Hey Doctor Peterson. I just wanted to say thank you for everything you've done for people who are lost in life. Five years ago I was a hopeless cocaine addict, and I had no friends and was lonely working a factory job. I stumbled upon one of your videos, and it really spoke to me. I felt overwhelmed and unable to change, but your videos & lectured gave me the guidance I needed. Now I'm sober and have a wonderful wife and son, and have a very good job, and soon to be going to college and trying to go to law school. Thank you for caring, I wish you nothing but the best.

@lihlivangelin7521

Жыл бұрын

Very happy for you brother. You are seen. May your path continue to be happy and purposeful. Much love to you and your family.

@peaceandlove544

Жыл бұрын

God What a great happy end for you brother. Could you share what was that JP said but cought your attention and help you? I need to learn to detax from toxic way of relating to my father and 2 of my siblings

@JordanBPeterson

Жыл бұрын

:) :) :)

@laraoneal7284

Жыл бұрын

Austin Scott. Keep growing. U have natural discernment knowing that u understood Jordan’s messages. So happy ur on the right path. God bless you and your family.

@austinscott4802

Жыл бұрын

@@peaceandlove544 Hey man just take it one day at a time. Start fixing the things that you can change. I started just cleaning my room everyday, and taking charge of my environment. Eventually you will build the discipline to break those toxic cycles. It's not a sprint my friend, it's a marathon.

Can we have a round of applause for the Pageau family and in particular the brothers because they have exposed themselves to the world for our sake.

@christemple8523

Жыл бұрын

What does that mean?

@spanishcomprehensibleinput4518

Жыл бұрын

Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap.

@lucasgardner3175

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@suedenim6590

Жыл бұрын

For such a celebrated individual jordan is repeatedly such a collosal letdown dwelling in the dark. The *real* meaning of a snake is enlightenment and knowledge/illumination because it sheds its skin, leaving behind what it no longer needs becoming a better version of itself. Americas "freedom" eagle is also the polar opposite of these so called "noted illectuals" teachings actually signifying dominance and complete panoptical control because nothing flies higher, it sees all. Hopefully the Mexican flag with the eagle eating the snake etc now has more meaning for you reader as will world events and symbolism in general. The catholic church, with the help of the jordans of the world, has globally performed cultural genocide to the point you are no longer aware of your true purpose, origin or history. Its not that the truth is hidden, you are actively kept away from it from the "evil" snake in the bible right through to say, slitherin in Harry Potter the truth about reality is kept from you with the help of jordan and his ilk and yet ignorance rains so supreme you lap it up parroting "amen" like the good little sheep you really are. I weep for us

@sistafila

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't make sense. How did they expose themselves?

Hi Jordan! I doubt you’ll see this but I’m going to send it anyway because you deserve to know that you have reached so many people and have helped thousands if not millions of people just like me. As a fellow psychologist (in the making) you inspire me so much I love listening to your perspective and it’s always eye opening. I hope one day I get to meet you. And if I make even a fraction of the difference you’ve made I’d be over the moon with myself. You’ve helped me out of some tough times and I’m sure that’s true for thousands of people across the globe honestly! x

@JordanBPeterson

Жыл бұрын

:)

@charlesbarker8424

Жыл бұрын

@@JordanBPeterson please provide a video on how WEF is corrupting politicians and governments , universities, District Attorneys etc etc to push forward the One World Slavery. The end of freedom for the masses

@robertvann7349

Жыл бұрын

Jordan respectfully to you but your a decieved Christian trampling simple Logic UNDERFOOT. A=A, B=B, A is not = to B. Your DECEPTION and I hope your HONORABLE enough to admit your fault and help decieved Christians. Repay evil with good is Justice and repaying evil with evil is UNJUSTICE. You think evil war on evil war is justified and capital punishment on a capital criminal is justice. Not. The law of non-contradiction will only allow non-war a pacifist on war a non-pacifist to be JUSTIFIED. Christians think they can repay war with war and it is Justified. Non-pacifist Christians straight up live in sin. PERIOD. Friend please repent and warn non-pacifist Christians live in sin and embrace death a damnable offence. True Christians are PACIFISTS and embrace life. I know you understand now. Please bro fix your fault and shout it from the rooftop. Peace out. ❤❤😍🤩😎👍

@robertvann7349

Жыл бұрын

My first post will be the most important simple truth you will embrace or non-embrace and determine the salvation of your soul. No different than a liar or non-liar, heterosexual or non-heterosexual, thief or non-thief, PACIFIST OR NON-PACIFIST which is evil. Please don't brain fart on Jesus was the Pacifist as scripture says he did no violence ISAIAH and Satan is the first known non-pacifist FATHER OF DEATH AND WAR. Simple eh... God said thou shalt not kill pure pacifist rhetoric. ❤😍🤩😎

@ceeez3072

Жыл бұрын

@@JordanBPeterson I am a psychotherapist and I couldn’t agree more regarding how helpful your work has been!

While I am a fan of Jonathan Pageau, I think I may like the way Matthieu Pageau’s brain works even more. Thank you for having him on, Dr. Peterson!

Matthieu's straightforward responses are so refreshing

@DracRummins

Жыл бұрын

He's not bad at all

@a-sheepof-christ9027

Жыл бұрын

Why? All they do is reinforce the idea of a Archaic >topdown is not comparable to such concepts. God YHWH who made himself known as Jesus Christ always defied notions of extreme duality (Isaiah 45:7) and of linear progression (Isaiah 46:10); and initially denied humans who wanted to ascribe potential to him (Exodus 3:14).

@stevebarns9106

Жыл бұрын

@@a-sheepof-christ9027What do you think of Greek Orthodox Theology which seems to Be very Christocentric?

@victorygarden556

5 ай бұрын

@@a-sheepof-christ9027could you expand on Christ not expressing duality

Well, here we are. The moment we've been waiting for. Peterson read Language of Creation. And the moment we never thought would come again. Mathieu Pageau has emerged to the public sphere. It's a good day.

@mondopinion3777

Жыл бұрын

Yes. As I watch it brings me to tears. Again and again.

@hannavanderberg1673

Жыл бұрын

I subscribed to your channel because you made this brilliant comment.

@HannahHarbourDeep

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. It would be enough to have one of the brothers but both are compelling brilliance in their own right and I loved when Jordan was getting taken away with a thought he couldn’t keep his talking in,pace with his thoughts. Truthfully, I will listen to this more than the one time. There are some big things to chew on. We are so blessed!

I have read Matthieu's book but this talk gave some really great insights above and beyond what's in the book. In particular, Matthieu's explanation of the role of Eve as a "mirror" or "feedback loop" for Adam, and her ability to "talk to the animals" as opposed to just "naming" them was mind blowing. On top of that, his relating that to right wing vs left wing or conservative vs progressive mindsets in society made a lot of sense. This is an immensely helpful concept, because it now puts in perspective the role of the "female" in our life in a manner that cuts through every level of reality. The role of the female (not just those who are biologically female, this means anybody that embodies the "feminine" perspective) is to act as a mirror or counterfoil to the one-sided male perspective. When the masculine/feminine dynamic is well balanced, it provides a critical feedback loop to the "dominant" masculine tendencies and acts as a corrective to them. If however this dynamic is OUT of balance, in particular if the "feminine" convinces the "masculine" to "succumb to the perspective of the marginal" then we experience a "fall" into a lower state, which needs divine intervention (death and resurrection of Christ) to correct! This is amazing stuff.

@carolmartin8781

Жыл бұрын

Males are not females

I lost touch with my faith years ago and listening to this helps me take steps in the right direction, Great Work!! :,)

@ross2812

Жыл бұрын

pablo...we all go astray. The Bible tells us this. The Shephard seeks us and brings us back.

I am ex atheist and i am trying to figure out who i am right now. I am reading this book and i am shocked by the results! Thank You thank You thank You for this talk!

@Mary-lj2uu

Жыл бұрын

Will be praying for you❤

@aintnoexpert8143

Жыл бұрын

I know, it's so weird. This dude died for me. WTF? How does that work? He rose from the dead; really? Trying to figure it out. Even if I never do, I KNOW that learning the Bible is making me a better person. Good luck to you!!!

@vincentwerts4724

Жыл бұрын

Would you mind if I asked what spurred your change of mind? I always find these types of stories interesting and inspiring.

@micahcartwright2341

Жыл бұрын

Keep on trucking brother, it'll keep opening up wider and wider.

@chrismazza5306

Жыл бұрын

Good deal. Take the journey as it comes. Take notes and don't forget a thing..when the full transformation comes, your testimony will be THEE most unforgettable journey you'll ever take, and those that know you, will be amazed at who is in you. Know that there are thousands upon thousands that are here in support of your vouage

Peterson has been absolutely killing it lately

@johnnieparker4465

Жыл бұрын

Lately, he drives the leftwing nut jobs crazy 🤪

@jeromenonles7954

Жыл бұрын

He really has 😂

@parker9163

Жыл бұрын

Divine direction

@foreverrip

Жыл бұрын

It’s because he’s finally getting the production help he deserves - Daily Wire

@AFuturePhilosopher

Жыл бұрын

No doubt man.

At about 1hr 43 mins in, I understood more now why my Dad would say ''read a little scripture every day'. He passed away before the concept of fractals was talked about, but I think he would have resonated with it just as he would with this wonderful conversation between these 2 profound, yet humble men

I am amazed about why Matthieu's interpretation or explanation of some of the most familiar biblical stories is so much easier to understand and accept than the many I have heard from various churches over a period of 40+ years? Thank you to BOTH for making so much senses, and the hope that we can and still are experiencing the patterns from thousands of years ago. AMAZING!!!

@MrWesford

Жыл бұрын

A huge part of it is that he’s an Orthodox Christian

@naikhanomtom7552

Жыл бұрын

Orthodox Christianity is what you're looking for. Christ is risen ☦️

@house0paine535

2 ай бұрын

@@MrWesfordoh, what’s up bro!

@a2wingedeagle

18 күн бұрын

@@MrWesford he's not actually

Wow Matthieu Pageau. I never thought I’d see the day!

@paulking9479

Жыл бұрын

He's been on a few times now

@al3xxx211

Жыл бұрын

@@paulking9479 yes, but that was nearly 4-5 years ago. So it comes as a pleasant surprise.

SO glad he had Matthieu on. We can never get enough of this quiet brother

Jordan, if you read this I want you to know that you were for a long time like a father figure to me and that you've helped me tremendously. You do not know me but with my head bowed I've been listening to you diligently for years. I must say that, just like so many other people, I'm forever indebted to you and that you have my gratitude. Thinking about it makes me weep sometimes. I feel like the lost sheep being brought back on God's path by the good Shepherd.

@susanw8440

Жыл бұрын

Mircea, that was beautiful and touched me in your gratitude to Jordan. I grew up with a great father and I learned so much from him. I know the blessing I had that continues even though he joined my mom with Jesus in heaven 2 1/2 yrs ago but I must say, Jordan has also touched me and re-enforced to seek wisdom and do good. I’m happy for you that you found a great role model in Jordan. Blessings on your day.

@mirceanicula9198

Жыл бұрын

@@whitebeltforlife hahahaha

@mirceanicula9198

Жыл бұрын

@@whitebeltforlife Love you and God Bless you!

@desireegreen653

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is beautifully written. As a fellow listener, I also appreciate that I know how much he appreciates being that man to you and me. God bless.

@peaceandlove544

Жыл бұрын

How wonderful Our Father in heaven yours too that loved you before you were even conceived heard your prayers or listened to your thoughts and emotions and send you the right message through JP

Jordan said it himself, as a psychologist you give someone an optimal challenge that will encourage them to develop and succeed, and that’s exactly what God has done for us. He has given us a task that we will struggle with daily, yet it won’t have us running in a labyrinth. The challenge is to find the way, the truth and the life and put your faith in Him.

This is a rare treat which I will enjoy very much. Great job getting him as a guest on the podcast!

I love the way that Matthieu avoids speculating outside of what he knows and has such clarity and depth of understanding about what he does. He articulates it in simple and unadorned language, while also showing great knowledge of the biblical texts and complexity in his thought. I love to listen to him, but I understand that someone like him only speaks when there is something to say. Thank you Matthieu and I hope you will share more when the time is right. Your book is fantastic too.

@GGTutor1

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanjohansson2373 knows

@johnmighion8296

Жыл бұрын

I think JPs questions were avoided. JP keep talking about personal growth and this jackasskept talking about someone vs. enemy. Adam was naming animals but this guy keeps interpreting the Bible and his talk about a war between an enemy. Just curious, who does the think are the people represented by Adam and who are the enemies he wishes to destroy. You all missed this back and forth. I was first disappointed that JP missed it as well but he countered several times and his guest avoided. JP was easy on this jackassguest.

@GGTutor1

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmighion8296 stop trying to push your agenda by implying things that aren't there

@GGTutor1

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanjohansson2373 your relativist nihilism is depressing. Keep it to yourself

@GGTutor1

Жыл бұрын

@@stefanjohansson2373 I am open to all views and willing to be open-minded. But not to the nihilism you present which is not a view, it is the negation of all views and says that none of them have any meaning or worth. It is a paradox that you wish to share this view, since by your own definition it is pointless and meaningless. Your view is an acid that corrodes everything and gives nothing. I ask politely that you keep it to yourself.

👏👏👏 I'm a Christian, a philosopher, and discussions like this are like milk and honey, the perception of the Bible as a documentation of psyche and reality (as another facet of its religious implications). Good work man, and really insight-ivizing. Thank you

@henryharris8972

Жыл бұрын

The first two chapters of Genesis clearly define the meaning of what is heavens and Earth. This poor man is trying to impose a world view upon a text which clearly is not intended to be a science book. This is sad regarding the energy this man expended to try to make sense of the text. That information can be best understood by reading the whole book (old Testament) in it's context. (one can add the NT for more context).

As someone who went to a Christian school, I have know these stories since childhood... but I have never understood the stroy of Samon until I heard Mr. Pageau explain it... and what an amazingly riveting and self evidently true explanation! Thank you sir, from the bottom of my heart.

@motorheadbanger950

Жыл бұрын

Same here and as much as I enjoy the churches ive been to nothing comes close to what I’ve gathered from some of these great thinkers

@meanwhile4308

Жыл бұрын

Seriously I think they're overthinking this a little bit..

@Leon-Servant-of-Christ

Жыл бұрын

@@meanwhile4308 intelligence isn't for everyone, I feel you.. Lol

@meanwhile4308

Жыл бұрын

@@Leon-Servant-of-Christ 🙄🙄(((Yawn)))🙄🙄

@ASpeakingHuman

Жыл бұрын

I think you would enjoy the works of Dr. Michael Heiser.

I wish Matthieu did more talks, he is great. Thanks for this sir, you've given me a lot to think about.

This is the most surprising guest J. Peterson has ever had. I'm looking forward for watching something very serious and profound, here. Finally, the other Pageau brother!

Matthieu's book is just pure gold. I haven't found myself so engaged with anything else like I did with this book. Watching this video was also so satisfying. I whish if he would do more to explain this ancient cosmology. There is just nobody out there doing this. Thank you both Dr. Peterson and Matthieu :)

@RollOut82

Жыл бұрын

Amen. I second this.

@RealChrisLangan

Жыл бұрын

Oh, please. This and much more was all done decades ago by me. My name is Chris Langan. I'm the person whose Daily Wire inteview was cancelled without explanation just before Peterson came on board (the DW interviewed me because I'm reputedly "the Smartest Man in the World", and have been recognized as such for at least the last 25 years.) My work is literally a century ahead of anything Jordan Peterson is even capable of understanding. Now be good little amateurs, and exercise more care about false statements like "There is just nobody out there doing this." I did it a long, long time ago, one hell of a lot better than Dr. Peterson or his little friend could even dream about doing it, and that's it. Have a nice day.

@bikkelinger

Жыл бұрын

​@@RealChrisLangan Smartest, maybe. Wisest, definitely not. Saltiest, who knows? Why not apply for that category, the extra accolade might help to alleviate the boo-boos.

Jordan, I've listened to hundreds of hours of your podcasts. This is one of the absolute bests if not the best. Thank you Jordan and Matthieu!

Thank you very much for this Matthieu. I know you usually abstain from social media so this really is a treat for all of us! Keep up the good work

HE'S ALIVE 😳

@eugenealberts9318

Жыл бұрын

You have been told

@MyPlaylistWillSaveAmerica

Жыл бұрын

Wonder how his trip to California went.

@harpin4God

Жыл бұрын

And coming back soon!

@zzzaaayyynnn

Жыл бұрын

haha, the mythical Mattheu!

@johnnieparker4465

Жыл бұрын

@@MyPlaylistWillSaveAmerica They were not expecting him to be so brutally honest and knowledgeable 😂

I purchased Matthieu’s book a year ago. Just last month I finally had the chance to start reading it. Then here he is on your channel. Perfect.

What an amazing conversation. I remember when I was in my early 20's and freshly married. My husband hated that I loved to read fiction books..mostly great fantasy. He thought it was a waste of my time and even repeated that later when one of our children was present. I tried so many times to tell him those books had incredible bits of wisdom in them that I loved reading in story form. He was so resistant even though his friends would read books I would recommend. He would read "spiritual books" but considered everything else to be a waste of his time. Any book that would help me understand the bible is exciting. Thanks to both of you for your amazing ability to think and write.

@JeanClaudePeeters

Жыл бұрын

Fantasy is an expression of spirituality. So you are probably more spiritual 😉

@gardensofthegods

Жыл бұрын

Are you and your husband still together ? Can you please tell us if he ever came around to seeing things your way and having an appreciation for fiction ?

I dearly hope that this means Matthieu will get back to these types of conversations.

@marielivesey3176

Жыл бұрын

Again and again and again yes

@symbolicmeta1942

Жыл бұрын

@Die Enchanted whats his channel? Tried to search for it and all I get on KZread and Google is him in his brother’s and Jordan’s videos for results…

After long and scrupulous factors weighed out in a quasi-Thomistic fashion, and with thanks to you Jordan, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau, Robert Barron, and others, I made the decision to accept and profess the Catholic Faith in full Holy Communion. And still, after hearing what Mattieu Pageau has to say to a further extent, I am blessed to be part of Christ's Church. All of the symbology, psychology, ontology, prayer, Sacred Scripture, Authority, and Continuity harmoniously sing together in a meta-sophisticated, beautiful and true reality. God bless.

@brandonburns5249

Жыл бұрын

Dominus Vobiscum, brother.

@dankahlig6691

Жыл бұрын

Welcome home brother!

@conornagle9528

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonburns5249 and with you!

@conornagle9528

Жыл бұрын

@@dankahlig6691 Thank you 🙏🏻

I was really mesmerized by Matthieu's book and getting to know him through this conversation has enhanced my admiration and appreciation for him. He's truly one of a kind and I can't even imagine the insight he'll be able to gather in his next book as he works away from the contaminants of city life. He's like the adventurous hero who leaves the confines of the city walls to seek true treasure, amazing!

JP and co are seriously convincing me to open up a Bible and go to a church. I'm real close. I never thought I would, but it just seems to make more and more sense the more I think about it.

@jennytr5056

Жыл бұрын

I would recommend it. Just keep in mind that the church will be full of confused, fallible, broken humans. Interactions are messy. Worth doing though.

@Snake-filledChimp

Жыл бұрын

@@jennytr5056 Sounds like I'll fit right in 😅

@ross2812

Жыл бұрын

Snake-filled Chimp...Research "Scientific Facts in the Bible. The Bible is the only religious writings that have scientific facts revealed thousands of years before man "discovered" them. No other religious writings have scientific facts. Mathematically, there are at least ten dimensions. We are aware (or recognize, live in) four if you include time as a dimension. Some people will say that they have to see something in order to believe it yet, there are 300 trillion neutrinos that pass through every inch of your body every second but you don't feel it because they have almost zero mass and travel nearly the speed of light. Neutrinos exist but we can not perceive them without the most technologically advanced equipment. Seriously ask God to come into your heart. Accept God as Creator. Over time you will gain understanding of why satan is here. (I say this because one of the most asked questions is, "Why does God allow evil to happen.")

@jenniferbrown3857

Жыл бұрын

Strongly suggest reading the Bible over going to church as a first step. Lots of churches don’t preach straight from scripture or even understand how to interpret scripture. Even if they do understand it it’s hard to find someone who will actually follow the guidance in their own lives, or they’ll follow one part but not another. Just read the Bible. That’s all you need. Everything is there. Going to a bad church can really disillusion a person.

@donnafoster5215

Жыл бұрын

Going to a Biblical study group is more useful for engaging in the depth of the messages.

Amazing that Mathieu is back. He has had such a big impact ob me, I am reading his book daily.

@famousace4652

Жыл бұрын

One chapter a day is quite easy for me 😂

😱😱😱😱 I am amazed that you got Matthieu on for a discussion! Amazing! I've been dying to hear more from him since his talk with Jonathan years ago. Yes!!!!

Just realized the four horsemen of meaning have crystallized: Jordan Peterson, John Vervake, Jonathan Pageau, Matthieu Pageau. We've heard conversations between many subsets (especially of size 2) of these 4, but I think a conversation with all 4 at once would be lightning in a bottle. Without Matthieu in the picture, the more reserved and quiet Pageau voice wasn't heard as loudly as the others; his addition should balance the 3 voices perfectly.

Just thank you. I can’t believe I’m able to hear this for free. You have no idea how many souls have you touched Dr. Peterson. Thanks for all your efforts and having these discussions recorded.

This is a very penetrating discussion. I'm an atheist, and I've always said, since I discovered JBP's learning and insights, that if anyone could bring me to reexamine, reevaluate... reconsider, my view of religion generally, and the Bible, in particular, it would be JBP. Here with the help of Mathieu Pageau. Maps of Meaning I found VERY difficult to understand and comprehend. Very challenging. However, with videos, lessons like these, in gradually gaining some clarity, some understanding. Much appreciation and gratitude for these discussions. Thank goodness they are recorded.

@summan41man

Жыл бұрын

"Thank Goodness" is an example of using religious language when trying to most articulate.

@06rtm

Жыл бұрын

Religion is hierarchy. Thats the simplest way to understand it.

@firebirdstark

Жыл бұрын

Good luck on your journey, and I hope you find it rewarding

@stephendesjardins3626

Жыл бұрын

@@pjaworek6793 I purposely used the word goodness instead of "god" due to the... let's say, associations, the affect, of a troubling, disturbing, and subjective repulsion I experience using the word/label, which isn't dissimilar to Dawkin's sentiment of tyrannical and capricious, psychpathic authoritarianism. It's a purely negative psychological affect, but no less real to my atheistic sensibilities.

@summan41man

Жыл бұрын

@@pjaworek6793 Yes, etymologically it is derivative from the word God.

This is awesome! Pageaus book has been a total shift in perspective and he’s such an interesting person... he’s been a bit reclusive on here which makes this even more intriguing. Thank you both for doing this.

@knockda887

Жыл бұрын

Spot on this guys wisdom is off the charts

@E.GIOVANNI

Жыл бұрын

Yoo good point, while watching I had to pause for a moment to think about it but at the same time I was like I need more of an explanation please. As they go Jordan does a good job by getting out more.

@BboyKeny

Жыл бұрын

A recluse talks with rocks, a computer scientist makes the rocks talk back.

@tensevo

Жыл бұрын

He has nice insights for somebody who might be science or physical based, wanting to dabble with higher level patterns.

@tensevo

Жыл бұрын

@@BboyKeny you can create a child that talks back, but the question is did you create the boundary conditions for the child, or computer? Or did somebody else?

Can't get enough of these discussions. I can't even begin to describe the level of thought and reflection JBP helps me achieve.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally someone understands why emperor Constantine was brilliant in his insight to what the cross symbolism could contribute to stabilizing a delicate political puzzle. He found the one piece that brought peace to the Roman Empire at a critical time in its history. Cutting strait to the chase.............. The imagery of the Cross is the vertical line represrnting the connecting the energy of multiple other dimensions to this 3rd dimension as in " In the name of the Father and of the Son. Then the horizontal "through the power of the Holy Spirit" indicates the energy of spirit as the conduit between dimentions. The body language is great because the signing of the cross is so rudimentary and confirming of intention. It's like dialing the operator for your connection. Also, tapping the forehead draws the attention of the mind's soul to be aware that tapping the heart will energize a 3rd dimention focused message through the energy power of the Holy Spirit. Amen. It's tiring listening to critics of the Cross symbol claiming that Christianity is a blood culture. I wish our own team understood the symbol that Constantine so wisely read into that image and how well it established a code for faith, hope and charity and malleable through time regardless of human shortcomings. After all, the was only one human without a stain on his character and he served as Whipper Boy for the rest of us or so the biblical narrative reads. Of course life is more complex and thzt's why we have metaphors and allegories but religion gives the roadmap to faith, hope and charity to all inclusive. Symbolism of Cross is shortcut to all incusive Agape love not a blood cult closed Society code. The restraints of religion are psychological but that serves the objective of civil behavior otherwise human reaction will lead to knee-jerk reaction and regrete. Religious symbalism keep us in the zone of remembering who, what, where, etc and respect for all others from any walk of life. Picturing the open communication symbol of the Cross I say 'In the name of the Creator and of the Son through the power of the Holy Spirit have a Happy Easter' Agape Salute. Cheers.

I bought Matthieu’s book a few years ago and it’s a fantastic read. Now I have to re read it.

I love this in-depth focus on Christianity lately. I really believe that it contains the transformational power to restore hope and faith to the west. Peterson continues to do extremely important work. Thank you.

One of the best Peterson conversations. And the is saying something. I love the bible and this will give me a valuable new key. THANKS!

I can't get enough of watching this guy!! How amazing it would be to sit for a few hours and pick his brain? He puts in perspective so many things from the trivial to the enormous and morality of things or this world and in us. I can't believe they want him to take a "re-education" class! He's brighter, deeper, more complex and yet simplistic of a thicker than all of them put together! He doesn't abandon or hide his morals, values, ethics or ideals in regard to the idiotic idea that he needs to reLEARN them to appease. This guy stands alone in a sea of narcissistic vipers that act all haughty and knowledgeable and Superior. You can have all the education or knowledge in the world and still not get something for its base meaning or deeper connections to other things or ideals.

Hey Jordan, sending mountaineer love from West Virginia, you’re words of wisdom, guidance, and helpfulness will never be forgotten by everyone who’ve you’ve changed the lives of. Thank you Jordan.

Thank you Dr. P! I truly love your Biblical series and Bible based lectures, equally the other subjects you focus on. The gift you provide your audience cannot be fully repaid. A heartfelt thank you from our family of six who listen, dissect and digest together.

Intriguing conversation. Ironically, I wrote a thesis on snake symbolism, after having 40 snake dreams in which the creature appeared polymorphously, as friend and foe, culprit, magician, healer, etc. It is very interesting how "loaded" the snake / serpent and our response to it is. Anything that evokes such an intense response in so many people must be worthy of discussion and seen as a doorway to the depths.

@mandychadwick8762

Жыл бұрын

Im extremely interested. I also sometimes dream of a snake.

Jordan please keep doing live events if you can, I am in the UK and want see you in person, it would mean the world - currently I'm poor, but going to do everything I can to see and watch you live. Thank you for everything that you have done and continue to do.

Much grattitude & love from Belgium, to you & your family Jordan, you're so respected and you are a true inspiration, wishing you loads of good health.

Been looking forward to this forever!!

@johnnieparker4465

Жыл бұрын

So have I everyone thought Dr Jordan Peterson was an atheist he busted their bubble 😂

Absolutely wonderful conversation, and I now have two new books on my to read list, thank you

I think the Pageau brothers creative minds decipher these topics very differently than I’ve seen from others. I could listen to them talk all day. The Doc does an amazing job of asking questions that really help entice conversation from this interview. I’m in the midst of a rabbit hole of both the Pageau brothers at the minute and I’m loving it.

This is just beyond exceptional. Matthieu has eyes that can see, ears that can hear and a mind that deeply understands.

@lukesamuels1734

Жыл бұрын

The Bible is very complicated, but the gospel is extremely simple. We don’t need to understand the Bible to be saved but unfortunately many people reject the gospel because they feel that involves deeply understanding the bible. And many people just don’t have the faculties or IQ for learning the Bible as deep as Pageau

@stefanlouw6395

Жыл бұрын

@@lukesamuels1734 true, its also interesting how the Bible becomes far less complicated as soon as you understand the gospel.

@charliestevenson9438

Жыл бұрын

Maybe better phrased as by believing that the gospel for salvation is for your sins personally, you then are enabled by the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit to know the deep things of God.

I am really looking forward to this. Thank you for having Matthieu on, and Matthieu, thank you for being here.

I’m an LCSW and found this interview so informative. I am so happy to have found you Dr Peterson! I have been on quite a ride in my 73 years and am a life long seeker of Truth. You have given me hope and confidence to do my work without fear, in love and Truth. God bless you in all you do to uplift humanity.

Very interesting. I asked myself, did I understand what you were saying. I’m just an average person with not a lot of education, so I prayed before listening, asking God to give me spiritual understanding. What I got out of it is an understanding of how much I do not know, and how high Gods ways are. Having said that, I know why Jesus said we must become like little children. Simple faith and trust in God the father. One day when we cross over I believe he will give us all the understanding we need and want. I thank you for the video and your commentary, it at least helps me see what a great awesome God we serve!

Jonathan is fantastic, but my mind works more like Matthew's. He's wonderfully direct - a true gift of clarity. Interestingly, Matthew, being the more reclusive brother, is more direct, and Jonathan, the more public figure, is more abstract. A great combination.

@Nous520

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the description you give of the brothers is respectively the very essence (frac) of Adam and Eve - religion and science - politics and Eve and the serpent - Christ and god. The former being the living physical and the latter being the living essence of creation. The former being concrete manifestation of the latter being the very essence of creation as the spirit that cannot be explained but is experienced. And the former being an exaggerated manifestation of the attempts to explain the latter which inevitably is a distortion (by verbal language) of the experienced psychological reality and the psychological reality is just too magnificent in its subtle being to be interpreted and or understand by or through any means of human communication. The latter is an elastic band - the former is the manipulation of shapes but no matter what shape the elastic band is pulled into, no matter how magnificent, how attractive the shape - it cannot be held without sustained effort which in itself is unsustainable and thus the elastic band ALWAYS reverts back to its natural form - because it just IS and can only exist according to the laws of nature. That is life essence, creation, karma, the Holy Spirit, Christ, God- THAT is consciousness. I cannot really verbalise the essence of what I am feeling/understanding without distorting it with all the words used above…. I hope it at least kind of makes sense to you?

@paam1971

Жыл бұрын

@@Nous520 This is how I see it: Jonathan is the artistic more sensible (woman/earth/left/practical/eve) type, while Mathiew is the math genius more structured (man/heaven/right/theoric/adam) type. Could not imagine how cool was for both of them to grew together, complementing each other while developing their symbolic point of view. Nevertheless, we are soooo lucky to have them!

The Pageaus are some of my favorite people, I empathize with their world view greatly.

Praise God that we are able to watch men of such intellectual and spiritual caliber have this type of discussion. We are blessed.

I really enjoyed this! I also bought Mattheiu's book and recommended it to a friend. One point I would make is that any deconstruction (or even conversation) around symbolic structures and ideas has it's own built in 'snake' in that it tricks us into believing that we can FULLY deconstruct / diagnose / analyse these powerful ideas and images. Truly, they ultimately must be emotive, images that we experience in our mind's eye with a prismatic aspect of comprehension. The deconstructions are helpful but they (the deconstructions) are not *it* (per se)... no more than the notes on a page of sheet music *are* the song or the experience of encountering the song. Our left brain / rational sides want to limit these images / stories /ideas with precise boundaries; but, like with fractals, as one approaches the limits of the idea or symbol, the more unpredicatably fuzzy they become. The danger is to leave one garden to become stuck in the next one. Great book and interview.

@likyepetti

Жыл бұрын

The deconstruction of the symbolic meaning is more the motherly side of the process of comprehension which is more intellectual, because it reflects, like the water do with the light, the meaning of this knowledge without experiencing the source. It's like trying to figuring out the shape of the sun using some mirrors, you can't just see it directly with your eyes. On the other part, experiencing the warm of the sun is the fatherly side of the knowledge, and that involves emotional participation like you mentioned in your comment, I would rather call it mystical experience of the divine (like Tomber call it in his book "Meditations on the Tarot"), that's the first and essential step for spiritual knowledge. So I think you made a valid point. Unfortunately in the modern society the natural contact with the fatherly knowledge is lost, so a more motherly and analytical takes on the bible I think is a good way to give the more skeptical people what they want to listen more and maybe consequentially instill an eager for an emotional experience of the knowledge acquired. In an upside down world it may be more effective an upside down approach (from earth to heaven). Who knows?

a bit surprised to learn that JP didn't remember the first interview. it was wonderful! as is this one! grace and peace everyone 💜💕

Matthieu Pageau in a video?! That's a rare treat.

Thank you for carrying on the discourse of the many truths in the Bible, preserved all these years for our understanding. Chuck Missler was the most influential in my understanding of the wholeness of the Bible, and his background was Information Science (computers, mathematics). He showed the many threads and codes throughout the Bible as God revealed himself, from Genesis to Revelation. My first day at a Bible-teaching church, I saw myself immediately as we studied in Chronicles…body and soul, relationships and life on earth and a Holy God who loves us🙏💔💝 So much to learn to know Him, to know Jesus, the only WAY still living in us❣️

As a youth, when I was confirmed, I was told that one of the gifts available I could pray for from The Holy Spirit, was the gift of Wisdom. So I prayed and prayed asking the Holy Spirit for any wisdom that He thought I might be worthy of. Over time so much has been made clear and opened up to my understanding. I am so grateful to the Holy Spirit for His gifts. Jordan, I would love for you to pray the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Rosary with Bishop Barron. Wow , he explaineds everything so well. I would love to know what you think.

The Pageau Brothers are a force to be reckoned with. They're voices are oddly similar in a way that weirds me out and I feel like their father is a wise wizard ala Gandalf or some sort

@solaveritas2

Жыл бұрын

I think we can thank Jordan for bringing them to a wider audience's attention. I'm not sure I would have heard of either Jonathan nor Matthieu

09:44 Hearing Peterson realize that the word “point” is a description of the top of a hierarchy brought me joy after years of hearing the Pageaus make these kinds of profound elaborations on such colloquial language. Nihilists and atheists use hierarchical language all the time without noticing the contradiction. The world is a hierarchy and symbolism reveals it all around us.

The women's job is to LOVINGLY REMIND the man of who he is basically... His "LIGHT". Bring him back to himself... 😊 This was AMAZING! Thank you both for this!

Finally this book is getting more recognition and heck yeah-it’s great! Thank you JP

Oh man...I've been waiting for this moment ever since reading your book Matthieu. It was so helpful in helping me understand the mind of Western man. Can't wait to watch this.

@tensevo

Жыл бұрын

Brings a lot of clarity to ancient texts .

It's really easy to get lost in Jordan's description of things... the language he uses. But every now and again, when you follow the thinking through, you get blown away.

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

"Lost" indeed. Peterson was covered by 'Some More News' and gifted a whole Video-Essay just about him. Not just that video is epic though but the enitre channel is - i would go so far as to call it the News-Source for Atheists.

I love this conversation. I love seeing things in a fractal way, I am careful not to become lost. I usually try to do something to record or document what I see , which if I am really in the flow turns out like a mix of fractal geometry and abstract art including other things I can barely describe it , I find that with a bit of patience, and reflection on a piece that I can see and interpret and perceive what it is or was that I was seeing for lack of better words. Sometimes it's drawings and numbers and connections and writings. Like receiving a download of information I try keep myself tapped in as long as I can whilst I note down and or create some kind of translation of whatever it is or was. My mind is usually an observer and I use my senses to help aid the focus to complete which usually is at the time of an inner prompt to drop my pen and breathe . By the way , the lamp that looks like an 8 or an infinity symbol behind Matthiew captured my eye, I find it to be quite interesting. Thank you both for this, it is very interesting and productive and good conversation. Much to ponder on. Labyrinths dont work , nor a maze , it is more like a design that allows movement and flow and openess and ease of navigation and good intent rather than a troubling trap like place or path or trail. It is worth the while looking at landscape design and permiculture design , garden design. I am currently busy developing one right now that is almost like a mandala and there are many functions to take into account and attention to detail as well as careful tending to and re modeling , but basically it's the aim to be innovative and life aiding , no Labyrinths or mazes or puzzles or confusion at all, it is not okay to create an illusion. It has to actually work. Certain music helps me here . I really think that understanding the principles of photography would help you understand light and perception and perspective etc A picture is worth way more than words, it has a great large amount of information embedded in it. Go into understanding the history, development, current, and graphic design , principles of each. They help a tremendous amount. Even learning photography will expand your mission. I completely agree that it takes proof . Application. And obedience. Carrying out instructions and teachings. I'm already busy . The method works you are right , Matthiew- you are very gifted. Jordan , yet again well done, you are a legend

invigorating, nourishing , many of us are in tears of all emotion , pure appreciation and open peaceful wonder .... they are saying they feel your good intentions and love for this perplexing experience of body, conscious, space, ... many are also saying its healing and motivating and appreciate the manner and gentle translation of such difficult conceptions, experiences, stories, ... life.... the response is overwhelming and i agree deeply from the highest..... thank you , health and peace all

Read Matthieu's book! I have read a lot of books and it is easily in my top 5 all time. It is unique and amazing and will change your perspective on how you view the Bible and the world!

To Jordan Peterson. Bless you for allowing God to use you in such a profound way. You are greatly loved and appreciated by a large group of learners and searchers including myself. Thank you, sir.

This was so edifying. Thank you! I always enjoy listening to the Pageau brothers.

Jordan Peterson this is my energetic signature and intent. I send you light, love, strength and power. For as long as you align with the heavenly father and work with us all in taking down the chaos. You are spiritually protected and every step you take supported. Any sword against you will be blunt and any arrow will miss. Amen!

I cant believe Mathieu did this. Outstanding.

How could possibly somebody regardless of being religious or atheist not liking such a beautiful conversation?

I read The Language of Creation after almost two years of rediscovering Christianity. I just wanted Christianity to make sense to me once again as a mature and well educated young man. Pageau's ideas in this commentary felt like intuition for me as I read, and it was not hard to grasp the ideas, but I went through a time that i thought I was going mad because I could not stop looking at the world and reading it like I read the commentary. I went through some serious mental health issues for a few months (because I was scared I wasn't going to be normal again), but when I emerged, I was better than ever. I believe this book helped me know the truth and the truth set me free. Thank you Matthieu. Love form Zimbabwe.

Not to ignore the brilliant conversation between these two, but it makes my heart so happy to see how alike the Pageau brothers are, even in voice and demeanor. They both have a gentle calmness about them, and they are both EXCELLENT listeners and conversationalists. I get the impression that they come from a good family that instilled in them the value of courtesy, and it's so refreshing. They seem like the perfect people to be genuine friends to Jordan. Love all of you and thanks for another great video!

@dallimamma

Жыл бұрын

::: The concepts are vast, but, the man barely moves in his chair. Quite a feat!

His book is truly phenomenal, there are aspects I don't agree with fundamentally but it's worth a read, but I more recommend you read james b jordans biblical view of symbolism, I think reading these two books one after the other is vitally important!

@babyBmaj

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Please elaborate! I just spoke in person with Jonathan pageau about a week ago, regarding some of these things; voicing some of the critiques my colleagues have levied against certain aspects of this project. The ancient cosmological worldview is soo different than our current material worldview, it can be a challenge to get a handle on. Even when actively trying, I still notice the materialism permeating through my thought-world.

@suppression2142

Жыл бұрын

@@jiojiojoj It would be so difficult for me to explain in the comments especially due to my carpal tunnel, but I believe James B Jordans book will show you exactly what I mean.

@australopithecusafarensis5386

Жыл бұрын

@@suppression2142 I would not read James Jordan due to his being Protestant. Or at least very hesitant. We must repent of the sin of rebellion and submit to the Catholic Church. At minimum become Orthodox. We can no longer remain in an institution whose fundamental structure is to institutionalize and legitimate rebellion

This filled so many gaps for me, things I knew had to be there but couldn't find. As I recall the scriptures that I can, what Matthieu has learned fits perfectly and further explains every one of them.

@the2ndcoming135

Жыл бұрын

See, the way my alarm system is set up...💁🏽‍♂️📜

Wonderful to hear more from Matthieu. Excellent interview - eye opening as always from the Pageaus and lots to think about . 👏👏👏

These conversations are absolutely profound, like I discovered some secret treasure nearly upon every listen. I read Matthew's Book at least twice and was absolutely stunned by it's clarity in presenting these ideas. I really hope to hear more Matthew he balances his brother Jonathan's view in an important way.

Jonathan wasn’t kidding, this is a miracle!! ❤

FINALLY something related to psychology. The GOE has so many symbolical meanings to it, especially those which depth psychologists have found.

@mitsuha4788

Жыл бұрын

@@Mrjohnboy1965 That’s your interpretation. It’s a symbolical message. If you’d like to take it that way go ahead. Doesn’t make it true.

This was what I needed to understand a portion of John Vervaeke's historical half of the meaning crisis series. I really struggled to make sense of the continuous cosmos and also what that meant in relation to the gnostic cosmology. Now after about a year it finally all clicked into place. Thank you Matthieu. This was so valuable. Also the discussion of the first-born was really helpful. As an only-child, this paints the stories in a light that resonated and afforded some insight

I can not describe how much utility this conversation offers. Excellent!

Such good stuff always on this channel. Just like free college courses only better. ♥️

@hoosierdaddy2308

Жыл бұрын

@@metalworksboilers5622 Indeed. The best . ♥️

Appreciative of the pace, tone, explanation in the new forming ideas in the conversation, the highlighting of the parallels, and open energy in the conversation. For all the denseness/heaviness of the topics, this conversation was accessible and stimulated new ways of thinking. Enjoyed this one, thank you both!

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

Peterson was covered by 'Some More News' and gifted a whole Video-Essay just about him.

I enjoyed so much... Thank you. I've tried so many times, but never fully successful, to bring to the light this pattern I felt, see through cloud... It was evident, but each time I tried to verbalise it, words were somehow limited no matter how close to the meaning they were. Your conversation brought me beck to a period of few years ago, when I was trying to "find a God". As post-communist child, religion wasn't a part of my life almost anyhow, and during the time of regression to previous traditional way of life, I found myself in very big moral dillema - how can I become a part of the religion, accept its teachings and life philosophy if I don't agree with it in my soul. If I accept it without any doubt, just because my close people say it's good, it will be not better then accepting invitation to any other religion or even worse, sect. This moment was at the same time scary and exciting. I needed to know if my point of view is in aliment with christianity, or Islam, or what ever is out there to be offered to me as an religion. In that moment I decided "to find the God who ever, and in which ever religion it is, if it "exists"." From that moment on, I spend 4 years trying to answer those philosophical questions - what is this life, where does it come from, what is the purpose of living, where does soul come from, and go to, who the God is, is he person, or living force or some other natural force or low that keeps this world not fall apart... So many questions. And all the answers I got was from just observing the reality was this pattern you were talking about. And I felt it, knew it intuitively. I couldn't name it properly. But it was there in everything around me. In that time I met one guy whose life was completely opposite of mine, in terms of spiritual life we had before. He was the one from religious family, and was surrounded by Christianity since he was born. Unlike most religious people, he was open-minded, and he found very interesting my attempts to describe the God. He was my mirror and I was his. After we agreed that we speak about the same thing with the different words, I needed a proof that we haven't commit any logical missteps in our thinking route, so we both agree to elaborate our views of the God to our philosophy professor. After we finished our elaborations, the professor told us that non of us made any missteps in thinking, but that our starting points were just opposite. Mine was from the bottom to the top, and his from top to the bottom, and that our view perfectly correspond. We were both amazed. Soon after that, something happend to both of us - I found God in the way he described me - God as a person who is nothing but pure love. Even now, my words are limited. And my friend saw the pattern I was talking about. Soon after, our lifes were separated. This experience was the most obvious pattern that happend to me since. So thank you for evoke this memory. And thank you for sharing this deep thoughts with us. It's in deed food for my soul to listen your thoughts and ideas. It's very difficult to find challengable and engaged interlocutor about deep thoughts among young generation. It was great pleasure to listen this. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

@JeanClaudePeeters

Жыл бұрын

Unusually long comment (for YT) but I enjoyed reading it!

@wanawitch

Жыл бұрын

@@JeanClaudePeeters thank you

I read this book like 6 months ago coming from a secular Jewish perspective and every single chapter made me realize that I missed literally all the profundity of the Bible. This book is incredible

@suppression2142

5 ай бұрын

Ultimately Matthieus goal is to show who the messiah was/is and Christ is it. He said this in twitter, his goal is to show how the old testament Ultimately culminates to Christ. Christ is the renewal of the old without Contradicting it, he is the Crowning of the law. Meta Space crowned by time.

I used to find Jordan’s educated words too hard to understand and yet I have revisited thru the y tube algorithm Jordan again and wow he is so brilliant and thank God for his new found faith

@lucmalafarina1807

Жыл бұрын

I believe that JP's statement that ''I act as if God exist'' is insufficient for entering the Kigdom of God, imo, and too convenient for man's ego. I would say JP is close to Christ, but not born of the Spirit. He relies too much on his own intelligence to understand that which can only be understood and discerned spiritually once you're converted.

@diannalaubenberg7532

Жыл бұрын

Luc Malafarina Jordan broke down in tears speaking with Jonathan about the crucifixion and resurrection; his heart knows what his head isn't comfortable with; I haven't heard the "act as if" statement for some time.

The opening clip really hit hard because it's what I've tried to explain to nonbelievers. You have to practice belief, delve into the meaning of religion, and apply it concretely to your life so you gain experiential proof of its truth and effectiveness in bringing order into your life and by extension the world. Since the age of 13, I have used the Faith as my sounding board and tested every experience in my life and every theory and intellectual construct against it. And the Faith always had an answer. Every time I encountered grave injustice, pain, and prolonged, almost unbearable suffering, the Faith had an answer. Might not have always been the answer I wanted to hear, but there was always an answer, and the interior logic and unassailable stability and intellectual richness of tradition made me more deeply a believer. And my gratitude for the crucifixion and salvation literally was the only thing standing between me and suicide at one point. Catholicism is the only Faith I would live for, and to me, having a reason to live is even more important than having a reason to die. To those who don't believe in Catholicism, especially because they see the rampant hypocrisy and corruption of the clergy, and the watered-down liturgy that is mainstream nowadays, stripped of all traditional beauty, complexity, and gravity...being a Catholic is NOT ultimately about fashionable opinions, or following this priest or that bishop, like a fan club. We worship in community, but our worship is not about the people worshipping. As Paul says in Corinthians 3:4-6: "For when one says, “I belong to Paul,” and another, “I belong to Apol′los,” are you not merely men? What then is Apol′los? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apol′los watered, but God gave the growth." If I based my belief in Catholicism on the fashionable interpretations of morality from different subsets of Catholics, (usually heavily Protestantized on one end and heavily secularized and individualistic on the other) I would have left the Church a long time ago. But from my endurance of crushing, prolonged suffering while devoid of all human connection and support, I have an unusually strong reinforcement of how much more God cares for me than man, how healing the sacraments are (particularly the Eucharist and Reconciliation) and how unstable, untrustworthy, and incapable of goodness humanity is by nature. I think I'm getting carried a bit far afield now, so I'll end here...but just wanted to say thank you to both Dr. Peterson and Mr. Pageau for a brilliant discussion.

@traceycurtis1005

Жыл бұрын

I agree but here in Savannah diocese the tradionalists are punished. They've removed Latin mass and will ask you to not return when questioned about their embrace of modernism.

@mollymalone5307

Жыл бұрын

@@traceycurtis1005 That is sacreligous. Follow JESUS LIGHT and to thine own self be true.

I do have to add another comment, this one to say that I wish very much that I had heard or read some of MR. Peterson when I was a young man. His search for meaning has benefited many, and continues to help me navigate the world. I am an ex heroin addict, clean for almost 7 years now, and the single most difficult thing for me as I continue to emerge from that life is the question of what to do with myself. I suspect that this particular question is what led me into addiction in the first place. Today's young men have no heroes, are told that their natural state of being is toxic, have no REAL role models. One cannot aspire to be an elder in a community, because our (male) community is gone. Mr. Peterson IS MY PERSONAL HERO. His search, his questions, his insight, his accomplishments, his humility, and his perseverance. I feel that we fight many of the same battles; Jordan's very public fight with depression and anxiety has assured me that there IS another side to come into when the fight is won. Thank you Mr. Peterson, for everything you give of yourself in order to educate others.

I wish I could of had him as a Professor. He still makes me think twice about quite a few things. I learn more from him than from most other speakers.

Love this. Matthieu draws out some of the old JBP in this interview.

I'm currently reading The Bible I'm halfway through Genesis and this is so amazing and very deep.

@piratewhoisquiet

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, keep it up!

I don't pretend to speak for most women - I can only speak for myself, and my own experience as a woman. I find that it is more satisfying to help other people than to compete against them, because if I compete against them I might win some of the time, but if I help them, we both win all of the time. However, it is also important to me that other people know that I am still capable of competing. It hurts when people assume that I'm helping because I can't compete. I don't know if that's more of a cultural issue or a personal one, but it makes it hard to enjoy successful contributions and team wins when I'm constantly on guard against being perceived as a non-contributor or worse, dead weight. I think past eras probably placed far more value on supporting roles, and the modern narrative has it backwards when it makes the claim that past generations didn't value women as much. I think that in reality, it is modern society that places less value on team players and supporting roles, especially when it comes to women. Everyone is expected to be the "star player" who carries the team single-handedly, and if you're not that person, you aren't seen as a successful human. I mean look at what constitutes a "strong female lead" in an action movie - little girls are learning that to be a heroine, they have to be able to wipe the floor with several male pro-wrestlers at once, and still be able to fit in a size 1 dress. The female lead also tends to be an anti-social misandryist, and it's absolutely forbidden to show a male character being helpful to her or possessing skills she doesn't. The supportive female lead doesn't exist in film anymore, and we barely even get the equal-team-player, or any realistic representation of female strength. The message seems to be that if you don't possess inhuman strength and skill, you are just a victim of oppression who has been brainwashed to not believe in herself. I'd say that Joan of Arc is a pretty good example of what the strong female lead SHOULD look like. She didn't go try to beat the English all by herself. She expected the men to play their part, and called them on it when they didn't. She obviously wasn't afraid to take risks, but she didn't take them unnecessarily just to prove herself.

@gabrielgboucher6546

Жыл бұрын

Really intelligent comment . I find myself that it is better To give than To receive so even more than To compete . Coopérative Spirit is the spirit of peace , compétition is of egoistical pride but yes i understand not wanting being seen as a "door mat" . Good comment

Wonferful to listen to two minds of clarity respect and complementary gleanings, discuss so much meaning. Thank you.