Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and KZreadr exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.
For more information and articles on symbolism check out The Symbolic World website linked above.
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This is so wonderful. Thank you ❤
As one who has been positioned as a sacrifice by so many, your dissertation on the subject is thoroughly fascinating. 💯
It’s unfortunate that much of the church has forgotten this rich architectural wisdom, while government buildings along with Islam took it up.
@hichdoedi 0 seconden geleden RR, you were not ready for this conversation… I admire you for coming across as confident and somewhat articulate, but you had no clue… what a painful display. Thank you JP for making sense.
@JonathanPageau I'd love for you to do some analysis of Gothic architecture in the terms of its own builders and defenders as one of the most distinctly and uniquely of Christian styles of architecture: namely, in the pointing upward to heaven, the Latin cruciform structure (reflecting the human shape), the considerations of light and moving of iconography to windows, etc. The Christian adopting and elevating of pagan Roman forms of the square and circle is obviously a beautiful and worthy subject of contemplation, but the development of architectural theology in the thoroughly and exclusively Christian imagination to the Gothic forms surely must deserve some reflection as well?
Need to be reminded of heaven? There’s an apse for that.
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Thank you very much for sharing this truly interesting conversation! God bless you both!
This sparks a firestorm of thoughts. Thank you Jonathon!
Excellent. Thanks.
Man, this is beautiful! ✝️
It was a Catholic priest who said that it is the mother who prepares the bride for the marriage. Also, the queen in the old testament was the mother. There are so many layers to Mary's importance. Even more so because she is kept veiled in utter modesty. She is the ultimate example of quiet strength, there was no other way for her but to embody that wisdom of God. She said yes and undid the no of Eve. Through her the saviour of us all, all of humanity is born. How holy does someone have to be to qualify as the vessel of God into this world? I used to think as a protestant in the past, when I didn't understand some of this multidimential nature of Christianity. And yet I know Mary came into my life and she was at least a part of my turning to Christ our Lord. If we love God, we love all whom God loves. As Christians we are reborn into a huge heavenly family, and Mother of Our Lord is a beautiful part of the family.
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Thank you, for all you have stepped forward to do in these times. I so value and appreciate your thoughtful presentation of such sacred, beautiful work 🙏
Thank you for no coming up!!!! your symbolic explanations are less good then they used to be. But I doubt not your path. Jah blesss ❤🐸🐦!
Not Orthodox, but isnt antichrist usually interpreted as the ape of Christ? So these symbols may have similarities to Christian symbolism but are mere facsimiles, an attempt of antichrist to be seen as Christ.
You keep surprising me with more and more examples of beautiful symbolism. I will look at arches differently now.
Just last night I read pope Benedict’s encyclical Spe Salvi - In Hope we are saved - it bowled me over to hear Paul describe how his baptism as a Christian in the Shannon river in Ireland has radically changed his life, put him in a transitional stage in his life. He so beautifully expresses what Benedict states in the very second paragraph of his encyclical…” the gospel is not merely a communication of things that can be known - it is one that makes things happen and is life changing “
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Why are we need to, and what are we, mediating with Earth?
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:13 *🌀 Symbolism involves embedded patterns akin to fractal structures, where larger patterns repeat within smaller ones.* 01:10 *🧠 Consciousness plays a crucial role in understanding self-reference, essential for grasping complex symbolic systems.* 02:22 *🌍 Science's challenge lies in reconciling theories as part of the universe, while simultaneously observing it.* 04:52 *🧬 Biological and Darwinian perspectives highlight the self-referential nature of human models of the universe.* 06:14 *📜 Traditional hierarchies in cosmology resonate with modern scientific approaches, bridging ancient and contemporary worldviews.* 10:39 *🌌 Human beings are microcosms reflecting cosmic structures, as depicted in traditional cosmological views.* 13:19 *💡 The biblical concept of "breath" (spirit) links to intellect and the manifestation of meaning, essential for understanding ancient texts.* 25:12 *🌍 After the fall in Genesis, humanity must artificially correct or arrange aspects of life to maintain meaning and coherence.* 26:20 *🍎 Eating food and building the temple are acts of mediation between heaven and earth, where arrangements must be made to host meaning and spirit.* 27:41 *🏛️ The construction of the temple symbolizes the artificial joining of heaven and earth post-fall, necessary for hosting the spirit of God.* 29:32 *🌳 The biblical narrative moves from the garden to increasingly artificial constructs like clothing, agriculture, and cities, culminating in the New Jerusalem.* 31:09 *🐍 Nakedness in the Bible symbolizes a natural state, akin to the pre-creation state of cyclical reality as symbolized by the flooded world.* 32:46 *🌊 The act of eating in biblical terms parallels societal integration, where individuals become part of a larger body by contributing to its identity and functioning.* 35:02 *👗 Clothing in biblical context serves to manage desires and give dominance to higher faculties over bodily impulses, both at individual and societal levels.* 36:10 *⚖️ At the societal level, making laws and enforcing them parallels dressing individuals, ensuring coherence and order within the social body.* 41:38 *🌌 Consciousness and self-awareness are crucial for understanding emergence across different levels of manifestation, from individual to cosmic scales.* 43:00 *✝️ The story of Christ in the Bible represents a resolution to the problems posed since Genesis, offering an answer to the dilemmas presented by the human condition.* Made with HARPA AI
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Wheels within wheels = spinner rims
very interesting stuff. a lot of parallels to kaballah and khemetic thought, as expressed partially through theosophy as well as surviving bronze and iron age manuscripts. nice to see a christian who has an appreciation for sacred form and even fractals. a rare gift.
Enriching content packed full of insight. This is very helpful to me and I'm sure to others.
Hey, hello everyone. I’m looking to make an art project with you. 🍓🍓🍓
This conversation with JP and Alex was so elevated that I feel JP finally met someone that can challenge him intellectually... what a treat must this been for both of them
Most interesting , im a fan coming from the LOS pipeline...
What about perpendicular Gothic architecture? Pointed arches, heaven is a little bit squashed!
Ah nice will listen to this, as an architect Ive been wondering on why architecture is important if it is at all.
Greetings from Georgia ( Caucasian Region ) ! <3
Eternal torment & Hell is a LIE & a doctrine of demons 👹👹👹🔥😱🔥😱🔥😱🔥😱🔥😱 God, Saviour of ALL MANKIND -1 Timothy 4:10 God cannot lie! Eternal torment is NOT SALVATION !!!!
The Stone from Heaven, placed from the top.
Thank you for this video Jonathan. And for the skateboarding one. There's been multiple eye opening moments in your videos for me and I actually feel like I'm learning something interesting that I can pay attention to for a longer time
Sam Hyde watches Jonathan Pageau
Yo what. Is there a clip of him mentioning Pageau?
Tell us where to find the clip
Why do you say?
@@maximosmagyar9653 Just thought fans would find it an interesting intersection.
@@sonofphilip8229 What I mean is why do you think or know that's true?
Felt like this whole conversation was dancing around 1 Enoch. Dangerous technology, becoming like gods, creation of non-human life.
So @JonathanPageau you a Flat Earther? Flat earth with 4 corners and a dome??
I had the privilege to see a version of this talk at St. Andrew Orthodox Church in Riverside, California. It was great!
Wonderful. Thank you!
More of this please! I've been doing architecture for a decade now and I'm definitely going to start designing buildings with this in mind.
Does anyone know what the beast is on the title card, in the intro? Is it the Simurgh or something else?
They explain it in Pageau's video "Heather Pollington: From Hollywood to The Symbolic World".
What writings or books have you stumbled across that talk about the history of architecture and Christianity? Are there any?
I knew a priest ( Catholic) who majored in architecture in seminary. He taught me about the theology behind and within architecture. It is a big subject. I am a stonemason and my work has been greatly influenced by him. It also goes into all architecture( not only churches)
You have the inner world (soul ) and the outer world. They are intertwined. We are affected on all levels of our soul by the environments we create, and live in. Good architecture is a vital part of of healthy living for the body soul and spiritual dimensions within us.
What is that painting called at 33:25?
The Transfiguration
"we dont have those events anymore... all we have are the stories"
Just bought a book about all this! Definitely worth getting a good book with photos of all this stuff
May I ask the title?
@@alandiaz5184 i find it's really hard to find books which explain this sort of stuff the way JP does. They tend to get stuck on the technical or are too basic. Id love to know some suggestions.
can you talk abut memory eucharist
This really and truly spoke to me. Thank you 🙏🏼