Should the Seahawks extend Rashaad Penny? What do you guys think?

@chasemetzger8696

2 жыл бұрын

Probably not. RB are easy to replace and paying RB is not a good way to build a Super Bowl roster. Also, you mentioned his injury history. Seems like RB is one of the most injured positions in the league.

@jjboycrew8297

2 жыл бұрын

@@chasemetzger8696 I disagree, it wouldn’t cost much to extend him. So they should

@da.chan-imal

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with your breakdown! I think he has the upside that's worth resigning IF it's a reasonable deal. Will not overpay because his style is too boom or bust + injury history. So it comes down to the offers he receives around the league and if they're overpaying or if we can match a reasonable contract.

@JT-lk1rv

2 жыл бұрын

I’d bring him back on a one year minimum, and see how the backfield does with him and Carson splitting carries. If neither of them can stay healthy I’d let Penny walk and trade Carson, I know people say RB is the easiest position to fill but there just aren’t that many good backs in the market within our price range while trying to rebuild other core positions on the team

@JonSwansonE

2 жыл бұрын

I think we should, and I think up to 4 mil a year is worth it. You mentioned 2 mil a year max though. In your opinion, what's the usefulness/value of that extra 2 mil in cap space? Is that value worth more than a genuine home run threat in the backfield?

This analysis confirms why Pete wanted the Carson + Penny duo so bad, they compliment each other's games perfectly. In games when Penny cannot created holes you can play Carson to run through people with brute force, and when there are holes and the blockers are succeeding, you play Penny to hit the home run.

@introvertedbro5365

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but they never started in the same game.

@LoganSimpkins04

2 жыл бұрын

@@introvertedbro5365 I think 2019 was our only sample.

@BalzanKillA

2 жыл бұрын

@@introvertedbro5365 hopefully next year even tho i have a bad feeling they’re gonna trade Carson for picks or something

@ID0XX

2 жыл бұрын

@@PeteMD agreed Penny is a home run threat. Home run threats like cook, JT, Henery get better with carries. Carson should only come in when Penny is winded. Penny has all his college confidence back and the reason why he wasn’t performing and getting injured because he would only get 4 carries a game. Then when he got in he would pull a hamstring. I’m a running back to and when you’re the size of Penny and don’t get warmed up in a game and suddenly thrown out into the game in the 4th you might tweak something or won’t take contact right. Penny should have 85% of the carries next year. Carson is only good for getting those 6-8 grind yards.

@w8stral

2 жыл бұрын

If you asked me, Penny's game compliments NO ONES game

Would be nice to post an update now that he burnt the Cardinals defense... 18th best in yards/carry allowing 4.4 but only allowed 8 rushing tds, 5 carries over 20, and 1 over 40 all year. Penny was a force

@BalzanKillA

2 жыл бұрын

As a Seahawks fan I couldn’t be happier for next season, before penny turnt up I was unsure but now I’m having 2013 flashbacks

@SamuelGoldNFL

2 жыл бұрын

Penny played really well, but his OL/scheme was ridiculous too. Penny gained 8.3 ypc. His RYOE was 3.3 ypc. That means his OL/scheme created 5.0 ypc... which is absurd. I LOVE him in open space and he straight up destroyed a bunch of defenders that way. He ALSO had that badass juke move vs Chandler Jones as well at the LOS.

@w8stral

2 жыл бұрын

Because Cardinals pass defense was always sitting on the side and the stats are skewed by everyone trying to catch the Cards. Only last few games has anyone been within breathing distance of the cards and can run the ball... You might notice they were LOSING those games...

@BalzanKillA

2 жыл бұрын

@@w8stral cardinals get into the playoffs one time and their fans don’t know how to act

@runningriot6399

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamuelGoldNFL ryoe is a good tool but it’s not the end all be all. We’re watching how great he is in real time and on tape. the Seahawks were terrible running the ball all year. Penny is a difference maker.

He just ran all over a Top 10 run defense today. 23 carries for 190 yards and a 62 yard TD. I'd say he's actually great.

@andrewcurtis714

2 жыл бұрын

True but he's still a bust to these wannabe coaches I mean why even talk about what should or needs to be done you really think they give an actual fuck about your opinion it's useless to them.

@twiddledeedee

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewcurtis714 A bust means that the production doesn't match the investment. I still say he meets that criteria due to his injury. However, just because you're a bust doesn't mean you can't be a good player

@edubb2491

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewcurtis714 what? Who cares..if we can get him cheap

@andrewcurtis714

2 жыл бұрын

@@twiddledeedee I know what a bust means lol I'm not saying it I have faith in penny

@andrewcurtis714

2 жыл бұрын

@@edubb2491 you read my post wrong I'm not trashing penny I'm irritated with other hawk fans trashing penny

Thanks for the analysis, Sam! I appreciate you keeping us realistic and aware that, even though he's done well the last few games, it's been because of the teams he's going against and the o-line giving him lanes. I definitely want him back but only at the price you were saying.

In previous years, Penny's only big plays were him bouncing a run to the outside and turning the corner. This year he's breaking them between the Tackles. I wonder if his field vision has improved. He also gave a ton of credit to AP helping him with his practice habits, game prep and watching film.

This production is not sustainable with penny imo, that being said, he and the oline have been balling. Hope he comes back and we sign a good RB to pair with him going forward with an improved oline.

Awesome video! It’ll be good for me to have more realistic expectations about what kind of player he is likely to be going forward

Just as an update from his Cardinals game: Penny played really well (deserves a ton of credit!), but his OL/scheme was ridiculous too.... Penny gained 8.3 ypc. His RYOE was +3.3 ypc. That means his OL/scheme created 5.0 ypc... which is absurd. I LOVE him in open space and he straight up destroyed a bunch of defenders that way. He ALSO had that badass juke move vs Chandler Jones as well at the LOS. IF he keeps making juke moves at the LOS and stays healthy, I will happily create another video on him :)

After this game against the cardinals I think so

I was down with Sam at 5k 💯 Congrats on your way to 1 million subscribers.

At the end you answered your question very clearly and concisely - well done

A relatively brittle running back like Penny simply cannot be counted upon to be the work horse starting back. He would best serve as a quality backup who is subjected to limited carries and punishment.

@w8stral

2 жыл бұрын

And can run against BAD run defense teams because the dude literally cannot break a tackle to save his life.

@riftplut0474

2 жыл бұрын

@@w8stral he ran all over Arizona I’m fairly confident he could

@w8stral

2 жыл бұрын

@@riftplut0474 Arizona who has had no one run at them all year as they were behind. Arizona which had nothing to play for, and since almost no one runs at all in the NFL anymore.... run stats mean nothing or next to nothing. And the dude cannot break a tackle to save his life. Bring him back if he is cheap, otherwise, do NOT give him Chris Carson money.

Almost 100k subs Sam!

Very honest and objective. Thanks Sam

Fast forward to 2023 off-season, Philly picked him up for $600,000 Fully Guaranteed... thats a steal. Not to mention, one of the best Sports Medicine group in the league. Oh, I forgot, he's running behind arguably... The best O-Line in the league.

hey Sam, I want to start being able to break down film and understand concepts more any advice on doing that i really admire your ability to breakdown concepts,schemes and Game film overrall.

@camerond8872

2 жыл бұрын

Bro just liked it 😂

I expect another video from you after today's game lol, I still wouldn't give him top dollar but I will keep him on a proven season deal

This is what I thought. Almost 100 percent. Thanks for the vid Sam

I like your balanced assessment. I also think AP whispering in his ear was another big change. Lastly as noted, without decent blocking...well...you know.

Short answer: Yes. Long Answer: Yes. The only reason he's been bad is because of injury issues.

I’m okay with resigning for a 1 or 2 year deal that is not close to the veteran minimum deal… so long as there are contingencies against injury

In his career with the Hawks, he's not gotten the reps to get into a "flow" or "rhythm" with his O line.....until the past few weeks. Now that he's gotten 15+ carries per game, look what he's done!! In seeing his highlights, particularly in slo-mo, I've personally been missing just how good his line-blocking vision really is, and his breakaway speed is surprisingly good for a bigger back. IMHO, the only concern I have is his durability. I'd be willing to spend the money in keeping him to find out. One other question i have.....I haven't looked up his receiving stats; does anyone know if he has good hands, catching the ball out of the backfield?

@Runescapewithred

2 жыл бұрын

He's got good hands from what I've seen. Wilson just can't check down to save his life and they would rather go with Homer on passing downs which is fine seeing as he's maybe the best blocker out of the Seattle backs.

He is a beast. Look at his college film at SDSU. injuries have held him back.

He's always been a home run hitter out of the backfield and the number of carries he gets is out of his control, hopefully he can stay healthy.

Just went for 190 against a good D today

As a Seahawks fan, i like to see at least 3 top 10 run def team before we can say he is great. If the price is right, Penny is a must signed

Great points!! I agree

He reminds me of Derrick Henry. Chopped down at the line of scrimmage a lot but when he busts loose, look out.

Fair analysis. Thanks

I watched Penny for 3 years at San Diego State. He’s excellent on the outside, but if he can get good blocking up the middle, he’s gone. The only reason he’s not the SDSU all-time rusher, is that he had Donnell Pumphery in front of him for his first two years at State.

He will fit in nicely with the Eagles runningback rotation.

Penny just needed a shot being RB1 for more than a game, burying his talent in the depth chart did him no good, plus he’s in a diff offensive system now. He’s now playing in a run system style similar to that he played in in college. Under shotty they kept trying to use him in a grinder roll.

@Cucumberdrx

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.....now just hoping he can remain durable with 15+ carries/game.

That block from Lockett at 1:24 is pretty sweet.

Howie roseman was here

Have you watched film of Derrick Henry? Almost identical in what happens with contact in the backfield. Henry needs to get downhill a bit before be becomes dangerous. Sometimes it even looks like he realizes that the blocking won't work and saves energy for plays when the blocking is working. I saw these same things from Penny

Nice analysis! appreciate it as an Eagles fan :)

Could be a great series! Do it on Amon-Ra St Brown, Hunter Renfrow, Dawson Knox, Cordarelle Patterson and Jalen Hurts

With how bad our o line is, penny tearing up the final qtr of the season is absolutely a good sign, and has changed my mind on him being a bust. His injury record is still highly scary, we should resign him for cheap and keep AP to be a player coach

@Ben-qx1yw

2 жыл бұрын

Our o line is below average at pass protection, but we gotta give them credit for the wide holes they create for Penny

Here after he dropped 190 on cardinals top 10 run D

Ha! Def time to update. Dude went crazy against a good defense

Superb video! How much money do you think that Rashad Penny will get offered on the free agent market?

Oh wow, just when I thought Penny was a bust, I’m glad he proved me wrong. Hey Sam, with the season coming to an end, could you do a video on drafting need vs best available player?

Penny is a heavy runner thats also fast. Not many want to get in his way.

Penny is good. Carson wouldn’t have done the same with that o line.

What do you think of LT Cam Robinson? He stands to get paid as the best FA out there at LT. Is he worth it? What's his next 5 years look like?

He will look good in Kelly Green!!!

I would love for the bills to sign him I think he just fits what they need at rb. They need someone that can be a homerun hitter at rb in open space. Singletary is great at making people miss and has good burst but not great straightline speed. Penny would see tons of light boxes due to Allen's threat and as a thrower and their WR weapons. Play action next to JA17 would open up a bunch for him too.

I think our Oline improved a hell of a lot better then last season! But compliments to Penny man was doing his thang the last few games of the season!

I remember Thomas Rawls,injuries have destroyed so many careers,some before the player has even got started.

AP put the confidence back into pennys soul , I think he will go into next yr with a passion and him and chris will lead the league in yrds .. GO HAWKS

Video update please, considering how he played week 18.

@SamuelGoldNFL

2 жыл бұрын

Why exactly? He looked great in Week 18, but his OL created 5 ypc per next gen stats... this goes along with what I talked about in the video

Part of me values the ROE% more than per attempt. I say part, because it's just theoretical (consistency, and not being skewed by outlier runs - in that way per-attempt is no better than YPC). In practice, how many more runs per game over expected is the number 1 guy in ROE getting you, compared to the 15th, 20th, etc guy? It would probably suffer from the same issue (single game sample size), but I wish the raw data was available, so we could calculate a success-rate over expected (or just total successes over expected). A guy who turns an otherwise negative EPA run into a positive one (even if he doesn't break off a huge gain), on a regular basis, would be pretty valuable, imo.

Can you do one on jordyn brooks. Been playing great this season

@omarruiz1795

2 жыл бұрын

Dude has been awesome for us this season

What's crazy is a big reason the Seahawks drafted Penny so high was his durability and lack of injury throughout college. The draft can be quite the crapshoot

His 1 cut ability is perfect for a shanahan/Kubiak type offense.

2:10 trying not to notice that my future brother-in-law Tyler probably cost us the TD when he didn't pick up #26

Hey man, can you please make an episode on analyzing o-line units?

Anyone here after he torched a good d like the Cardinals 191 yards

Just happy he got some shine.

Yes he is good!

Answer: Yup

penny has always been good. just battling injury

I agree. If he wants to stay with us it will have to be done on the cheap

He always had this in him, just can't stay on the field. Unfortunately it will happen again and again.

Samuel, I enjoy your video breakdowns and I find you've seen things that a lot of NFL teams haven't themselves seen in their players, and once again your analysis is very eye-opening. The lion's share of yearly budget was eaten up by Wilsons overpayment (yes he was over-payed - if you are trying to win championships see how Tom Brady does it) and subsequently the consequence of that is having an offensive line that isn't able to do adequate blocking to give Penny the open looks that would make him explosive as you've shown here. If the o-line are able to get Penny the open speed to get explosive - they could be the top running team in the NFL which sets up play action - and with number 14 as a receiver as well as Lockett to keep the secondary honest, they could be unstoppable. Penny is worth every 'penny' - he's not the budget problem or even a concern (and injuries should not be a determination of whether they are worth paying or not - are we seriously punishing someone for being injured?) Wilson's overloaded budget makes it challenging to build an o-line that can do the job it needs to do. Wilson needs to think championship first - but let's see if he's even a Seahawk next year.

Feeling any different after the Arizona game? Just curious.

Penny is the truth. He has great vision, great feet and that burs is comparable to Barry Sanders. He deserved to get picked in the late 1st round no question.

When Penny and Barkley were drafted I honestly (maybe stupidly!) thought that Penny was the better player. Barkley was too on and off for me, and definitely did not seem to carry his explosion through the entire game and created too many negative plays. To watch Penny struggle with health throughout his career so far is disappointing. However, I have always liked the person, and there aren't too many running backs out there that can claim regardless of blocking in front of them 5.5 yards per carry for their career. This year he finished with 749 rushing yards on 119 carries if I'm calculating correctly for a whopping 6.3 yards per carry, and this recent team the Hawks destroyed was pretty good against the run. He tied for the most 25-yard gains in the league at a third of the carries of the other guy. He has definitely played himself into a higher than league minimum type contract, and good for him. I hope the Hawks can work him into their plans at a reasonable rate. You not only need talent, you need depth, and they can look to add another guy in the draft.

Never doubted his skill, just doubted his availability. If he can stay healthy, he’s dangerous. Especially considering since this video he had 190 yesterday against the cardinals defense.

Waiting for Penny revisited video, after Penny tore up the Cards . Gotta resign him

Unless it’s a one year “stay healthy” deal, I’d rather not sign him. Carson is probably on his way out too. With a line creating that much yardage, you could draft a guy and back him up with Collins/Dallas/Homer.

Yes

Imagine, had Penny rushed like he did the last 5 of 17 games for the whole season, he would have gained 2281 yards (2147 in a usual 16-game season) - more than LA Rams' Eric Dickerson's all-time rushing record of 2105 yards in 1984!

am i the only one thinking that this dude reminds me of Marshawn Lynch when he was early in his career? Obviously lynch broke more tackles and made more out of nothing, but penny is showing that he can be good against good defenses after just dusting the cardinals defense week 18.

B.S. Rashaad Penny.. BIG YES..!

Yes. He’s good - when healthy. He’s played very well in those games; his issue unfortunately has been availability - not necessarily his fault.

Samuel and all Hawks fans: Don't do this. Don't give me hope. Penny: I'm sorry I couldn't give it to you earlier

Start him or sony this week for my 2nd round fantasy championship

What about the cardinals game

See what he did against the cardinals

Yeah take a look at the Cardinal game😀

In college i used to call him Rashaad Watch My Feet Penny

do jordyn brooks pleaseee

Definitely should extend, don’t think he is an RB1, too injury prone

Penny is a beast, but he gets hurt due to his ferocious running style! Penny is a BAD man

A healthy Chris Carson/Rashad Penny committee could be NASTY

That seahawks O-line blocks about HALF as well as the Eagles O-line. If Penny stays healthy, he's going to have a very good year. Not a GREAT year, because he won't get ALL the Carries. Eagles like Gainwell a lot and rightfully so. But Penny's stats will be yooge.

Is he good.. or not, is not the question. The real question is, is he a professional? It's no coincidence his last 4 games of the last season of his four year contract were good. If he didn't turn it on, at a level he hasn't in 4 years, he would be lucky to get a 1 year league minimum contract this fall. Does he have the heart to come to camp healthy and ready... and does he have the heart to take the starting job and deliver those performances week in and week out?

I'd only sign him with a minimum to 1.5 with incentives, anything else would be nuts.

If u can get him cheap, u keep him, Carson is basically done. N not reliable at all. I love Carson, but with an on going neck injury, they knew about signed him. N tried to play it off, he was suppose to be out like a couple weeks not the season. We need options n Penny can do it if hes healthy. We also need to find a rb to actually be the starter in the meantime.

I love Penny.........when he is healthy. Extend him at the right price. Gamble worth taking.

Good luck at getting Penny at 2 million per after the way he produced towards the end of the season.

I say extend him, he is an injury risk but this late season production has defiantly earned him another shot

I agree Penny shouldn’t get more than $2 Million per year considering his injury history. What about a year “prove it deal?” I think that would be the best option? I’m afraid a team that’s desperately seeking a #1 RB will pay Penny far above his worth❗️Based on the last 6 game’s of the season. Since CMAC’s ( Christian McCaffrey ) $64 Million 4 year deal, NFL teams aren’t paying RB’s that much anymore because you can find talent in the 7th round (Chris Carson was a 7th rounder) who started his rookie year. I’m afraid that Seattle will get into a bidding war over Penny, and Seattle is not going to pay him more than $2-$3 Million per year. So we could either try and resign Penny & hope Carson can return from a serious neck injury and be even stronger than ever! A 2 headed monster of Carson & Penny would be one of NFL’s best 1-2 Punch❗️We don’t have good depth in our RB room either. While Homer is a great blocker/3rd down back, DJ Dallas and Alex Collins should be released. Seattle could draft a RB with 1 of their 2 4th round picks and add another in free agency! And with an improved o-line❗️It should help the running game tremendously! And we all know that running the football set’s up the long play action and Wilson’s sweet deep ball into action! Great analysis! #GoHawks

I like your analysis but I think you're completely incorrect on how they can go about re-signing him. 1. He's not going to cost much if they want to sign him longterm. No team is going to offer him that much because he's far too injury prone and he's far too inconsistent (up until the second half of the season.) What they can do to guarantee he's on the team next season is sign him to the franchise tag so it becomes another 1 year prove it deal and the price for RBs on the franchise isn't nearly as expensive as other positions. This would then allow the Seahawks to turn their attention on the more important player, Quandre Diggs.

Can he catch a ball? Need a receiver out of the backfield

Penny is a tank. A bruiser. Birds haven't had one like him since LeGarrette.

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Hes to relient on good line play which the Seahawks will never have under Pete. His conditioning is terrible, he cant stay in for more than a couple plays. His initial speed and cuts arent elite. He doesnt catch and he's hurt too often. Too much has to go right and he only did this against terrible teams and probably a Cardinal team underestimating them. Hes a solid 2nd string RB. If we get him cheap eh ok, if not I pitty the team leaning on him as a workhorse lol