Looks like someone understands what the KZread userbase wants.

@Ibrahimovic4life

Жыл бұрын

Rather sounds like explaining the destruction of western families, culture and identity in an upbeat tone. According to this video: You guys have no identity and we take your women, because you're below us.

This makes me truly grateful of having been born after the incarnation. The pre-christian world was so much more terrible that whatever we face today. Merci Jonathan

@jasonroberts2249

4 жыл бұрын

J.P. Marceau come back and say that again when you’re faced with the unthinkable choice of having to accept an AI implant into your brain like Elon Musk is promoting, or starve. The extreme tribulations yet to come will make pre-Christian paganism look like Disney World. Like the Muslims say, “Never since the time of Adam until the last hour, will there be a tribulation like the tribulation of the dajjal (antichrist).”

@Aquaticphilosophia

4 жыл бұрын

Pre and post Christian are probably identical

@jarlnicholl1478

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan is a leftie Canadian; what is said in this video only confirms what those issuing this accusation against Xtianity really mean.

@spaak3465

4 жыл бұрын

@@jarlnicholl1478 Jonathan is left wing? Haven't seen anything implying that, rather he seems more in favor of monarchy and such.

@DonSanchoPanza

4 жыл бұрын

Post-Christian world is worse.

Jonathan, I haven't watched this yet. But I want to thank you for addressing difficult things head on. It's something I failed to see far too often in my youth. As a recovering atheist, your courage to do that gives me cause to pay attention and persist.

@TheFeralcatz

4 жыл бұрын

I used to be an Atheist too :)

@sonnenrad229

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheFeralcatz So you switched from Abrahamic cult #4 to Abrahamic cult #2, in which the only difference is that you identify with another word that has no meaning in the current year because of how ignorant you slave are. Congrats.

@mrcscnnn21

4 жыл бұрын

@@sonnenrad229 Bless you

@josephalbatross5961

4 жыл бұрын

@@sonnenrad229 Was there a discussion you wanted to have? Or did you just want to derail the existing, positive thread that was happening?

@BrObstreperous

4 жыл бұрын

@@sonnenrad229 Edgy! I was once a teenage Nietzschean too. Do you have cool runic tatoos, brah?

Appreciate the parental guidance warning.

@willlazenby1050

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you definitely don't want kids to hear this...instead tell them stories about someone being nailed to a piece of wood and left to die in the sun for the birds to pick at and then speared in the heart. Much much better.

@andrewternet8370

Жыл бұрын

You wanna slather them with milk and honey till they’re all grown up?

@CedanyTheAlaskan

Жыл бұрын

@@willlazenby1050 If you really think that how Christian parents teach the Crucifixion then you are sadly mistaken. Now if this is how you were taught I am sorry, that is not how a Christian parent should go about it

@willlazenby1050

Жыл бұрын

@@CedanyTheAlaskan Keep in mind that there are many denominations of Christianity. Catholicism has some crazy ideas, transubstantiation for one. That literally as you take communion it transforms from wine and wafer into literal flesh and blood. But the point I am trying to make is that you are sadly mistaken if you think that a lot of churches don't teach it like that. You are just espousing your beliefs based on your own narrow view of your denomination teachings, Lutheran, Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, 7 Day Adventist, etc. I do however thank you for your comment and always welcome a healthy discussion.

This is why the dragon wants your virgins; the dragon is the powerful warlord from the outside.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

Who doesnt want virgins 🤣

@remingtonsloan8331

4 жыл бұрын

@VerumRex Not all of us have the power and virtue to do so. Dragons aren't to be under estimated. They're for manifesting fear more than they're for slaying.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@remingtonsloan8331 the khaoskampf the first farmer running to his pond with wooden club, beating the viper to death on the bank of the waters...

Christianity controls the hipergamy of the woman and allows the development of the nuclear family

@karamlevi

4 жыл бұрын

Discipline that benefits all over time... many a old lady getting hugged from husbands... today they just get licks from small dogs n barfed fur balls from questionably cuddly cats.

@shotinthedark90

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the polygamy of the man.

@Snaut1

4 жыл бұрын

This was true also in Pagan societies such as Rome, though.

@anonymousanonymous9407

4 жыл бұрын

@@shotinthedark90 it's a myth and has been debunked by neurobiologists.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Lol nah it promotes gynocentrism and by extension illegitimacy

38:00 -- The key reason that "paying a sexual tax to the leader" slowly went away is because God did not treat Mary as chattel, but ASKED HER CONSENT.

@puffball4484

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Its funny to me that so many feminist types hate Christianity because of its patriarchal structure but they have NO idea what the world was like before. Women and girls were literally property and treated horribly. Being born a female was a curse. And there are many non Christian parts of the world where this is still the case.

@marcostorres2329

2 жыл бұрын

@@puffball4484 yeah, I have a friend who's hometown in Oaxaca still sold women into marriage. He left because the place was so backwards. Apparently, if the woman was bought and was told she was a virgin the man had to take her into a room and have sex with her while everyone waits outside. He would have to wipe her vagina with a white towel after to show everyone if she was indeed a virgin by showing blood. If she wasn't, her and her family would be executed in front of the entire town. All this is illegal so they really don't like visitors roaming around their town. This still happens till this day in some rural areas of Mexico, despite the governments intervention.

@starmurp

2 жыл бұрын

well said

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcostorres2329 that how God intended he said to stone the adulterers

@letssgo1921

Жыл бұрын

@@puffball4484 being born was a curse for everyone comes with being Sinners

From discussing a meme to mind-blowing insights on the development of our culture. I love this channel.

@NwoDispatcher

Жыл бұрын

What is this we shit? It's not my culture

My wife’s boyfriend says “yes”

@zissler1

4 жыл бұрын

Mine says, “no it’s not, and get out if the bedroom I’m busy.” Oh that guy 😆

@iankclark

4 жыл бұрын

This warrants another video.... not

@madcircle7311

4 жыл бұрын

don't tell me you also cried giant tears at the first trailer of ROTS

@zissler1

4 жыл бұрын

Madcircle I still have them on my cheeks.

High quality content and profoundly interesting.

So, Christianity is not a Cuckold Religieon, the universe is a Cuckold universe?

@sennewam

4 жыл бұрын

Hypergamy is the fruit of the tree of knowledge. It is the will to power, libido dominandi, that cast us from the comforts of Heaven back into the toils of servitude. Original sin --> "Original cuckoldry"

@enriquetaborda8521

4 жыл бұрын

@Ryan Borganson Clearly it was not a Christian Sweden that got itself to this level of cuckoldry, but indeed a modernist, liberal-progressive, atheist (and, why not, Godless) country that sold itself to that agenda.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity was invented by Greek jews wake up cucks

The daily epistle for today is so relevant... "As it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerers through him who loved us." (around Romans 8:38)

So you are saying Christianity returns the power and glory to its rightful place? Before the earthly top identity asserted itself on others, creating imbalance and chaos. Now, instead of dominance, we submit to the heavenly identity, the true top. Instead of force, we agree in free will. The virgin sacrifices their earthly potential or space and gains the heavens inside. I’m interested to more about how the outside can be made higher than the inside and yet the inside maintains its identity. Thank you for this video.

@caiqueportolira

2 жыл бұрын

The whole video parallels the west's posture with relation to diversity: the foreigner make us strong, as long as they assimilate to our values.

I would like to analyze how the monastic institutions of Buddhism and Buddhist piety served a similar unifying effect in Asian culture that also respected the different cultures which adopted it.

@brianzmek7272

Жыл бұрын

Another more materialistic point about monasticism is that it is a powerful way to allow second or third sons to be powerful and productive for their families but not dilute the inheritance and thus generational wealth of the family.

1) Porn culture is also an attempt to solve this problem: everyone has access to all the women, everyone is a king. Except we pay up in other ways, and where everyone is a king no one is (unless he actually sleeps with porn stars). 2) God is both king and foreigner because he unites all clans in a single identity. Hence, Christ is a priest in the order of Malchizedek (a non-Jew) who tears down the dividing wall of hostility between Jew and Gentile. 3) There's a tradition which says that the nations are divided up among the "elohim" at Babel, as if to say confusion of language happens when there is division regarding our common transcendent ideal. I think "elohim" is the same word used in the passage that talks about the "sons of God" taking the "daughters of men" and producing the nephilim. If so, it seems clear that there is an incarnational lense at work, where the transcendent ideal generates a seed that creates hierarchy, set over against other ideals and hierarchies. Christ, who is the seed of God himself enthroned above all division (the king of kings and lord of lords), brings a spirit that creates offspring totally transcending national identity and bringing unity accross nations and values. That is why the eschatological ecclesia/cosmos is populated with many peoples, tribes, and tongues, and why we traditionally call Pentacost the reversal of Babel. 4) This is also why the martyrs are the only ones who can not be called "cuckolds." They "pay up" their own lives to the God whose husbandship is also virginity and purity. It is an uncorrupted union. But they also do this in response to His "paying down" with His own life. The solution is "we love him because he first loved us." And in fact, "He loved us before the foundation of the world." The truly human identity predates all of the division that occurs as a result of the fall. Christ returns us to paradise, the heart of God and the world. 5) For this reason, God's heart also always pushes us to care for those on the margin, because his eschatalogical vision is all encompassing and is not bound to this or that nation. 6) I think all of this is encapsulated beautifully in that passage from Hosea: "In that day, you will no longer call me 'my master' but ' my husband.' Masters devour their subordinates, husbands give themselves up for their subordinates. Forgive my rambling, but I think that is also why it is said, "man is the glory of God, but woman is the glory of man." It's that "flip" that Jonathan talks about: the lower is pushed up and exalted by the higher.

@daves-c8919

4 жыл бұрын

shotinthedark90 interesting points. This is the first time I encounter a symbolic reasoning for priests and other people of the faith removing sexuality from their lives. The one piece Jonathan seems to not mention is that outsiders raping the women of a clan muddies the identity of the group, but the king (being the clearest representation of the identity of the group) clarifies the identity. Meaning giving your sexuality to god clarifies your identity as very clearly belonging to His clan. Obviously this is all symbolic and kings behaving this way has actually caused massive trauma to individuals, peoples and nations. Not to mention giving yourself up to God has also been crazy problematic. Most humans can not live like Mary lived.

@andyk2181

4 жыл бұрын

You make a really good point about porn culture. The fantasy is of being king, but the reality is you are paying male porn stars to have sex with the women you most desire. Much in the way Deadpool played with the idea of fourth wall breaks (the actor/character becoming aware of the audience), it seems that the femdom and cuckold genres is a case of porn breaking the 4th wall and telling it's audience "this is what you really are". Jonathan, is Deadpool being pegged on international women's day a modern cultural reference to the disrobing of the king, the inversion of the pyramid, that happens on Halloween and other once yearly festivals? (e.g.The Ancient Akitu Festival and the Humbling of the King)

@daves-c8919

4 жыл бұрын

Andy K Deadpool is no king. He builds no safe space for anyone. He sets no clear boundaries. And he blesses nothing and no one. Deadpool is a jester, a critic and a fool. or perhaps a Loki-like prankster.

@shotinthedark90

4 жыл бұрын

@@daves-c8919 Which is related to the "role reversal" fantasy mentioned above: the jester is perpetually unstable and "turns" between feminine and masculine polarities.

@andyk2181

4 жыл бұрын

@@daves-c8919 You make a good point. This might have something to do with the role of the jester in an upside-down world reminding us of what the king should be, though I'll admit I don't understand this yet. I'm thinking of Ricky Gervais mocking the Hollywood would-be kings as discussed in another video. Even the fool knows that you need humility to be a king, what are these pretenders thinking?

blessed Sunday, Jonathan!

I'm so thankful that you are talking about this topic! I have had a lot of inconclusive thoughts about Joseph. Cheers, thank you!

What about the supposed cuckoldry of Christ's teachings of "turning the other cheek" and loving your enemies? Those are ones I sometimes have a hard time responding to or refuting.

@sandoncrowder7839

2 жыл бұрын

It’s absurd to think about it like that, someone saying that is in the same essence as cuckolding is missing the entire point and is thinking far too humanly, with nothing but pride and ego. You show love to your enemies because love is the most powerful thing we have at our disposal, and you would hope to see people change and become better and more than they are, and only love can do that, hating your enemies sure helps no-one. It’s an all too human response to think that if you’re nice to those who hate you all you will be met with is more hatred, it’s easy to get angry at someone, but it does no-one any good even if it is justified. But think about if you were angry at someone and yelling at them cussing them out and then they give you a hug and walk away. Does that mean you win the argument? No. It means that if you have a conscience you’re going to lie awake all night feeling as though you must have been in the wrong. And maybe you’ll see how you could’ve been better and come out the other end a better person for it.

you handled the subject masterfully Jonathan Livingstone Pageau

I think this idea is connected to what Neitzsche called "slave morality".

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Yeo

There are two reasons why protestants reject the notion that Mary was a virgin for the rest of her life, the first is because there is nothing wrong with sex within marriage and the other is because the bible says so. Catholics and Orthodox try to malign sex even within marriage. As if Mary loses her state of holiness by either being married, having sex and having children within marriage. The mere fact that they think so shows their odd relationship towards sexuality and pregnancy. Also, there is internal biblical evidence that shows that Mary did not remain a virgin because it says that Jesus had brothers and sisters. The common catholic notion that this was the case because Joseph already had children, but that is extra biblical. Love your videos Jonathan. Keep up the good work.

Peaple don't understand that calling yourself a christian and being one is not the same.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus No!!!!!! Lol

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

Im saying i agree lol

@xenatron9056

4 жыл бұрын

Christianity is technically idolatry.

@TheFeralcatz

4 жыл бұрын

@xena Joo alert

@karl-heinzheyland3496

4 жыл бұрын

In this moment more than 90% of the peaple are not developed enough to understand what christianity means/is. You have to think abstract, most peaple are gone in binary-thinking. Like the system needs. (english is not my first language, grammar...)

Fascinating stuff!! Really learnt a few things .. It's amazing how history factors into so many things & has an impact on certain things ..

Fascinating. More of this, please!

You always have such fascinating and unique reflections on Christianity I love them!

So insanely intressting! Thank you, it was enlightening.

Hello Mr Pageau! It is good to listen to a fellow French Canadian/Quebecois speaking English with such ease and eloquence! I hadn’t realized such profound insight could be found so close to home. You’ve already opened my eyes on many topics and I am very grateful. Great insight into why religious people give their sexuality to god. This really helps. My partner and I are working on reshaping the hero myth to fit a woman’s life structure. I believe the feminist movement can be translated in large part to “the myths and the stories society tells us do not resonate like they should.” I couldn’t even look at this problem properly a few years ago because I had my own resentment building up on the state of boys and men in this world. My answer to women being frustrated with their experience was very often “yes, but what about men?” It took stumbling onto Dr. Peterson crying on a radio show about that exact subject for me to grow to a new version of myself. I learned to aim to be a good king in my own mind in part because of that radio interview. I had found a guiding principle for how I should be and how men should be. I found that guiding principle to resonate at every level of my being. And it became clear it did not resonate the same way for the women around me. The broad strokes of archetypal guidance for women were Athena’s unreachable parody of male heroism (showing up in Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel and more subtly in Moana and Frozen) or Mary’s quiet helplessness and emotional martyrdom in the face of hardship. The other archetypal options seem to all be some kind of monster. It seems to me the Christ story set a blue print for heroes to come after. They are both a flawed man and a perfect god in the same instance. If they were to align with (destiny, their true self, their rightful place, the True Path, etc), they could be a true personification of Go(o)d. There is a burden and it was set upon you by your father. You can cast it off if you like, but you will not be whole. Luke Skywalker has an immense power at his disposal, but there is a right path. On that path, he can embody the best version of his father and himself. But he must choose. But the female goddess is never truly human. Athena was born from Zeus’ head. She is a male creation. She is impossible to embody since she has a strength women can not even aim at. And the Athena characters never have to make any difficult choices. They are Whole and separate. Mary does not represent the choice women have in mate selection. Her moment of glory was the birth of her son. Her moment of tragedy was the death of her son. She is a worried Penelope waiting, worried and useless. It seems to us that real female strength hasn’t been properly mythologized. There is more to the story of women than rape, love, birth and losing the men in their lives. Thanks for clarifying the past. You’re helping us see where we need to go next. Merci beaucoup

@jofieji5312

3 жыл бұрын

I think your problem is that your assuming that it’s being mythologized and not that we just live in a reality that operates as such. The only realistic difference in a glory path for men and women is the warrior life of old heroes. Christ came and showed us that a life without any violence is a fulfilled life of glory. Currently women and men in Christianity have the same ideals to strive towards. Love the Lord your God, Sacrifice of self, and loving your neighbor as yourself are all completely achievable regardless of gender.

@daves-c8919

3 жыл бұрын

@@jofieji5312 You might be right, but I think we have more agency to shape the world and our experience of it than you imply. I think there’s a struggle in the biblical text to both express a reality as it existed when it was written, but also a struggle to express a direction that we must take. And I believe that there are mythologies that have come after the Bible that are in direct response to the ideas put forth in the characters of Jesus and Marie. King Arthur Superman Even Wonder Woman in her original version hit some archetypal notes perfectly for what female strength actually is... I think we’ve been clarifying our direction ever since. But I have a question for you: what do you mean by “a life without any violence”?

@jofieji5312

3 жыл бұрын

@@daves-c8919 The Christ story is the perfect story because instead of using strength and force he was led as a lamb to the slaughter and was killed. All other human heroes fight back. Fighting for a good cause is honorable but the reason the story transcends is because he changed the world with his sacrifice.

I've lately watched a video to get better informed on sexuality in the Roman Catholic church. The monk finished t he video saying there is still to figure out whether or not the reproductive and unifying aspect of sex are to be taken literally, or could be interpreted more broadly. I think since you briefly explained how a child could be conceived from a virgin (although I don't fully understood it), it's definitely something worth thinking about, and probably needed in this day and age.

Ironically, it's in Paul's letter to the Romans where he says believers, Including Gentles, are true Jews, and non-believing Jews are cut off, hence "not all Israel is of Israel" ; this shows there is a spiritual vs fleshly Israel. On the flip side, apostate Israel/Jerusalem in Revelation is referred to as spiritual Sodom and Egypt, and mystery/secret Babylon.

The German army used the boulevards that Napoleon built.

@TheNemesis442

4 жыл бұрын

the "german army" lol....i see what you did there.

@josephalbatross5961

4 жыл бұрын

@Cosmic Landscape There are certain words that KZread penalizes the channel for if used. I think that's the reference.

Hi Jonathan, I just wanted to thank you for this video. I wanted to comment because I've been listening to you for a while now, and you've helped me develop a better understanding of Christian symbolism. I think I would label myself agnostic at the moment, not because I do not believe in God, Christ, or Christianity, but because I also believe that there are objectively, genuinely Good elements of the ancient pagan societies which are often forgotten about. In a similar vein, there's a few instances with Judaism and Christianity that I would describe as contradictory to the overall message, and reading volumes of thought written by Christian theologians like Aquinas has not provided me with satisfactory answers, given that most theologians begin with an assumption of Truth which, whilst reasonable, often leads the argument in a certain direction. For example, the nature of the Trinity and who Christ is, really. The Trinity is comfortable and is a fantastic symbol, but beginning with the assumption it is real makes the arguments for its existence fairly bland. The reason I'm writing this comment is to address the notion of the divine cuckold in Joseph. I cannot at this time accept the assertions you make because of the following reasons: 1. I have always believed that the bond between a man and a woman, a bond forged out of True Love, is the bedrock of everything. It is the Divine Order of things that one man bonds faithfully and exclusively with one woman, and together they produce children that carry us onward. In an ideal world this can be maintained in perfect balance. The marital bond, and therefore sexual matters, are Sacramental in nature and therefore are a Good thing. In an ideal world, every man and every woman participates in this. 2. That this is not how Reality works is quite simply because we do not live in an ideal world, or, as some might put it, because we live in a Fallen world. All that is Evil in this world is a perversion of God's Good. 3. Thus, it cannot be true that God, the Most High, would seek to solve this problem by engaging a corrupt system utilizing it's own corrupt means. God calls men and women to be faithful to their wives, to go forth and multiply even in this Fallen world, and infidelity is a grievous sin. False marriages - those which are not built upon a bedrock of trust and love - are likewise a grievous sin. Otherwise the imagery of the Church as the Bride of Christ would fall flat, having no meaning. Ergo, the notion that Joseph was cuckolded by God, that he married a woman because he was told to, that he never consummated his marriage with her, and that this is all seen as the Good act of a Good God seems to me, to be, irreconcilable with the core tenets of Christianity. I'd say this i the main thorn in my side where Christianity is concerned, and I'm looking for a good answer. In light of this, I will say that any pagans who jump on this out of hate prove the claims of wickedness leveled against them, whilst any Christians who slander me are Christians in name only, lacking sympathy for a fellow believer who is searching for answers to difficult questions. Just because I do not accept the usual explanations does not mean that I renounce Faith.

@mondopinion3777

4 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@Harbinger359

4 жыл бұрын

@@mondopinion3777 Thank you.

@joer9156

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps this will help explain. Joseph was old. He had already been married and already had children. He married again to have someone to look after his children. Mary was an avowed virgin who had devoted herself to God from childhood. Joseph's role was to act as a protector and provider and in return she looked after the household and children. You can see how the arrangement makes sense.

@mauriciolugo3373

Жыл бұрын

Maybe my perspective can help you or you can help me understand yours better. I think that the bedrock of everything is not the true love of a man and a woman. I think that the bedrock of everything is LOVE, this being the love of God and the love between a man and a woman is a manifestation of God. God is love. So, marriage and the bond between a man and a woman is just an aspect of life that can be perverted if not done correctly. Now having said that, when God made Mary pregnant He did not make her pregnant in the traditional way (having sex), He did it in a way that is divine and only can be done by Him, which allows her to remain a perpetual virgin. In that manner Joseph didn’t become a traditional cuckold. Joseph was still the rightful husband of Mary, only not having kids with her. And not having kids with Mary doesn’t negate his spot as her husband. I tried to explain my point of view the best I could. Hope it is helpful. God bless you

@aaronh8095

11 ай бұрын

@@mauriciolugo3373 Said it better than I could have.

Oh man, this is going straight to /pol/.

@luc432

4 жыл бұрын

@@ecogiko Oh they coming. I pushed the first domino.

@manfredarcane9130

4 жыл бұрын

Well, this comment section will soon be split between 'lol Christcucks' and 'muh burned down sacred groves' crowds.

@sonnenrad229

4 жыл бұрын

@@manfredarcane9130 The video itself is a Christian justifying his religion failure, it was never meant for gentiles, it was a Iewish sect since the start and when Saul the pharisee became the apostle of the gentiles shit got bad, but they Iewish people never left the holding of power, only gentiles became the followers of the religion, not the head of it.

@xenatron9056

4 жыл бұрын

@@sonnenrad229 'Christ' is an idol. No two ways about it.

@sonnenrad229

4 жыл бұрын

@@xenatron9056 a response that says nothing at all, nice...

The main thing that horrified "pagans" for whom blood continuity was everything was chastity itself. But to remain separate in this way is the highest form of respect for the value of the individual (the human person as a lived experience).

@NwoDispatcher

4 жыл бұрын

Those who cared about blood were promiscuous? What a fuckin backwards notion.

@Max-ke3ty

3 жыл бұрын

Care to explain how? Right now it's just a claim.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@NwoDispatcher he has nothing. Look around the church has died, us Nords won

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@Max-ke3ty yep, church is dead current year, all of them chose towns or blue pulled

My question is where is that line between “being swallowed by the out side or take up the axe” obviously both extremes are bad but that’s a tough line to draw

@superspiderdum

4 жыл бұрын

self-respect too both sides

I recommend this video on every site I visit.

In order to take a look at the philosophical and juridical changes going on in the first years of the Fathers of the Church, I suggest you the work of an Italian philosopher, Giorgio Agamben, which recently collected his opera omnia in the volume "Homo Sacer". Not only his 1995 book, which you may know, but all the development of those intuitions until his last book published in 2015. What I don't know is whether it is translated in English. Our women need us. They really do.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

Our women need us to stop them from getting political...

I can listen to this all day, as a preacher’s son and an atheist.

When I saw the title, the first thing I thought was "Jonathan, why in the world are you even bothering with these neopagan fools? They aren't even logically capable of justifying their own belief system(s)."

@gavinlane7459

4 жыл бұрын

@ I never said Christians were pagan.

@mcernieschumacher1296

4 жыл бұрын

NORMALIZATION OF IGNORANCE I think Gavin is referring to Nietzschean neopagan right-wingers who like to hurl around insults like “Christ-cuck” and “Jew on a stick”.

@srijanagrawal255

4 жыл бұрын

On the contrary, it is very hard to argue with actual intellectual neo-pagans like maybe Camille Paglia and Oscar Wilde (to some extent). Christians, on the other hand, find it harder to answer questions about their faith and simply respond by being outraged. Maybe because christianity is super complex compared to paganism. Nevertheless, a true pagan man or woman has an allure and power that christians simply lack (all in my experience)

@kitsuneoga

4 жыл бұрын

@@srijanagrawal255 Where do you get that Camille paglia and Oscar Wilde are neopagans?

@TheNemesis442

4 жыл бұрын

@ when you say, "now your burden is to logically justify that God (Yahweh) does not exist", are you asking for said person to prove that God does not exist? If so, you're starting from an irrational position. It is not rational to ask someone to prove a negative. For instance, if I were to say that I believe in fire-breathing dragons and you were to say that they don't exist....it would not be rational for me to ask you to prove that they don't exist. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim, not on the one denying that claim.

Thank you Jhonatan! 🙂

Have just discovered this channel, wow! Amazing.

_For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God._ (Rom 2.28-29 NAU)

Also, Christianity solves this problem by returning Sovereignty to the individual Man imo.

@mattis8205

4 жыл бұрын

Therein lies its fatal weakness in a way. With this now sovereign individual rests the burden of absolute authority over himself in a world that is now changing so rapidly and radically that things thought impossible ten years ago are now commonplace and the moral implications of such a world are so far beyond this individual's understanding that he is unable to build a map based on his dogmatic religion to cope. Without much deeper understanding of the symbolic principals and without a robust structure the sovereign individual is left adrift in a sea of atomized individuals all pulling in different directions and there he is, the one person taking it upon himself to do right when it's not certain what right is. It's a difficult time to believe in anything.

@thomasraustin

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattis8205 I agree. I'll tell you how I deal with that. Why do I need Belief at all? I would contend that Belief, insofaras it exists in Man at all, has one purpose and that is to Believe Jesus is the Son of God. God has given Man Belief, within and as the human spiritual constitution for this one express purpose and this alone as Jesus is the redemption of God. So for example, one might ask, "do you 'believe' in ghosts?" My response would be "I Believe in Jesus. Now we can discuss our experiences, what we think we know, and how we come to know the existence or non- existence of things in this world or posit transcendental concepts to describe a shared life world, yet through any of this, 'belief' as it is a particular constitution of a sovereign/autonomous consciousness which I am, is Not required for any of these things. " In other words, having an absolute standard of Truth: Jesus, that exists for belief, (which exists in us all, solved the problem for me. Now, Jesus may not be an absolute standard of Truth for everyone, and even as my absolute standard of Truth, I may not have appropriatd All of my 'beliefs' to this standard(I have delusions, or believe certain things that could be considered false beliefs insofaras they are not grounded metaphysically in absolutes, or are pressuppositions, assumptions of provisional necessity etc. But it would be and is my sovereign responsibility to correct my own errors with regard to these, just as it is every individuals responsibility and freedom to do so for and within themselves. I don't know if this correct, decent or even favorable to my own self actualization, but holy shit, this world is an insane asylum without the kind of personal responsibility individual sovereignty allows.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

@@mattis8205 well I tell ya what mr individual, sounds to me like you got a problem.... So why not solve it and help progress the human race? You busy this week darlin? 🤣

@mattis8205

4 жыл бұрын

@@Macheako Are you offering to breed with me? all joking aside, if I were you I'd try to divorce my statement from myself personally as I'm exploring ideas in a philosophical manner. It's how I see the world. I don't believe in a being (god) that controls the world exactly, I think there is a "spirit" that exists in human consciousness and that "god" is generated by our experience interacting with the world and each other over generations and becomes this "spirit", something like a psycho-social construct. Don't know if I can solve that for you, I'll just finish reading 'Maps of Meaning' first then we'll see. I'm forming a hypothesis that I may turn into a book so, maybe I'll solve it(doubt it).

@mattis8205

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasraustin I agree with the last statement. Not sure I follow your logic though.

Mind blown again! When are you in Seattle?

not sure if it is related to the video, but here in brazil the cuckold man is called horned, someone who is cheated on we say that this person grows horns, do anyone know the symbolic meaning of this?

Neo-Pagans (witchie-poos) think they are going to order the universe to comply with their Egos. With eternal loving forgiveness The Christ asks me to stop sinning. And I try my Lord, I try. From which perspective evolves personal responsibility and social progress?

@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

4 жыл бұрын

Neo-pagans keep forgetting that the old pagan gods demanded sacrifices of meat, grain, or wine and offered little to nothing in return.

@johnhansen4794

4 жыл бұрын

@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 Which handful of grain is the best? Able knew which of his herd was most precious. The wisdom of making a good sacrifice is important.

The idea of the synthesis that you referred to in the latter part of your video, between the highest and the lowest, can also be found in some of Nietzsche's writings; in the first part of Thus Spoke Zarathursra, Zarathustra was descending from a mountaintop, and as he was descending, he looked up towards the sky, and across the sky, he saw an eagle flying with a snake twirled around it's neck as it's ally, and not as it's enemy or prey. This is an echo of the Christian symbol of the crucified god, of the dying god, and of the dead god. It's a merging of the highest values and of the lowest values, and it's an expression of the idea that the way that you protect yourself from dragons and serpents and birds of prey and men of prey is by becoming more and more like them, and turning their weapons on themselves. And, this is the solution to the problem of the external predator, of the adversary, of the barbarian, of the invader, of the conqueror from the strange land, of the monster, of the alien-king, of the dragon. Interestingly enough, if you take this idea all the way to the extreme, all the way to it's natural end, then what you get is the maxim that says that: in order to triumph over the Devil, you must imitate him, and in order to fulfill the mandates of god, you must first fulfill the mandates of the one who stands against him. Heavy stuff. It's profound and uplifting and horrifying and paradoxical all at the same time. What do you think? Did I get anything wrong? (I really hope you see this.)

@Mackeriv

Жыл бұрын

That's a very interesting take! I don't know a lot about these things yet (how to understand symbolism), but it seems to go together with the idea of sacrifice and the way it's so heavily associated with Christianity. Also of the idea of descent into chaos.

I struggle to remember and thoroughly understand all of your expositions. It would be an excellent idea to write all of the themes in your vids down in one book, just like Mattieu's Language of Creation.

Much of what is invisible drives society in harmony. Customs, beliefs, superstitions, the ideal man. The kings may change, but the culture of the particular hierarchies remains relatively unchanged…as long as the new king comes from within the culture. When new rulers/kings come from without…well, that is what we call war and history. These customs, beliefs and superstitions are all seeded from within a particular tradition, and most likely it’s not till recent times that we could even conceive of one really separating the idea of a religion from one’s culture. So, while figures like Zeus are the source of cucking, Christ was a result of to it, and instead of a creed the stems from one point/place and enforces itself in a top down manner, it is one that arises from the bottom to the top. From servants and slaves. Taking over not from within, but from without. Truly an inversion. It’s interesting to think about the concept of the Virgin, for who else could remain one in a king’s domain, except most likely his own daughters and wife(s). The king’s daughter, the princess in the castle; a prize sought out by many a knight. That, which is at the very centre. One would have to be quite a catch to win her, you definitely wouldn’t want to upset her father. Who would dare date a gangster’s daughter? A seed falls on the ground, out from which grows a tree. Beasts of field and birds of sky, live with man in harmony. But the land it does not go on forever, very soon it reaches the sea. No lines, no marks; no signs, no arks. How are we to agree? Many kings have tried to command the waters as their own lands, But none have managed yet to give form to that upon which Christ stands.

Next up: Is Christianity a religion for incels?

@taunoctua245

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is. A couple of pastors recently did a switch and shamed men into fornication. Talk about 180 degrees.

Very interesting video! But why do Protestants hate Constantine?

@cathalodiubhain5739

4 жыл бұрын

why do Protestants hate Catholics? We killed each other in Ireland over religion. that hate is still there today in Ireland and Scotland.

@LumosX

4 жыл бұрын

@@cathalodiubhain5739 Don't forget the Thirty Years' War that decimated Germany in the XVII century. It was a massive Catholic vs Protestant free-for-all.

Great content!

I thought this was going to be goofy but it was actually brilliant

I’m not googling “cuckold” for a definition , you are. 🤣

@bobbob5541

4 жыл бұрын

You're googling it for some other reason then?

That's one of the most interesting perspectives on ancient history and on the history of religion/theology I've heard. I think you're definitely on the right track there to be honest. I've come from the Jewish perspective of thinking that Christianity was just an invalid follow up to the Torah because of its internal inconsistency, but coming from the perspective of evolutionary psychology and of theology and social theory it seems much more viable. I've often thought of Christianity as being the thing that "saved" the Roman empire and perpetuated it up until the last two hundred years or so when the so called Enlightenment came along with experimental thought/empiricism and "killed god". I've also come the the conclusion that in doing so we've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. So what if there isn't an actual being that generates existence from will, that you can pray to and will hear you; it's damn useful to have the structure there to give society something to frame around and to interact within. We need something new and old to stabilize the world now, especially the west, as we've now come so far with technology that we've become a new species for all intents and purposes. We've gone beyond our ability to adapt effectively to the point that people are falling apart and scrambling for anything, any ideology, any cause, any lifestyle that will give them their niche, their specific adaptive role, but there's very little cohesion so simple things like having friends, finding a mate, raising children, which used to come fairly easily are just not happening anymore for a great many people. I think a new way to practice and view an old religion may be just what's needed and Christianity seems like a pretty good candidate, as much as I appreciate the legalistic clarity and impeccable logic of the Talmud and dislike the sanctimoniousness of the Christian church as I've known it, I think it has a great deal of personal utility when understood well enough and doesn't restrict the freedom of the individual as much as Judaism. Hope that wasn't too much to read through. I tried to condense my thoughts into a paragraph.

@Taylor-lm5op

4 жыл бұрын

Christianity is a “nurturing” follow up to the Torah. This is where Moses screwed up - Moses did not understand or identify with women. 1) Moses tells you to stone adulterous women in Deuteronomy. 2) Numbers 30 tells you that fathers completely own their daughter and husbands completely own their wife. 3) In the Midianite war of Numbers 31, Moses tells Israel to slay all the women who have had sex with men. This goes back to Genesis 34 when Simeon and Levi slay the inhabitants of Shechem for the son of the King supposedly defiling Dinah. Moses views women as something that gets inherently defiled and unclean easily, like his forefather Levi. And Levi was actually never blessed by Jacob, but cursed in Genesis 49. Compare this to the fact that Jesus is well received amongst women in the Gospels and the fact that the patriarchal Pharisees hate Jesus.

@Taylor-lm5op

4 жыл бұрын

mattis I see Christianity as God investing in women and not the Levites anymore. The book of Samuel opens with God blessing Hannah and cursing/massacring the Levite Priesthood; which the Levites are the tribe of Moses.

@Aquaticphilosophia

4 жыл бұрын

So have you learned to not trust that voice in your mind thinking for you? It’s known the truth all along and led you to complex misunderstandings. It’s a shady being.

@Taylor-lm5op

4 жыл бұрын

mattis Ultimately, I think women have power. Not men. Christianity is returning power to women. In Genesis 27, Rebekah decides to give the blessing to Jacob - Isaac favored Esau over Jacob. What did Rebekah see in Jacob? Rebekah did not see Mosaic Law (in which Moses doesn’t know how to respect women), Rebekah saw Jesus in Jacob. Judah said of Tamar in Genesis 38 “she is more in the right than I am.” You will never find that humbleness in Moses or the Mosaic Law.

@brazilianman92

4 жыл бұрын

@@Taylor-lm5op That's just sounds like liberalism. Cucking to women is the gateway to doomsday.

Is it possible that you Jonathan, could make or show me a video about your initial interests when you seek the questions you ask yourself, even just somewhat? I am wondering if I am able to study the same ideas as you, and I figure if we think alike of course I also could study religion and history in philosophy? please awnser me I beg you. :-)

Excellent observations, thanks for video.

Heavy stuff. You must stay to the end where he manages to bring it back from a Black Pill to the White.

4 жыл бұрын

why you taking pills son?

It would be very interesting to hear about how Christianity - having succeeded in saving Rome in the East - failed to deal with the outside threat in terms of the Crusaders (Western Christians of course) fundamentally weakening Constantinople so that it could no longer resist the outsider as the Turk

@DANINJUNE

4 жыл бұрын

Crusades were accused of worshipping baphomet and sodomize each other. They weren’t true Christians

@taunoctua245

4 жыл бұрын

@Zachary Trent The Ottomans on Netflix was really good, huh? Taking their ships over land. DAMN!!!

@jdoc3118

2 жыл бұрын

Just as the regions never in the Roman Empire fell to protestantism , western europe fell to Catholicism - essentially a revolution/inversion of the priestly class against rightfull authority (The Roman Emperor) out of hubris and then received the same treatment (revolution/attack from lower on the hierarchy) from the Warrior/Noble class ( western kings). Which in turn attacked their own rank , wanting to be above all nobles as kings in centralized states by using the merchant class - which then attacked them in the set pattern and then got attacked by the peasant/soldier class that was then attacked by the lowest of the low journalists,actors and artists that got controlled by the lowest of the lowest of the low on the outsiders/killers-deniers of Christ - that are now worshiped by evangelicals .Which brings us to modern day . One can see this constant devolution brought about by the west and cant help but wonder : if China for example rose as the next Empire would they continue the devolution due to them being infected culturally or would they restore hierarchy?

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Christianity is incompatible with European culture wake up

I also would like to say that when people are more worried with the roman empire and its stability than with the gospel itself, they're already doomed. I have seen some folks saying "Oh I don't think christianism is the best way to defend my identity" and start looking into paganism and such. That's when you know they got their priorities all wrong. Oikophilia can be a problem just as much as oikophobia (right hand sin x left hand sin?), and perhaps it is destined to be, unless people realise His Kingdom is not of this world - and that it is infinitely more important to belong to His Kingdom than to any other.

No one, so far as I can see, has made reference to conceptio per aurem, the understanding that Mary conceived via her ear, not her womb, by hearing the word spoken to her at the Annunciation. Athanasius of Alexandria: “Come and gaze upon this marvellous feat: the woman conceives through the hearing of her ears!” Ephrem of Syria : “Like the Burning Bush on Horeb (Mount Sinai) which carried God in the heart of the flames, so Mary brought Christ into her virginity: through her ear the Divine Word of the Father entered and dwelt secretly in her womb.” Many icons, Eastern and Western, that allude to this. Seems relevant.

OH BOY! Touching meme themes again, love it.

Christians did also say that jesus christ was to be called "the son of god". This was an official titel of the roman emporer: Imperator Caesar Divi filius Augustus.

Glad to see this covered. Good job, I think, though I disagree in some ways. Cuckolding can also be a psychological attempt to deal with the fear of betrayal, I think, precisely by directly experiencing it, or consciously confronting that fear. It seems also to be a desire to regain a brotherhood by which we once again entertain equally a community of women. Cuckolding was also an at once political and personal issue binding President Bill Clinton in relation to David Koresh. Koresh apparently had his senior guy, Steve Sneider’s wife - (something which the FBI negotiator Max chided Sneider about, along with the communal bases of the group) - while Bill Clinton - (“the most powerful man in the world” who those FBI agents were obeying in the name of the good, and even of God) - was notorious for his sexual escapades, in which one husband presumably committed suicide. This is the very character of the common worship of power, in spite of its moral contradictions, which Abraham recognized of the Egyptians. It is significant, I think, in that cuckolding of Sarah by Pharaoh, that plagues came upon the Egyptians and they repented so that Abraham came out with great wealth and herds and flocks. What if that cuckolding of the poor by the powerful, becomes therefore the means by which the seeming justice of the powerful is shown in its hypocrisy, since such a concealed injustice is never brought into the open because of its apparent shame? It seems to me that this is part of the idea that Joseph thought to put Mary away privily, not willing to make her a public example; and yet, it was God’s intent to make the very excesses of power known, so that they - rather than Christ, who despised the shame - are shown to be the truly shameful, since they publicly manipulate the truth to fit their own purposes of power and control while arguing a freedom and justice for all.

@Joefrenomics

2 жыл бұрын

Wah?! ELI5 please?

Can you comment on how this ties into priestly celibacy or the lack thereof?

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Communist infiltration that's ur Answer

Sounds like there was an advantage in having a rather unattractive wife so maybe the king would pass on her. At least, you would know that all your children are yours. If you had the knock out in the tribe, you would never be able to sleep at night.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

If you can kill her lover you have no problem, but hey turn the other cheek right?

This "first night" and harem tradition is not native to Europe, but the Middle East.

Pageau I believe you are very based. When you brought up roads not leading one way even today, I think you were hinting at colonialism and how it's legacy is now backfiring on the west. Thank you for talking about important conversations in right wing circles from a christian perspective

One of the possible benefits of monastic celibacy was an independence of conscience. Often critics of power would have their families lives' threatened by the powerful. Even these critics were willing to die for their conscience, they often would not be willing allow their families perish. With celibate monks this threat was eliminated. Some of the moral advancements first formulated within monastic orders ( say the first criticisms of slavery, even concerning enslaved non-Christians, that emanated from certain Catholic orders) perhaps may have gotten better momentum absent the threat of familial violence.

According to protestants at least Joseph had many other children with Mary after Jesus.

@RichardHMaher

4 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel J Franco Anyone who denies the perpetual virginity of the Mother of God is carrying water for the Arians, intentionally or otherwise, because that's at the root of these suppositions. The very fact that she bore Christ, God incarnate, makes it completely impossible that the living Temple could ever be defiled in that way. It only makes sense if you humanize Jesus to an excessive degree, which is something Protestants tend to do in my experience.

@orenji-sama514

4 жыл бұрын

@@RichardHMaher then what do those verses about Jesus' brothers and sisters mean?

@RichardHMaher

4 жыл бұрын

@@jreaganmorganchannel Most Protestants don't explicitly deny the Divinity of Jesus (God forbid), but they tend to emphasize His humanity excessively. In my opinion, this is an almost necessary extension of penal substitution atonement, because that kind of understanding of theology kind of makes it necessary to focus more on Christ's suffering than His triumph.

@fragwagon

4 жыл бұрын

@@orenji-sama514 why is it the same word for cousins in Greek?

@TheHypnag0g222

4 жыл бұрын

@@orenji-sama514 At that time, people often referred to others in their town as brother or sister. Not to say biological, but just as a friendly greeting/label.

Before this section gets busy, what more can you say about angels and the idea of contacting them?

@bratwurstkinsman6740

4 жыл бұрын

Not a good idea. Demons are good at disguising themselves as angels and, in my opinion, much more likely to attempt contact with you than the non-fallen angels.

@giuliom8520

4 жыл бұрын

Is channelling really, in fact, evil? Watch "SPIRIT GUIDES TURNED OUT TO BE DEMONS" on KZread kzread.info/dash/bejne/aWt6mLZxdLGpiJM.html

@giuliom8520

4 жыл бұрын

Watch "New Age channeling lies brought me to the real Jesus" on KZread kzread.info/dash/bejne/aKSdqKlygZyem5s.html

@giuliom8520

4 жыл бұрын

She's also a former ghost hunter and medium. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWyrqMSLgMuugco.html

@remingtonsloan8331

4 жыл бұрын

@@bratwurstkinsman6740 No, I wanted him to talk about the symbology of it, the symbolism behind the idea, not tell us how to do it. But, even if you are contacted, Paul tells you to test the spirits. So, you can verify if they're authentically good or evil.

Very interesting. However, I think you got it the other way around. It is not the miraculous birth that was instated to curb the right of first night, but the right of first night is the diabolical mockery of the miraculous birth.

Brilliant analysis... Thank you!!

This is an interesting analysis but leaves out, or occults, the most important thread throughout the entire narrative: the discussion of Female Nature. This is the gynocentric blindspot that most men have regarding any discussion of intersexual politics. Perhaps an addendum to this discussion could include a phenomenology of man's bio-spiritual relation to woman qua Being? Something that is not afraid to expose the predatory nature of female hypergamy as it shapes narrative and history.

@setiem13

4 жыл бұрын

He doesnt need to say it. He had speaked about the female archetype a lot of times before, you just need to put those videos with this one in the equation and presto! You get the whole thing.

@seankessel3867

4 жыл бұрын

Damn...I saw your username, and was expecting something TOTALLY different until I clicked 'read more'...well, well done. Great thoughts.

@Macheako

4 жыл бұрын

@@almertje aye .....thats our new state funded religion, bud 🤣

@meowkki4322

4 жыл бұрын

What the hell are you talking about? all you fuckers do is cry about hypergamy 24/7

I’m trying to look at it from a perspective that says God used the barbaric tradition of child sacrifice as a way to supplant that tradition when he told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. The sacrifice became animal instead of human. I think Jonathan is saying something similar is happening with Mary being impregnated by God. In this case, it’s what has been called ‘droit de seigneur’ in medieval times. The similarity is, of course, the claim that something is achieved while not being achieved, i.e. that is, Mary conceives even though no sex took place, Abraham makes his sacrifice by intention while no (human) sacrifice took place. In both cases, an old evil tradition is supplanted by a less savage one. I’m just not sure whether this is a coincidence or something that could be proved within the inner logic of the scriptures.

The angel said to Mary you will have the messiah. Then after she agreed she became pregnant via spirit hovering over her and not by intercourse. Later the angel said to Joseph “fear not to take unto you Mariam your wife” he was allowed to consummate the marriage but understandably they both agreed to wait. Then later she had many more children.

The Borg, one of the most fearsome aliens in Star Trek, absorb the distinctive identities of many worlds and make them their own: universalism. In the beautiful federation of planets, every tribe, language, and nation co-exists: inclusivism. The Klingon empire is quite fundamentalist and warlike: fundamentalism.

This one was hard to follow, but as far as I could tell, the argument is Christianity keeps the social order together by aiming for a higher ideal, the highest ideal actually, instead of becoming slaves to our animal instincts. With the rise in cuckolding today, we see the societal results: rampant divorce, declining marriage rates, broken families, rise of the power of the state - all factors that do not bode well for the survival of our civilization. I wonder how much of this is the result of the decline/demonization of traditional masculinity...

Would really like to see you tackle Moldbug and his series on Christianity leading to and being an early example of progressivism (chapters and essays all available online). As I see Christianity echo the talking points of woke leftism, it seems on point.

@CharlesHaywood

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know about Jonathan, but I addressed Moldbug and Christianity here: theworthyhouse.com/2018/06/27/analysis-dark-enlightenment-curtis-yarvin-mencius-moldbug/

@zenuno6936

4 жыл бұрын

Its not a consequence but a perversion/mockery of Christianity like the Lamb of God being turned into the satanic goat, Holy liturgy being turned into black mass, the will of God into the will of the individual. You can see the similarity in the structure but not in the filling. He's a jew too so he might be happy to scapegoat Christianity. Anyway in the endstage of civilizations there's always progressive ideals taking hold and lax in morals. That said i havent read it:p, but the argument is common.

@The_Custos

4 жыл бұрын

@@zenuno6936 the sermon on the mount sounds very progressive, and naive, now.

@The_Custos

4 жыл бұрын

@@CharlesHaywood cheers, will check it out.

@The_Custos

4 жыл бұрын

@@zenuno6936 here is a few questions, do you feel Christianity, true Christianity as you see it, is for or against the following: Social Justice Equality The UN Declaration of Human Rights, and the Humanist manifestos Very keen to hear/read your views, or nuanced perspective, cheers.

Best title ever

I'd rather die than entertain the notion. Why man, just why

Yes. Christianity was well-known in the early era as a religion for women.

@brazilianman92

4 жыл бұрын

Simp alert

@misterauctor7353

3 жыл бұрын

No.

@misterauctor7353

3 жыл бұрын

Any reply?

@whitekanye7706

Жыл бұрын

💯

@whitekanye7706

Жыл бұрын

@@misterauctor7353 Seethe and dilate!

Protestants believe Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived, but then after that she consummated her marriage with Joseph normally. That makes Joseph not a cuckold at all, and doubly so. And doesn’t subtract from Mary’s purity, since sex in marriage is not sinful at all, but actually what is to be expected from the couple in God’s purpose. On the contrary, Mary staying a perpetual virgin adds to the angle that Joseph was “played” by God and lost his wife to God.

@ukerkater

4 жыл бұрын

Orthodox believe that theTheotokos is ever-virgin because it is biblically true, but also because her womb literally is the Ark of the New Covenant.

@whitekanye7706

Жыл бұрын

Only idiots or ignoramuses unironically believe in the virgin birth myth. 1. The "real" Jesus was totally based but Christianity was always cucked. 2. The real-life man on whom the figure of Jesus Christ was based (Yeshua ha-Nasi?) was a Hellenistic Jew who would despise Christianity (but he would love Christians and pity them more than anything because he was a chill dude). 3. His father Joseph was most likely of an ancient Judaic royal-aristocratic line and his sexually conceived first born son Yesous would have been an heir to his title. But the Jerusalemite Jewish religious establishment, both Saducees and, especially Pharisees, hated him and his followers. They wanted to be rid of that uppity Hellenistic Jew known as subversive Hellenistic Jew known as Jesus and to neutralize his followers. [The Feast of Hannukah celebrates the slaughter of Greeks and Hellenizers by the Macabees.] They started vicious rumors including that his mother was a "whore" and that his paternity was unknown. [The Talmud actually accuses Mary the mother of Jesus of being a whore.] Because, oy vey! That uppity subversive Hellenizer must not be of royal lineage! 4. There is an ancient joke that if a man appears to be of mysterious paternity, of cuckoldry is otherwise suspected, that his mother was a virgin. That joke has been funny 3000 years on! But it was in that vein that the claim of Jesus being born to a virgin was most likely originated. A latter follower of Jesus (could very likely have been Saint Paul) twisted the virgin birth meme from a joke about his mother being of ill repute into propaganda transmogrifying Jesus from a rogue phil-Hellenic philosopher into some sort of weird pagan deity. [Even though the idea of virgin birth is absurd on its face. Were Jesus conceived parthenogenically, at best he would have been female. Parthenogenesis HAS been observed occurring in nature, but never in humans, and I am unsure if it has ever been observed in mammals, but given the operation of mammalian reproduction, the offspring would necessarily be female for want of a Y-chromosome with SRY gene. "But Jesus was the Son of God!" So then, God must have a Y-haplogroup... These same Christians will accuse atheists of strawman with the man-in-the-clouds meme "God is purely a magical disembodied spirit!"] 5. Likewise, Herod's Shoah could never have occurred. It was a contrived excuse to get Joseph to drag his family to Egypt. While we may never know why Joseph decided to move his family to Egypt (or conversely why Joseph decided to move his family from Egypt to Palestine, settling in Nazareth/Galilee if Jesus was originally born in Egypt), it would be there where Joseph, Mary, and the Young Jesus, dwelling amongst the Hellenistic Jews of Alexandria would be exposed to Greek language, culture, and thought. It explains why the Gospels posit Jesus quoting from the Septuagint. 6. The Jerusalemite religious authorities assassinated the troublesome Alexandrine Jew but were unable to entirely stamp out his radically reformist movement (not necessarily a novel religion). A nascent Jesus movement enjoyed some measure of success in Hellenizing the local Jews. This created a sort of "via media" or middle path between Hellenic philosophy and normative Judaism. 7. Along came Saul the Jew. Originally a devout Pharisee hellbent on persecuting these early "Hebrew Christians" but he had a suspiciously convenient Heel-Face Turn and decided to champion the new religion. It is obvious that he realized that this middle path movement could be weaponized against the goyim. If Jesus could Hellenize Jews, then (((Paul))) could Judaize goyim. Motivated by revenge, Saul/Paul created the Christian religion to subvert, weaken, and destroy the Roman Empire from within. 8. And the rest is history...

this speaker is in a swamp of grey, as he speaks about cuckolding, looking at that grey shrivels me as If I can sympathize with his words more through the color set up. Also grey is the color of rock so a person who is grey may seem to be hardened by some sort of mistreatment of a hostile force, like when someone tries to comes and take over a village or take someone's woman or what not, this may make the men like stone unbending and hard to want revenge. Grey also represents the wisdom of years and the ability to grapple with problems not with force but with wisdom or practical experienced ways. so someone more wise who is being maligned by someone less so is being cuckolded, maybe do to less power of arms, may become grey because he has to put up with the cuckolding. Great video I appreciate the talks.

Interesting presentation 👍🏻

Here we go!

Hey Jonathan I used to dislike your videos, but I’ve come to have a great appreciation for them. Your commentary is always insightful, even if I disagree with the greater message sometimes. Roll on, 18 wheeler!

I think it's worth considering that Christianity served a positive purpose for a time in its own historical context, but perhaps needs have changed and religious responses must evolve to meet the challenges posed by the present.

Christianity truly solves the "diversity" problem

Well it is crazy to see that the Americas was being evangelized in that very same manner by the Roman Catholic Church, you can see that in the Virgin of Guadalupe's worship, and how the Anahuacas (Mexicans) were able to continue to live being them while adopting the Christian faith, the Tonanzin Coatlicue (The mother of all snakes) was being worshiped and child and blood sacrifices were being given to her in the very same place where now stands the Basilica of the Virgin of Guadalupe (The mother of all), and it's is only when the Protestant, freemason, revolutionary thinkers and warlords came to our continent that we were forced into this dictatorial type of "Christianity and religion", and the propaganda loves to make it seem as if the Catholics were the ones to destroy our continent's native people and spirituality. I mean look at the more roman catholic countries in South America, you will continue to see native looking people, because the catholic church didn't destroy them but rather mixed with them, but look at a more protestant country like the US, you hardly find native looking people, because they were killed by those so called "Christians and Freethinkers".

@setiem13

4 жыл бұрын

More like those native people use the religion of the spanish agains them.

@sonnenrad229

4 жыл бұрын

Conquering this whole region was a fucking mistake, if you want to take land you either kick those who had settled here before, exterminate them or at least get to terms to not mix your cultures, but no, they created melting pots like never seen and now you've a bunch of mutts in the south claiming to be Hispanic because they're Christians and can *barely* speak Spanish

@AprendeMovimiento

4 жыл бұрын

@@setiem13 I guess you didn't watch the video. If that was the case, then every single tribe, group or civilization did the same, weird thing to do for the Roman empire to accept a concept that was being practiced by poor people with no power or authority...

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Modern mestizos are neither natives or European they are creole race, drowned in the chaos of their own social division

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

@@AprendeMovimiento dude la raza is literally ghetto-nazis wake the ff up kid

No Supporter of Monarchy believes he will be king. In my opinion that’s a lazy analysis.

@monolith94

4 жыл бұрын

There may be a couple, but yeah that’s definitely a straw man argument

Interesting that you mention Samuel warning that the king would take their sons and daughters. I hadn't realized this before, but this happens very clearly in king David's sin with Bathsheba, where he sent her husband to a battle to be killed and then took her as his wife. Both a son and a daughter were taken by king David here.

Around 17:00-18:00 minutes in when you explain how Christianity has “solved the problem” I feel like this but needs elaboration. What does it mean for the average person? Why does it mean that kings and barons no longer use their power to possess more women? One might imagine a ruler/king, as the divinely appointed ruler, using the story to justify their taking women and then assuring people that the women remained virgins despite being pregnant. What exactly is the social change in normal people’s lives that means this gradually declines?

There is no proof the right of first night was ever practiced in Christian Europe.

@NwoDispatcher

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the communist defense

@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

4 жыл бұрын

Or anywhere else for that matter. The closest real-world equivalents are Polygamy and Kings having mistresses.

@DonSanchoPanza

4 жыл бұрын

@@NwoDispatcher Sorry?

@NwoDispatcher

4 жыл бұрын

@@DonSanchoPanza tHaT wAsnT rEaL ChRiStiAnItY

@DonSanchoPanza

4 жыл бұрын

@@NwoDispatcher Which one? Medieval Europe or modern West?

when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

@mushroompuppy2772

4 жыл бұрын

Barry Law I’m beginning to think it’s a prerequisite that a star hurts innocence, their own or someone else’s

@mushroompuppy2772

4 жыл бұрын

Cabal could be so. Especially if the knowledge is dark. Imagine being an actress and realizing that the only way to land the lead role is through an old mans trousers. Now imagine that you got the role and now you’re famous and successful and the envy of all. The experience of reflecting upon the truth of how you got there would probably leave a bitter taste in your mouth that no amount of $5,000 a bottle wine can wash away. Being at a high place in a hierarchy that is immoral and being acutely aware of this yet never taking action critical of it would be devastating to the soul.

@brazilianman92

4 жыл бұрын

@@mushroompuppy2772 Depends on the person. Some people enjoy power regardless of the cost.

@user-ye6ty9ie8g

4 жыл бұрын

You can impregnate a man's wife and he'll worship you for it. His wife's son is his savior.

@NorJWWJD

4 жыл бұрын

#1 comment. I hope Jonathan does a video on President DJT

This has made me realize that the decline of consecrated virginal life (nuns, monks, etc) and at the same time the rise of "cuckold-y" is no coincidence. We stopped reacting the pattern of the Blessed Virgin Mary, so we are falling back to the pattern of cuckold... Just an endnote, obviously the modern cuckold is not to a king or an invasor (well...sometimes it is...), but is notorious that women in general are having multiple sexual partners to hypergamy her choices, and when the most "prestigious" (ie, the "king") has a children with her and leaves, she will settle down to a more stable pattern to raise that children...or be a single mother...which is certainly a bigger problem...

finally something that isn't the same old talk about trickster figures

yeah. it is.

@Rawdetzky

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr Dyntasy you give away your women to foreigners.

@Rawdetzky

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr Dyntasy it's written in your religion.

@Rawdetzky

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr Dyntasy all men are equal. are you stupid?

@matronarona

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rawdetzky are you stupid? It doesn't say that.

@Rawdetzky

4 жыл бұрын

@Mr Dyntasy in practice.

Christianity, TRUE Christianity, is like no other "religion" on the earth. First off, it's not a religion. It's the TRUTH. The point of religions is that they are attempting to work their way into heaven. You CANNOT work your way into Heaven. The ONLY thing you can do to enter Heaven is to come to the knowledge of the Truth(The Gospel), Believe it, and Trust Jesus Christ as your Savior. Once you have done that, you are Saved. It's a done deal. You are going to Heaven. Now how you live and what good works you perform AFTER being Saved determines your Blessings ON earth for the remainder of their life AND their rewards in Heaven. Some Christians will get to Heaven and have nothing to show for their works and they will receive no rewards. A Saved person can live a life of sin after getting Saved and God will shorten their lives and their lives will be made miserable because they aren't living how God wants them to, which grieves The Holy Spirit. But they ARE going to Heaven. TRUE Christianity is like no other "religion" because they exist to give. NOT TAKE. Any so-called "church" or "ministry" out there demanding money from you is NOT of God. God Loves a cheerful giver, and if the ministry is true and doing what it's supposed to, God will make sure it gets what it needs. NO OTHER religion exists to give as does Christianity. Saving people from the penalty of sin and giving are the two FARTHEST things from being a cuck. Anybody who doesn't recognize this is a fool.

@nik8099

3 жыл бұрын

'It's the truth cause the Bible said so'. Wow, great argument.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

God helps those who help themselves

I think Christianity did hurt Rome. The Romans used paganism in conquests to maintain territories and they couldn't square that circle of one God and I think that undermined their civilization over time.

@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

4 жыл бұрын

Then why did it take until 1453 for the Roman Empire to finally end?

@DanHowardMtl

4 жыл бұрын

@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 The sack of Rome was in 410

@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874

4 жыл бұрын

​@@DanHowardMtl The Roman Empire had long since moved its Capital to Constantinople, which held out until 1453.

@mostlydead3261

4 жыл бұрын

@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 He's got no idea what you're talking about. The mass of Westerners knew next to nothing of Eastern Roman Empire until late 19th, early 20th century, and the educated class knew mainly distortuons further filtered through the likes of Gibbon.

@yomamawanmadikku9094

2 жыл бұрын

Also the whole forgiveness thing kinda not a Roman virtue

Its wasn't until it was distorted to an unrecognizable shadow of its former self over the last 100yrs.