As a 3D artist, I'm flabbergasted that any performance mobo vendor would say Cinebench is unrealistic. Cinebench is literally recreating a typical workload I have, but for shorter durations. I'd like to think vendors selling me performance hardware to do that job actually design to be stable with that load.

@ademiravdic

29 күн бұрын

wait till they discover people render things for hours on their computers lol

@Auziuwu

29 күн бұрын

@@ademiravdic hours? try days :D

@lookitsrain9552

29 күн бұрын

@@Auziuwu Try months at 100% full usage in many research areas, crashing in something as short as cinebench is unacceptable.

@BadMothaKalashnikov

29 күн бұрын

Yes I agree. We've been using Cinebench and 3DMark since the days of WinXP. If a PC can't pass those two with flying colors, it's basically trash

@Guardian_Arias

29 күн бұрын

I know, right? I did a photogamatry render that lasted 2 hours with my CPU pegged the entire time. The water in my loop was actually 66c. It was cold and rainy outside. My office was extremely cozy.

The fact that mobo manufactures are complaining about it being cinebench shows how little they care. Like Jay said, it's a thing you can run on your system, and the system shouldn't blow itself up over it. If it blows up with no user changes, that's on them.

@ronniekregar3482

29 күн бұрын

Yeah, but it's kinda like constantly putting your car on dyno....it can't be good over and over and over again.

@pekirt

29 күн бұрын

@@ronniekregar3482 It's not like that at all. The CPU/mobo should throttle that process and stop it from hurting itself. Unless YOU ask it to lift the limits, you should be able to ASK anything of it, and it should say, "I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."

@ronniekregar3482

29 күн бұрын

@@pekirt lol, then what's even the point in doing it in the first place?

@DrDipsh1t

29 күн бұрын

​@@ronniekregar3482it's pretty self explanatory... If you can't figure it out, Please don't ever be in quality control.

@-eMpTy-

29 күн бұрын

I very much doubt that any mainboard vendor said that. Cinebench is essentially just a benchmark version of the Cinema 4D renderer. In the real world, many projects would take way way longer to render than the 20-30 seconds a CB run might take.

I had exactly this problem with my i9 13900k with games, especially UE5 ones, crashing way more often than they should. Also, my Bambu 3d printer slicing software crashed consistently for larger models unless I set CPU core affinity. Finally, while trying to figure out why Helldivers was crashing frequently on me, I stumbled across someone on Reddit mentioning this issue, and the same fix mentioned in this video. After applying it a couple of weeks back, everything has been running flawlessly. Not a single crash of any software since.

@alikhuzai13

23 күн бұрын

may i know that reddit post, i accouter the same issues on helldiver 2

@VileVamp

20 күн бұрын

Link?

@sixthguardian6914

14 күн бұрын

surely you wont answer their question. your said experience are all made up bro. wahahahaha.

@davidfarley7286

14 күн бұрын

And I did it all while riding a unicorn.

Thanks Jay. Brand new i9 14900, water cooler, on an MSI board, kept maxing out temperatures on minimal loading. I checked the cooler, I changed the thermal paste, then started looking for answers. Thanks for this and a few other videos. It wasn't me, it was the mother board settings. I've been tweeking, but I'll go in and check the setting you posted on this video. I agree, stock, out of the box settings should have settings at Intel defaults, not overclocked settings. Thanks again.

@imvipeness

27 күн бұрын

What was the setting to disable on MSI?

@bigpoppa1234

23 күн бұрын

@@imvipeness reset bios defaults, set xmp, use "air cooler" mode when it asks, then adjust it to do a 250w power limit, negative 0.040 offset, 5.5g for all the p cores and 4.1g on the e cores, amp limit to 307a, LLC to Mode 8, Load Lite to 9. that should be rock solid, good temps, low power usage and score somewhere 38k to 39k in c23, which is 90% of what a super dooper overclock score is. You 'lose' some single core performance but that's irrelevant for actual usage (not benching) these days.

@LeadRakFPS

17 күн бұрын

​@bigpoppa1234 Will that work for every 14,900k though?

@Baelthaazar

17 күн бұрын

@@LeadRakFPS, well it seemed to work on my MSI board. No idea on other manufacturers.

@LeadRakFPS

16 күн бұрын

@@bigpoppa1234 Can you be more specific about how to set the offsets? What is the actual name in the bios for those settings?

As you and others have pointed out, THIS SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT. The most stable limits recommended by Intel *SHOULD BE THE DEFAULT SETTINGS OF THE MOTHERBOARD*

@lostinny690

29 күн бұрын

Right, your average person never goes into the BIOS or sees AUTO and just thinks okay that means it isn't overclocked so it is "safe." They sure don't think "I hope AUTO redlines my CPU/System to the point of failure or damage." It blows my mind that Intel is okay with this, NVIDIA and AMD would never let ASUS or MSI do this with their GPUs.

@nichronos

29 күн бұрын

Let me tell you something, this wont make any difference, because i already had an 14900KF that BSOD and crashing day one. The silicone itself is bad, the motherboard settings just let us see it faster than intel had planned!

@moira4707

29 күн бұрын

I mean, yes and no - I very much appreciates my MSI motherboard lets my 11400 run on PL2 forever as long as the temps are fine, something which is very much 'out of specs' for that chip. There's 'out of specs', and 'pumping 100+ watts over the "safe" limit forever' out of specs

@PowellCat745

29 күн бұрын

But but but that gives a bad Cinebench score like worse than a 7950X3D. 14900KS users won’t be happy about it.

@nerfherder6166

29 күн бұрын

The kitchen in my apartment has a dishwasher but no drawers. They removed all the drawers to put in the dishwasher. I didn't notice until I moved in. They can market "dishwasher" as a selling point for a cheap apartment. Nobody checks for drawers. It's just assumed. Same reason that most prebuilts have shitty power supplies.

How is Cinebench *not realistic*? Its literally the render engine of Cinema 4D and 3d render is #1 use case for a consumer-grade 24-core CPU.

@noth606

21 күн бұрын

Where do you get that info from, regarding #1 usecase? Curious because I'm near certain that is not the case.

@Killerspaten

7 күн бұрын

most ddr5 8000 esport gamers do not use their cpu to render stuff

As a geek squad technician, lots and lots of clients have come in with this same issue, I've been doing the same thing for 13-14th cen CPUs, Drop the core volts to 1.4-1.3 volts, and dropping the p cores to 5.7-5.4 ghz. Most of not all clients haven't had issues since. If you want that 6ghz the CPU advertised. It's only going to be on 2 p cores or less! Or you'll need a 480mm liquid cooler or dual radiator custom cooling setup to handle 6ghz most cores. E cores drop those to 4.4-4.3ghz These settings still get good numbers achieving 38k-40k points on cinabench r23. Hope this helps and good luck.

@wyattgoesberserk8223

28 күн бұрын

Should I set fixed vcore? Or just auto? Also, boutta be working for geek squad in about a week! Good work man

@shawnnorman4551

28 күн бұрын

Depends on the Mobo, for most I set to fixed. I test the CPU with cinabench 30 min stress test or furmark. If it doesn't crash with those tests then it's safe to say it's stable.

@shawnnorman4551

28 күн бұрын

Congrats on the job!

@wyattgoesberserk8223

28 күн бұрын

@@shawnnorman4551 my cpu seems stable, but my cpu won’t go past 3.3 ghz when doing cinebench, and my score is so low. Around 25000 only. I have the i9 13900k too.

@bigpoppa1234

23 күн бұрын

@@wyattgoesberserk8223 5.5p, 4.1e and an offset of about negative 0.40v will still get you ~95% of the performance a 14900k is capable of (around 38.5k C23 when a super overclock will get barely 42k), only use 1.33v and not use more than 240w power. All these instability issues are caused by motherboard partners slamming the CPU & power delivery systems with crazy settings that don't match intel specs while also not really doing anything to help the system run stable.

thanks for the video. havent had problems yet but went thru and enabled the setting.

My Asus board had a bios update that placed the Intel stock settings as an option. You know, the thing that should've been there from day one.

@ZnakerFIN

29 күн бұрын

What should've been there is Intel stock settings being the default, like Jay said, not just as an option.

@MattHammock

29 күн бұрын

@@ZnakerFIN enforce limits were there day one but yes, not turned on out of the box

@mattiasgostasson6010

29 күн бұрын

Made it worse for me . now my cpu go over 1.475 volts . overheats , .

@eljoel89

29 күн бұрын

Man they're trying to blow up every CPU this generation.

@DustyCruz

29 күн бұрын

Enforce all limits I what really needs to be turned on when you go in to BIOS. My voltage on my 13900k was at damn near 1.5v before i updated my bios. Now it's at 1.3v and my temps no longer reach 90c. Asus is the main culprit here imo. I'm using an ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-H.

Silly Jay, Airbus doesn’t have a button to eject passengers!! That’s Boeing….

@DeanMurphyCDM

29 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@FiendWS6

29 күн бұрын

No buttons. Just door plug roulette.

@Usul-xp6ve

29 күн бұрын

However Airbus does not have problems with crashing and losing doors mid air? So hence no passenger ejection 😊

@KonradLis-cx1be

29 күн бұрын

😅

@SaraMorgan-ym6ue

28 күн бұрын

you thought you needed an I9 to game you thought wrong because Intel broke the I9's this is what they get for fucking the dog with quad cores for twenty years before going with more cores🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and either accept the air horns will continue till the end of time if you refuse to make me the AI I want so either lets talk about it and you make me it or the Air Horns will continue to the end of time because they will be to end of me being your relaxing Muse I will be the demonic Muse the end the relaxation until you pay me restitution so break silence and talk you know my email lets talk or find a new muse if they are so easy to find💀💀

For my 14900k and my Asus ROG Strix Z790, enabling the intel default power limits didnt fix it and I had to go in and manually set the Long Duration Power Limit to 253 and short duration Power limit to 253 and that fixed it. I was getting the Video Memory Allocation error on Remnant 2 From the Ashes before and updating those settings fixed it. Regardless, thank you so much Jay, I couldnt have figured it out without your video because I was scared to change the power settings and your explanation helped me figure out which ones to change

@lunchmoneyog

23 күн бұрын

I have a similar combo. By turning off Intel MultiCore Enhancement, and Adaptive Boost Technology, I was able to drop max temps to less than 80 degrees Celsius, and idle to around 30-32c. All with no noticeable difference in real world performance. Prior to changing those two settings, the CPU would constantly boost itself all the way to 100c and sit there, and idle was around 50c.

@dylancrutchfield2082

19 күн бұрын

How do you manually change the cpu core/cache current limit max from 500a to what it should be? I’ve done the disable and all…I really need help and have discord lol to old for this

i tried your tips and it helps quite a bit. the issue stopped coming up when playing RoboCop but i also did open a support ticket with intel to see if they would do a CPU replacement in case the CPU is failing. thanks for you advice!

less than a 5% performance dip but a 15C reduction in temperatures plus more stability... i'm all for it!

@anttikangasvieri1361

28 күн бұрын

Going to be quieter too and not need as much ac.

@saricubra2867

28 күн бұрын

When you enforce the Intel limits, the 13900K gets good perfomance per watt.

@Grubbens

22 күн бұрын

It shows that you are poor

apparently its not fine to run your cpu at 100c+ without power limits. I respect amd on thermal limits. 85max take it or leave it

@BobBobson

29 күн бұрын

I set my 5600X to 95C limit, but I stuck a 240 AIO on it and it barely touches 70C after a half hour Cinebench loop.

@jacobgatewood8074

29 күн бұрын

My i9-14900ks is on a360 aio and still stays at 100c with limits turned on

@rockets4kids

29 күн бұрын

Is that really what it took 20 minutes to explain? Have people forgotten that running components outside of spec is something you do at your own risk?

@ryanhamstra49

29 күн бұрын

Just upgraded from a 3600 to a 5900x I’ve had no issue with AMD, been using them since my 1600 I got in 2018. No reason to switch back to Intel until it’s an obvious winner again.

@user-sg1lq8qx7g

29 күн бұрын

newer AMD Ryzen X-series CPUs are 95c by default.

Thank you for this video. I just got myself a i9 14900K, and I had that error a few times. And I had no idea of these settings on the mobo.

It's worse than you think, Jay. These over the top power limits seem to apply to non-K SKUs as well.

THIS is exactly the issue me and my friend have been getting. He had this issue for over a year and just recently getting to fix things around. Overwatch kept crashing because it was one of the few games that pushed my CPU really hard (over 300fps) and thus causing crashes. I set my max W to 230 and removed the MSI default OC crap and been working wonders ever since. Awesome to see this put more to light.

@xBimmerHue

28 күн бұрын

Yea overwatch is one of those high cpu intensive games

@axophoria

28 күн бұрын

Exact problem I was having! I'm really glad this video came out.

@user-to7kv2rb8z

22 күн бұрын

I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)

@TinyTaurenRK

2 күн бұрын

@@user-to7kv2rb8z I guess updating your motherboards BIOS might be helpful as you may be on an older version

Board manufacturers are also misleading about validated XMP speeds. You need a unicorn CPU to run 8000 memory stable without any additional tweaking.

@joshcarlson9352

29 күн бұрын

A huge problem nobody is talking about.

@lmotaku

29 күн бұрын

I have this problem too, with DDR4. I'm getting nowhere near the quoted ram speeds. (Corsair vengeance RGB 32GB kit). It's supposed to be something like 3400Mhz, behaves more like 3100-3200. lol I can't trust the auto tuning of the MOBO. Always gotta set everything manually.

@jondonnelly4831

29 күн бұрын

Why bother going above 6000 speeds, is it worth it?

@guille92h

29 күн бұрын

​@@jondonnelly4831Exactly, but my asus mobo said max supported ram frecuency 6000 mhz and 6000 mhz runs perfect

@henryliu5566

29 күн бұрын

8000? Unicorn? You need Jesus for that.

With an Intel (MSI) the one to look for in BIOS is 'CPU cooler tuning' it should be 'boxed'

@DwindleFlip

24 күн бұрын

True but it will set the amps to 307 which will make the cpu underperform. So change it to 400 manually after setting "Stock fan" under ocoler type.

@jf4872

24 күн бұрын

@@DwindleFlip Will depend on other BIOS setting/s. If set at default or normal it won't.

@user-to7kv2rb8z

22 күн бұрын

@@jf4872 I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)

I'm going to test this method, I sometimes have completely random blue screen problems (usually when starting or closing a game). Thanks for the information and explanation!

The situation reminds me of the Coppermine Pentium III 1.13 GHz for much the same reason: Intel was losing ground to AMD back then, too, and pushed its silicon too hard to keep up. Electromigration was a hot topic at that time because of the high voltage being used to push the silicon.

Was thinking of upgrading to 13700k but got convinced to go 7800X3D instead. Hopefully it’s the right choice

@tomgreene5388

29 күн бұрын

if you only do gaming it's by far the right choice. intel wins for some other workloads but amd wins on temps, gaming, platform longevity.

@rankcolour8780

29 күн бұрын

Just got one, it's solid for gaming, not so great for anything else. Significant downclocks for any real non-game load. Easy to cool though with custom cooling went direct die for the fun of it, peak temps in the mid 60s most things tun at 35-45c though. Just to stress again that's with direct die watercooling. If you only game be happy.

@JonathanJoestarJuicefest

29 күн бұрын

It's not

@JamesKirk1988

29 күн бұрын

@@hopperbopper Only true in heavy multi-core work loads. Everything else, the 7800x3D will feel about the same.

@kennethmcclellan2034

29 күн бұрын

I have the 14700k and love it. 0 issues. Been going strong for 3 months now. Have it paired with a Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7, 64gb Corsair Vengeance and RX 7700xt.

same problem here thanks for the video!

What a great video. Thanks mr 2 cents. My PC is now not running fans like a Dyson to hold the cpu coolant in mid 40s and is now super quiet and upper 30’s all simple by taking the extreme factory overclock off. Keep up the good work

This is a problem that has occurred on two machines that I and my colleagues have built for our customers with a 14th gen i9 CPUs. They kept crashing Windows during rendering AutoCAD (which is the primary thing they got those expensive machines for). On one of them it got to the point that we had to replace the CPU because it was so unstable from that stupid out of the box overclocking. Thank you for this video, it'll serve as a great guide on what to do on our next order.

@AB-80X

29 күн бұрын

I'm sorry, but you charge money for building PC's and you don't know this? WTF!

@ademiravdic

29 күн бұрын

@@AB-80X they dont necessary keep up with news about them

@AB-80X

29 күн бұрын

@@ademiravdic I'm talking about the fact that any SI should know that the BIOS needs to be set correctly, even if this issue does not happen. So it has zero to do with these news. An SI should not send out a PC without the BIOS set correctly, no matter what.

@miinyoo

29 күн бұрын

Sad that people have to deal with this so early. There's no reason to run your CPUs at over 90C. Purpose built silicon is rated for that kind of over temp, not commercial CPUs.

@pupip55

29 күн бұрын

​@@AB-80X I know right imagine not checking if defaults are not defaults, its almost like system defaults are not defaults, imagine not checking if defaults are not defaults. but seriously its a very easy mistake to make, Very little reason to check if "auto" wasn't the default.

There are people who compare 13(4)900K with the FX-9590, that's not actually a fair comparison. FX-9590 was putting out 220W into one of the largest die size ever seen (it basically takes up the whole IHS) using 32nm. While Intel is putting out 300-400W into a tiny 10nm die, the power density is so much worse. Even after 13 years you can still find FX chips that has run since than without degradation.

@ABaumstumpf

29 күн бұрын

"13(4)900K with the FX-9590" Yeah - the FX was still slow.

@KevinEF

29 күн бұрын

​@ABaumstumpf it wasn't about the speed, it was meant to compare the power. This thing is drawing as much or more power than a 96 core threadripper. There's a huge size difference between the two.

@ToxicChillz

29 күн бұрын

@@ABaumstumpf everything back then was slow compared to now lol

@rangersmith4652

29 күн бұрын

My FX-8350 still runs like a champ. I only run it stock these days, but when it was in my primary PC it handled 4.5GHz with ease -- and heat.

@reaperreaper5098

29 күн бұрын

@@ToxicChillz Thing is, the 9590 was slow even when it was the newest AMD CPU, on top of being a hot power hog. Intel's current flagships are power hogs and insanely hot running on stock settings, but they're also not far behind AMD's flagships in terms of performance.

Thanks for this. Although I ended up going back to the mobo overclock, this was very useful info which I didn't realise I needed to know. With some experimentation, the simple background info provided by Jay helped to clarify what I had previously Googled. Very, very happy with the results.

thank you, Jay (and team), this is valuable information. I would have started looking at the video card with "video memory" error. As always, thanks for all you do 🤓

Great video, thank you for these informative videos! FYI I have a Z790P wifi motherboard running a 13700 cpu they just released a beta bios version that loads Intels factory settings. I have updated the bios and ran cinebench. My temps were low, no stuttering in games after the update. Hoping motherboards keep listening to the end user to help conserve our CPUS.

@ldavader2704

19 күн бұрын

Same here

@messier7849

16 күн бұрын

I am building with Z790P with 14700k. Where do I find the beta version?

good stuff Jay, i was having this problem after doing a bios update and setting the cooling to "water cooling"(which i have just in AIO form) what i didn't know was this was uncapping my voltages and making my CPU hit 100c anytime any load was placed on it. I'm pretty decent with computers and overclocking and it took me about a month to find out that this is what was causing my temp issues. The average user will probably never even find this hidden setting, it's just unacceptable. Keep up the great work man! ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

@orbis17

29 күн бұрын

worth noting my mate had the same 13th Gen i9-13900K and it was DoA from the PC store. Would work for 30mins then hard crash and had to be RMA'd.

@rasheedasmith1488

28 күн бұрын

what motherboard?

@orbis17

28 күн бұрын

@@rasheedasmith1488 MSI carbon

I remember on old bios we have “load default settings” and “load optimized settings”

First thing I did with my i9 was undervolt. No issues. Although I found out the hard way that 4 sticks of ddr5 don't work as expected. Took a lot of fine tuning to get it to run fast and stable.

I recently helped a friend walk through the issue causing crashes with hyper threading turned on. I9-14900k crashes reported as an Nvidia compute library file, but it cleared up after hyper threading was off. Weird, weird issue.

THANK YOU for reporting this. I'm chatting with Intel Support now and it's extremely frustrating! If they don't smarten up and do the right thing I'm done with their processors moving forward.

@Manakuski

29 күн бұрын

It is the fault of motherboard manufacturers... Not intel.

@fightinggamesexplained453

29 күн бұрын

@@Manakuski did you watch the video?

@fightinggamesexplained453

29 күн бұрын

@@Manakuski you should probably watch the video.

@AlfaPro1337

29 күн бұрын

@@fightinggamesexplained453 Did you even watch the video? It's the board vendors cranking up the power limit, and set it as 'default' or 'optimised'.

@JerzyMuller

29 күн бұрын

Yes, and Intel have full power to enforce the standards.

Thanks Jay. Very good topic! And I'm very glad to see you well!

I had an i9 and asus motherboard blow up last year, I assumed it was a bad cooler. Thank you for making these videos and keeping us updated on these things.

I would love to see benchmarks on the correct settings for intel. I wish all reviewers would have catched this a long long time ago.

@kyoudaiken

29 күн бұрын

AFAIK Gamers Nexus did and they test them with actual Intel Limits.

@inkredebilchina9699

29 күн бұрын

degradation happens over time, and as Jay said the company that produces the chips aka Intel is actively encouraging this MBO vendor behavior so... who should have caught it and when?

@kyoudaiken

29 күн бұрын

@@inkredebilchina9699 Source for "Intel encouraging MBO vendor behavior"? Cause if so, AMD does as well, which made some X3Ds pop and almost could have caused house fires, which I find even much worse than just unstable CPUs...

@inkredebilchina9699

29 күн бұрын

@@kyoudaiken Jay said it. not me. but I totally agree that there was a time x3d chips burnt themselves. which was reported heavily and in much detail by Gamers Nexus.

@kyoudaiken

29 күн бұрын

@@inkredebilchina9699 He also clearly said that it's speculation. So I would not take that as a fact.

Back when I was building servers for a living we tested all machines with a mix of benchmarks, and test programs that pressed the hardware to the limit. Most of that software came with a warning that it was not a realistic load for the computer but that was fine for us. It was real software doing just what was possible for the hardware. That it was programmed to press the hardware to the outmost was perhaps not realistic for normal programs but it was definitely reaching for the possible limit for the hardware. If the computer could survive this extreme load for 24 hours in a 40 degrees Celsius room without logging a single drive, memory or calculation error then it would survive any "realistic" load in more normal temperature. My point is test software is not intended to be "realistic", it's intended to be as nasty to the hardware as possible. The hardware should be built to safely process whatever software it getts to run. It's not enough that it works under optimal conditions or in cool environment. It has to be better than that!

12:45 - Well changed Turbo Power Limits to Enabled. But it still shows PL1 Power Limit: 253watts and PL2 Power Limit: 4095 Watts. GIGABYTE B760 AORUS ELITE AX board.

Yeah! i9-14900K here. What worked for me just to get it into Windows 11 was to turn off XMP1. I also limited Amps to 307 and Watts to 220, and limited all my P-Cores to 55 and E-Cores to 42.

For the 13700k I disabled the enhanced mode, set PL1 and PL2 to 253w, set adaptive vcore and I used -0.100 for the vcore offset. You can get away with the vcore between -0.080 to -0.050 for the vcore. I went -0.100 to have a cooler system. I tested it and got 31k on Cinebench R23 (same results as stock) but about -15 degrees less compared to stock. Very happy about it. Side note: I swapped the stock Intel CPU holder with a proper on from Thermaltake when building up my PC to avoid cpu bending and get better cooling.

@HexerPsy

28 күн бұрын

If you use XTU to tweak the PL1 and 2 limits live you can fine tune when the cooler + cpu combo becomes thermally limited and starts throttling. Set that as your limit, set iccMax at intels recommended max. Then check if minimum voltages are on in your mobo bios (XTU will not show negative voltage offsets if its on). This setting prevents undervolting in the name of ensuring stability. Thats how I went about it on my 14700K.

Let's destroy your pc it's worth 2%.... I'd rather slow my pc down to and be happy for a decade. I'm not spending 1000 bucks every 3 years if I don't have too.

@csguak

29 күн бұрын

What's funny is that the CPU actually runs better, because by limiting voltage and power, it doesn't thermal throttle. Meaning, it stays at high clock speed CONSISTENTLY, unlike thermal throttling and down clocking itself to give you worse performance 😂😂🤣

@miinyoo

29 күн бұрын

@@csguak Consistent clock >> dynamic clock. There is no reason for there to be dynamic clock logic unless you are trying to hardware overclock in the very design itself. It does not make any difference in real world tasks. We're talking seconds difference to complete a task.

@mars_12345

29 күн бұрын

Don't forget the increased electricity usage. 5% speed gain for 30% more watts? That's totally unnecessary.

@DragoNate

29 күн бұрын

@@csguak honestly i never even thought of this - good point.

@saricubra2867

28 күн бұрын

​@@csguakThat's why i have my 12700K set to 190 watts PL1 and PL2, 96 seconds boost and undervolt. The clockspeed is perfectly flat, i play a game and the frametime graph is perfectly flat as well.

I had problems with an i9 13900K on an ASUS ROG Hero Z790 from day one. I updated BIOS, changed RAM, formatted the PC, and the BSoDs continued even with undervolt or with the configuration that you have shown in the video to leave the limits as Intel dictates. In the end I made an RMA to Intel and after giving them the requested information, they replaced the CPU covered by the warranty in less than 15 business days. So bad for the CPU headache, but good for the Intel replacement system.

@anjelomichelangelo7726

11 күн бұрын

but if you don't set power limit to intel's specs, it still may start crashing. my 13900k crashes started about 4months later after purchase

@YeahhDan

10 күн бұрын

@@anjelomichelangelo7726 I got through a year (all with the “Enforce Limits” option turned on) and just started having crashing issues within the last month. Started the RMA process as well. Really crazy to me that it still started dying when I ran it at stock the whole time 😔

@jasonmsmith2

3 күн бұрын

@@anjelomichelangelo7726. Exactly. I think some CPU’s can tolerate it better than others others and so some will last months to a year before blowing up.

Had same issues you spoke about for my 14900k during first 3 weeks of 14th gen release. Wish i knew this information beforehand. z790 hero / z790 strix e Artic liquid freezer II 360 Used two different motherboards and two different 14900k chips. Both scenarios produced the same results. Cinebench and most games would crash upon starting and cpu high spikes. Everything was tested stock settings out the box. Returned both chips and went with a 13700k. Everything ran stable.

as a rule for my old work, any PC used as a workstation always had the auto settings turned off, stick to the limits and just use it

@Jean-Denis_R_R_Loret

18 күн бұрын

I just done the same for the past 2 decades. To me "auto" sounds like "inconsistent and potentially unstable".

I had this issue since the launch of 13900k. I was going crazy till years later everyone is having the same problem as I did.

@jasonmsmith2

3 күн бұрын

Same…. I replaced motherboard and PSU to no avail, now this information is coming available 😢

Incredibly well done and informative video; thanks.

Had instability issue with I9 14900k, used this and I can now pass a cinebench run with crashes. CPU would ramp up to 90°+ almost instantly. Now stable around 66°. Cooler is a Ryujin 360 AIO.

You say that the MSI equivalent is EZ Mode -> Game Boost but mine was off by default. What actually affects the set limits (as far as I can tell) is your selected cooler, in the bios. When you first start up, it will ask if you have a box cooler, tower cooler, or water cooler. If you select water cooler (because most nowadays are running an AIO) it will set it to completely unlocked limits for both short and long (P1 and P2) along with something like 512A. Setting it to box cooler will set intel limits 253w p1/p2. Tower cooler kind of sits in the middle at 288w p1/p2. I find though that it still wants to exceed those limits with the tower cooler setting, just like the water cooler setting. So, set your cooler to box cooler, and you will be enabling intel defaults. You can also adjust the Lite Load Mode from auto (which on my z790 carbon with an i9 14900k was Mode 10 by default) to something lower like Mode 6 or 8 to drop the voltages a bit more, but this shouldnt be necessary for intel spec because you should realistically be running in the 60-70c range under full load with adequate cooling. Additionally you can adjust your Load Line Calibration to change the Voltage droop when the cpu goes under load but thats kinda going into the weeds. Just set your cooler to Box Cooler for intel limits. I've never seen Game Boost/Creator Genie enabled and honestly, I have never even enabled it in the past to try it out.

@NanoNutrino

29 күн бұрын

This is interesting. I just built a rig with the same mobo and 13900k

@jf4872

29 күн бұрын

Correct.

@haies09

29 күн бұрын

Or just disable Enhanced Turbo

@BipolarBLKSheep

29 күн бұрын

@@haies09 I tried disabling that and it did not seem to make much of a difference. Also, if you’re using intel spec you can keep it on and the temps don’t seem to change much. I’m not exactly sure what it does or doesn’t do but I have it on now and no issues.

@Anthony-fd8mh

29 күн бұрын

Exactly what I did right after Jay’s video. Changed it to box cooler. Game boost was also off by default. My cpu would get to like 85c in certain games but not for long, but now so far hottest has been like 77c I mostly game and surf the web so I could not really tell a difference in performance. I did not yet have the video error problem after about 8 months on the tower setting but on that setting I was in the 80c’s.

Now feeling happy with 7700x , early memory issues were annoying tho.

@Manysdugjohn

29 күн бұрын

I am happy with my 5950X, just upgraded from 3600X. Gonna skip the whole AM5 platform and buy only second gen AM6. Never had issues adopting on mature platforms. Went from fx8350 to 3600X and now 5950X with the same x470 aorus gaming 7 motherboard.

@SmurfHunter

29 күн бұрын

@@Manysdugjohn Same, I have a well tuned 5900X under water, just didn't need the extra cores for the cost and heat difference of the 5950X. It's an absolute beast for games and everything else I need it for. I came from an i7-3930k around two years ago now and I plan to ride it to at least AM6 if not longer LOL

@abdullahkandrani

29 күн бұрын

@@Manysdugjohn The same plan, how are your temps, i just recently upgraded to 5950x, i have idle 45-60 some weird spikes sometimes but i solved that

@miinyoo

29 күн бұрын

7980XE is a fantastic chip but yeah the memory issues are indeed legendary bad. Once you get it going, it's a monster and still pretty competitive for anything except something borked into single threaded madness like Photoshop or After Effects. Got it used for 500 bucks many years ago and don't really see a reason to upgrade at all. If I want 5 Ghz, I can on a single core or two even and it does it no problem. 4.2 Ghz on all cores is kinda pushing it but it works. 3.9 Ghz fully loaded is its sweet spot. That's 18 full cores on a Noctua D-15 topping out at 80C. 7000 series was pretty good in a robustness sense, except for the memory. That memory controller is iunno. It takes magic for it to play nice.

@trparky

29 күн бұрын

Yeah, I'm glad I avoided this mess by going with AMD.

Can't wait to get home to try this out! PC has been randomly crashing everyday.. most times while just idling.. 🤞 really hope this is it! Thanks Jay

Just got a i9 14900k.. glad I found this! Thank you.

Man, I'm planning an i9 build right now, this is invaluable info

@Riyozsu

29 күн бұрын

Go with ryzen 9 or 14700k

@saricubra2867

28 күн бұрын

​​@@RiyozsuRyzen 9 scheduling is dogsh*t. I would take the 13700K instead of the 14700K (the extra e-cores do nothing to push perfomance, meanwhile the gap between 13700K and 12700K is significant).

OMG THANK YOU When I get home I will update my bios settings..... I spent like $700 on a freaking cpu just to get non-stop crashes and "out of video memory" messages! I bought a new cheap replacement cpu that works for now, but I want to use my nice cpu i thought was bad! i think this will fix my issue. I tried so many things, cant believe this is my issue.

@timgibney5590

28 күн бұрын

If you still ahve your old CPU try looking up undervolting. It did wonders for my 13900k and runs much quieter and cooler. Remember the reviewers get golden samples that you and I do not get from Microcenter when we roll the dice. My PC is stable after a good 2 to 3 days of work undervolting and setting limits and amp max and runs much cooler. Sure I do not get a 6.2 ghz boost and just 5.7 one one core and 5.6 on 2 but it works and temps are normal now

Hope you are feeling better Jay.

Switching to Auto from XMP 1 and 2 (both were very unstable) and following this video's instructions, literally healed my worries. I even turned off fast startup and switched to balanced power savings. Thank You! I've been struggling to boot the pc after sleep and shutdown. I used to hard shut off just to reach BIOS. Thanks :) 🔥

Timing is everything, seems last year when AMD was having the motherboard 7 series AMD issues, all content creators were saying in their own builds they are doing Intel cause reliability. Almost around the same time a year later, its flipped. Everyone has issues. It happens.

@antoniohagopian213

29 күн бұрын

But it's the motherboard this time.

@Audiosan79

29 күн бұрын

@@antoniohagopian213 And last year with AMD it was what? Are you now gonna tell me that Intel MB pushing power limits outside the specs is a MB issue, while AMD MB pushing SOC voltage outside the specs is a AMD issue???

@yarost12

29 күн бұрын

​@@Audiosan79yes actually, vsoc is regulated, in par, by AGESA, which is distributed by AMD to the mb vendors. No wonder they released a few versions to mitigate the issue

@pedro4205

29 күн бұрын

@@Audiosan79 Not only it, only ASUS MOBO had the issue. This one is wide spread

@pedro4205

29 күн бұрын

@@Audiosan79 People called a AMD problem because they said AMD should've been looking closer to the partners. Now with Intel pushing 300W CPU the backslash isn't half as bad.

My 13900ks broke. My 14900k is braking now. I spent 5k to have a great computers for years to come. All I've had is trouble and tweaks.

Same thing with mobo manufacturers for am5 there were BIOS issues where the core cpu voltage was too high or allowed vendors to increase it. This resulted in some 7000 series CPUs (the X3D models mostly) to overheat and buckle/crack the substrate on the CPU. That is why I am still using am4 don't know if they have fixed that for Ryzen 7000 series now though.

I have a 14900k on a Gigabyte z790 master x and been having this issue for months since I upgraded to this setup and had no idea what was going on. I finally found info that you just explained in this vid this past week and yes I had to turn my 14900k down to 55x and now I get no issues loading/playing UE5 games or any crashes in any other games. Which like you said is crazy how we have to run the K series processors slower when we are supposed to be doing the opposite with them.

@Aegis-_-

5 күн бұрын

Please explain. I have P cores at 55x (and tried lower) and already addressed the power limits and still have crashing in dx12 games

I recently had this happen on an Intel 7th generation i5 processor!

@jbrone1241

29 күн бұрын

I got a 6600k and got no problems. Never overclocked, never overheat works awesome. Can we please turn off overclocking and make it something we have to turn on. I want my next pc to work for a decade then give it to someone else. Who can still use it for 5 more years.

@antoniocalimero1173

29 күн бұрын

I have also a 6600k at 4600mhz and air cooling for 8 years and play the best games with it without ever having a crash. The combination with the GTX970 is perfect. Will buy the 50 series next year and hopefully play again for at least 8 years

@miinyoo

29 күн бұрын

@@antoniocalimero1173 4.6Ghz long term is pretty respectable on air. It's a x600 series so it's got the thermal room to clank up. There is a trade-off to cores. Sometimes less is better as evidenced by the 14900. 8 real cores, 16 co-processors. Shit works.

Intel needed the benchmark wins more than board vendors, so they for sure liked those power limits maxed out. Or else they would restrict them like they did in previous CPU gens.

@TheGameBench

29 күн бұрын

This is exactly it. I can't blame the mobo manufacturers because, in the end, Intel has control over this and allows it to happen because "bigger number better." They've forced mobo manufacturers to lock crap down that's absurd, and they let this slide. Yep... in the end, the fault lies with Intel.

I am happy to see the Old Jay back. Yeah, I wrote it. Glad your back. I know you don't get a lot of fan love on these, but glad you do them. Remember when you were happy to worry about 8 core problems?

I learned about this issue a couple of weeks/months ago and immediately noticed improvement once I set those limits in the BIOS. Way less stutters in games, CPU running cooler... It's really bad that they do this but glad it's finally getting some light because it solved a lot of issues for me.

Hi, 14900K user here. So the story goes: First 2-3 days stock MB settings with 360mm AIO the CPU was stable. Then, started messing with XTU AI and optimizer all stable and R23 and Cinebench 2024 high scores for one day. The next day booted the system and started crashing, restored the MB stock settings, and everything was fine. A day later crashes again, engaged the CPU limits (Intel POR - Gigabyte Z690) everything was fine. A day later random application crashes, random shutdowns and blue screens with Intel power limits. Counter-Strike 2 is crashing without FPS limit, but as soon as I set a 144fps limit the game runs fine. Battlefield 2042 is not playable at all (this is with Intel limits, I haven't tested it with MB defaults). I'm going to RMA the chip and I hope that I'll get a good chip this time. Good content Jay!

@legend_of_today

29 күн бұрын

The only working solution for crashes that I've found is to underclock it. Set CPU ratio on all perfomance cores to 55x and that should fix the problem. Resolved the crashes on my system, anyway.

@MusicNotesLabel

29 күн бұрын

@@legend_of_today I've tried, but no luck. Maybe I should downclock it even lower, but I could've get a 13th gen for less money and same performance. I'm using this argument to RMA the chip.

@Thebossreserve

27 күн бұрын

Did you solve the problems? I'm building my first PC, and I'm thinking about a 14900k, but I confess that I'm a little hesitant about this intel.

@MusicNotesLabel

27 күн бұрын

@@Thebossreserve i'm goind to rma the chip tomorrow. Best case it's glind to last few months...

@Thebossreserve

27 күн бұрын

@@MusicNotesLabel Let us know the final result. 👍🏻

The wild part about this is I was getting that specific crash on my 12700k rig. Never could figure out what was wrong. I recently built a new 14700k rig and it does not do this at all which is wild giving this new found knowledge.

@OutOfNamesToChoose

29 күн бұрын

I have this issue happening with my 12900k. Has happened since I built the darned thing, even though all memory-specific tests showing that the memory sticks are fine. I'm just about to try Jay's fix.

@JasRoss

28 күн бұрын

I had random freezes on a 12900k system I built. Spent months fiddling with settings. Got fed up, ditched the PC and bought a Mac Studio and never been happier.

@jaysonmcgowanmcgowan9376

28 күн бұрын

@OutOfNamesToChoose yeah imma power up my old rig just to see if this is a fix. But it also doesn't happen to my 14th gen system so is it like a luck of the draw thing or what.

@jasonmsmith2

3 күн бұрын

Personally I think CPU’s are sensitive to physical degradation over time by being pushed so hard. So we’ve been unknowingly causing unnecessary wear this making the crashing worse/more frequent. HUGE shout out to Jay for bringing this to light!

Bro you have to be my favorite youtuber. I'm glad to see you posting again

Hey Jay just wanted to let you and anyone else know at least for my MSI board MPG Z690 FORCE WIFI. I had to also change the CPU Cooler Tuning and change it from Water cooler to box air cooler, this looked like intel defaults and tower cooler power setting seemed to match intel extreme settings.

I cannot thank you enough for this video ive been ripping my hair out looking for an answer on why my pc kept crashing with the video memory error. I had reinstalled windows multiple times, i was blaming armoury crate for being a load of garbage. I got so frustrated I thought I had a bad connection and took my entire pc appart and redid all my connections reapplying thermal paste to my cooler. I am so relieved to have found the answer finally thank you so much Jay.

@johnjackson9503

13 күн бұрын

hi, how is it going with the fix?does it still work fine or you found some noticeable drop in performance? i have the out of memory problem and changing bios settings is scary! what did you change exactly

14900K owner here, no crashes/errors yet. When people said this chip was hot, I didn’t think it would be too hot. Out of the box in Cinebench temps instantly hit 100°. I’ve got two thiccc 360 rads with an Eisblock on the CPU. My system was also too loud during gaming (and I have all Noctua). I had to drop the voltage to 1.15 and max power at 225 (I don’t need 6.2Ghz). Sure, I got a lower score in Cinebench but in gaming I honestly can’t tell the difference. I also find it funny that I can call my 3080Ti a cool (temperature) product.

@marcteller4673

29 күн бұрын

Pretty much same here. The only crashes I got were specifically on cinebench, my main problem was the infamous heat of my 13900k. Tried everything to get it to cool with my 360 aio, and was very proud of myself when I got it to 93c on cinebench (39k-40k score). Then I tried resetting to defaults and did just the power limits and it caps at 80 on a warm day on cinebench. Similar score to Jay here at around 37k score. Now it runs as cool as it should

@pedro4205

29 күн бұрын

Considering that the crashes were from running it untamed, i think it is only natural that you are not getting any crash

@walternolasco9052

29 күн бұрын

Same I have 14900K and no crashes. Got an AIO cooler and 12 fans always keeps it at 32-40 degrees

@shuqi2

29 күн бұрын

My crashes were almost exclusively limited to Unreal engine games, with the added confusing bonus of sometimes working without any issues and at other times being unable to even launch the game several times in a row. I've used the Intel tuning utility to downclock my CPU for a while, but then tried out the BIOS setting changes last week and haven't run into any more crashes since.

@miinyoo

29 күн бұрын

Nice. Yeah. It'll probably last 10 years+ 24/7 at 225W. Intel does make solid fancy glass. So does AMD.

Great video Jay, I will probably be making these changes on my custom builds to protect users from 'themselves'. And another observation is why is Intel not taking legal action against the motherboard manufacturers? I wanna put NOS on my V8 sports car and when I blow up the motor I expect warranty coverage (okay, maybe not the best example...but you get my point)

3:36 In the context in which it's being used, you can use "perimeter", but what you actually meant was parameter when talking about Intel instructions.

Well, well, well, how the turntables.

I do not understand how all of a sudden this has become an issue for Intel 13th gen cpu that’s nearly 2 year old generation and let’s face it 14th is basically same as 13th. It doesn’t make sense to me

@seylaw

29 күн бұрын

There could be a degradation issue which only manifests itself after some time as CPUs age. The more voltage motherboards or users put through them you'll see them sooner. I've also seen personally CPUs degrade over time. On the other hand, most games don't tax the CPU that much, but shader compilation in UE games are highly CPU intensive. Possibly there are some CPUs out there which were sub-par quality from the beginning others might have degraded over time due to too aggressive motherboard default settings as shown in the video. As for stability testing, I use compilation workloads to tax the system and memory a lot which is a real worst-case scenario on my systems (as some compilations take over three hours to finish).

@FreiburgerRoyalTS

29 күн бұрын

I have the 13900KS.....My Issues came after 1 Year of using the Asus z790e gaming ,,defaults" ... Everytime on high loads it jums to 100°C instantly... my 360 Corsair Elite XT can`t cool this..... Now i disabled the Multicore Enhancement Set Pl1 and Pl2 to 253 and AMP 307 + set the Temp Limit on 80°C - Manualy..... Now i have no Issues but i dont know if this is a solution 😂

@arztje

29 күн бұрын

The issue is mostly on the 13900 and 14900 variants because of the higher frequencies. You are right, I have never heard anyone with a 13700 complain about these types of issues. Seems like once you go over 5.2GHz it becomes a game of who has the best silicon and can operate with stability - provided the game engines then don't freak out on AAA games.

@Skater-uq1gm

29 күн бұрын

Bios updates that's why

@thatdrh

29 күн бұрын

3:00

This was the video I've be looking for, thank you!

"you wouldn't have your car like that" Well, my mate had a v6 ford mondeo back in the day, where the fix to it pinking was indeed to change the timing such that, it had "less hp". Still wrong of course. I'm so glad I stuck with a 13500 for my recent 'super upgrade' ( from a 6700). A friend got a 13900 for his office pc (which he is running lots and lots of tests on, so uses those clock cycles) and he's had all sorts of problems with it. the info and fixes from videos like this has been really handy.

Jay, you are wrong about the MSI settings in BIOS, its not "Game Boost" but "CPU Cooler Tuning" and you set it to "Tower Air Cooler" instead of the default "Water Cooler" which is unlimited!

@Anthony-fd8mh

29 күн бұрын

This is what I did but took it further to “box cooler”. There is game boost but that was defaulted to off in my bios. Only thing I had to turn on was XMP.

@joed1482

27 күн бұрын

I spent at least an hour looking for this thanks @nichronos

@user-to7kv2rb8z

22 күн бұрын

I've noticed that people have a different MSI UI to me as they have Click BIOS 5 when mine is just called Click BIOS. Do you know where I would be able to find the equivalent setting but on my UI? because I have looked everywhere but haven't found anything. I have a I9-13900H, 4070 2023 laptop so I'm not on old hardware, however I am experiencing quite high CPU temps so this could setting change could really help:)

@Anthony-fd8mh

22 күн бұрын

@@user-to7kv2rb8z I'm not sure where it would be on a laptop and they might not even have the option because laptops are cooled by box coolers or AIO etc... you might have to look for the other settings Jay mentioned or maybe call MSI and inquire with them, or possibly try and look up your bios on KZread or Google and see what pops up.

Jay needs to learn the difference between a Perimeter and PARAMETERS

Keep us updated about this problem jay

With MSI, changing the setting in EZ Mode didn’t change the numbers after restart. Had to change them manually. Thanks for advice

I'm happy going to 7800x3D this summer...

@nabilbaroudi5457

29 күн бұрын

you should wait for the 10 800 x5D in 10 years, gonna be 300 % faster with ddr7 ( :p )

@NekomatchaJun

29 күн бұрын

I just upgraded to a 7800x3D and it's a wonderful experience so far. Hope yours is good too.

@korkuc26

29 күн бұрын

I have one. Definitely the best gaming cpu on the market.

@ruxandy

28 күн бұрын

I'm still extremely happy with my 5800X3D after almost 2 years

@dracer35

28 күн бұрын

I built a 7800x3d system and had to go back to my Intel system. The 7800x3d started crashing and getting bsod after a few months with 6000MHz cl30 ram and now can barely run basic jedec 4800MHz ram without crashing. (using the latest bios and ram on the QVL list) My 7800x3d has been the worst most problematic build I have had in 20+ years using both AMD and Intel.

I hate to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion, but the "out of memory" error is NOT just happening to the 13th and 14th gen CPUs from Intel. Systems as old as my 4770k can experience this, and it appears to be at least partially game specific. A really good example of this that I noted over on Steve's video regarding instability for the 13th/14th gen Intel CPUs is with Diablo 4. A modern game (with a terribadly optimized engine in many respects) that is having that very same "out of memory" error. The thing is, the Fenris logs for that game clearly show that the game didn't hit a *system* RAM wall, it hit a *virtual memory* wall. That is, for some reason, Diablo 4 as of the last few patches since roughly the beginning of March, are not swapping textures to system RAM like you'd expect, but merely dumping them into the VM pool. On my 4770k system with both a 1080 Ti and my 4090 in as a test (the 4090 is in there because I needed to test the card before its return period was up and hadn't yet put together my more recent build for it due to a bad back and having to move a Cosmos II case), the same out of memory error occurred. Every single time the result was the same: the game noted it had run out of *virtual memory*. When the game crashes like this I typically have 10-13 GB free of the 32 GB RAM I have in this system. The 4090 made a very interesting test scenario because of its absolutely massive amount of VRAM. In the case of Diablo 4 it appears that the developers kind of did a massive pendulum swing from previous patches. Prior to 3/5/2024, D4 was doing garbage collection at such an aggressive rate that it would induce frame pacing and animation time errors (stuttering/hitching). So as of at least the 1.3.3 patch it appears that frame pacing is smoother, but apparently at the expense of not swapping textures into RAM, but for some reason VM instead. Windows' default VM is going to be nowhere the size of your GPU's total VRAM in 99% of cases. The only solution found here was to *increase* the Windows VM size to ≥16 GB, which is an absurdly large VM size, as that then locks off that much of your boot SSD, which usually tends to be the smaller of any drives you have installed. Regardless though, users should never have to adjust the VM size because a game isn't coded properly. Yet here we are. So you might want to have the folks over at Falcon Northwest give that a try and see what the results are. It's possible we're dealing with multiple different out of memory issues across various games currently, but the timing of this is really suspect relative to when the D4 1.3.3 patch came out and it kind of has me wondering if developers aren't being super lazy and/or sloppy with how they manage memory and/or do garbage collection in their games.

@allinaxford

29 күн бұрын

I have run into Windows miss handling the hard disk cache in the past, if you don't have enough RAM it sets the minimum amount to low. Oddly enough PC's for dummies had a working minimum level to set it, at 2.5 times RAM, a work around for windows 98 era computers, and it did improve performance, on a HDD equipped laptop.

Back in the DOS days there were a few games you had to enter Command Line stuff to change some CPU settings in Windows so the game could have enough "Video Memory". To me it sounds like a very similar issue as back then and had nothing to do with the Graphics Card.

i had this also happening with an I7-13700K but thankfully my and the guy that does my pc tunning and optimizations was able to fix this awhile back

And here I am already worrying about my Ryzen 5950X drawing max of 141w. 😅

@jankees4037

18 күн бұрын

But then you have the slow CPU, Intel is faster. If you buy flagship CPU's you don't worry about wattage. You only want speed.

@xellaz

18 күн бұрын

@@jankees4037 Been there done that. I worry about stability nowadays. 😘

@tao4124

10 күн бұрын

The easiest way solve this is setting the "thermal throttle limit"

Much like the Ryzen burning issue AMD controls what their partners can and can't do with their products. Intel controls what their partners can and can't do with their products, Intel is to blame here just like AMD was to blame here, Intel enjoyed MCE giving them better out of box results compared to competing products because it wasn't a 'stock-stock' comparison. Now it's biting them in the ass.

@Delver639

29 күн бұрын

Ryzen burning? Which of the Ryzen?

@Steeloso

29 күн бұрын

​@@Delver639 x3Ds, that was mostly an asus problem though

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

29 күн бұрын

@@Delver639 X3D chips when they came out at the very least. 3D cache really doesnt like overclocking, which many boards run by default.

@pedro4205

29 күн бұрын

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 It was an ASUS problem

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

29 күн бұрын

@@pedro4205 Just an accident that same company had similar problems in the past, aint it?

I think it's the registers loosing it's addresses due to to much voltages, in the case of rebar this might cause this specific "out if video memory error" because it's address space is invalid

Hey, thanks a lot for the video! Just to make sure, should I update my BIOS to the latest version and then turn off the "Enforce All Limits" option?

It's like we heard this same exact issue on the 9,000/10,000 series intel chips? Time is a flat circle.

@SpiritHawker

29 күн бұрын

as you said my i3-9100F giving the same problems from January Last Week

@AgentLokVokun

28 күн бұрын

@@SpiritHawker I had 2 ROG boards for 1th gen intel. One would **ALWAYS** crash when trying to install windows. The other Alt+F4'd itself because it crashed while updating the bios because it was pushing unstable clocks. I returned both of those boards so quick after Steve / Jay did a report on MoBo makers trying to push out single digit gains "out of the box" Literally mobo makers learned nothing. They push unstable clocks out of the box but can't auto enable XMP.

Good timing award on this Jaz because this exact issue has been occurring in just the last few days for me. I thought something was strange about it because I have a 4090 and 64 GB of DDR5.

@Behemoth33

29 күн бұрын

Flexing much😂

@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt

29 күн бұрын

CPU is kill

I really appreciate your videos Jay, and I would appreciate them even more if they had labelled timestamps, because even though I enjoy the conversational monologue nature of your content, I would really like to see where in the video I can jump to, for the relevant information without having to go through a video scrubbinger hunt to find out where I need to be if I wanna skip ahead...

6:22 I am surprised the CPU didn't catch fire.

Really happy with my AM5, pcie extra lanes, lower wattage, first time I went with team red

I got unlucku with a 13900k it shows out of video mmory i gave it back to the pc builder company where i bought from now they will change it to 14900kf since intel do not make 13900k anymore. I hope i get a non defective cpu this time.

@ImNima

13 күн бұрын

Hey buddy, i had a defective 13 also and got the 14 ks and it was also defective, guess its time to go to AMD

Had similar issue on i7. I disabled Asus AI OC and the problem seems resolved. I am seeing rare blue screens, with unknown causes with default setting. I will freely admit, I thought Optimized Defaults were safe values. This was a good video, thanks!

Happy done this tip on my 14900ks and the temps are great and the cinebench score is the same thanks

Asus released a BIOS update 19th of April 2024: "The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games"

@evan-du3vk

20 күн бұрын

Hate that bios update. They forced mine 13900k into 280 amps wich makes all mine core goes 4.8 ghz at boost. And 280 amps limits power to 180 watts. So it really sucks. Was better before just 1 click to disable multicore enhancement and mine processor was working exactly as it should 5.5 ghz and 80 degrees in cinebench with top 250 watt power drow. And 60 degrees in cyberpunk 2077 with path tracing and psycho settings. No issus or crashes

So Cinebench results are tainted. CPUs are being run out of spec.

Thanks Jay, literally just finished an hour of testing my ram, after months of ripping my hair out thinking that I might have a bad stick or two, all passed - booted into windows from the test and saw your video and followed the steps and too my delight it solved all the issues... I like fast cars as much as the next person but, I dont put a brick on the accellerator to get it out of the garage LOL! - THANK YOU SO MUCH JAY! - Your two cents is priceless!!!

I like how an add at 7:48 interrupts Jay as he’s winding up for the rant. KZread has a wicked sense of humor.