrylean9493

    3 ай бұрын

    The problem with Godzilla is the LACK OF GODZILLA GAMES!!! PLZ TOHO! GIVE US A NEW FIGHTING GAME!!!

  • @Soulreaper-1129

    @Soulreaper-1129

    3 ай бұрын

    I agree with that we just need more Godzilla

  • @BabyBrummerAndrew

    @BabyBrummerAndrew

    3 ай бұрын

    Toho needs to make sequels for their new movies like cmon

  • @creepycrupper7731

    @creepycrupper7731

    3 ай бұрын

    Godzilla fanbase: I want more but I shouldn't

  • @rcdune7132

    @rcdune7132

    3 ай бұрын

    More is not always better... Just look at what Disney has done to Star Wars... Each new generic piece of crap content Disney spews out just makes Star Wars less and less special

  • @TellItAnimated
    @TellItAnimated3 ай бұрын

    I kinda like how the Monsterverse can pull off both grounded and serious and also dumb and fun, and they do both pretty well. The Godzilla franchise has always bounced between the two and I like that the Monsterverse respects both aspects of it's lore.

  • @CobbleBompster

    @CobbleBompster

    3 ай бұрын

    I kinda wish that the Monsterverse had stayed balanced like KOTM and worked on actual problems like the human characters. That’s my problem with it, because I like how America tried to take a more realistic approach to Godzilla, but I also am a fan of Godzilla doing crazy shit, but they don’t work when combined. It’s sorta like adding a Golden age style Batman movie to the Matt Reeves series (not saying that the Monsterverse has to be serious, just consistent with the semi realism that they’ve set up). At the end of the day though, I just hope GxK isn’t as bad as the first trailer makes it look. Drastically changing something that isn’t broke instead of fixing what is, isn’t necessarily going to slide well with many people who hold the Monsterverse near and dear to them, and saying that “oh, you loved Minus One yet you don’t like what they’re doing to the Monsterverse? You must hate the Showa Era then. You’re so spoiled!” Seems like a massive strawman to me.

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    ​​@@CobbleBompster kotm wasn't that grounded either, it didn't really strike a balance with it's futuristic technology. Ksi was the actual balance since it was a grounded prequel but introduced the concept of the hollow earth which is a fantastical element. Kotm basically just set up the futuristic setting that gvk expanded upon. But I do hope gxk has at least serviceable human characters

  • @CobbleBompster

    @CobbleBompster

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Kaiju-bm4tsI agree. When I mentioned KOTM being balanced, I was talking about how you can have a semi realistic Godzilla movie while also including things like Burning Godzilla, Ghidorah, Mothra, Rodan, all of those things. It brings me back to the Matt Reeves Batman thing that I was talking about, I think that it’s totally fine to include fantastical characters like Clayface, Killer Croc, Man-Bat, and all of those sorts of things while also feeling connected instead of switching everything up. I do agree that the Hollow Earth is one of the most unique parts of the Monsterverse, i’m just not necessarily a fan of it going from 1 to 100. I also completely agree that KOTM’s introduction of all the technology was quite jarring and sudden, but that doesn’t excuse GxK to make the same mistake. I think you make some really great points though, and I hope that GxK isn’t a full on “turn off your brain” type movie.

  • @crod9905

    @crod9905

    3 ай бұрын

    I preferred Gareth Edwards's version of Godzilla and I wished the Monsterverse would've continued to follow his tone and vision.

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    @@crod9905 Yeah....with mothra and ghidorah being planned even before Gareth left, the MV wasn't going to stay like g14 in tone or setting. Ghidorah and mothra don't exist in movies that have grounded tones. One is a literal alien, the other is a magical/mythical goddess. That's more fantastical than anything g14 did or had. Even Gareth described kotm as a "destroy all monsters" film before he left and DAM was anything but grounded since it too took place in the future.

  • @Thermo-Lizard
    @Thermo-Lizard3 ай бұрын

    There is NO way this dude says Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla knows what it is but Godzilla vs kong *"Doesn't"* where do you get that implication? Can a movie not have stakes and also be fun????

  • @ethanpena2030

    @ethanpena2030

    3 ай бұрын

    Bro that was the most retarded point he made. This is definitely the second worse godzill take, doktor skipper still taking the crown as the worst godzilla take ever made

  • @SasquaDash

    @SasquaDash

    3 ай бұрын

    The argument that Godzilla vs Kong is trying to take itself too seriously because it has a large budget is ridiculous, with that logic you could claim that Godzilla Minus One isn't taking itself seriously because it has a smaller budget.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    @@SasquaDashthat dumb. Godzilla Vs kong looks like a movie that actually revels in its goofiness, embraces it.

  • @Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qn

    @Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qn

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@SasquaDashL take

  • @pleh-chan2589
    @pleh-chan25893 ай бұрын

    Ok ngl I am getting sick and tired of people jumpin on the bandwagon of "monsterverse bad and minus one good" and "if godzilla movie isn't dark, then it isn't godzilla" sure you are allowed to no like the more goofy and chaotic movies... but saying it not godzilla... you clearly don't understand godzilla and why he's so special to us

  • @ExpertContrarian

    @ExpertContrarian

    2 ай бұрын

    You literally are the bandwagon

  • @imjustagamer7977

    @imjustagamer7977

    Ай бұрын

    @@ExpertContrarian Nuh uh

  • @luigiconder6113

    @luigiconder6113

    2 күн бұрын

    You people are the only bandwagon. The bandwagon of a once meaningful topic with something to say that represented nuclear fear that traumatized an entire world and now is about an action hero sprinting with pink fins in a dull franchise that exists to make money and nothing more. The essayists are focusing "Godzilla", they are focusing on Cinema - even the recent Japanese movies take a genuinely cinematic approach and are not really about Godzilla but about the themes represented there. American Godzilla movies are always about Godzilla. Godzilla just being Godzilla. And even then they don't even know what Godzilla is - he represents the H bomb. But that doesn't seem to mean shit in the west

  • @pleh-chan2589

    @pleh-chan2589

    2 күн бұрын

    @@luigiconder6113 A "dull franchise" that's lasted over 70 years and still going strong ...A "dull franchise" that had 2 films released pretty close that had completely different themes and still made millions in the box office... the Japanese had also made some goofy Godzilla films over the years.. they've even recently made some goofy short films.. Godzilla vs Gigan rex and Godzilla vs jet jaguar (2023) for example, were made by the Japanese and they know what Godzilla is and it show Godzilla being Godzilla... if you don't like Godzilla that's fine.. I'm sure you have your franchise that makes you happy, just don't shit on ours :)

  • @Thermo-Lizard
    @Thermo-Lizard3 ай бұрын

    Minus one I swear to god makes people think all of a sudden that it's the way to make all Godzilla movies. as If I wanna watch the same movie with the same monster having the exact same themes on repeat for 70 years

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    It’s a shame because Minus One is legitimately good.

  • @necrodamus5481

    @necrodamus5481

    3 ай бұрын

    Minus One while amazing has some strong ass recoil of now a bunch of bad video essays have came around in its wake to hold every previous godzilla film to its standard or hold any future godzilla film to that standard. Minus One plus the backlash

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    @@necrodamus5481 exactly

  • @kylesmirch7078

    @kylesmirch7078

    3 ай бұрын

    That's not what this guy is saying, though. What he is saying is that the monsterverse could use well written characters and story telling. You and many others in the comment section do not seem to understand what he is saying at all. The reactions on here make me want to dissociate from the fandom.

  • @kylesmirch7078

    @kylesmirch7078

    3 ай бұрын

    @@necrodamus5481 Just because you do not agree with the essay does not mean that it is bad, or ill-informed. All he is saying is that the monsterverse could be more well written. And he is objectively not wrong, as the writing in these movies is abysmal.

  • @DiegoXRA
    @DiegoXRA3 ай бұрын

    Well not all Godzilla movies needs to have a deep meaning . The monster verse movies shouldn't be looked down on for being action blockbusters . Godzilla is a versatile franchise . It covers various topics , themes , genres and tones . We can enjoy a serious movie like Godzilla minus one and action packed movies from the monster verse . Just like people have been doing since the beginning of the franchise.

  • @cerchRU

    @cerchRU

    3 ай бұрын

    I agree with this. Though Godzilla Vs Kong had some emotional depth with Kong, at he end of the day, the movie knew it was a title bout. Everything in that movie was in service to the fight between two legends. So I disagree with Nerdstaglic that GVK didn’t know what it wanted to be.

  • @kitsunepryde507

    @kitsunepryde507

    3 ай бұрын

    The way the video talks about the showa era movies was very weird

  • @S.S.P.B._222

    @S.S.P.B._222

    3 ай бұрын

    Fr

  • @skeletalcypress7176

    @skeletalcypress7176

    3 ай бұрын

    They could still at least try to make a interesting human storyline.

  • @idontwantahandlewhymustidothis

    @idontwantahandlewhymustidothis

    3 ай бұрын

    Monsterverse is boring junk. It's Transformers, G-Man deserve better.

  • @ablaze1989
    @ablaze19893 ай бұрын

    Not everything needs to be a fucking art house flick, these movies are good at what they do. giving us 100mil+ CGI budget action figure fights with a straight face. They suffer a little bit in post when they trim some of the "fat" and we lose context scenes for a shorter runtime. but over all these movies are exactly what Most Godzilla fans I know want, GODZILLA FIGHTING MONSTERS.

  • @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    3 ай бұрын

    Facts

  • @ProtocolAbyss

    @ProtocolAbyss

    3 ай бұрын

    Damn straight

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    Nothing wrong with having a serious and thematic Godzilla film like Minus One as well. It’s good to have both kinds of godzillas to enjoy. Just proves how versatile he is, and how strong he is as a franchise

  • @ablaze1989

    @ablaze1989

    3 ай бұрын

    @@yuyaricachimuel555Agreed, I am just tired of every content creators treating something as bad or subpar just because it isent trying to be "art".

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ablaze1989 yes that makes sense. I just hope this doesn’t turn Minus One into something people would be turned off from watching because of shit videos like this.

  • @MikefromTexas1
    @MikefromTexas13 ай бұрын

    It can be a serious movie and still be just about a big lizard and big ape.

  • @davidostapenko2578

    @davidostapenko2578

    Ай бұрын

    Unfortunately, it isn't a serious movie.

  • @GenericProtagonist118
    @GenericProtagonist1183 ай бұрын

    Oh for God's sake. Godzilla is a versatile character, he can be scary and serious or goofy and fun. Just because Minus One is the most globally successful recent Godzilla film shouldn't make it the end all be all of what the character should be. He could be a defender of nature fighting a menagerie of monsters in one movie and be an allegorical mutant monstrosity in another. There shouldn't be an either-or at all with this conversation, even just looking at his film history shows that he's been flexible in his role for decades, yet people are ignoring everything else but the first film, the monsterverse, the recent Toho films, and the 1998 film. What about the rest of the Showa era, which sure can get goofy but still has a swathe of iconic moments and can occasionally have compelling human stories? Or how about the Heisei era which by comparison is far more serious and grounded despite the ridiculous things thar happen in it? Or the Millennium era which had a wide variety of tones? How about acknowledge that 99% of the films in those eras were made by Japanese filmmakers and it isn't necessarily an American idea for Godzilla to be action orientated? Hell even actual Godzilla fans don't care if he's portrayed as a villain or a hero. Because unlike other fictional characters like say Superman... *he's not a person.* When Superman kills someone or turns evil it's fundamentally wrong, but if Godzilla does that the fandom doesn't give a sh*t. They won't even if he's written as friend of humanity either... It's Godzilla, he's cool, _The End._ *Godzilla can be whatever, just accept that.* I hate going on rants but when a bad take is a REALLY bad take I can't hold it in...

  • @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    3 ай бұрын

    No you’re right the guy in this video is straight up foolish.

  • @LM1954

    @LM1954

    3 ай бұрын

    EXACTLY, THANK YOU

  • @thetrench8486

    @thetrench8486

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you

  • @oldculi

    @oldculi

    3 ай бұрын

    Well said.

  • @pancakes8539
    @pancakes85393 ай бұрын

    Another let’s fix the monsterverse by making them grounded and metaphorical films video. It’s okay for the monsterverse to be fun and silly. Now i can see a point about them not being tonally consistent. But really I think the way to fix the monsterverse isn’t by making them these emotional intelligent films deconstructing politics or the human condition, but just by making more fun and interesting characters and compelling human stories. Also compelling doesn’t necessarily mean serious. So it’s possible to have likable characters and a fun silly movie

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    Exactly, too many people forget lighthearted but well written kaiju films do exist. Gamera 3 is one of the darkest kaiju films period but is well written. What followed gamera 3? A well written kid's film called gamera the brave.

  • @HydragonofDeath

    @HydragonofDeath

    3 ай бұрын

    Plus if the monsterverse tried getting into politics HOLY SHIT would it go downhill fast

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    @@HydragonofDeath the MV already has politics though, it's mostly "we gotta respect nature"

  • @MinecraftWorld1954

    @MinecraftWorld1954

    3 ай бұрын

    Personally, as someone who enjoys the Monsterverse as is, I would argue the best way to make the compelling human aspect mixed with the Monster action would actually be looking back at the era before. The Millennium era. Specifically 1999’s Godzilla 2000, 2001’s Godzilla Mothra, And King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All Out Attack, 2002’s Godzilla against MechaGodzilla, and 2003’s Godzilla Tokyo SOS. All four of those films are perfectly capable of balancing both compelling human characters and fun kaiju action, with one of those even having something to actually say.

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    2 ай бұрын

    The problem with that is that godzilla was never meant to be silly. It was always meant to be serious and in ways kinda closer to horror somewhat due to the whole thing about godzilla being a mindless, powerful force of destruction and it being about man's hubris in some major way.

  • @willpoweramv
    @willpoweramv3 ай бұрын

    Ok here's a question: Does every Godzilla movie NEED to be deep? Can we not just sit down and watch monsters fight for no reason other than our own enjoyment? Is it really an issue worthy of bringing up? No. Just shut up and let us enjoy our monsters.

  • @Xenothemop

    @Xenothemop

    3 ай бұрын

    FACTS, I love all Godzillas because it's Godzilla I don't care how goofy or deep it is, What you are saying here sir is so FACTS

  • @damonlongstreet8630

    @damonlongstreet8630

    3 ай бұрын

    No but it would be nice to get a few In a row with a consistent tone

  • @rickyrackey7930

    @rickyrackey7930

    3 ай бұрын

    Preaching to the choir on that one.

  • @mbogucki1

    @mbogucki1

    3 ай бұрын

    I prefer a good story featuring Godzilla. I don't pay 30$ to see a videogame cut scene on IMAX.

  • @rickyrackey7930

    @rickyrackey7930

    3 ай бұрын

    @@mbogucki1 Seen the Showa movies?

  • @IanBarth
    @IanBarth3 ай бұрын

    You have officially spoken as someone who is clearly not a Godzilla fan. Ask any fan and they’ll tell you that we are really excited and happy that we have both versions! In the past, there were distinct eras where Goji was either portrayed as extremely serious or overly campy. We love both equally and are now ecstatic that we get both in the same era! This sort of overly-negative video from you guys is becoming a pattern. I’m one more away from unsubscribing.

  • @givewarachance2001
    @givewarachance20013 ай бұрын

    Doktor Skipper and Nerdstalgic should win an award for having the most braindead takes on Godzilla in a single month.

  • @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    3 ай бұрын

    Yup.

  • @daryltor7608

    @daryltor7608

    3 ай бұрын

    Pretty much

  • @kylesmirch7078

    @kylesmirch7078

    3 ай бұрын

    Nope. They have their own opinions. There is nothing braindead about that.

  • @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    @Blue-Apple-fc9eo

    3 ай бұрын

    @@kylesmirch7078 “Godzilla is public domain in America.” That’s not even an opinion dude that’s just wrong.

  • @michaelsoulz8447

    @michaelsoulz8447

    3 ай бұрын

    Lets not forget he also says that the Japanese stop calling Godzilla "Gojira" and repainted his image to be more hero like due to American Influence.

  • @twistedmetal56
    @twistedmetal563 ай бұрын

    Godzilla as a whole is very versatile. We can get Minus One & Monsterverse movies. Which is great

  • @PsychoSpartan687
    @PsychoSpartan6873 ай бұрын

    Yet another "Godzilla Doesn't Work" video that is really just a "Monsterverse bad" video. Just because the Monsterverse experiments with different tonal points, doesn't mean they are bad. What do you think people go to a movie called "Godzilla Vs. Kong" and expect? GODZILLA VS KONG.

  • @ProtocolAbyss

    @ProtocolAbyss

    3 ай бұрын

    Damn, didn’t realise the movie Godzilla vs Kong would have Godzilla fighting King Kong. Fucking crazy

  • @PsychoSpartan687

    @PsychoSpartan687

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ProtocolAbyss I know right? WHAT A CONCEPT! Next you'll tell me a large majority of the Godzilla movies involve him fighting other monsters.

  • @Ajuicy

    @Ajuicy

    2 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂😂

  • @kremesauce
    @kremesauce3 ай бұрын

    It’s not going to be a Hollywood movie, two seconds later calls it a blockbuster

  • @RhettThompsonFilm

    @RhettThompsonFilm

    3 ай бұрын

    This is a bit of a contradiction if you take out half the words he said I suppose.

  • @jvbon646

    @jvbon646

    3 ай бұрын

    Hollywood =/= Blockbuster

  • @unclem7816
    @unclem78163 ай бұрын

    Godzilla Minus One is incredible.

  • @prhet199
    @prhet1993 ай бұрын

    What i want to say is. Another thing i love about the Monsterverse. Is that it doesnt have the exact formula to follow like MCU and late DCEU. All the directors had their style of filmmaking and it shows because you can clearly tell the difference between Adam Wingard and Gareth Edwards, or Micherl Dougherty and Jordan-Vogt Roberts and thats what i like because every Monsterverse movie has something new to offer

  • @caimbus
    @caimbus3 ай бұрын

    That's the beautiful things about opinions...it doesn't make you right

  • @madceratophryid
    @madceratophryid3 ай бұрын

    i don't think you understand godzilla

  • @Naeem-Ha
    @Naeem-Ha3 ай бұрын

    The best way I could describe this video is like an shorter, upgraded version of Doktor Skipper's video. Some points are agreeable, but holy crap I disagree with most of it.

  • @necrodamus5481

    @necrodamus5481

    3 ай бұрын

    I guess he decided to follow in the footsteps of his senpai

  • @pnf404to14
    @pnf404to143 ай бұрын

    Stfu we already had enough with that doktorskipper guy

  • @wizzzer1337
    @wizzzer13373 ай бұрын

    People miss out that the vs movies of the showa and heisei ABSOLUTELY were allegory filled movies with messages. Hell, Godzilla vs King Kong even was a very early example of meta commentary on studios.

  • @ayrahn7893

    @ayrahn7893

    3 ай бұрын

    THIS. Far too many people act like none of the movies where attempting anything other than surface level spectacle after 1954, when that just isn’t the case.

  • @kasjachrum

    @kasjachrum

    3 ай бұрын

    Thank you. I don't understand this binary where the only meaningful films are the solo ones.

  • @LM1954

    @LM1954

    3 ай бұрын

    EXACTLY

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    2 ай бұрын

    Except those films executed their messages horribly because they're bogged down by the need to be silly and dumb with the monsters.

  • @JBrotsis1
    @JBrotsis13 ай бұрын

    Wasn’t expecting this channel to hate on the awesome Monsterverse. This channel just went down a peg in my book.

  • @SaurianStudios1207
    @SaurianStudios12073 ай бұрын

    Personally, I’ve always been a fan of both the Toho and American Godzilla films (yes even the 98 film), but I can’t help but feel that the divide between what people want and what the films showcase is caused by expectations, biases, and differences in terms of how people perceive the character of Godzilla. The Reiwa era has been more experimental with their approach on Godzilla, focusing more on exploring different facets of the character in new ways that still feels familiar, while the MV in America is an up-to-date depiction of Godzilla as he’s culturally seen. Both of these approaches are valid in reinterpreting Godzilla, but the subjectivity of which one people like more is influenced by personal tastes.

  • @kasaibouF29

    @kasaibouF29

    3 ай бұрын

    My, how you've grown.

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@kasaibouF29my how both of you grown into pseudo intellectuals.

  • @thisone81
    @thisone813 ай бұрын

    Sounds like someone hates fun. Godzilla has range , he can do both.

  • @Lochlann-Nl
    @Lochlann-Nl3 ай бұрын

    The problem is there are multiple KZreadrs who saw Godzilla Minus one and now think they are an expert and know what's best for the franchise while only having watched 1 or 2 movies.

  • @aaronjones5399
    @aaronjones53993 ай бұрын

    Not everything has to be a heady think piece. As you said sometimes people just want to see stuff blow which should be enough unless you just live in a huge vat or your own pretension

  • @simmoisbest1

    @simmoisbest1

    3 ай бұрын

    Did you watch the video? He spoke about how the Zilla films have a clash of identity, they try to make it seem thoughtful, emotional and deep, but then they're also being quippy and making dumb jokes then have ridiculous scenes like King Kong with a giant gauntlet on his hand... Nobody said they couldn't be fun just to make sense thematically

  • @Kaiju-bm4ts

    @Kaiju-bm4ts

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@simmoisbest1 Buddy that's not a clash of identity when that's just godzilla being versatile and being anything the story wants him to be. Godzilla is godzilla, simple as that. Too many tourist need to stop giving advice on what the franchise needs when they hardly gave this franchise a single glance prior to minus 1 😂

  • @simmoisbest1

    @simmoisbest1

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Kaiju-bm4ts Buddy, I've been here a long time. I own all of the Toho box sets: showa, heisei and millenium era films, saw shin Godzilla day one and the very next day. Saw minus one the day it came out and again with my partner. Americans took the god out of Godzilla. The 2014 Zilla film is trash. It took the best actor Bryan Cranston and killed him almost immediately taking all of the emotional weight out of it. Then you have the "protagonist" pretending like he's going to do anything then just cowers anytime Godzilla is on screen, lame. The original 1954 Godzilla film was horrifying at the time because it was an allegory for nuclear war and a sobering reminder of the Hiroshima bombing, that America did. I have no time or care for America's bastardization of an important part of Japanese culture.

  • @rickyrackey7930

    @rickyrackey7930

    3 ай бұрын

    @@simmoisbest1 Saying America Ruined Godzilla is Doktor Skipper levels of braindead.

  • @simmoisbest1

    @simmoisbest1

    3 ай бұрын

    @@rickyrackey7930 I didn't say Americans ruined Godzilla, I'm saying that they do them badly and it's clearly a cash cow, which I feel is a slap in the face considering Godzilla's origin. I love Godzilla, and Toho has been doing great, I don't consume the american "monster verse" or monarch because I feel it's not authentic or inspired and it's clearly a money maker for American studios. I feel, that the ACTUAL "Godzilla" fans that moan when the Zilla films are critiqued cry because they would literally consume anything and have a fondness towards those movies because that's what they saw first.

  • @chadisnotachad
    @chadisnotachad3 ай бұрын

    Basically we're getting serious Toho movies and dumb fun American movies. Godzilla fans are eating good.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s not good for people like Nerdstalgic apparently :/

  • @Martinmd-zt7vu
    @Martinmd-zt7vu3 ай бұрын

    Top Gun Mavrick isn't really saying anything deep and yet I don't see anyone trashing on that film.

  • @roentgenfruit736
    @roentgenfruit7362 ай бұрын

    While I certainly elevate films like Minus One and Shin over the Monsterverse films, you will never catch me going as far as saying that the Monsterverse is bad because it tries to blend the camp that the series has been known for with a sense of realism. Would we all like a more thematically impactful Monsterverse film in GxK or further installments? Sure, but if anything, Legendary and Toho are giving Godzilla fans the two sides of the characters that we love; the serious allegory, and the goofy triumphant hero.

  • @Jllyrol311
    @Jllyrol3112 ай бұрын

    ‘The Monsterverse is the equivalent of Michael Bay’s Transformers’ That’s a low blow.

  • @davidostapenko2578

    @davidostapenko2578

    Ай бұрын

    You're right. MICHAEL BAY'S TRANSFORMERS MOVIES ARE SO MUCH SUPERIOR THAN THIS CRAP.

  • @jokinn4849

    @jokinn4849

    7 күн бұрын

    ​@@davidostapenko2578Cap

  • @Grandi74
    @Grandi743 ай бұрын

    The writing needs to come above all else as Godzilla Minus One proved. Outstanding film.

  • @Tortaviejo123-cb8me

    @Tortaviejo123-cb8me

    3 ай бұрын

    Agreed, the human characters were so well done that I didnt mind them taking screen time over Godzilla in the movie. Wish Legendary would take notes.

  • @nubiandna4155

    @nubiandna4155

    3 ай бұрын

    I didn’t see Minus One because I don’t like watching movies that have subtitles, whenever they have an English version I will give it a go 😂

  • @iamafish7

    @iamafish7

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@nubiandna4155 then you'll never watch it.

  • @BRNG2042

    @BRNG2042

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@Tortaviejo123-cb8methey should use hollow earth energy to revive Brian Cranston

  • @AlkisenSuper

    @AlkisenSuper

    3 ай бұрын

    @@nubiandna4155 You're missing so much amazing stuff being afraid of subtitles.

  • @johnwhiteX
    @johnwhiteX3 ай бұрын

    You got a problem with godzilla?? Why don’t you say it to his face

  • @BabyBrummerAndrew

    @BabyBrummerAndrew

    3 ай бұрын

    🔥🔥

  • @AM-sj5vr

    @AM-sj5vr

    2 ай бұрын

    Atomic breath coming up 🔥

  • @Random-fd1oh
    @Random-fd1oh3 ай бұрын

    It’s the human nature, discover and then destroy. These people keep discovering Godzilla and his legacy and then make untrue statements that tarnish because the franchise and the fanbase

  • @dedmed8139
    @dedmed81392 ай бұрын

    Bro is literally doktor skipper 2.0 💀

  • @Rodanguirus
    @Rodanguirus3 ай бұрын

    I suppose the downside of all the positive buzz Godzilla Minus One has generated is a whole host of new, weird takes from the masses. Like implying that (the heavily satirical) KKvsG is one of the "mindlessly bash action figures" movies. Or that there's a clear delineation between "smart" and "dumb" Godzilla movie and pretend that many of them don't tread a middle ground.

  • @DC-it2ng
    @DC-it2ng3 ай бұрын

    Oh boy, another Doktor Skipper.

  • @SasquaDash

    @SasquaDash

    3 ай бұрын

    At least this video wasn't as poorly researched as that one...

  • @HydragonofDeath

    @HydragonofDeath

    3 ай бұрын

    @@SasquaDash Doing a google search versus talking out of your ass isn't really a high accomplishment.

  • @KingOfTheMonsters07

    @KingOfTheMonsters07

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@SasquaDash Along with editing that doesn't atomize your brain.

  • @beltsan

    @beltsan

    3 ай бұрын

    @@KingOfTheMonsters07 “wohoo the bare minimum”

  • @ProtocolAbyss

    @ProtocolAbyss

    3 ай бұрын

    Nice the quality has been raised to rock bottom. Now if we pray we can get a trash video and after we can get a mildly watchable one.

  • @LXDV
    @LXDV3 ай бұрын

    This is an oddly cynical take on an otherwise pretty good franchise that’s been fairly successful. Ive enjoyed it and I actually look forward to what they do next.

  • @Godzilla-tu2cd
    @Godzilla-tu2cd3 ай бұрын

    It's ok for Godzilla to have two sets of tones ToHo done that numerous times before and multiple interpretations of Godzilla. Let legendary do it's thing and let ToHo do it's thing. I don't know why people are complaining about this

  • @davidostapenko2578

    @davidostapenko2578

    Ай бұрын

    Maybe because you're a stupid toxic AF Godzilla fanboy who understands NOTHING about properly professional filmmaking, just like 99.99% of the fandom?

  • @jokinn4849

    @jokinn4849

    7 күн бұрын

    @@davidostapenko2578 why you talking about yourself

  • @Chaogod1233
    @Chaogod12333 ай бұрын

    I really really disagree with what should be done with the Monsterverse films. AS a Godzilla fan and i can see why you would as a film fan but here's why. The first two did try to take things seriously but it was all still serviceable. They weren't perfect. KoM gets lambasted because of that but people dont ever realize how much of the movie is a love letter to the franchise. There is a lot of call backs to Godzillas history. But also all of the monsters they show are treated with respect and are true to their original counter parts. They could have easily dismissed Ghidorah being an alien but they didnt. I love the movie because of the love it has for Godzilla. As a movie? Sure its not the best but I adore it because of the respect and adoration it has. Every Godzilla movie before it always had eh human stories. Thats not an excuse but rather doesn't make it less than the others. EVERY Godzilla movie (yes including 98) at least brings something of value to the table. I dont think the legendary films should be serious in any capacity. I think they need to double down on it being stupid, silly and bashing monsters together. The Toho films are filling the void of telling a compelling story with Godzilla. We don't need to sets of films doing the same thing. Godzilla X Kong seems to me to harken back to the showa era. When Godzilla was aimed at kids and did stupid shit like drop kick a giant bug with a robot man. Those movies are so fun because of how absurd they are and how much personality there is to them as a result. And the legendary films should be a modern version of that. Ditch the human drama and focus on the monsters. With seeing Godzilla run with Kong, it feels like that will hopefully be the plan. So i don't think Godzilla has a problem. Rather how people perceive Godzilla is. Godzilla is versatile. He can be a metaphor, a hero for kids, a movie monster like that of Michael Myers or a back drop for a drama. He doesnt need to be pigeon hold into one specific thing.

  • @MichaelTabb1954
    @MichaelTabb19543 ай бұрын

    Toho likes to make Godzilla a villain while the Monsterverse like to make Godzilla a hero or anti-hero. I like all Godzilla movies, I don't pay attention to dumb stuff or I just don't see it, I like seeing monster action and fights.

  • @sanictheedgehog

    @sanictheedgehog

    3 ай бұрын

    Toho isn't allergic to making Godzilla a hero either, especially in the Showa era. Godzilla can be serious, it can be camp, that's what people like about Godzilla.

  • @Ajuicy

    @Ajuicy

    2 ай бұрын

    What?Toho has made Godzilla a hero before and what makes Monsterverse a hero when he's casually destroyed cities 🤔

  • @tmac3d320
    @tmac3d3203 ай бұрын

    What's with all the awful Godzilla video essays this week? Good lord.

  • @mrgodzillaraptors8632
    @mrgodzillaraptors86323 ай бұрын

    This and doctor skippers shit video have united the Godzilla community. Noice

  • @Booty_Crum
    @Booty_Crum3 ай бұрын

    Godzilla Minus One really making non true fans of Godzilla WAAAAAY to comfortable talking about whats right and not right for Godzilla. Its gotta stop. Minus One is good, but that doesnt give you KZreadrs and basic ass film goers the authority to tell us what we should and shouldnt like. Ive spent enough of my life defending Godzilla 98, its not the greast by far but its certains a fun monster movie and thats all its gotta be for me. The same goes for Monsterverse. I love Japanese Godzilla as well, literally all interpretations of Godzilla are valid and accepted by me and "most" of the fandom Unfortunately there is a massive and i do mean MASSIVE devide with Godzilla fans, thinking one or the other is superior or one or the orher shouldnt exist *(usually people saying American produced Godzilla shouldnt be made and is inferior)* But even they are completely wrong and all they are, is gatekeepers "my favorite Godzilla movie is better than your favorite" bullshit im sick of hearing I remember when i was a kid and i literally DREAMED of living in a world where we get regular Godzilla releases again, and now that we are in it, im being told that i should only like the serious, deeply introspective ones?? Fuck that. I will not kill my inner child because you think big dumb monster movies will ruin cinema. Thats it, thats all im going to say for otherwise id be hear all day long. Just let people like what they want to like and go ahead and Praise "The Good Ones" but for the love of god, just let us enjoy ourselves.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    This is just the perfect response we needed

  • @MinecraftWorld1954
    @MinecraftWorld19543 ай бұрын

    5:25- YES THEY FUCKING DO!!!! THE MONSTERVERSE MOVIES ARE EXACTLY WHAT THEY OFFER!!!! Godzilla vs Kong completely understands what it is, what its goals are, and how it needs to achieve it. So does Godzilla 2014. So does King Of The Monsters. The problem with Godzilla is that NOBODY understands how versatile the character is. NOBODY understands that even the sillier movies, yes, even the Monsterverse, had just as much to say as the serious films and understands EXACTLY who and what Godzilla is and was. NOBODY understands that Godzilla can and has made both sides work well (I.E King Kong vs Godzilla (1962) for silly, and Godzilla Mothra And King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All Out Attack (2001) for serious), and poorly (Godzilla's Revenge (1970) for silly, and The Godzilla Polygon Trilogy (2017-2018) for serious).

  • @LM1954

    @LM1954

    3 ай бұрын

    YES, EXACTLY

  • @MaceDeMarco2010
    @MaceDeMarco20103 ай бұрын

    3:43 the anime movies were also made “lately”. 7:38 in other words, try nothing new and you’ll win

  • @ParkRanger2000
    @ParkRanger2000Ай бұрын

    If there's one good thing that these entitled video essayists are doing, is making the G Fans unite together to defend both the older Toho Films and the Monsterverse from their nonsensical excuses of why they're "bad".

  • @fastao4219
    @fastao42193 ай бұрын

    They need to show directors the Godzilla Dropkick scene and if they don't respect it they should be replaced

  • @carkeyss2589
    @carkeyss25893 ай бұрын

    Stop baiting like you care about the Godzilla movies as if they always provided you some comfort when all life came crashing down on you.

  • @daryltor7608
    @daryltor76083 ай бұрын

    Gotta love channels that talk Godzilla without actually knowing anything beyond mInus one. Like, maybe watch the films?

  • @nukestudios4631
    @nukestudios46313 ай бұрын

    You know the video's going to be dog water when they use footage from a fan made minus one trailer instead of an actual trailer 💀

  • @fazbear4smash
    @fazbear4smash3 ай бұрын

    Can y’all essay KZreadrs not talk about Godzilla at all?

  • @IvanlyChannel
    @IvanlyChannel3 ай бұрын

    without the Monsterverse you wouldn't really have Shin or Minus One. Both in the way it revitalized Godzilla in pop culture and since Toho didn't want to be redundant they chose to go with more prerstige standalone movies. There were even some minor homages to MV Godzilla in Minus One

  • @Godzilla-jr5gi
    @Godzilla-jr5gi3 ай бұрын

    well atleast this video is better than doktor skippers video

  • @prologue_00
    @prologue_003 ай бұрын

    KZreadr D Man1954 just put out a great video today that sort of highlights this topic and the lessons people have been taking away from Godzilla Minus One. In short, not every Godzilla movie needs to be as serious as G-1.0. It's a versatile series with 70 years of putting out serious think pieces and fun campy movies. It's why the character is as beloved worldwide as he is. The Monsterverse is fine doing what it's doing. I love myself a deep, meaningful metaphorical movie that stays in my head for a long time... and I also like monsters punching the crap out of each other. Both can work, and the Monsterverse stays true to respecting the character and legacy of Godzilla.

  • @FrostbiteDigital

    @FrostbiteDigital

    3 ай бұрын

    Ehh, while he's not wrong, I'd take everything DMan1954 with a massive grain of salt and irony considering he has a rather inauspicious history of constantly mocking and trolling Monsterverse Godzilla, the fans and making ragebait posts on Twitter.

  • @prologue_00

    @prologue_00

    3 ай бұрын

    @@FrostbiteDigital Oh interesting to know. I just found his channel recently and I'm not on Twitter.

  • @RickDaSquirrel
    @RickDaSquirrel3 ай бұрын

    Another KZreadr making a video on Godzilla who clearly knows nothing about Godzilla just to cash in on Minus One and think they know what the franchise is all about.

  • @KingOfTheMonsters07

    @KingOfTheMonsters07

    3 ай бұрын

    AND WHILE FORGETTING THE HEISEI AND SHOWA ERA FILMS AGAIN....😬

  • @abdulazizrex
    @abdulazizrex3 ай бұрын

    Godzilla is a pretty versatile character, it would be boring if all his movies were serious.

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    2 ай бұрын

    No it wouldn't. You can still have a versatile character, but still be serious.

  • @ogfortify7674

    @ogfortify7674

    Ай бұрын

    ​​​@@william3100yes it would. Without the dumb fun movies we wouldn't appreciate the serious ones as much. And vice-versa. They both complement each other AND do their own things. It's ok if you prefer one or the other, but don't force your own preferences onto other people

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    Ай бұрын

    @ogfortify7674 we don't have Jurassic Park get into silly, hokey territory, or like it when it gets into dumb, Marvel movie territory, yet we still appreciate it tremendously. Plus, it's one thing to have silly movies every now and then. It's another when most fans of a franchise want nothing more but silly movies and anthropomorphized monsters and fighting as tending to be more critical and not wanting films with actual nuance like any good movies. People don't take godzilla films, and monster movies in general seriously for a reason. They can be so much more if people accept that monsters can be more than silly spectacle.

  • @ogfortify7674

    @ogfortify7674

    Ай бұрын

    @@william3100 How can you say people see Godzilla as nothing more than a silly character when Godzilla Minus One got an Oscar this year? OPEN YOUR EYES. People already have accepted that Monster films can be more than silly spectacle. They have for a long time now. But that doesn't mean Godzilla has to be like that all of the time. He's allowed to be silly AND serious. He can be both, we can want both. Stop acting like it has to be one or the other. Also, Godzilla isn't Jurassic Park. Stop conflating the two.

  • @william3100

    @william3100

    Ай бұрын

    @@ogfortify7674 a few movies getting praised and actually being good doesn't mean most people accept godzilla now as being something that entails nuance like any good movie. Plenty of people still see monster movies as being films made more for spectacle with at best having some cool themes at times, not as actual movies with interesting, memorable characters, and good writing. Most american audiences, even audiences in Japan still don't see monster movies as being something that can have a lot of nuance in them. I used Jurassic Park as an example because it's something that is inherently made to be something a bit serious due to its themes about man's hubris, just like what godzilla started out as. What I'm saying is, godzilla is suppose to have nuance and be a bit serious as opposed to silly and hokey. Many people have basically misinterpreted what godzilla was for decades now, and still do.

  • @MusicOfAdam
    @MusicOfAdam3 ай бұрын

    King Kong vs. Godzilla was a satire about the state of Japanese television in the early 1960's. Godzilla vs. Hedorah had a straight-forward message about Japan's pollution problems in the 1970's. Even one of the most maligned films, All Monsters Attack/Godzilla's Revenge centered around a latchkey kid and the bullies he dealt with (something that was common at the time). A lot of films in this franchise have more to say than just being "action figures" bashed against each other like you imply most Toho films to be. Even if they don't, some are well written and enjoyable on their own merits. This video is a bad take if I ever saw one based on that factoid alone.

  • @SG98Films
    @SG98Films3 ай бұрын

    You messed up this time Nerdstalgic. That's what happens when you think you can have big opinions on any topic that you so please

  • @evanalanjones
    @evanalanjones3 ай бұрын

    The argument of having a grounded family drama and goofy monsters fighting can't co-exist in a franchise, yet praises marvel, kind negates the argument, marvel is dumb fun but also serious. Monsterverse is dumb but also serious, the problem is the execution. I've seen a rise of films critiquing Godzilla lately but their arguments are almost always dismantled within their own videos. Such a horrible trend

  • @Godzillakingofkaiju1

    @Godzillakingofkaiju1

    3 ай бұрын

    It's almost like they're talking out of their rears.

  • @themoviebaker
    @themoviebaker3 ай бұрын

    What video essayists aren’t understanding is that Godzilla is extremely versatile. He can be a malicious God, a stand in for a metaphor, or fight with King Kong for a hot minute to cool off. There are more Godzilla films than the Original 1954, Shin, and Minus One. There’s also a great many Godzilla vs. movies that have something to say! Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla vs. Biollante, GMK, Godzilla vs. Hedorah, etc. At the end of the day it depends on what the filmmaker and their team to make it all work. G’14 did a fantastic job rebooting the character and making him a force of nature, the only issue is the characters (outside of Bryan Cranston) weren’t fleshed out enough. The only good thing about these video essays is that they’re bringing the Godzilla Community together, lol.

  • @shakachoarroyo
    @shakachoarroyo3 ай бұрын

    Critics keep wanting every Godzilla movie to be like the original or Shin, when the big guy has RANGE. He can be an unstoppable force of nature OR an unlikely ally against a bigger bad. That's the beauty of Godzilla; it doesn't always have to be so deep.

  • @floppyfatfrog9999
    @floppyfatfrog99993 ай бұрын

    There is a Godzilla movie for everyone and that’s why the franchise is so popular, if every movie was like g54 and m1 then the franchise would be long dead

  • @Godzillakingofkaiju1

    @Godzillakingofkaiju1

    3 ай бұрын

    The same argument goes for G '14. I like that movie, but if every installment in the MonsterVerse was just like that film, it'd get boring and stale. Why do you think the Snyderverse fell apart? If anything, the Heisei Godzilla series really hit the right balance of having really out there plots that were surprisingly played completely straight.

  • @agodzillayoutuber9007
    @agodzillayoutuber90072 ай бұрын

    First doktor skipper now this

  • @darkmetal2412
    @darkmetal24123 ай бұрын

    I just wanna see big ape and big lizard fight big monster bad guys. Im okay with the tone swift between campy to serious in the monsterverse movie i think it works

  • @Mim-id5um
    @Mim-id5um2 ай бұрын

    It's really sad seeing these youtubers watch Minus One once and proceed to give the worst take ever.

  • @faithslayer202
    @faithslayer2023 ай бұрын

    Why do I keep getting Doktor Skipper vibes...

  • @Nick-4K
    @Nick-4K3 ай бұрын

    Wait... I don't think the narrator realizes that the monsterverse is super popular. Haha

  • @tanmeysaraiya4130
    @tanmeysaraiya41302 ай бұрын

    Anyone who says there’s a problem with Godzilla has lost all credibility in my eyes

  • @johnwhiteX
    @johnwhiteX3 ай бұрын

    I gotta say, I usually like your videos but this one is missing the mark. I don’t think you truly understand Godzilla. And I think if you ask most Godzilla fans what their fav of the legendary movie is they wouldn’t say Godzilla 2014

  • @Soulreaper-1129
    @Soulreaper-11293 ай бұрын

    Showa Era lasted almost 20+ years and it wasn’t till 1985 that Godzilla got serious again if Monsterverse wants to be goofy let it we Godzilla fans love it, in time Hollywood will make another version of Godzilla that can be serious and we will love it, that’s the beauty of Godzilla it’s so versatile it can be whatever tone it wants. That’s “The big green beauty of Godzilla”

  • @Godzillakingofkaiju1
    @Godzillakingofkaiju12 ай бұрын

    Rapid succession? Motherfu- It took us three years to get Kong: Skull Island, five years to get Godzilla: King of the Monsters, seven years to get Godzilla vs. Kong, nine years to get Skull Island and Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, and TEN years to get Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire. Rapid succession my ASS.

  • @soulslayergamer2318
    @soulslayergamer23183 ай бұрын

    This guy knows a shit about Godzilla. Why there must be people that have the need to ruin the fun?

  • @jollyjakelovell6822
    @jollyjakelovell68223 ай бұрын

    Who is this 'everyone's shocked that it's still going'? As not everyone is actually shocked and in fact many are ecstatic to kind of interested on a scale of looking forward to watching.

  • @Cryptic_54
    @Cryptic_543 ай бұрын

    Ah yes... the big "green" problem with godzilla

  • @xliquidflames
    @xliquidflames3 ай бұрын

    I really liked the first Godzilla movie with Bryan Cranston in the beginning of it. I haven't seen any of the others. Next: Talk about why Pacific Rim 1 was so good but part 2 wasn't. I have my opinion. I think it's mostly because of the cinematography. Pacific Rim has grounded camera views and the kiju looked massive because they moved slowly and we saw them from ground level. Part 2 had magic cameras that could fly around anywhere. So, the kiju sense of scale was completely destroyed.

  • @damonlongstreet8630

    @damonlongstreet8630

    3 ай бұрын

    Both Monsterverse and Pasific Rim had that sadly, I'm pretty sure it cause of legendary getting bought put by a Chinese Corp in 2016/17 area.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    Go watch the other movies. Good movies. Godzilla is cool. Both when he’s serious and when he’s fun.

  • @Magdalena8008s
    @Magdalena8008s3 ай бұрын

    Gozilla can both be super serious and goofy and over the top. Both can exist. Simple as that.

  • @ALC570
    @ALC5703 ай бұрын

    King of the Monsters is legitimately one of my favorite movies. I really wish the Monarch series had better writing though, I was so excited for that to come out and it’s just so poorly written.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    KotM i would say the same for its poorly timed attempts at humor (poorly timed as in during scenes that look like they’re trying to be tense or suspenseful or even emotional).

  • @ALC570

    @ALC570

    3 ай бұрын

    @@yuyaricachimuel555 it’s been a while I’m having a hard time recalling any comedic relief attempts, arguably speaking to your point. But it’s not a movie that really needs comedic relief. It’s a movie about giant SCPs fighting each other and Godzilla being the hero of it. If you can’t enjoy a silly action movie then you won’t enjoy it. If it had some great funny moments I’d almost argue that would take away from the feeling of severity they’re trying to create in the movie. Idk I’ve never been a Godzilla guy, but I thoroughly enjoyed KoTM and was surprised by it. That got me hype for the show, the premise sounded very good, their execution wasn’t great tho.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ALC570 yeah well, you’re saying about KotM, and it’s *exactly* what KotM has. The attempt at being mystical and awe inspiring, or straight suspenseful with the kaiju scenes and mythos are squandered by badly timed attempts at humor. One such big example is the “gonnorhea” joke when they wrote a character seemingly having a hard time pronouncing “Ghidorah”.

  • @ALC570

    @ALC570

    3 ай бұрын

    @@yuyaricachimuel555 i mean fair enough, I don’t remember any of those scenes at all, especially not the one you mentioned. I’d still maintain Monarch has worse writing of the two. Nearly half of the dialog in the series comes across as unnatural. I don’t mean jokes that miss, I mean conversations that only exist to remind the audience of what is happening. I didn’t get that from KoTM. Chalk it up to there being more giant monsters for me to shut my brain off and watch, that it had better writing, or some combination of the two. Monarch just let me down, I was ready for a comparable experience to KoTM and instead I got talked to like a child by Kurt Russel. Such a shame because the premise of the show had so much potential.

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ALC570 hope that helps

  • @mrskribble
    @mrskribble3 ай бұрын

    The Lego Batman movie and the Dark Knight are both good movies about a guy who dresses as a bat and punches clowns. And the Dark Knight even had some jokes. Godzilla can be goofy and serious or both at the same time. I do like Godzilla Minus One, but that doesn't have to be every godzilla movie. It's a really good one off.

  • @mostrandomvids
    @mostrandomvids3 ай бұрын

    I agree as a fan I’m happy to see people wanting Godzilla to be taken seriously again even if they just shot the new movie like 2014 it would be great

  • @germanscience7246
    @germanscience72463 ай бұрын

    Please, I beesech thee, actually make a decent essay about godzilla while recognizing how veratile the character is and the many roles he can play. Surely it can't be that difficult

  • @MourningCoffeeMusic
    @MourningCoffeeMusicАй бұрын

    Stay mad that the Monsterverse is doing better than whatever silly franchise you like to watch.

  • @onimi66616
    @onimi666163 ай бұрын

    Tell me you don't understand Godzilla without telling me you don't understand Godzilla -> the video!

  • @JaycoRex_PRIME
    @JaycoRex_PRIME2 ай бұрын

    I have a feeling he took most of this from Doctor Skipper. Get a new doctor dude

  • @kingmj87
    @kingmj873 ай бұрын

    There’s a few bad takes in this. 1) the “dumb fun” Japanese Godzilla movies overwhelmingly still had political themes (which are usually so heavy handed that it makes it feel like the makers of this video didn’t watch any of them). 2) Godzilla holds a place of respect for its contributes to the history of Japanese cinema, but that’s not the case in the US, which is why Americans are far less likely to take a political message in a cartoon kaiju movie seriously. 3) Of all the current franchise timelines currently on film, the Monsterverse is easily in the top 2 or 3 in regards to consistent plot/characters/continuity. 4) the tonal shift from the gritty (almost black white) seriousness of the 2014 movie (and Monarch tv series) to the campy (almost technicolor) fun of the later movies is a clear reference to the shift found in the original Toho Godzilla run from the 50’s thru 70’s.

  • @Zilla17707
    @Zilla177073 ай бұрын

    Many flawed points In this video 🤦🏻

  • @benespinoza4384
    @benespinoza43843 ай бұрын

    The only problem with the monsterverse is that pretentious film bros like you have to act like you're too mature to enjoy a fun movie about giant monsters fighting.

  • @thewanderingronin5433
    @thewanderingronin54333 ай бұрын

    But that's the beauty of Godzilla and kaiju films in general, the versatility of it all. If you prefer serious and thoughtful films over dumb fun ones, fine but that doesn't mean ones a problem or better than the other

  • @robmar1014
    @robmar10143 ай бұрын

    2019s King of the Monsters really straddles the line between goofy monster fights and serious tone better than every Monster verse movie. The Kaiju are framed as forces of nature and natural disasters, but with a mythological and spiritual edge. The main characters while arc is overcoming the trauma of losing his son to Godzilla, but having to later rely on him, much like we rely on the natural world but are simultaneously at its mercy.

  • @damonlongstreet8630

    @damonlongstreet8630

    3 ай бұрын

    Yet everything the monsters do is manipulated by humans.......

  • @ProtocolAbyss

    @ProtocolAbyss

    3 ай бұрын

    @@damonlongstreet8630how?

  • @yuyaricachimuel555

    @yuyaricachimuel555

    3 ай бұрын

    I’d agree with this only if they didn’t have poorly timed humor in many of the scenes (humor is fine but they put it in the wrong places)

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