In my honest opinion, I feel like both Toho's Godzilla and the Monsterverse's Godzilla can coexist, that way there is something for everyone.

@danieldickerson4838

5 ай бұрын

Especially since the Monsterverse is like, a project that Toho co-develops with Legendary. They’re not hands off with that series like many people seem to think.

@-_deploy_-

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, I like both

@vwjkid918

5 ай бұрын

I like what I saw someone said once. “It’s like having both Heisei and showa Godzilla at the same time”.

@demonzone2571

5 ай бұрын

While Toho is trying to retrace Godzilla to his routes as a being of destruction, Legendary Studios can have Godzilla be the anti-hero/ hero we cheer for

@hmongboy9161

5 ай бұрын

no dont follow mcu and dc verse was such a fail and now everything is gonna get reboot AGAIN

Two different Godzillas. Why must we compare instead of just separating the two and enjoying them for what they are?

@user-bt9yh8jn1q

5 ай бұрын

Because the Monsterverse started out seriously. There is a reason why Godzilla 2014 and Skull Island grossed higher than KotM and GvK. 😂 There is also a reason why Minus One has a higher cinema scare than all of the MV entries. *EDIT* : Do you guys really want MV to be like the quipfest goofy MCU 2.0? because I do not man. I quipped out lmao

@shadow-gr4iw

5 ай бұрын

Because mv fans are starting to push people out of the fandom if they have criticisms or say they like one take better than the other. Twitter is a war zone over these two movies

@kaniun82

5 ай бұрын

Fr we should just enjoy the movies

@Wolf_Dominic

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, I don’t get why that’s so hard for some people.

@shadow-gr4iw

5 ай бұрын

@@Wolf_Dominic it's not that hard, it's just people lean more to the serious Godzilla due to us having tons and tons of movies that have comedic tones. And for some people they want more serious movies that they can gratitude characters that they can like and generally enjoy watching so that's why a big Porsche of the fan base leans more to minus one while the other half leans towards the monsterverse stuff

I'm actually even more excited for GxK after seeing Minus One because you can't do a serious Godzilla movie better than that. It was truly a cinematic masterpiece so now I have no issue with Legendary going all in on the ridiculous Showa style big dumb fun. IF Toho was not making serious Godzilla films like Shin and Minus One then I would be more critical as I would want the Monsterverse to retain a more 2014 style of tone.

@TheTroy3060

5 ай бұрын

Yeah I like that they can both coexist . The legendary movies especially gxk have tickled the part of me that likes the silly moments in the old ones , but minus one totally hits a different part of godzilla that I also love

@Poliostasis

5 ай бұрын

I really do hate people who try to compare the monsterverse to showa... it is not the same case at all. In many of the showa movies, the human characters are still entertaining. In the monsterverse, not quite as much. So it's not an excuse for them to be super lazy with writing, it can still be fun, but why can't the humans also be fun?

@fernandoortega9682

5 ай бұрын

​@@Poliostasis he complains about the human characters. But it's ok with Godzilla -1. He's a idiot.

@GlobalWarmingDragon

5 ай бұрын

My issue is the inconsistency, As a showa glazer myself, I think keeping a consistent tone is important.

@krook_prothespinosaurus

5 ай бұрын

Fr, I personally like darker Godzilla movies, but I also love sillier Godzilla movies and I think people should stop arguing and enjoying both versions of Godzilla

How can we claim one movie destroyed another when one of them hasn’t even been released yet? I think we should be grateful that we are getting Japanese Godzilla films and an American Godzilla cinematic universe at the same time.

@haramberoth117

5 ай бұрын

Because its a trend. Think please for once. Weve had the same formula for like 3 movies. Humans suck, monster fights cool. Bad story. Gxk will be no different.

@newmanproductionentertainm5127

5 ай бұрын

@@haramberoth117 or you could act like an adult for once and reserve judgements until the film is released.

@LITTLEFOOT918

5 ай бұрын

​@@haramberoth117my guy, what are you pleading for? How up your own ass are you that you can't enjoy what the fans of Godzilla have been getting? Comparing Toho and Legendary is just apples and oranges. Be miserable if you want, I, along with others with a brain will be enjoying it all.

@StuckonStupid84

5 ай бұрын

​@@haramberoth117 Dude, why are you everywhere? Don't you have a life?

@Heisenberg841

5 ай бұрын

@@StuckonStupid84 I bet he does not.

Minus One is the best or second best Godzilla film of all time. No doubt. It was a triumph of storytelling and deserves all of the acclaim that it has and will have had received. Monarch: Legacy of Monsters is a good pallette cleanser to revisit a tone similar to Godzilla 2014. I have thoroughly enjoyed the show and cannot wait for the next episode. I champion the fact that Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire will continue the whimsy personality of the Showa films with state-of-the-art visual effects. I forgive it for being easily accessible, because my inner five-year-old self will be enjoying every moment of escaping my 34 year old, semi-cynical reality for two hours. I want the ridiculous monster action.

@DracoSafarius

5 ай бұрын

While I do love Minus One I can't even put it top 10. Much more a fan of the monster brawling.

@ayiogojo5642

5 ай бұрын

We need more of your kind man

@Atlas-hu9wk

5 ай бұрын

I felt Godzilla vs Kong was more of a second Kong movie and Godzilla just happened to be more of a special guess. For me king of the monsters is still the top one.

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

​@@DracoSafariushuh

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

My only problem with Monarch (so far) is they still haven't connected it to KotM. They finally did connect it to GvsK though which was good. But that came out after KotM so they still need to connect to KotM like those eco terrorists and how they found King Ghidorah and Mothra

I like serious and dark Godzilla movies. I also like ridiculous and funny Godzilla movies. I see _Minus One_ and _The New Empire_ coming out around the same time as an absolute win.

It doesn't matter for me. I am excited for GxK as I loved Minus one. Godzilla has been my childhood. I still supported Godzilla and the Monsterverse. For the haters of Monsterverse, Toho has a hand and partnership dealing with the MonsterVerse - and considers the MonsterVerse Godzilla to be its global Godzilla, they see it with as much value as their domestic Godzilla. To Toho there are no choosing of sides with this, there are no rivalries, Toho has an IP making money for them in both Japan and worldwide, they are getting money either way. I have a fanboyism for Godzilla. I want Godzilla Kong to reach 1 billion in the box office.

@user-bt9yh8jn1q

5 ай бұрын

Monsterverse has gone the Fast and Furious route. General audience are gonna be laughing at the movie. 😂😂😂😂

@ultima4892

5 ай бұрын

Same Godzillas been my childhood too I’ve been a fan since I think 2011 or 2012

@jahayaazizi1472

5 ай бұрын

@@user-bt9yh8jn1q What do you mean? are you hyped for GxK or are you against it?

@user-bt9yh8jn1q

5 ай бұрын

​@@jahayaazizi1472 Neither. you fans are gonna be toxic anyway when it gets released and call critics and other fans haters for criticizing it.

@matthewgramz3648

5 ай бұрын

This guy is a psycho. He pmd me that he was going to kill my family for calling the garbage Monsterverse garbage.

To be fair, Godzilla versus movies and Godzilla solo movies are too completely different beasts. With a versus movie, you have to tell a human story, set up Godzilla's presence, set up the other monster, and set up Godzilla's rivalry with it. This usually leaves you with little time to flesh out any characters that well, especially in a huge ensemble cast. When you think about it, these movies are quite strange and unique. Your hero and villain don't talk and are on a scale that the human characters can barely impact. The Monsterverse focusing more on Kong and allowing him to have more personality and emotion is a smart move since we can invest more in one of the monsters as a character, but like you said, the trade off is he's barely a monster any more. I don't want to say that solo movies like Minus One have is easy or anything. Crafting such a good story and characters is hard either way, but Godzilla doesn't have to do anything in those movies but be the nature side of man vs. nature. He's the shark in jaws. Once you've established his threat, the rest of the movie can be dedicated to crafting your characters and their physical and emotional reaction to Godzilla. Imagine if in Jaws, half the movie had to be spent establishing a giant octopus that was also terrorizing the area which the shark would then fight in the end. I'm not saying it's impossible for a versus movie to have a great story and great characters, I'm just pointing out the more plates you have to spin, the harder it is. I do hope that Godzilla x Kong surprises and has more going for it than just crazy monster action. But the vibe does seem to be that they gave up on any pretense of anything serious or deep.

@Superman-mn1qp

5 ай бұрын

It's possible to do both you would just have to make the movie longer like King Kong 2005. In that movie they had time to do hours of human drama a ton of dinosaur/creature action scenes plus King Kong vs humanity at the end.

@PSYKO-cq1is

5 ай бұрын

its just a kaiju beat em up and i love it for that

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

Was Kong ever really a monster? Even back in 1933?

@TeesterX

5 ай бұрын

​@@budgiecat9039 At the time, it was labelled and seen as a horror movie. Times and attitudes in general have changed drastically since then, and Kong's now regarded more as a heroic giant rather than a monster.

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

@@TeesterX I would say monster movie not horror movie. It's not like Peter Jackson's King Kong movie or the 70's King Kong movie with Jeff Bridges were any different from og Kong or Kong Skull Island

Let's be honest. GODZILLA MINUS ONE still has Toho's legendary look for Godzilla. The American version struggles in that department, but still a great Godzilla depiction. Time to maybe see these films as basically two different Godzillas? Great work on both sides of the pacific by the way. 👏👏

@JarMar3296

5 ай бұрын

Stan Winston's Godzilla design was closest to Toho Godzilla, too bad it never got put on film.

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

​@@JarMar3296I liked it

@treykoyawena4443

5 ай бұрын

@@JarMar3296yep I mean the Godzilla we got in 2014 was okay but maybe it was more of showing how much of a threat he is then have the mutos show unexpectedly. Now having to deal with three monsters and only Godzilla can defeat the mutos then that would have them a reason to keep Godzilla alive. Then realizing Godzilla keeps balance and the only reason he showed up was to take out a threat and humanity was just caught in the middle of a battle. That would’ve been better movie plot Godzilla shows up and the humans try to kill him. Then all of a sudden two more monsters come out then resulting Godzilla having to take out both threats. Maybe since he’s a little out numbered the military helps Godzilla. Idk but it’s just a plot I’ve been thinking about since seeing Godzilla minus one.

@rashaanmcleod

5 ай бұрын

​@@treykoyawena4443what are you talking humans can't kill Legendary Godzilla but they did kill Minus One. Monsterverse all day

Not even close to killing. This is Shin all over again when some people said it dug the monsterverse's grave. This just gives us two different styles of film, and that's good for everyone.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video? Because I say similar things

@DracoSafarius

5 ай бұрын

@@DMan1954 Yeah but that's more broad comment for the video not picking apart/replying to sections of it

I have to blame the critics over the years for what the monsterverse has become. Godzilla 2014 didnt really get alot positive reviews from critics which affected the direction monsterverse took.

@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy

5 ай бұрын

It’s what the fans wanted. KOTM flopped and almost killed the monsterverse. GvK saved it, and look at the hype GxK has generated. Yeah, some people are hating on it but the monsterverse is bigger than ever bc of the direction they took.

@Kaiju-bm4ts

5 ай бұрын

Not necessarily.....critics were actually very positive towards g14, their only criticism was just that godzilla wasn't in the film that much

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

​@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oyYou left out Monarch which is getting a lot of praise but it doesn't share the same goofier tone of GvK and GxK even though it's trying to be the glue to tie all the movies together somehow

@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy

5 ай бұрын

@@budgiecat9039 And what’s the main thing people complain about that show? Outside of the “gay propaganda” from the one episode where we find out Kate is gay. People have been complaining about not enough monster action. Bc no matter what, majority of fans are interested in the monsterverse bc of the fight scenes and other monster scenes. Not the serious tone and great story telling. Not to say it doesn’t matter. But I completely understand why the monsterverse tone changed.

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy Oh yeah the gay stuff at the middle school flashback was pretty shoehorned (though it kinda made me lol cause Godzilla was like 'eff them gay kids' then by the bridge 😂 ). I mean hey...it is San Francisco though Also something struck me as odd about the name of that middle school. Girard Middle School but I looked up the name at the time wondering why they named it that and it was some old philosopher René Noël Théophile Girard December 1923 - 4 November 2015) who was a French polymath, historian, literary critic, and philosopher of social science whose work belonged to the tradition of philosophical anthropology. Girard was the author of nearly thirty books, with his writings spanning many academic domains. Girard's main contribution to philosophy, and in turn to other disciplines, was in the psychology of desire in the form of mimetic theory. claimed that human desire functions imitatively, or mimetically, rather than arising as the spontaneous byproduct of human individuality. The second major proposition of the mimetic theory proceeds from considering the consequences of the mimetic nature of desire as it relates to human origins and anthropology. The mimetic nature of desire allows for the anthropological success of human beings through social learning, but is also laden with potential for violent escalation. If the subject desires an object simply because another subject desires it, then their desires are bound to converge on the same objects. If these objects cannot be easily shared (food, mates, territory, prestige and status, etc.), then the subjects are bound to come into mimetically intensifying conflict over these objects. The simplest solution to this problem of violence for early human communities was to polarize blame and hostility onto one member of the group who would be killed and interpreted as the source of conflict and hostility within the group. The transition from the violent conflict of all-against-all would be transformed into the unifying and pacifying violence of all-except-one whose death would reconcile the community together. The victim who was persecuted as the source of disorder would then become venerated as the source of order and meaning for the community and seen as a god. Very interesting foreshadowing to Kate's backstory in terms of her desires and guilt and Godzilla and the coexistence and balance of humans and monsters overall I guess. Monarch from the jump certainly was never promised to be about monster action but more to focus on the humans, the company known as Monarch and all it's mysteries and bridge the movies together more.

I know this is definitely two different franchises, but it’s so not wrong how GxK is now at a uphill battle with the rest of the franchise where it really has to be good. It doesn’t have to be good as Minus one just good on its own and we can enjoy both. So far it’s a exciting spectacle, although now it seems to have the same exact issues that Hollywood has with the hero franchises unfortunately up against what’s considered to be the best Godzilla film of the decade. GxK has to be able to hold itself up or it’ll sink like every other Hollywood film this year.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Strongly agree

@joeysullivanTM

5 ай бұрын

hell yeah

@jasonrhodes9726

5 ай бұрын

Minus one was way too sappy and overly sentimental. The guy would have had to commit harakiri or faced execution. If it was after the war ended then he would still have been ostracized. The mechanic who thought him a coward wouldn't have told him about an ejection seat, he would have let him prove his bravery one last time. The woman turning up at the end was the overly sentimental part with her surviving voided her sacrifice and took any consequence from the movie. The movie felt like it was written by Americans, not Japanese.

@jamesvarela233

5 ай бұрын

@@jasonrhodes9726 you know you are wrong mostly out of all of that and if you read history you would know well the sentimentalities are there especially after the war. Plus how it’s a bittersweet ending.

@jasonrhodes9726

5 ай бұрын

How is it bittersweet? No one died, not even Godzilla. Nothing had any weight or consequence. It wasn't even childish funny like the Godzilla movies of the was it 50s or 60s when he knew karate and could fly?@@jamesvarela233

One of the worst choices they made in Godzilla 2014 was killing Walter White. The focus should have stayed with him grieving from his wife's death and trying to bring her justice or something 🤔

@Marveryn

5 ай бұрын

agreed. audiences were heavily invested on his character particular since he is the very first one that was introduce. The switch to his son a character who felt bland compare to his father story. if the focus had been on the son early on so we know its was his story we were following the backlash wouldn't had been nearly as bad.

@Orieus

5 ай бұрын

Brutal move ......

@theguyshow3392

5 ай бұрын

Mr. White was the heart beat of Godzilla 2014, fresh from ending TVs greatest show.

@robotrix

5 ай бұрын

Instead they gave us his blank slate son who is a career soldier for no other reason than it keeps him in the action. Really...why would he be in the military? Did anyone catch any explanation for that?

For a lot of people, yes. But to me, why not like two things? I love them both for different reasons.

@kaiju-dr5qn

5 ай бұрын

I agree.

@g405t

5 ай бұрын

same.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

I like them both too. That’s the point of the video.

@MaceDeMarco2010

5 ай бұрын

@@DMan1954 yeah, I know, I wanted to leave my opinion as well.

@kiracollie7115

5 ай бұрын

One destroys the character’s premise, the other honors it. But sure, you do you.

Whilst -1 was an absolute masterpiece, I am still super excited for GXK. It all boils down to preference of film. Some people will love the super serious and dark Godzilla takes, others will prefer the more sci fi or goofy take. Why do we have to compare both? GXK ain’t going to be nowhere near as amazing as -1 and that’s okay. Plus, the movie ain’t out yet. Should we be so judgmental at this point in time? Let the people who are excited or interested in the mediocre American film enjoy it

@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy

5 ай бұрын

“Should we be so judgmental at this point” “GxK will be nowhere near as amazing as -1” “let the people who are excited or interested in the mediocre American film enjoy it” Do you have a brain? What makes the movie mediocre? Bc it’s not serious? Do you consider all the shows era Godzilla movies mediocre? Or just this American Godzilla? Y’all act like Godzilla hasn’t been sci fi/action for most of his movies. Lol the era of Godzilla that most fans love the most is literally sci fi/action.

@MrGoji12345

5 ай бұрын

people just don't appreciate anything. I find it stupid how people immediately change their mind after seeing a new toho film and decide that GXK will be a terrible movie DESPITE it not even being released yet...@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy

@godzillanerd9250

5 ай бұрын

@@MrGoji12345I am extremely excited to see GXK, and I loved Minus One. I only said what I said because I’ve seen so many people crap on GXK when it ain’t even out yet, I myself wasn’t hating on the movie in my original comment I was just frustrated on how some people have been crapping on a movie that isn’t out yet, that’s a part of the same property, but different section I guess of it

I kinda hate how Minus One made people think they’re too good for a goofy version of Godzilla. It’s like the difference between the Showa Era and Hesei Era. One is silly and the other is serious. Both are good.

@TheEnigmaticBM39

5 ай бұрын

Even hiesei Godzilla had movies that were goofy (Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, Godzilla vs mothra battle for earth, etc).

Been watching Godzilla movies since 1974. Minus One is an absolute masterpiece. Godzilla x Kong looks ridiculous. Like a Saturday morning cartoon from the 70's. I'm still going to see it once. I've seen Minus One 5 times. Keep up the good work Dman

@franchisefan918

5 ай бұрын

Monsterverse is basically taking the showa era route

@tctommie68

5 ай бұрын

Totally agree, to me it comes across as very childish. More like 1970s kiddie matinee stuff. Style wise it also doesn't look great or realistic despite te big budget.

Been watching you for awhile and what I love is how much enthusiasm you have for the franchise. This video was excellent. I think the perfect godzilla movie would put the story writing first and be able to balance the spectical with the drama.

This is probably your best video. Godzilla's versatility is dependent on whether the things that he evolved into as a character are present in the original, and Godzilla's silliness isn't one of them. The only thing making Godzilla silly is the premise of the character itself, something you have to suspend your disbelief for in order to consume the content (as you would any piece of fiction). I also am happy that Minus One has made certain Godzilla fans explore proper media literacy and made them think more critically about media in general, and analyze the Monsterverse through a more critical lens. Godzilla should be held at a much higher standard of storytelling and Minus One is evidence. For those that want people to just enjoy Godzilla regardless of the quality of the products, why should we just accept anything that's given to us just because it's Godzilla? That's the same mentality Star Wars fans have, and look where the franchise is now. Same with Marvel up until the beginning of phase 5. We don't want mediocre anymore. We want good

@GoatMalp

5 ай бұрын

AMEN! Your comment, just like this video, is extremely well said. While the last decade has been an amazing blessing for a lifelong Godzilla fan like me, the last few years have been really depressing as a member of Godzilla fan communities. Everyone used to just talk about the movies, frequently very critically. The Millennium era got trashed constantly, and fans of it like me didn't mind. We'd just discuss it. But there's been a change now. There's a huge segment of the fans who think you can't criticize any of it. Because apparently accepting all Godzilla content no matter how much the character is warped and disrespected, is what a "true fan" would do? Are Hollywood productions that adapt existing IPs not notorious for disrespecting the fans and the brand just to exploit it for cash? Copying current trends and dating the entries with dumb studio ideas? Do we not already have a famous example of that from 1998? Where they just said "we want a recognizable name and concept, but Jurassic Park was successful, so let's just make it into that." If I see one more of these "defenders" rebuke a legit criticism by sharing an image of Godzilla sliding on his tail or any of that other camp Showa content, as if it gives the entire franchise half a century later the excuse to not make the slightest effort to be faithful or respectful of the characters or audience... 😑

@Kajiufan2021

4 ай бұрын

Your asking for a club I can 200% see that

The monsterverse is basically the showa Era but with a bigger budget

@Gareth-daupsetpuppy

5 ай бұрын

Thank you someone is finally seeing the direction Legendary is going in. Probably won’t be seeing any flying Godzilla for sure, but a light heart comedic moments always helps lessen a serious or tense moment when needed.

@Fang1st

5 ай бұрын

and worse story.

@YuzuVoices

4 ай бұрын

Not a good thing

@amirwheeler2842

4 ай бұрын

@@YuzuVoices Don't people like the showa era for the cheesenes anyway?

@YuzuVoices

4 ай бұрын

@@amirwheeler2842 It was only cheesy because they were targeted towards children

You know what’s crazy? Minus One didn’t have the best first impression when the teaser released. People were judging his design and were overall somewhat hesitant about the film.

@HydragonofDeath

5 ай бұрын

Alotta people salty they weren't getting a shin sequel thats for sure, look how quickly things turned around.

@Gojilynx

5 ай бұрын

I was hesitant because of everything released by Toho after shin godzilla was pretty mediocre at best for me, and i feel a lot of people shared that sentiment, but after i gave this film a chance, i had to see it, and it is by far my favorite godzilla film to date

@TRIOAntimations

5 ай бұрын

@@Gojilynx That’s completely warranted. The Godzilla Anime Trilogy was just bad. The Godzilla was cool in concept, but it was too slow and boring.

@connork9745

5 ай бұрын

@@TRIOAntimations Godzilla Earth wasn't the issue with the trilogy He can have cool action scenes if they were actually made Heres a fan animation that showcases one fight we could have had we have the world building for the trilogy telling us such a more interesting story the fall of earth and what not but Expectations were wildy different from what we got though kzread.info/dash/bejne/moFsxLJsd5anhrA.html

@TRIOAntimations

5 ай бұрын

@@connork9745 I’ve seen them. And I wasn’t referring to the Godzilla as being slow and boring but rather the films he’s in. Doesn’t help when the characters are trash.

This video was a W I hope you had a great Christmas keep up the good work

Thank you for this analysis! i think this video is something the whole community needed to get a clear POV. And I do agree with everything you said here. Keep up the good work!

Phenomenal video way to rewire my thinking on all these films, especially having a better way of understanding!!

I've been a Godzilla/Kaiju Fan all my life. My Dad showed me these movies back in the day and I've been in love ever since. And honestly? These types of discussions confuse and sometimes even anger me, especially recently with Minus One's impact and success. This genre/franchise was DEAD in the early 2000s (not literally, but you hopefully get my point). There was nothing and I hated it. Then came along the MV and revived the Kaiju Genre which even led to other Kaiju movies and Toho starting the Reiwa Era. We are living in a time where TWO Godzilla Eras are running simultaneously, this has NEVER happened before. Us Kaiju Folks are eating good right now. And thats exactly why I don't get this G-1.0 vs. GxK debate. This is stupid on both sides of the argument. Can't we just be happy that our favorite franchise is in a better state then ever before? We are getting new content left and right and center, it's amazing. Minus One and Shin are masterpieces and the MV has been a lot of fun. I'm just tired of comparing. The MV is dumb showa era cheese and fun. Reiwa is thought provoking and somber. There is something for everybody and both things are fun and valid. Would I want the MV to do better? Of course. But I'm just grateful that my passion franchise is thriving more then ever. Sorry for the rant.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

No worries, man. I completely get it. I don’t really check online discourse much these days (ironically) so I’m not really too aware of the GXK Vs Minus One debate. That’s certainly not what this video is meant to be. This video was a counter argument to the statement that the humans are weighing Kaiju films down. As I stated in the video, I’m optimistic about GXK and want nothing more than for it to be an amazing film. But I am hoping the standard is raised and the bar to measure MonsterVerse films is no longer “Godzilla has X amount of screen time.”

I think some people are missing the point of the video. He’s not comparing MV Godzilla and Toho Godzilla, he’s talking about them together and how they related to one another.

Great video essay man! At first I was a little put off by the GxK trailer but as some time went on it really started to grow on me especially since I grew up with the showa era. I absolutely love dark and gritty Goji entrees but I don't mind some silliness here and there as long as the story is good and Goji is portrayed properly

@matthewgramz3648

5 ай бұрын

You won't find a good story here.

@ShinGoji1987Official

5 ай бұрын

@@matthewgramz3648 It hasn't even been released yet

@matthewgramz3648

5 ай бұрын

@@ShinGoji1987Official but I can judge it based on the trailer and the other Monsterverse movies. They all had shit stories. Hollow earth blah blah, ancient rivalry derp derp dumb. Same shit over and over.

@ShinGoji1987Official

5 ай бұрын

@@matthewgramz3648 And I can still appreciate both Toho's work and the Monsterverse

@matthewgramz3648

5 ай бұрын

@@ShinGoji1987Official good for you. You appreciate stupid jokey Hollyweird crap for some reason.

Both can be entertaining in differnt ways. It doesn't have to be either or. People complaining that 400 ft tall lizards and apes not being "real" or serious enough is kinda silly. When it's better for us fans to support what we like,while not trashing the competition. IM not a shin godzilla fan, but I've also never criticized it. I'll take any legit godzilla,kong movie no matter what.

@haramberoth117

5 ай бұрын

Thats mkt the issue and you people are pissing me off. The problem isnt serious or goofy godzilla. You can have both but the WRITING IS THE ISSUE. If the monsterverse had good writing PLUS goofy fun it Be PERFECT

@joshuacelani1857

5 ай бұрын

​@@haramberoth117so people not sharing your views pisses you off 🤡

@TheEnigmaticBM39

5 ай бұрын

​@@haramberoth117 what is an example of good writing for a "goofy" movie to you?

Why can’t we just enjoy these movies

Nope I say it is hanceed Godzilla popularity big time. More Godzilla the better from either legendary or ToHo 🔥🔥🔥

@dhaitimd1541

5 ай бұрын

Thank you

@Godzilla-tu2cd

5 ай бұрын

​@@dhaitimd1541your welcome 😁

Thank you! You framed the feeling of Minus One that sucker punches and bring it so far up - we're crying for their war to just be over!

Alright its time Put my 2 cents in this Godzilla X Kong and Godzilla minus one should stop being compared to each other It benefits no one and simply does not help the MONSTEVERSE in its certain path The scaling Issue everyone is talking about is true in the sense that they do not move as if their giant monsters, which apparently we now have a problem with as if Godzilla KOTM and GvK didn't have similarly fast moments (GvK literally has a part were Godzilla moves fast as hell on all 4's which NO ONE had a problem with) I'll admit that Godzilla and Kong running is simply goofy there's no way around it BUT you Cannot Ignore that their in fact IS a sense of scale EVEN in the trailer we see The pyramids, a City being leveled by something and the Skar king on the beach all of which debunks that they all look small as we literally see just how gigantic Skar king is on a beach terrorizing people Most importantly the movie is not out We're complaining about things that aren't shown in there true glory, but Random clips we see for like 9 seconds at a time. We don't know the true scale of the film because we haven't seen it yet for all we know the story could be the greatest of the Monsterverse BUT We don't know (Which is my biggest problem with the trailer personally, it didn't show enough of what was actually going on) I understand stand the criticisms of the trailer but we need to except that it's not the final product and act accordingly I'm not bashing anyone for having an opinion but it gets to a point to where others are just biased and I won't stand for it

@Bulbmin1

5 ай бұрын

Finally someone who gets it

@F1_ferrari2004

5 ай бұрын

There was literally some parts that Godzilla starts moving slow in kotm and Gvk and NOBODY NOTICED THAT

@Fang1st

5 ай бұрын

One thing I'll compare is the budget. G-1.0 spent like 15 mill on the movie's budget, where as Monsterverse's 2014 movie spent like 160 million. And each movie gets more expensive.

@RandomBlackGamer

5 ай бұрын

@@Fang1st the fact that G-1 only has a 15 million dollar budget sure raise an eyebrow. Japanese productions are notorious for not paying their staff. So chances are that Toho undercut the cgi animators in terms of pay.

@Fang1st

5 ай бұрын

@@RandomBlackGamer It's possible, I won't say it is, but even then they spent less than 10% of what hollywood spent, so my point still stands. I do hope that the staff got proper payment though.

Thank you for a balanced, well thought out analysis 😂

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

I tried my best!

The trailer for Godzilla X Kong is currently sitting at 24 million views. I’m gonna say that no, Minus One didn’t have any effect on the former, as it shouldn’t. Two completely different films with different purposes.

@weldezzharris

5 ай бұрын

Not to mention, it has over 700k likes on WB YT page alone. Plus, it has no competition when it comes out in April, so I think it will make much more than GvK did

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

Kinda of a shame then for Minus One even though it's getting critical acclaim as well as financial records for a foreign film there's still that barrier of entry that somehow forbids it from doing way better which it deserves all the potential to do much better. This new movie trailer has 24 million views yes but what does that say in comparison to Minus One? Who are all those people who are part of those 24 million views and where were they for Minus One? Have we gotten to a weird point in time where people in the West who are Godzilla fans only care about the Hollywood movies? If Godzilla Minus One is so well received why isn't it being shown more in theaters? Because Minus One is not only a great Godzilla movie but probably and arguably one of if not the best movie of the year. I think it's even up for some Oscars... Why does the fact it's a foreign film handicap it from total success? Why can't it financially be on the same level as the American Godzilla movies. Does Hollywood just purposely handicap and neuter foreign films out of fear? I don't get it. All the people who are psyched for this upcoming Godzilla movie; as Godzilla fans shouldn't they have seen Minus One? If not, what is stopping them? Or is it just that people like sillier premises over serious themed films? Because if I remember correctly, th most successful Godzilla movie of the Showa era was King Kong vs Godzilla, more than the original. Perhaps people all over the world just like the campiness more Minus One is shattering Japanese records but it should be shattering world wide records. It doesn't make sense to me. It cost 15 million to make. These Hollywood movies cost 10 times as much sometimes even more. And so when their returns are in th hundreds of millions, sometimes even that is not enough to even break even. I don't know why a critically successful movie would be handicapped at the theater release. Just release it more theaters then wtf. Is it lack of marketing? What's the issue here. I want a minus one to reach overbloated Hollywood a lesson here.

@weldezzharris

5 ай бұрын

@budgiecat9039 You also have to remember that Minus 1 was initially marketed towards the hard core G fans, which is why it first had a limited release when it was released globally and to fewer screenings as well plus it came out during the Christmas season as well which is a busy time for movies and a lot of competition. It wasn't until word of mouth got out about it that more people started taking notice to it, even toho extended its release overseas. The Monsterverse is marketed towards the general audience a way bigger audience, and that's why it gets more attention. In fact, Toho depends on the monsterverse success to help finance their movies and get Godzilla out to a bigger audience it's a win-win for Toho and for the fans around the world cause we get more Godzilla content

@budgiecat9039

5 ай бұрын

@@weldezzharris All foreign films get limited releases regardless that was part of my point rant. Hollywood has always seemed to purposely nerf the potential of success for foreign films in fear the public might favor them over domestic films. Aft all it is an industry.

@weldezzharris

5 ай бұрын

@budgiecat9039 Why would they market another countries film one thats aimed at a niche audience? It was the word of mouth is when Hollywood had to take notice to it, I know it seems unfair, but that's the business. Minus 1 accomplished some much with very little marketing, which is a testament of how good it is, it's highest grossing toho Godzilla film of all time and winning soo many awards it really beat all the odds

This right here is THE best video of seen arguing what makes godzilla as a whole amazing. Thanks dude i appreciate this video

Guys, let Adam Wingard cook. He has something baking in the oven, just wait, have faith in the Monsterverse!

@kiracollie7115

3 ай бұрын

Okay, shill

Before I've even watched the video, and based purely on the title. I like we're getting gritty and grounded Godzilla films and more fantastical Godzilla films at the SAME TIME!

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Me too. lol

I feel bad that there are still people who compare this films, from 2004-2014 we had a decade long drought of Godzilla, and now Godzilla is literally everywhere, tv shows, good movies, success at Hollywood and some fans complain, JUST BE GRATEFUL AND ENJOY GODZILLA!

@TheEnigmaticBM39

5 ай бұрын

Or enjoy whatever side of Godzilla you like without being toxic since we have the variety we didn't have previously

@jackozilla4172

5 ай бұрын

@@TheEnigmaticBM39 exactlyyyyy

Amazing video. Amazing take!!! I really hope we can get this video out there. I just sent it to a couple of friends that worked on skull island and they said the exact same thing you said. That at some point they lost what they were doing.

Bro I am just happy that we have gotten a whole lot of Godzilla content this year

Having yet to finish watching this video I can't help to point out the comments section here on this video. The fact that there's a division between TOHO and Legendary's Godzillas here, or overall, is just disgusting. Be appreciative that we're receiving two takes on the King of Monsters.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

It annoys me because that absolutely isn’t what this video is about. People just aren’t listening to what I have to say

Whilst minus one is my favourite Godzilla film I'm still interested to see this one, even though I wasn't a fan of Godzilla vs Kong. I'm just glad a traditional toho godzilla film which comes from a franchise monsterverse fans seem to hate is getting this much praise.

This is a brilliant analysis D man. Thankyou for this.

This is one of your best takes yet. Well put together

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Thanks!!

@chriscrowe8672

5 ай бұрын

@@DMan1954 you're welcome. I'm glad to hear someone else feels the same as I do .... a rarity.

I’m still looking forward to seeing GodzillaXKong

D Man you knocked this exposition out of the park and have given your community a considerably amount of insight to digest. These are definitely two different types of Godzilla movies which will undoubtedly pull in different audiences. While I hate seeing Godzilla and Kong running like men in Godzilla X Kong trailers, I will still be able to enjoy the entertainment value of seeing my childhood hero once again on the big screen! While Godzilla Minus One was a masterpiece as the Godzilla movies goes (I loved the fact that it was not dubbed), there is room in my heart to accept and love both kinds of movies. Truly these Godzilla movies are offering something for everyone to enjoy, while someone may not be a fan of one, hopefully they would be a fan of the other.

Great video analysis. 👍

I might disagree with one thing you said about GxK as my perception is different from yours,but I do hear you and I do agree pretty much about everything else. I also loved how you exposed what you wanted to say,it made the video very compelling

I don't want the Monsterverse to end as there seems like there can be a larger story to tell, if they plan something out and start sticking to characters and begin to build up to something with a few cannon spinoff shows or movies that expand the universe and help build and explain lore could be awesome. If they built up to a destroy all monsters Destroyah ending and actually stick to a story and start writing the humans better the Monsterverse could be way better, it doesn't have to be dark and gritty, but it shouldn't be too goofy and ridiculous, there needs to be balance, something that their universe has talked about a lot.

Well one thing to take into consideration when it comes to these films. You can take kids to the Monsterverse movies. You cant take kids to Godzilla minus one, unless you want them to have nightmares lol

You nailed it! I finally had the chance to watch Godzilla Minus One last night, and it's the first Godzilla movie that actually brought a tear to my eye. I loved it! Hell, I think I might actually get my wife to watch it, and that's saying something!

Bravo. Very well said and thought provoking.

Personally I am still very much excited for Godzilla X Kong The New Empire, I know it probably won't achieve the levels Minus One did but I am always for pure fun kaiju adventure and it probably will end up being my favorite movie of next year, I think the movie looks to be very fun and enjoyable despite whatever negative or mixed reactions it may have gotten from others. I am just greatful we are literally in a golden age with kaiju content we can enjoy, but of course everyone will have differing opinions when it comes to this stuff. I comlletely understand that something like GXK is probably not gonna be everyone's thing, but im sure there are plenty of fans and people out there who are very much excited for what Legendary and Toho are offering despite however the trailer was recieved with the mixed reactions, they are eagerly awaiting for another a fun ol kaiju fun fest. Im just happy to have different kaiju movies from two studios. BUT everyone has a right to their opinion and how they feel so it is not my place to judge anyone on how they feel about the MV or other Godzilla content and what they wish they could see or want in future kaiju content. With That being said though looking at some of the comments and replies, this comment section is like a damn warzone between fans, the negativity is usually why I don't really interact with many other fans like that outside of my one friend from childhood. I just find it a sad sight to see when so many fans are at each other's throats and tearing each other apart over different kaiju media, opinions, and criticisms but that is something that will never go away no matter the fanbase. But all in all, there isn't much that can be done. Overall while I am very excited to see Godzilla and Kong together on the big screen for another kaiju sized adventure, I also get what your saying D-man and any explanations/concerns you may have for GXK and the MV as a whole especially with how well Minus One has handled aspects like story and characters. There are other fans I have seen with the same concerns and I am truly sorry if there is any toxicity being pointed towards you from others in the comment section who saw this video that you may have to deal with, I know you work hard on these videos and probably don't like seeing fans so at odds with each other or some comment sections becoming a fandom warzone.

Here for both. Just enjoy that Godzilla fans are eating well now. Excited for both what Toho and Legendary does next. I loved Minus one on Imax. Ill also see Godzilla x Kong on imax. Stop turning nothing into drama, and let people enjoy it.

I like that we’re getting an OG godzilla serious tone, and that we’re getting a more goofy Showa era like godzilla. And I like that the monster verse does focus more on monster fights, because it feels like a movie, but you’re still getting that monster fight almost every other scene. While writing does need to improve, I do actually enjoy them, because they are fun movies.

Really good video. I like the Rewa and Monsterverse movies and I don't want them to be too similar. There's value in some mindless spectacle and if it manages to endear me with a story then even better.

Well yeah true but still I’m just gonna be so excited for Godzilla x kong the new empire because I have came all this way to finally wait for the new mv film I’ll be so happy and hyped up for it 🎉🎉🎉

Godzilla minus zero goes back to 1954 Godzilla, the first disaster horror movie, that takes TOHO to rise in kaiju popularity before Ultraman and others. That might be the answer

@werykjaw

5 ай бұрын

Godzilla minus zero

On New Year's Eve of 2023 I saw this movie all by myself in the theater, and I love everything about it especially them bringing back the 'March of Godzilla' theme, also I couldn't help but tear up at the final of the movie which was a beautiful way to end it.

At last. It seems with G-1, the penny has finally dropped regarding the Big G's films. Making the film more compelling with the human storyline makes the film more compelling overall. I'll be going to watch GXK, but it looks like it's going to be another leave your brain at home type of film, as the Monsterverse films head in a completely different direction to Minus One. Good post highlighting this!

Honestly, while I’m not super excited for GxK the new empire I’m still going to see it regardless. Because I still love this franchise. Whether it be Toho or Legendary I still love both. I think it’s unfair to compare Minus One and The New Empire because they are both different films using the Godzilla character. And you’re right about Godzilla being versatile, whether nuclear allegory or defender of earth I still love the Big G regardless. And I want to see where they can take his character next. Because I still think the Big G has so much potential in both franchises. Now I do have my problems with the Monsterverse as a whole. Like consistency and the poorly written characters. However I am enjoying Legacy of Monsters so far. I still believe the New empire will make money regardless and you can guarantee that we will get more sequels. But for now let’s enjoy the content that we are getting.

It’s the other way around. The amount of memes, publicity, and attention GxK is getting from a single trailer dwarfs any attention I’ve seen Minus One getting. When I get people talking to me about “bro did you just see this new trailer” and then them being shocked when I reply with “yeah, did you see the one that’s *already out?* “ is kinda irritating.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Numbers man. The trailer didn’t pull them the same way GVK or KOTM did

@-MinuGoji

5 ай бұрын

@@DMan1954 I mean hey, we probably live in two completely different areas. Over here GxK is all the hype, and I haven’t really seen anybody discuss minus one. But agree to disagree, I suppose.

@garrettnewell374

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@DMan1954I do think you’re underestimating the power memes can have on film. Also to be fair on Twitter has change a lot it wouldn’t be too surprising the algorithm picks on showing things trend based of a different criteria before musk.

Fantastic video!

You said it, brother. Everything. As a lifelong Godzilla fan, I couldn't have phrased it any better.

To be fair, I think Godzilla x Kong kind of did it to itself with the huge jump from the relatively grounded Godzilla 2014 movie, to whatever it is that it's trying to be now. I should clarify that I don't hate the Monsterverse. In fact, next to Minus One its my favorite Godzilla series of films.

@TylenOneal239

5 ай бұрын

Tell me you never watched the Showa Era Godzilla movies without telling me you never watched the Showa Era Godzilla movies 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@2paleo2ologist80

5 ай бұрын

@@TylenOneal239hell, I’d put the Heisei series too, Godzilla 1984 was grounded and we went straight to a dead girl’s spirit possessing a Godzilla-plant hybrid in the follow-up lol

@gojithefatlizard_official

5 ай бұрын

​@@TylenOneal239but are they part of the monstervers though?

@freedomwriter9688

5 ай бұрын

@@gojithefatlizard_officialbut they done some weird concepts before. It just funny they are criticizing the American films when toho has done to before

@haramberoth117

5 ай бұрын

​@@TylenOneal239thats such a weak argument. Sure the showa movies get goofy but the story and characters for the most part are enjoying to watch. The monsterverse has no story and no good characters and poor writing.

It really doesn't matter who's or not and we should just enjoy the movie.

I'm so glad you made this video, it put into words what I couldn't do with my thoughts of the Monsterverse. I don't *hate* the monsterverse Godzilla, though I've always had problems with it due to the story. Don't get me wrong, I'm more than happy with a 'heroic Godzilla' like the showa era movies, I love Godzilla vs Gigan, and with Godzilla and Anguirus talking to each other, but even in the older movies with cheesy plots and stories for the human characters, they manage to at least hook you to the characters in some way shape or form to keep you attached to the overall plot of the movie outside of the monster fights. Shin Godzilla and Godzilla -1.0 may not have much action or other monsters, but the story, the emotional deliveries and the musical scoring is so fantastic and fitting that I really have a hard time deciding which Godzilla movie is my favorite (those two along with Godzilla vs Destroyah, Final Wars, Godzilla vs Gigan, and GMK.) Monsterverse however, they just never capture the essence of Godzilla. I'll admit I don't like his design, it really alters my interest in the movies, but the 'Hollywood' acting, the cringe one-liners they squeeze in from King of the Monsters onwards, the message of Godzilla is only doing all of this just to keep balance, or be the top Alpha Titan, or whatever the reason, it just does what you said and turns him into a superhero, running like he's part of the avengers. Still, I'd love to be proven wrong and have GxK be a great movie, I've just lost the ability to get my hopes up, lol.

Strong analysis D Man

Great video Derek. I honestly couldn’t say it any better. Thats exactly what has happened to the Monsterverse. What worries me more is that it’s gone the way the Batman movies did years ago and it’s almost about selling toys. I say that figuratively for Godzilla here but it’s a franchise killer. It killed that Batverse. It could kill the Monsterverse. I hope I’m wrong.

@LITTLEFOOT918

5 ай бұрын

You're wrong.

@zilla092

5 ай бұрын

@@LITTLEFOOT918great post/response. Well thought out. You see, people can have opinions. It doesn’t make them wrong. You have a nice night.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

I have thought a lot about how we are mirroring the 90e Batman trajectory. You are 100% right and anyone who knows film history knows that. I hope the MonsterVerse has a different fate. I think it will

@matthewgramz3648

5 ай бұрын

@DMan1954 it's dead. All comic booky jokey franchises are dead.

@joshuam.6027

5 ай бұрын

nah, Wingard is leaving after this, they'll bring back the previous ones.@@matthewgramz3648

“Guys, Godzilla is better than Godzilla”

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Not the video

@sklorp2809_2

5 ай бұрын

@@DMan1954 I know lad.

Im just glad were getting so much content in the first place, two Goji films released within MONTHS of each other? Um yes PLEASE

The contrast between the two tones is their greatest strength. Minus One is an absolute triumph, but that doesn’t mean a silly Godzilla movie can’t be enjoyable in its own (and different) way. Every time there’s a new Batman movie people act like the previous version now sucks and the newest version is the best thing ever. Then it happens again. Same thing happens here. The Toho Godzillas will ALWAYS be the definitive versions, but that doesn’t mean other versions can’t exist alongside them.

It seems to me that no matter what Japan puts out it will be seen as "better: than the Monsterverse. They could make a cheesy 1960's style godzilla movie suits and all and critics and such will say how much better it is than the USA versions.

@TheEnigmaticBM39

5 ай бұрын

People seem to forget that the reiwa era also produced the anime trilogy and the other shows that weren't that good too.

The whole "Compelling Characters" argument is feelings-based. Can you prove or measure your emotions? You can't.

@TheEnigmaticBM39

5 ай бұрын

I personally liked the characters in KOTM and skull island. That was the right balance to me.

You nailed it in this video a lot of general public forget that Godzilla was once a very compelling movie franchise before became goofy and outlanders during the 1960s and 70s I mean there’s nothing wrong with godzila having a lot of fun and heart and Groove spectacles but as you said, the story should come first always daddy yeah usually Godzilla’s best movies is where he doesn’t have too many screen time like a invision of Astro monster is very underrated my opinion so yeah

12:01 I would argue (based on my limited knowledge of Japanese culture, so... grain of salt) that Godzilla -1 IS ALSO about Japan's response to WW2 and the two government's response (or lack of) to Godzilla. As well as being about trauma and how Japan treated their soldiers. There's so much going on in that film, and Godzilla is the catalyst for all of it, as he should be. Keep up the good work!

NGL While I love minus one, I think its time to stop doing the 1954 shit again, we have minus one, we have shin. Toho should just let it rest at that and stop remaking the 1954 film over and over and over again. And I'd honestly rather minus one stay a standalone film, no sequels, no prequels, let the masterpiece lie in its current state. We know toho sucks at making sequels (except for the kiryu movies), and every time they make sequels to darker, more serious movies, they end up being derpy monster fight movies anyways. I would honestly love for Toho to actually make a movie based on what Singular point was originally going to be, an army of Samuraii fighting Godzilla. Or hell even a universe with a Shadow of the Colossus theme for the godzilla universe. Or a steampunk or cyberpunkish type universe, since godzilla so far has almost always been featured in a modern era placed somewhere within 100-200 years, and there is so much more the character could be taken in. (Anime trilogy did do this but it was executed horribly, with the directors not agreeing on what to do with the movie in the first place). So I appreciate the Monsterverse trying to do something new with a unique take on the universe. My main gripe is that this IS supposed to be the same universe as 2014, and it feels like a lot of shit just got dropped super fast and sudden without any buildup in between. I think KOTM would have benefitted from being 2 movies, 1 movie that builds everything up, establishes stuff with mothra and godzilla and all the other titans, and ending with ghidorah being freed from the ice. And part 2 being Godzilla actually fighting ghidorah. Sure some people would be pissed it didn't happen in the first movie, but the plot would have time to breath. Hell, in KOTM, a huge emphasis was put on the connection between Godzilla and Mothra, but the two don't even interact at all in the movie. And although KOTM wasn't the best, I think it did set up incredible and near infinite potential to take the monsterverse in, and I think by putting all the titans to sleep rather than have them active and have humanity need to learn to coexist with titans for the sake of having Godzilla and Kong feeling more special only made the universe feel smaller, despite the introduction of the hollow earth. I honestly have no problem with Godzilla or the kaiju being characters (seriously, one of their contracts literally says legendary can't allow godzilla to display emotion, eat, or do much of anything outside of fight things), and I feel like Toho's idea that godzilla shouldn't be a character but instead be some force of nature and thats that is stupid, considering the original 1954 film very much so had godzilla be a character.

These are 2 completely different movies minus one is a sad emotional movie about post war japan and a giant lizard is destroying stuff in the background gxk is more like the heisei/showa/millenium movies where it’s fun not trying to be this big emotional movie it’s just monster action people need to stop comparing these 2 completely different movies which one hasn’t even came out yet and it won’t until I think it was like mid 2024 and for people who hate the mv just stop watching videos on it and stuff about it like I hate Disney so I stay away from most of their stuff And about the video gxk is gonna be released next year so -1 will have 0 effect on that movie and just because the new mv movie isn’t gonna be a sad,emotional movie and (probably not) a masterpiece of a film like -1 doesn’t mean people aren’t gonna go watch it like I liked -1 more than anything in the mv but that doesn’t make me hate the mv and never make me wanna see another one of their movies Edit:Also the trailer wasn’t fully finished it was just trying to release it around -1 to get some more hype so the movie will (I’m 99% sure)have better cgi and they might change a few scenes from the trailer and this will definitely make a lot of people mad but shin and -1 might of not even released and if they did they definitely wouldn’t doing as good if it wasn’t the MV that’s just the truth

Giant monster drama and giant monster action. Appreciate both!

Interesting discussion 🙂👍

Hollywood's obsession with spectacle hurts the overall quality of their films. Substance should always come before spectacle. That's how you get films that matter, films that people remember for years, even decades. This also applies to kaiju films. Let budget be decided by substance and you'll see better films with lower budgets.

Can't kill something that isn't out yet.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

I mean… yeah. That’s kinda the topic of conversation 😂

@Psyclonus7

5 ай бұрын

@@DMan1954 title just a bit click-baity though

@Fang1st

5 ай бұрын

... ... ... no one tell this mane about planned parenthood... >.>;

I miss KOTM-era so much. That was probably my fav point of the Godzilla wavelength in recent years. As a fan since 2000 it was peak.

Nice assessment.

This is the same thing that's happening with the Transformers franchise, people wanted the transformers to be back to their classic days, with og designs and everything and hated the Bayverse with a passion. Then we got Rise of the beast and that movie didn't even do well, it even had a consistent story. It was just boring. Despite what people say of the bayverse films they were fun to watch and had people hyped. I see the same thing with MV and Minus 1. Yes Minus 1 had good characters and story but eventually it'll become stale and people will get bored. Because let's be honest we just want Godzilla. Even if the characters are great you didn't come there solely to watch them. I feel like people will get invested in Minus one then immediately regret it and say they miss the MV days.

I wouldn't be as skeptical about the current Monsterverse, if I believed it arrived where it is on purpose. There's a big difference between intentionally framing your movies as callbacks to the lovable antics of the Showa-era and leaning hard into science-fantasy because you can't find the equilibrium that lends your monster-action, character development, and worldbuilding sci-fi cred. It's exhausting to get excited about a thing's initial concept--to invest years, seasons, and seasonal breaks, only to seethat thing morph into something entirely different than what it is you were sold on. And it's even more tiring of to cope with it just because you have genuine love for whatever the original thing was that's stringing you along in it's present form. Minus One is a "pace-car" for what the Monsterverse wanted to be in G2014 and should be going forward. I don't want another "Transformers franchise." So yeah, fight me.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

Well said!

@joeysullivanTM

5 ай бұрын

well said friend

*SPOILERS!* "GMO" did such a fantastic job with its' human characters that I not only wiped tears away more than once, but I was actually happy that Noriko survived a nuclear explosion! (Yeah, I saw the mark on her neck. I know that it did something to her that helped her live.) Just so you know, I hated that the son survived in Spielberg's "War of the Worlds". I even had a thought about it when I saw her alive, but Koichi had been through so much that he had earned a happy ending in my book!

Destroy? Most unlikely. Both Toho and legendary are using two different sides of the same coin that is godzilla. One that is serious as originally intended and the other is the fun monster brawl.

Minus One showed that there is more to Godzilla than just the blockbuster experience that the Monsterverse gives. I don’t think it will take away too much from GxK other than the difference in strength of the story being told. Two different kind of WOW factors. I’m not overly excited about GxK because the novelty of the monster fights being done that way may be wearing but I will still check it out.

Who cares it’s all good we’re getting more and more Godzilla

A good Japanese kaiju film with human characters you actually care about is Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris. It is a good balance of human and monster action and should be an inspiration when it comes to non-solo Godzilla films going forward.

Saying that camp isn't a legitimate part to Godzilla's history, to me, is the equivalent to saying that Adam West isn't a legitimate part of Batman's history. Not to gatekeep or anything, but the "real" Godzilla fans know that the MonsterVerse is basically adapting the Showa Era of Godzilla movies (which is the era that most Godzilla fans grew up watching!). Sure, my favorite Godzilla stories are the ones that are darker and more grounded, don't get me wrong, but watching Godzilla beat up the "bad guy" monsters just brings out my inner child and it makes me smile! I can't speak for everyone else especially when it comes to a big blockbuster that is supposed to appeal to everyone, but Minus One did not kill my own hype for Godzilla X Kong. Minus One is a masterpiece (and my favorite film of the decade so far), but I am ready to have a FUN Godzilla movie, too!

Dude, I totally agree with you on the scaling issue, it is a genuine problem people are so quick to dismiss. The amount of people I’ve seen purposefully misrepresenting the criticism as “ Godzilla can’t run” is crazy… somehow if we draw attention to this we aren’t “true fans”

@matthewgramz3648

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. And they point to goofy movies like Godzilla vs Megalon and Hedorah to excuse how stupid Godzilla looks sprinting like a track runner. There's a big difference. Those Showa era movies had a teeny tiny budgets and technical limitations. There's no reason a $200 million movie in 2024 should look this bad. They could do that exact same shot of Godzilla and Kong moving towards the screen and make them look massive and heavy. And people also forget that at the time many Godzilla fans did not like the goofy direction those movies were heading in. They were more or less flops.

@user-li4gj8yf2x

5 ай бұрын

@@matthewgramz3648 I completely agree, the amount of people I’ve seen say “well in the Showa era” that’s exactly my point bruh, this is the monsterverse, if you want goofy Godzilla go watch the gemstone shorts. And Godzillas run towards mechagodzilla in GVK was phenomenal, you could feel the power behind every step.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

One underrated aspect of the GVK sprint is how Godzilla needs to use the buildings to propel his movements. The only reason he goes that fast is because he uses all his energy to do so. It’s amazing

Pfffftttt. Kong and godzilla will do fine, as both creatures have major IP status and most GZ fans dont freaking care about humans in the plot anyway. 99% of Toho Godzilla films (Minus One and Original) had good characters or human protagonists. The entire Toho film roster, including Shin GZ, had shit garbage human characters and silly as hell plots. And yet they made money. I want a silent film solely from the Kaiju point of view to be honest. If you want to make a serious oscar winning "Kaiju film", go ahead watch Peter Jackson Kong or Minus One. I am more than happy for dumb FUN like Godzilla vs Kong was and most Kaiju films have, thus I am hyped for Godzilla Kong New Empire. Hope its as fun and dumb as the last movie.

Well said 👍

I love this video style

No….apples and oranges

@user-bt9yh8jn1q

5 ай бұрын

Yup. Pink Barbie Godzilla is lame and Arm band Kong is ridiculous 😂😂😂😂

@heretopissyouoff8439

5 ай бұрын

​@user-bt9yh8jn1q by that same logic the showa and heisei movies were also ridiculous and bad

@user-bt9yh8jn1q

5 ай бұрын

​@@heretopissyouoff8439 Stop acting like Heisei and Showa are suddenly apart of the Monsterverse. There are their own thing😂😂😂

@2paleo2ologist80

5 ай бұрын

@@user-bt9yh8jn1qthe Showa and Heisei still began as grounded but became goofy ahh style right away bruh I’m looking at hypocrisy at its finest

@user-bt9yh8jn1q

5 ай бұрын

@@2paleo2ologist80 So you fans want Monsterverse to copy Showa and Heisei instead of being it's own thing. LMAO Monsterverse is gonna FLOP 🤣 😂

I only think the MonsterVerse isn't looking good is because of the shift change from 2014 and Skull Island. They don't feel like they are in the same universe. I'm fine with Godzilla x Kong, and I actually cannot wait until it comes out, they just don't stack up together as a cinematic universe. And it doesn't help that Minus One is so well received and the drastic tonal differences are so close together with reveals for each of them. if they were released a year apart, The New Empire would't be hated at all.

@DMan1954

5 ай бұрын

New Empire might just be like one year too late. It sort of missed the opportunity to strike while the GVK iron was hot and Minus One slipped in as a not so subtle reminder of the grounded world the MonsterVerse started as

Great Video buddy and honestly your 100% Right on this topic, Story matters the most in a movie, as someone who do Writting scripts myself SO TURE! also i´d like to add I think what might be happening is the Same thing as what happenede with Dinosauria leading up to Jurassic World Dominion, with how David showed off the Dinosaurs far better off and used them better then Jurassic Wrold did as well as depicting them better too, also worth noteing i have thought about Doing my Owen Godzilla content because of GxK, getting kinda tired of How it was makeing Kong too much of a focus in GxK and unless the 2nd trailer proves me otherwise im kinda wonder if i should Watch the movie, so far only in IMax for me, also part of me thinks Skar king might be a little bit lame and they should had saved King of the Monsters for After Godzilla vs Kong(and maybe Godzilla x Kong: The new Empire too) if they were gonna use king ghidorah, that did inspire me to add Godzilla to my Owen projects too, let´s see if when the 2nd Trailer comes out if i´ll change my mind on this topic or not, for now it just feels more or less like another super hero Movie whice i Feel like GvK did suffer from tho not to the same extreme as GxK dose here.

As a Godzilla fan, I can happily say that I loved both films & don't care because there's something for every fan. We're in a Godzilla renaissance right now. Goji vs Kong, Goji -1, Monarch TV Show; we're getting spoiled with so much content and I'm all here for it.