Join me and Richard Rohlin for the Symbolic World course on Dante's Inferno: www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses-pages/dantes-inferno

@seandegidon4672

21 күн бұрын

Speaking of Inferno, how do you view the new portrait of King Charles III?

@juliepaine532

21 күн бұрын

Precisely

@carlotapuig

19 күн бұрын

@JonathanPageau Jonathan, have you read The Revolutionary Phenotype by Dr JF Gariépy?

@psalm1197

17 күн бұрын

No no no Jonathan….God does not want us to become gods. Your guest has it right…we are to become godlike, he should have corrected you as soon as you said what you said.

I'm a simple man. I see JP & PK in my feed and I settle in with some tea.

@nickc.44

21 күн бұрын

Yes 😎

@jacobgray676

21 күн бұрын

You misspelled coffee, but yes. Same.

@AaronGrosch29

21 күн бұрын

@@jacobgray676 I'm fighting off a cold or I would be joining you in coffee consumption!

@kylemckinney_22

19 күн бұрын

​@@jacobgray676Black tea > coffee

@jacobgray676

19 күн бұрын

@@kylemckinney_22 you some kinda British or something?

It occurs to me that what EVERYBODY is fighting about is deciding what is good and evil on our own. Welcome back to the beginning.

🔹✨ *_A.I. isn't about making machines more human like, but to make humans more machine like!_* ✨🔹

@gumbypokey

22 күн бұрын

Indeed...who's making who?!....

@SlimStew1

21 күн бұрын

It could be “Both/And” if you consider “human like” as “fallen human like.”

@bigmeatswangin5837

20 күн бұрын

They're the same. Its all the same.

It's like tat old meme: "The convenience you demanded is now mandatory"

@WillCharge

19 күн бұрын

Thats a good one

Christ is risen! Two of my favorites together for a conversation! Yay! God bless you both! 🙏❤️☦️

@erri4433

22 күн бұрын

Indeed he is risen!

@lynaewall2060

17 күн бұрын

Indeed He is risen!

I am such a fan of these men. They both speak truth into a time of insane falsehood. Christ is risen.

Read C.S. Lewis’ “The Abolition of Man” he talks about this very situation in that book. If you enjoyed this convo, you will definitely enjoy the book! Much love to you all ❤

@phoenixcatholic5367

21 күн бұрын

I think that Lewis's novel "That Hideous Strength" is often overlooked as an excellent treatment of this same material.

@TheChivalrousChickenTender

21 күн бұрын

@@phoenixcatholic5367 absolutely!

My two favourites meet again!❤

@lisa52653

22 күн бұрын

👋🐒

I think Paul's greatest novels are yet to be 🤞

I'm actually in the middle of Jacques Ellul's "The Technological Society." There's definitely a similar sentiment about the tendency of technology to shape man and society, rather than the other way around. I've been thinking that there must be something to check the progress of techne, and it seems to me that the solutions must be 1) Faith/prayer, 2) Correct hierarchy of priority, and 3) patience.

@gumbypokey

22 күн бұрын

An Ouroboros story comes to mind, Asimov's script for a French animation 'Gandahar'...a forgotten AI from the future sends back 'machine men' to attack those who created it..."A double prophecy, a double warning"....

@0RTH0CHAD

22 күн бұрын

Jacques Ellul work is quite important in today’s world, thanks for sharing

@FEiSTYFEVER

22 күн бұрын

I was thinking of Asimov's 'The Last Question' wherein a computer is built to solve problems too great to solve ourselves. I want to reveal why I think it's relevant here but I also don't want to spoil it as it is a favourite of mine.

@tylerhanson1309

17 күн бұрын

Ellul’s “Presence in the Modern World” is a great follow up to “Technological Society”

@Exiled35

16 күн бұрын

Marxist nonsense. Societies have to have the ideas to create the technology

As a writer, i found this discussion to be riveting.

I’m absorbing every word these men utter! Such an amazing discussion! Thank you so much! Christ is risen!

This conversation was great. Currently i'm practicing my drawing and it was quite inspirational to draw while listening to you two. Glad that you inspired Paul to write about the Desert Fathers.

@mudhut4491

21 күн бұрын

I love to see other artists in the comments:) good luck with your practice!

This episode felt like a cup of living water that Jesus was talking about to the woman at the well. Thank you very much!

I, by chance, stumbled across Paul's substack a while ago and eagerly await every post he makes. What a great video! Christ is Risen ☦️

Paul's writing during the covid period was utterly vital for me. Made me feel less mad. I'll always think of him when I think back to those times.

I’m happy to see Paul smiling more. Jonathan’s joy is infectious. Or he’s lighter because he’s got the machine out of his mind.

Been hanging out for the next chat with Paul Kingsnorth! Thanks.

Love Paul's work. May I recommend also the work of Nobel Prize winning, novelist and playwright, Jon Fosse, whose stories are deeply Christian and contemporary, channeling everything from Dante to Beckett. Great conversation, lads!!

@christopher_ecclestone

22 күн бұрын

Thank you. I'll check him out. Ive never heard of him before.

@thomassimmons1950

22 күн бұрын

Cheers!

@thomassimmons1950

19 күн бұрын

​@@1BDIonthe666Cheers!

Brilliant minds, wonderful dialogue. Make me proud to be Orthodox. God bless!

2 awesome dudes in convo. Love it. Thanks to both of you for letting us sit in on this.

There's a Mexican-Ecuatorian philosopher called Bolivar Echeverría. He talks about four different "ethe" which we have developed against the inherent contradictions of "modernity". The first one is the "Classic Ethos" which is traditionalist but also kind of pessimistic and implies the belief that "it is what it is", the world falls from a golden age to an iron age hopelessly, so we deal with it like antiquaries by preserving what we can, remembering our loss and also being stoic about it. The second one is the "Realist Ethos", the most optimistic one, where we deny the reality of the contradictions, and we act towards modernity as if it were "the way it should be", we serve it, and we engage with it with blind faith trying to fulfill its demands believing everything will be ok in the end. The third one is the "Romantic Ethos" which is rooted in an existential struggle, it follows the "thesis-antithesis-synthesis" structure, and it can go both ways: it can fight back modernity by trying to cast it out by returning to or reviving an idealized past (I call this Historicism), or it can also fight back everything that is not "modern" by aiming towards a Utopia, very much like the Realist Ethos but rooted in the fight against something. The fourth one is also a traditional approach, the "Baroque Ethos" which is ritualistic (symbolic in Pageau's words) in which we take the modern and we place it in the right place inside a structured order and make sense of it through the participation in myths, rituals and festivities, it is baroque because it fills our structure and takes it to extreme versions of it. Bolivar Echeverría says every culture has a bit of these ethos iniside of them, but the US, for example, is characterzied by the Realist one, while Europe by the Romantic and Latin America by the Baroque. Very interesting.

@robertagajeenian7222

21 күн бұрын

Extremely interesting. All cultures contain bits and pieces of each ethos - like all cultures contain bit and pieces of both the past and the future in any present. And the main struggles never cease. Thank you.

@someguy2016

17 күн бұрын

Reminds me of Marshall McLuhan's Tetrad of media effects

I have been looking for a channel positive towards space and time. Fantastic

It's about time Paul K. started getting some traction with bigger channels! I've been following him for years and he's been one of the most accurate in breaking down the larger patterns of the socalled "meta crisis".

@davidburnmayr2868

13 күн бұрын

Paul Kingsnorth and Daniel Schachtenberger could be a great conversation !

I enjoy Paul Kingsnorth a lot. Thanks for bringing him on!

Great conversation,Johnatan and Paul!

Love this conversation. Thank you both

39:30 Seeing Vs thinking. Paul is communicating a change more fundamental than a worldview shift per se. ❤

"Computer says NO" sums up the modern age...

Before, churches would be the tallest buildings in town, now they are banks". Thanks for this conversation from the heart.

Beautiful animation at the beginning!

Girard’s I See Satan Fall Like Lightning is a must read. PS: very good conversation. Thank you.

As a student of Professor Tolkien and the Amon Sul podcast, I have to hard disagree about his writing style; nevertheless I appreciate the recognition of his insoghts, and I can personally attest to the phenomenon you mentioned. My worldview was very much shaped by Tolkien; I had a friend whose workdview, conversely, was shaped by Star Wars. Mine has served me well...my friend's did not, and eventually my friend was forced to abandon it and reevaluate the world in traditional Christian terms.

Great convo!

It’s like PK is describing a technological Opening of the Mouth ceremony, trying to call down “something”… and I keep thinking that the image of “sin crouching before your door” warning. Dear Paul, thanks for saying that about Tolkien. Because I always thought it was just a slog. And that it was like an initiation dividing the world into those who got through it and those who didn’t.

Good stuff! Thank you

I see what Paul means by JRRT not being a great writer from the point of view of technique. The first time I read LotR, I was confused by the long songs. But with each read, they began to grow on me. After more than a dozen reads, they’re now among my favorite parts. They are great in their own way because they use language in a way that is evocative of an older way of seeing the world, and that seeps into the cracks of your mind and stays there. They also richly connect the story to its larger world.

@MJeeEm-fg8md

16 күн бұрын

I think what I love about those novels is that Tolkien is both an expert and an amateur. He makes character and story choices that don't adhere to the rules of drama. It makes it different.

Of all conversations i thought this would be the one where Neal Stephenson would get his props for being the one who came up with the Metaverse.

"The stories will come roaring out again" Makes me think of The Last Unicorn movie opening song, "...when the last lion roars" Or Aslan's roar after the stone table.

“Ultimately our destiny is to become Gods”… He said it as if this is a common Christian belief. It’s refreshing to hear from people who have done a serious study of theology instead of reiterate whatever their pastor told them as a kid.

Once after a very intense psychedelic experience I’ve been fool enough to think of myself of as God. One of the greatest reliefs of my life was leaving that deceitful idea behind after months in delusion.

Thank you

“The lord of the rings needed to be trimmed and the hobbits shouldn’t sing songs that last 3 pages,” says the guy who made up a version of old English for a whole novel 😂

@Peekay72

22 күн бұрын

It's a fair cop.

I would like to hear you talk about this with Joscha Bach, Jim Keller and other working in tech. There is a critical need for the religious understanding to meet the tech world.

This is fascinating.

9:24 not so sure I agree with his distinction between tools and technology. The atomic bomb is destructive, but that's the violent application of the earlier technology of nuclear fission. Nuclear fission can also be used for good via nuclear power plants. So, I don't think that illustration he used effectively countered the argument that tools are morally neutral.

@Lee-zt9vl

19 күн бұрын

Agree.

10:00 I can answer this question for you - why we end up serving the tools. It is because we create things in the spirit of Egypt, the house of bondage. People are scared to create in the spirit of the gospel, because it costs too much, and I love has a limit. I have been trying to talk about this for over a year now, but I usually get dismissed, and I get the sense that people think I’m crazy. But I have no other hope.

Indeed He is Risen!

My friend Jane and were talking about the stories we loved the most; they were about all redemption. And she said, “Of course, if there is no redemption, why bother?” SAK

We need more talks on art! ❤

Thanks

Wow! I have also been pondering the question of prophecy and self fulfilling prophecy. I have been around for over three decades now and I seem to see a lot of the later.

Star Wars has been the latest "new" stuff we have been able to put together that is relates to what we are all expecting. And it happened 50 years ago.

19:14 the word you’re looking for is compelled. The tech minds feel compelled to usher in the new intelligence to the world.

Hi Jonathan, just found out about this channel! Subscribed ❤ Great episode Since the show's name is the Symbolic World - Was wondering if you'd like to cover fleur-de-lis ⚜️ it's one rabbit hole... All the best

Been working in automation and control systems for most of my life and have concluded that neither technology not tools are neutral, as the lovechild of pride and rebellion they present tradeoffs that take you further from ultimate truth. Either way, the hysteretical fruits move one direction, which presents practically as a great race to the bottom.

The Bride of Frankenstein, the end scene when the entire lab is blowing up, The monster says to his maker, “YOU STAY…WE BELONG DEAD.”

Wouldn’t it be an ironic punishment if the bugs make a jail break from that farm in Ontario and become one of the apocalyptic plagues?

@barbaraseville4139

14 күн бұрын

Driven mad by the mating calls of crickets.

@theangryslav9115

12 күн бұрын

Symbolism happens

Have you guys heard of the Basilisk paradox because that is exactly what you described.

@huntz0r

19 күн бұрын

Exactly that! And it’s amusing if you look up the history of Roko’s Basilisk, how badly it ticked off Eliezer Yudkowsky et al that they banned all discussions about it from the LessWrong community.

@SbonisoMMDlamini

19 күн бұрын

@@huntz0r Yeah it seems to me like a pivotal way of seeing things here that people should not just avoid.

As someone who did way too much DMT in the past and before social media and the public prominence of transhumanism, this is a formable opponent. The impulse to become God from the bottom up is a formidable opponent.

I've been thinking for a while how this scramble for AGI is strikingly similar to scientists' scramble for cloning in the early 2000s. It comes from a power trip, not a need for progress.

Off the wall question (literally) to Jonathan: what is the northwest coast-style artwork underneath the Symbolic World logo in your background, next to the East African basket?

I have begun to think that the only way our of the trap we are squarely in is to not participate. Similar to the sentiment that your guest shared early in your conversation, I have come to believe that not all technology is neutral as the common adage goes. Some is, sure enough…or maybe it’s more accurately stated, there is a spectrum of how good, bad, or neutral a technology is. I am starting to think that phones, televisions, the internet, and other modern technologies should be discarded. A great exercise I have found is to contemplate what will be in the new Jerusalem. What will we do? How will we live? I doubt there will be televisions and telephones.

In Southern California, the coptic orthodox diocese has a monastery in the high desert, St. Anthony Monastery, that is a good place to start how the desert father lived without going all the way to Egypt 😅

Thank you for your commentary on Tolkien's writing. I thought my difficulty might have been caused by having seen the movies before reading LOTR. Honestly, the first ~half of the novels of the trilogy was more difficult than the last ~half. The biggest weakness, in my opinion, was his description of the physical environment/landscape. I had an extremely hard time visualizing it. He did put some amazing thoughts/words in the characters' heads, though.

@luc432

22 күн бұрын

I agree with the writting not being too good and I had the exact same issue in visualising the landscapes in the first book so a switched to my native language translation and it was better.

@DEadSpaCE211

20 күн бұрын

He focuses so much on Character detail and dialogue and what they are doing it can be tedious. It was crazy how much I read and the hobbits were still fucking wound with Tom bombadil .

@eveningprimrose3088

19 күн бұрын

​@DEadSpaCE211 the characters speak beautiful words, but as characters they are flat, except perhaps Sam. I think he is the real hero of the story, actually. I have heard that Tolkien wanted to write an epilogue that chronicled Sam's life with his wife and offspring, but he was heartily dissuaded by his associates from doing so. Yeah, the Tom Bombadil thing seemed a weird tangent. I think Tolkien wrote a separate book about that character.

@matthewkilbride1669

19 күн бұрын

But that’s why he included maps. Before I even ever read the books, I loved looking at his map, and I filled in the details on my own. Nothing wrong with that as far as I’m concerned

46:30 - I had this observation at the beginning of COVID. Everything seemed to happen like every zombie pandemic movie, and I realized that it wasn't because art had so perfectly captured what the pandemic was going to look like, but it was because we were mimicking what we had seen happen in our art. After awhile it stopped being like a zombie movie and became something actually much worse.

Excellent video, thanks for having it. Just some random notes in case anyone finds them of use: Technology is just tool abstraction. So it is an abstract lever for tools. That is why people are struggling with this. I can see the misunderstanding here, because the usage of technology is behind an abstraction that is too large for us (now) we do not believe it is neutral. The example of Atom Bomb is middle out thinking. The original purpose of nuclear was fuel to replace oil. Cheap electrical power has always been the goal and is neutral. It can be used to help or destroy. Smart phones do not take you in one particular direction. That is just wrong. They take people in whatever direction that person wants to go in a sense. Sure, you can become dependent upon technology, which means technology causes collapse. Can Confirm as does history. Yes, conspiracy requires intent which often isn't evident and rarely is there. All of them don't see it as supplanting, they see it as bearing a servant that has abilities beyond them. Children. Can pass on their legacy after they die, it's just birth, controlled, exact, accurate, precise, the Age of Gnosis perfected with knowledge. Climate change is a lie, flat out bad math. The 'movement' was hijacked by corrupt people. It's that simple. Blaming technology is insane. Pretending as though some leftist BS cause is redeemable is the problem. The whole frame was 'lets be as wholesome as farmers without all the work', honestly. So the idea that people who think left create left is true, but they DID sit down with that intent, because they think they are correct. The 'pull' of technology is a leftist pull, because they are the rebels trying to escape. The folks on the right wouldn't create AI, they'd build a farm. That is why you perceive a 'pull' at all. This is sample bias, technically. Woah, you can use the language unconsciously when writing fiction. Authors describe this all the time when characters 'write themselves'. The whole point of the Post Moderns can be summed up with 'you cannot write what you intend' and 'unconscious information is available in all writing'. It is likely that art captures the movement of the collective unconscious, which is why art that points up is so important, to prevent artists from representing something across, or equal, or flat. You cannot stop the thing by pointing at it, only by pointing to something higher instead. It's almost as if the world is attention or something crazy. Tolkien is a terrible story writer, but a lovely myth builder. He's just not about stories. We are very confused in recent times (Age of Gnosis) about different types and styles of writing. What happens in LOTR is more about pointing to hope winning against impossible odds, towards the small conquering the powerful, to the flaws leading to victory, all themes that are missing in recent fiction in particular. The Matrix is all over the place, but people miss all the story, really, who is the hero, for example? The machines were always in control, in or out of the simulation. It caught things because it's a shotgun blast of symbolism that people no longer understand. When you can act out a story (in a video game, for example) then why read? Who even has time? That is the issue. There is a hunger, in a way, but perhaps it's more like a hole of meaning. The issue is one of what will fill that need? In many ways, that is the so called culture war, a war on which stories groups are believing.

I'm at 25:33, where you just mentioned that we talk about AI like it's our child. But we already create beings: children. Maybe this isn't about that same process, though. Maybe it's about incarnation? We are "incarnating" our intelligence into "dead matter"?

Jonathan Pageu thanks

'We're pretty good at creating. We're not very good at being gods" Mary Shelley explored this in Frankenstein.

We need a reaction to the new movie of Coppola !

We humans do NOT create anything... we put inanimate things together in different ways and we like to think that is "creation" It is not. We toy around with living tissue by taking it out of its context to "study it". Living tissue cannot be understood without its context. The creation depends on a context and we humans know very little about how to understand complex self-regulating nested system. Can we "create" the universe?

@Godmeat

12 күн бұрын

Yes, we can't create anything. We take something from the earth and alter its state. The closest thing humans can create is by bonding with another human (opposite sex of course) and create new life but God gives the soul and makes the creation complete.

Like cells "creating" cancer cells -- this is the best analogy for AGI I think.

"It turns out that being God is quite complicated." :)

This is the basic plot of Battlestar Galactica: the Cylons (manmade Artificial Intelligences) evolved and rebelled with the aim of whipping out humanity.

If the theory is that we can become like God does that mean those who become so will also be able to create more Gods?

Unfortunately his book Awake was unreadable for me. Specially because English is not my first language. I hope for a Portuguese version one day. Although I’m afraid that would an Herculean task😅

Great and timely interview. Don't agree with the Tolkien part. His indulgence is part of his genius. Might be that he is subpar by the measure of his 'technique' - but honestly, if thats the case, I would love to read some more writers as technically stubborn as he was. About the current cultural moment: would love to hear you reflecting on the Dune Movies. They seem to have started something.

Yes, creating life is one step to becoming at least god-like. Defeating death (either through actually achieving immortality or by creating for the any particular individual the ability for their essence to live on after the death of their body) is the second step.

Why does Paul cling to the carbon dioxide dogma so fiercely?

@MasseyThaiBoxing

21 күн бұрын

Came here to say this. He seems brilliant but that's literally stupid

One of my favorite stories by Somerset Maugham and a first rate movie with Edward Norton and Naomi Watts is The Painted Veil. It’s Christian in its ethic and gripping. SAK

49:10 he's referring to the novel "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which is one the very first sci-fi dystopian novels. It was an inspiration for the novel "1948".

It is necessary that we learn from exemplary Orthodox Christian and radical resurrection advocate Nikolai Fyodorov about the way in which science and technology can contribute to the re-encounter with humanity's responsibility for the entire created world. "Our social program is the dogma of the Holy Trinity", he tried to tell to us.

Consider Elements: the transfiguration of Elijah

It's a monster that's come back for its master story

I love listening to Paul. The problem is that he needs to get informed about regenerative agriculture! I eat as much beef as possible to save the planet and I can detail that out to the molecular level. Also to the soil level how the heck does he know that climate change is real. Doesn't he know that you can't trust any "narrative"

@beinsjd

18 күн бұрын

Exactly this. We need more atmospheric carbon, not less, and a lot more planting to greenify the earth. "Climate change is real" isn't wrong per se, though I think Paul's implication of AGW is incorrect. Climate always changes, always will, and frankly we don't have quality data to accurately say "to what degree" or "why" it's changing at present.

@MrSmith-zy2bp

18 күн бұрын

It wouldn't work for Orthodox Christians. We abstain from meat (except fish) half the year.

God can’t create something greater than Himself or even equal to Him by definition so all His creations are lesser but share characteristics with him. We, on the other hand, are trying to create something greater than ourselves which would seem to corrupt the order of creation that God gives us. And we know through tradition how that turns out. The Nephilim. When the angels and humans corrupted the order of creation they created beings that essentially devoured all of creation until they were stopped. In Enoch 1 it tells how they tried to create greater things than themselves, basically creating cyborgs or hybrids of many things and through this sort of inverse creation everything became tainted, it says even the material objects and the land itself was corrupted by these acts which was why Joshua was commanded to kill all their descendants and not to keep anything they had come into contact with. It’s like God was telling us, look, if you go this route you quite literally destroy the fabric of reality and creation and there is only one solution, which is the destruction of everything this idea has touched, a hard reset.

@Tect7

21 күн бұрын

Justification for genocide through human hands?, for a entity who calls itself "God" and yet also demands ritual satanic black magick animal sacrifice following the same ritual esoteric process matching the "pagan" Zeus demands of the Greeks?

I think it would be really helpful for everyone if the Symbolic World included conversations with people in the hard sciences and engineering in these conversations about techne. As an engineer I have a hard time even listening to writers or people whose entire education, life's work and worldview is anchored in the liberal arts on these topics. Not saying that their insights aren't interesting every now and then, but the resolution of their perspective on things like AI and technology is so low that it often feels like listening to children talk about philosophy or politics.

@julianchase95

21 күн бұрын

That’s interesting - but please say more about the ways in which you would deepen the discussion. (This isn’t a hostile comment - I’d genuinely like a taste or outline of what you see some possible deeper points looking like).

@mikealrodriguez6907

21 күн бұрын

@julianchase95 Sure. There's a tendency as Mr. Kingsnorth does in this conversation to create a false dichotomy between man and nature, or at the least between techne and nature, and I can't help but feel that this sentiment stems from an unfamiliarity with the physical principles governing both creation and technology. Man is nature. Or in Orthodox terms, man is created. The top of the created hierarchy and the priest that leads creation in worship of the creator, but still, created. Technology is also within this category. It is very easy for people who have chosen to eschew the study of the physical principles of creation to overly mythologize techne and the natural world in a way that, to me, seems unhealthy, with a typical example being the above mentioned severing of man and his works from the rest of nature. I know that we deal in types and symbols here, but I feel like it would make the conversation much deeper if the "we are creating a false God" crowd met the "it's just a bunch of transistors and directives that compile information and presents it in a certain way" crowd. To me all the context and particulars are missing and it degrades the conversation. Not saying that we need physics lessons as content, but it would produce more profound conversations on techne if at least one participant were literate in the technology and the laws of creation governing it. Edit: As an addendum, I also feel that this gap in knowledge and perspective has a tendency to preclude symbolic analyses of some of the most fascinating stories of man and creation, such as the development of our understanding of electromagnetics, a topic which is crucial to our understanding of the world at present and humanity's interaction with it, and which has almost single-handedly placed us on the trajectory we find ourselves on socially and culturally.

@julianchase95

21 күн бұрын

@@mikealrodriguez6907 very interesting… it would be good to put you together with them to discuss. My own 2 cents would be along the lines of: but look at the effects these mere transistors are having on the culture via the effects their products have on us! Perhaps I’ve misunderstood your point, but it’s almost as if you’re querying why Marilyn Monroe’s breasts have the effect they do on men - they’re just a bunch of fat cells! I can see your point about the dichotomy between techne and nature, but that connection starts getting stretched with the computer…the smartphone…to AI. I’ve no doubt misunderstood you - if you feel it’s worth your time, pls do explain more. All best

Yay!!! 0:12

Bringing a modern self-consciousness to the retelling of fairy tales will ruin them. Their value actually does lie in keeping true to the original forms, because they come to us from the deep subconscious (or call it the "early childhood") of humanity. There was a knowing within us then that we have since lost. The stories are still powerful because they speak to us on a deeper level than the intellect can grasp. They cannot be improved upon for a modern audience!

Funny how Frank Herbert's Dune is set in a world after the disaster of a war against AI where there are taboos against AI, but the Bene Gesserit set about summoning a "universal super-being" who they think they can control but winds up (surprise!) controlling them (maybe all along).

Seems like there is Paul on the menu boys.

I feel like Lewis’s “materialist magician” story is exactly what is playing out with AI development.

Do you think its a coinsidence that he for this topic chose an ongodly one and finished the book with a christian orthodox perspective :)

Economy is to ecology the same as astrology is to astronomy (sorry for my grammar)

You should try to talk to some Bitcoiners... (love the notion what you serve and i would say that is ultimately life alias power). However, talking about AI i would recall the saying "there is nothing new under the sun". The argument: we had the same feeling as we started controlling fire and later electricity. My challenge there is about what if you give an AI/Robot the task to "want to live" as there ultimative goal. Would they eliminate us if there is an advantage to there live?

Gavin Ortland claims he “destroyed”the practice of venerating icons. This will be an interesting couple of weeks. 😂

Technology, per se, is not conscious, but it seems as though it has always, from the very beginning, from the invention of the wheel, for instance, controlled us to develop and advance it. When has there ever been a technology that man has decided not to put to use? Technology has always controlled us in this way.

Ai could so complexly manipulate narrartives and events that itd be impossible to detect or interpret its intentions. Its like if a sociopath had infinite attempts to manipulate you, eventually itll work