1% and 0.1% lows are absent in ram tests. Thanks Jay :)

@jonfish490

3 ай бұрын

Does ryzen still like fast ram??

@jessierosenqueen5644

3 ай бұрын

@@jonfish490 Their apus greatly benefits faster rams.

@Frozoken

3 ай бұрын

​@@jonfish490yes all except x3d

@Je-kg8up

3 ай бұрын

No even x3D needs decent ram, it just has less impact.@@Frozoken

@oggiewalt6350

3 ай бұрын

This is the realest comment on KZread. Thanks for knowing your stuff, op. I'd like to say under this epic comment: Hey, where's the mention of single versus dual rank memory? What about Hynix A versus Hynix M? And what about primary, secondary, and tertiary timings? Let's not forget about channel configuration and its impact on performance. Oh, and motherboards play a crucial role, too. We can't ignore bus latency and first word latency either. And did I mention that faster RAM can fix texture chokes in 1 percent lows, not just average or maximum FPS? We need to be more clear and thorough in our writing to truly inform builders. Isn't that your motto? Also, I'm guessing your DDR5 OC experience is limited, and I can't blame you as it's quite the dive, but you certainly are not making valid comparisons or observations here. I have noted up to 30 percent increases in 1 percent lows over multiple brands, timings, and configurations. That is huge for dips.

definitely do the comparison with ddr4 and ddr5. most people are still on ddr4

@paisiosbstrike9262

3 ай бұрын

The main issue at the moment with DDR5, is not so much the cost of the ram, but the need for a new motherboard and a new CPU. Sadly, DDR5 motherboards aren't backwards compatible, nor are a lot of intel CPUs. So, keep that in mind of you want to change the protocol.

@couryswan2448

3 ай бұрын

​@@paisiosbstrike9262there are a handful of boards that take both types...not sure if those boards work as well with ddr4 vs a ddr4 only board or ddr5 only board......

@p00ner

3 ай бұрын

Hardware unboxed did ddr4 vs ddr5

@AthosRac

3 ай бұрын

You cant do that because they do use different mobo and CPU.

@DougGNexus

3 ай бұрын

1080p gaming it a boost, but for 4k gaming it's negligible per most tests I've seen.

Maybe for the next video you could keep one set of fast ram with good timings and just change the Frequency in the BIOS. That way we would know if the differences were down to frequency or timings. You could then compare 3 sticks at the same speed (e.g. 6000MHz) with different timings (CL30, CL 34 and CL 40) and see what difference THAT makes. Thanks for the video

@Breakfast_of_Champions

3 ай бұрын

Latency was always more important than throughput. Real latenvcy expressed in nano seconds NOT cycles.

@oggiewalt6350

2 ай бұрын

I'm not sure Jay understands Ddr5 yet. This is exactly why we see this video being so lackluster. Hopefully, he will put the time in like we have. I think he is bored tbh. I probably have 3 months of time in bios alone learning ddr5 optimization lol, and I'm just just barely getting a grip on ddr5 and new IMCs in general. I may be slow, but I doubt he will take it that far, sadly. Likely, we will just see more reptile brain activating click bait crowd appeasement style videos instead of real science. At best, maybe a half-baked science video that attempts to rug sweep this video that is still just more of the same reptile brain mass appeal, only with a fresh coat of frosting. He is making money. And that. Akes me happy for him but that whole educating builders motto is slowly vanishing and being replaced by click bait.... I hope he can return to the Jay we all know and love, humble yet thorough in a funny way... Again, I think he is just bored with it all.

@bricaaron3978

2 ай бұрын

@@oggiewalt6350 As one who is finally building a new system after a _decade_ (Feb 2014 build: Win 7, 4770K + GTX 770 --> 980 Ti ---> 2080 Ti), I can understand why a person would be bored. The PC hardware/building situation has.... degenerated significantly, with pricing only one of the problems (though probably the largest), and this is coexistent with the very real degradation of AAA video games in general. I've had this notion that this is a big reason for why many people have veered down the route of "Pimp My -Ride- System", where a big focus is on hardware aesthetics --- even the interior of the case. I almost can't blame someone for thinking that his PC is more exciting than the game it's rendering.

@jaromirandel543

Ай бұрын

It is not 6000 MHz. It is 6000 MT/s. It is dual data rate memory. The real clock is 3000 MHz.

@jaromirandel543

Ай бұрын

@@Breakfast_of_Champions RAM Latency = CAS Latency × 2000 / Transfer Rate - This way you will find the high transfer rate modules have same or lower latency as some "low" transfer rate modules with smaller CAS.

really? no 1% lows? im baffled you left out THE most imporatnt reason to go with faster memory.

@bricaaron3978

2 ай бұрын

Faster, or lower latency? Also, would it improve 0.1% lows even more?

@camotech1314

2 ай бұрын

​@@bricaaron3978 it should make the frame times more consistent.

@johncuthbertson95

2 ай бұрын

@@bricaaron3978I can confirm it does, and by A LOT. It makes sense too, the faster your CPU can grab data from the cache (RAM) to compose the frame and send it off to the GPU, the less “stutters” you’ll see since the threads aren’t having to wait for the RAM to deliver the required assets, which means your 1% and 0.1% lows will be higher. Jayz sorta dropped the ball with this one, hate to say it

DDR4 comparison greatly needed for me

@sisqobmx

3 ай бұрын

They won't do that lol, it would turn out that a DDR4 3200mhz will perform the same as 4800mhz ddr5 lol. The sponsors who pay this dude wouldnt want to let people know that :)

@paulozoldan8092

3 ай бұрын

@@sisqobmx You're clearly new to the channel, right?

@VultureUKmusic

3 ай бұрын

No complaints on my 3200's best memory i can afford

@luckgrip252

3 ай бұрын

Especially 3600MHz CL16 (I have that one - TridentZ Neo) vs CL18 vs 7200MHz CL34

@savageland8402

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, my ddr4 4100cl15 manual tuned is still just as fast as ddr5. Ddr5 is not worth the move till the hits 10000mhz

i can feel Buildzoid's heavy breathing on this video

@potatorigs2155

3 ай бұрын

hahaha

@TakaChan569

3 ай бұрын

who in the world is that?

@Alex-zi1nb

3 ай бұрын

who

@Dan-Simms

3 ай бұрын

Buildzoid is the most well known RAM overclocker on KZread. Edit: his channel name is: Actually Hardcore Overclocking

@TakaChan569

3 ай бұрын

@@Dan-Simms Ahh ok now i get it lol.

Would have loved to see this for AMD systems as well, X3D and non-X3D to see how much the cache can negate the impact of ram speeds (if any).

@KaXaSA

3 ай бұрын

Yep, super curious to see if it's any different with AMD's CPUs

@wolfwilkopter2231

3 ай бұрын

There is a difference and even X3D's need atleast decent RAM, as the Cache doesnt always grip and even if he does, he cant negate everything, its just 96MB...so having DDR5 6000CL30 on AM5(its the actual sweetspot) even with an 7800X3D is pretty much a must have for certain games and also workloads, as videoediting for example does sometime greatly profit from fast RAM. I on my end am glad that i had the DDR4 3600CL16 from my Ryzen 3700X setup when i upgraded to the 5800X3D. :)

@nextjin

3 ай бұрын

@@wolfwilkopter2231 I wouldn’t say must have for 6000 CL30 tuned memory on X3D but that’s a difference yes. For non X3D yeah it’s must have but I’m not sure why you’d have a setup like that tbh.

@koof_a_loof

2 ай бұрын

Make that another for AMD. I feel anecdotally that my overall performance noticably increased when I upgraded my ram speed on my 7900x

@DB-47

2 ай бұрын

Actually AM5 can use slower RAM better than intel. While Intel always runs DDR5 regardless of speed in UCLK = 0.5 MCLK (DIV2 mode), AM5 can run up to 6200 MT/s in UCLK = MCLK (DIV1 mode) then it automatically goes into DIV2 mode, so going with insane high speeds on AM5 is not worth it that much as UCLK clock divider kicks in.

I pretty much always buy higher clocked ram because I typically lower the clock speed and overclock the timings with the extra headroom I get instead, I had very good results with this

I have never thought of RAM as a part of my system that significantly increases FPS. I've always thought of it in terms of gameplay smoothness i.e. 1% lows and 0.1% lows. THAT'S where higher clocked RAM shows it's value.

@disser3849

3 ай бұрын

This has always been my understanding as well. Please Jay do another one with % lows!

@jaybee0507

3 ай бұрын

Jay isn't keeping up with times. People cared about average fps 10 years ago. In 2024 its about lows and latency.

@ching8733

2 ай бұрын

And what about timings and latency?

Yes Jay... do a DDR4 speed test too and tell me what mouse are you using in the video? I like those headlights...

@marcinsobczak2485

3 ай бұрын

I think it's one of the EVGAs mouse.

@urkent4463

3 ай бұрын

corsair ironclaw has such ones

@jasonbaren3595

3 ай бұрын

also maybe add system total latency between click and response higher latency can feel like you have more input lag

@CrowEditss

3 ай бұрын

99% Corsair Sabre Pro RGB

the 4800 was stable JDEC. Gotta stress test those XMP sticks cause they're probably erroring on stock voltages. Also, the faster RAM is most beneficial for 1% lows.

As you said, this is about gaming performance. I recently switched from running DDR5-5600 to DDR5-8000 and for productivity/general tasks, it does make a noticeable and measurable difference. This is especially down to latency. Also interesting is that the gain I got from frequency (running XMP profile) was doubled when I tuned the timings. So RAM tuning (watch Buildzoid’s videos for this) is actually worth-wile.

@michaellandon8901

2 ай бұрын

Dont kid yourself the difference will not be noticeable to the human eye

@DanielHebell

2 ай бұрын

OH, I get it. @@michaellandon8901 is one of those 'the eye can not see more than 60 FPS anyway' guys :D

@kasimirdenhertog3516

2 ай бұрын

@@michaellandon8901 it is. But you're probably talking about gaming, and I'm not.

@paulmartin2429

2 ай бұрын

Kidding yourself

@weebly_

2 ай бұрын

If it gives a measurable difference what's the measure?

so literally no latency tests at all

@user-zz9sv9fp3c

2 ай бұрын

Why do you need a latency test? You will never feel the difference between 77.5ns and 55.2ns

@oggiewalt6350

2 ай бұрын

@user-zz9sv9fp3c Sarcasm...I hope... It sounds like you misunderstand where the extra latency happens and how many times that "doesn't matter" happens per second.

@user-zz9sv9fp3c

2 ай бұрын

@@oggiewalt6350 Once again - the memory latency has no meaning. you will never see or feel it. The only case when in real conditions of use you can feel the memory - its physical lack, when the operating system begins to use not the overflowing memory, but the disk.

@robinenbernhard

Ай бұрын

​@@user-zz9sv9fp3c lover timing can help get more fps then higher MHz with high timing

@user-zz9sv9fp3c

Ай бұрын

@@robinenbernhard and?

Upgrade from 4800Mhz to 6400Mhz was a massive upgrade for my performance in actual fps in games.

Hey jay, did you get good news or something? You're glowing. Love seeing that.

Comparing a GPU Ray Tracing benchmark to test Ram Speed differences... LOL

The more and more I learn about PC hardware and gaming, the less and less I trust Jay...

@visitante-pc5zc

2 ай бұрын

Why

@Matt-lf1ik

2 ай бұрын

@@visitante-pc5zc This stuff is all wrong. He tested a GPU bound benchmark

@stevewoodyt

2 ай бұрын

His channel is aimed at people new to building with more money than sense.

@metallurgico

2 ай бұрын

That's why he has 4M subs and only 100-200K views per video.

@Matt-lf1ik

2 ай бұрын

@@stevewoodyt really hope he sees this… sad to see

Yes, do a DDR4 vss DDR5 test, possibly fast vs slow. This same test run on an RTX 3070 also could show something (8GB GDDR) A test on Star Citizen could also be very interesting as that game is a HOG for ram and CPUs

Please do a ddr4 comparison as you mentioned. Thank you for the video!

Yes please do the DDR4 video 🙏 Thanx for the video, nice information.

@OC.TINYYY

3 ай бұрын

It's not a confirmation of anything but poor testing. 1% lows w/ higher speed room absolutely destroys lower speed ram. That's before we even get to tuned timings on higher speed ram. This was an L video by Jay, unfortunately. Click bait 100%.

@Fennek_Kaipii

2 ай бұрын

He literally put a factory certified silicone lottery winner against a knowingly worse rated kit... It is better silicone, also on lower clocks... He should have done the tests with ONLY that one kit on his targetted timings and clocks, to keep ANY kind of consistency... But in the end I would never recommend anything beyond 6000/6400 CL36 personally (tRAS BELOW 100!).

@danielasklund7188

2 ай бұрын

I totally agree on this.

@Fennek_Kaipii

2 ай бұрын

@@danielasklund7188 I just checked for the kit tested and TeamGroup has no 6400cl38 kit... so he most likely forced a cl40 to do cl38, since the far more expensive cl30/32 kits would have specced better while dialed down to CL38... since those are TeamGroups silicone lottery winners... Before he discloses subtimings etc. this is an opinion article and no "test"... Just like his trash opinion about gold+ rating on PSUs would deem their quality (checked out with Gigabyte gold rated PSUs blowing up and DOA)

This type of video should be based on 1%lows 0%lows

@dphillip19

Ай бұрын

Also cas latency timings should of been included

Jay, if you could explain what CAS latency and timings and such are and what that all means that would be greatly appreciated. Great vid! Do the DDR4 one now, yes please! :)

@greebj

2 ай бұрын

It gets pointlessly technical... the tl;dr is that the lower they are, usually the better, BUT ... this video shows how "massive" differences in speed/bandwidth (up to +50%) AND timings/latency (~ up to -25%) show none to random effects on gaming performance... so there is even less point in minor tweaks to timings. The flip side is that tracing memory errors is the most random, intermittent, and difficult to trace error in overclocked PC components, I don't chase hwbot points anymore so I just don't bother.

It's good to see a base test to show the potential diminishing returns with higher clocked memory. I think I would have liked to see multiple runs, and maybe since there are 3 different speeds and also a couple of different memory brands, I think it would have possibly uncovered more potentially interesting results had the tests been done with 3 speeds for each of 2 or 3 different brands (ie 3 speeds of corsair vengeance, 3 speeds of gskill trident, etc). Would have been cool to compare the same speeds from different brands as well as the different speeds.

hi there, first i appreciate your hard work and thanks for this result. (i have gone through several comments and find out none have pointed this thing or i might have missed it) though i think you have done the testing in a bit wrong way because rather playing only one game and not using any other things on background definitely won't bring the proper results. it would be much appreciated if 2x game have been running together to get the result or having some heavy software running on the background like for streaming or video editing. more games like world of warcraft, Path of exiles etc would give more accurate result with having some sort of software running on the background which mention earlier.

I don't really understand what's going on here. If the idea is to show what's the average use case of people turning on XMP and ignore everything, then sure. Otherwise... weird results. Motherboard is not specified, we don't know if all the configurations have been tested for stability (XMP is not granted to work)

Jay, you shouldn’t be using AI OC in this scenario. You absolutely cannot guarantee that the OC would be the same as you swap from one ram kit to another. That’s a variable in your benchmarks that needs to be avoided by principle, big or small.

@bojan6368

2 ай бұрын

So much went wrong here lol. Idk why he hasn't taken this video down yet😅😂

Please do ddr4 and ddr5 ram comparisons... most average consumer are still on ddr4.. Thanks a bunch! will wait for it!

I love your tech explanations like this. Could you take a look at PCI lane usage? Specifically using a gen 5 m.2 stealing lanes from the main gpu slot. Thanks

@tdub77

3 ай бұрын

I also wonder how fast ram will effect you if you are running say OBS to stream while you are gaming? Just a thought for content creators...

Man, this was already tested by Hardware Unboxed like a year ago. And their result was that Intel processors are actually more sensitive to the RAM frequency but not much sensitive to the timings BUT Ryzen 7000 processors are not that sensitive to the frequency, as they cannot benefit much from DDR5 faster than 6000MHz but they benefit from low timings and not only from the low Primary timings but especially from the Secondary timings when tuned as low as possible that makes a huge difference in performance!!

@UKNamaste

2 ай бұрын

Do you have a source I can learn these timing tweaks? :)

@tkanal1

2 ай бұрын

Test@@UKNamaste

How much difference to the results with a lesser system, something like a ryzen 7600 and a 3060?

Hi Jay, love your channel. I'd actually love to see ddr4 test. Mostly game and recently switched from 64GB of 4000 to 128GB of 3600 curious if theres any noticeable changes there

With this big as screen I would not have been surprised if jay suddenly started talking about the weather.

He says this...but I bet his PC has 7200mhz of ram speed lol

@verde5738

Ай бұрын

100%

@Speedster189

16 күн бұрын

You mean 7200 MT/S. There is no ddr5 7200 mhz ram yet that would be ddr 5 14400 ram

If you ever had any soft of incling that Jay has no idea what he's just done to himself, just watch this video.

Great video. DDR4 test please!

I'd love to see a comparison focused on the same speed (MHz) but different timings (CAS, RAS, tRAS, CL, etc).

I am convinced Jay doesn't play video games at home or he has his monitor set to 60hz and didn't realize you can change it in control panel

Did not compare load times, modding and mod loading, performance when multitasking, ram load and unloading speed. Amazing benchmark about ram, congrats!

@michaelangst6078

13 күн бұрын

he has lot of subscribers so everything he says must be 100% fact!

Yes if possible, give us a DDR4 version of this, also it would be highly appreciated if you can include some frametime graphs or any sort of stutter and 1% lows comparison between different kits. What people seem to ignore is that the sheer number of FPS is useless if the game is running like a stuttery mess.

There's just no way that 7200 was stable. Potentially not even the 6400 - although maybe that one was just running with terrible auto timings or switching to gear 4 without you noticing. This isn't consistent AT ALL with any previously done DDR4 OR DDR5 testing by other people and you should've really been aware of that before posting false information. At least talk to some other creators if your findings are so far off everyone else's

Just a few points here: Would be good to include the CAS Latency in the charts and ,preferably to even that, the first word latency. I'm not surprised it's made very little difference in performance changing to faster RAM. I ran a few benchmarks last time I went from 3600CL18 to 3600CL16 (running at 3770CL15 or something similar). It makes zero difference in gaming. Actually few FPS lower in some titles. But the change it made to video and photo editing in Photoshop and Davinci Resolve was easily noticeable and confirmed with a huge difference in benchmark scores. So I made sure I went to 6000CL30 when I went to AM5. Latency over speed but save your money if you're just gaming.

@wolfwilkopter2231

3 ай бұрын

It makes a difference in gaming, it just depends on the type of game you play and how much or how hard the RAM usage and the communication back to the CPU/GPU is, especially in the lows, but also in general, even with X3D CPUs, just not as much as with the normal ones. Your descision to go with 6000CL30 was wise as this is the exact sweetspot for AM5 right now, as was DDR4 3600 CL16 or faster for AM4 and Ryzen 3000for example.

@Greez1337

2 ай бұрын

Did you validate it was stable? Errors can cause performance degradation.

@pawelnzxt5485

2 ай бұрын

yeaa, unsubscribe for spreading misinformation

I needed the questioned answered so badly

Great video and greetings from Canada. As someone who hasn’t built a computer in long time I have a question for you so I’m not wasting money trying to upgrade an old computer. I only do flight simulation on my old computer (ASUS Prime B350, GTX 1080, Ryzen 7 1300, 32 GB DDR 4 3000 C16, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Corsair 750w power supply, triple 20 inch 1024 monitors). This computer runs FSX maxed out no problem, but I would like to play MSFS 2020 and this computer barely meets the minimum requirements, it will run, but I would like to run at much higher settings. I was thinking Ryzen 7 5700 and RTX 4070 ti or 4070 super, but is this overkill for the current motherboard. Should I be thinking new motherboard, CPU, GPU and better DDR4? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I was also thinking of switching out the triple display setup for a 32 inch 1440p monitor I already own.

Sorry Jay, but you are wrong, or incomplete at best. You are clearly making some assumptions here. You are aware that not everyone plays FPS games, right? It is anecdotal, but I remember a thread in the ONI (Oxygen not Included) reddit where it was clear that ONI processes its cycles (in-game days) much faster with faster RAM. This is because that is a super memory-heavy process. Early game, no one notices. By the time you are at cycle 1000 and the game needs to process the results of multiple planetoids, the faster RAM will make a difference. As this happens every few minutes, shaving 3-4 seconds off a 20 seconds process makes a huge difference. Having nearly 4000 hours in this game, faster RAM has surely saved me a few hours. :) There are other things factoring in, but here fast RAM makes a difference. Good that you checked this, but you need to consider the use case.

Jay please re do tho video showing 1% lows and ,0.1% lows, this video is not accurate, what about the timings? Jay please do better next time maybe more actual gaming benchmarks show more evidence in your findings

With DDR4, ryzen's infinity fabric was tied to ram speed, so getting ram fast enough for the IO subsystem to be happy was important. This was in large part because jdec for ddr4 was 2133 or 2400, and saw significant performance increases up to about 3000. It saw measurable uplift from 3000 to 3600, but nearly nothing beyond 3600. DDR5 jdec is already so fast you're well onto the tail end of that speed curve. You _might_ need a faster kit if you want to hit jdec speeds on a x4 or x8 ram configuration because you _need_ lots of ram, and want it fast (my ddr4 setup is nominally good to 3800 for 2 sticks, which lets me run 4 sticks at 3600), but that's about the only use case for it.

it is very interesting the tests, but it is also worth noting that the motherboards, OS, applications and games are not really ready for these speeds, because with 8600 I have seen improvements depending on which game is running.

Dude used a GPU benchmark to prove his statement about ram... no a single real life scenario, showed 4 games from which all 4 are absolutely irrelevant..

this is such bad information. Ram matters in many games. At 1440p with a 4090/14900k you'll see 20%+ 0.1% lows improvements in many games. No way is jdec faster in any test, unless you're unstable on your faster kits. Did you validate your 7200mhz using kahru/y-cruncher? If the ram is unstable then the conclusion for your video is completely false. It should be something closer to "avoid fast ram if you want plug and play".

@__-fi6xg

2 ай бұрын

100% this, his faster kit was unstable, probably also the reason that he doesnt show 1%.

I got 15% increase in lows going from 6400 with tight timings to 7200 tight. And many people using stock 5600-6000mhz xmp profiles lol. It is 10-15% average fps and 30-40% in lows difference between 6000 stock and 7200 tight

Would love to see a speed vs. timing comparison at DDR4. AM4 seems very memory sensitive. Lots of people are probably consider upgrading AM4 platforms (or older Intel) from 8 or even 16GB for a bit more life. I need to re-build a home server soon and will probably go AM4 with it again just based on performance to value.

just like that all the credibility Jay ever had as a tech Tuber is now gone. No 1% lows. no 0.1% lows. (1%+0.1% is the REAL frame-rate of your game, Average FPS is literally meaningless, all gamers knows this which is why they ignore this metric). Oh the best part? he standard benchmarks in SINGLE PLAYER GAMES. He did no runs in any online Multi-player games or E-sports games which are the only games THAT ACTUALLY MATTER. He also uses basic XMP profiles instead of putting in the hours/days of work to due custom voltages and timings for a real overclock and then 24-hour stress test the machine for errors to show us the REAL performance gain from tuning/overclocking which is anywhere from 20-40% or even above 50% in performance boosts depending on the game and server/map your playing on in the 1%/01% lows where it actually matters for competitive E-sports and general premium high refresh rate gaming experience.

this is another video why im not subscribed anymore

@Yee20237

Ай бұрын

Why

Good info. Question: What about timings? Is a slightly better timing at same clock a notable performance improvement?

Would love to see a video on ryzen X3D vs Non X3D. Also timings vs speed. Also testing 2 sticks vs 4 sticks on am5

Please delete this video, it's so full of misinformation. The difference between a stable 7200 MHz and 4800 MHz is like 25% performance.

A DDR4 vs DDR5 comparison would give me a good idea of the value I would get out of upgrading from AM4 to AM5 - from a RAM perspective. I expect the test would be done on an Intel system that supports both otherwise the CPU upgrade would also skew the results. However, seeing a full AM4 vs AM5 comparison using the same GPU would be helpful to me as well. (RTX 4080S owner)

I remember needing to read reviews for MOTHERBOARDS in order to get the best overclockable motherboard available. in the mid 2000s it was a big deal trying to get the most performance

1k dislikes hmmm I think people figuring out what is going on here. Lame Jay really lame

@SleepyFawn

19 күн бұрын

Huh? What happened?

Unsubscribed. Misinformation.

My issue with gaming benchmarks is that you could consider them synthetic as well. What I mean by that is usually the machine under test is only running the game, and very little else. When I game, I have discord running, a web browser open, sometimes I play music from the PC and run other apps in the background. It would be interesting to have a workload that has multiple processes running during the benchmark. Then you could look at testing with 8, 16 and 32G and compare whether having more memory is better than having fast memory. So, is a 4800 32G PC equal to or slower than a 7200, 16G PC? I've never thought that RAM had a huge impact on games, as long as you have enough.

Thanks Jay

disappointing video. I'll probably refrain from watching you in the future for any benchmarks because there are so many things wrong with this video that lose you your credibility

2:08 - "The capacity of RAM should have no impact on your gaming whatsoever, unless your graphics card's RAM is so low, in terms of GDDR RAM available to the graphics chip, that it's doing swap, all the time, with the system RAM." Pardon me. I'm not a computer expert at all. However, I HAVE been a computer gamer for over 35 years. That statement is TOTAL BS. As a current example, the game "Star Citizen" (SC) is currently in "open alpha" (open to players, while being developed). They recommend a minimum of 16 gigs of RAM to run the game, however we players know that 32 gigs is a lot better, as it makes the game run much more smoothly. HOWEVER, I specifically put in 64 gigs into my latest machine, because the difference is NOTICEABLE, even though the game never uses all the RAM on 32 gig systems. It can get VERY VERY close, sometimes, however. Now, SC is not optimized, at this point. However, optimization will only LESSEN the difference. It will never eliminate it. There will ALWAYS be a difference. 7:24 - A "my raid" of things??? WTaF? The word is "myriad" (MEER-ee-ad). Please don't try to use words you don't know. +facepalm+

@KonglomeratYT

2 ай бұрын

You clearly watched further than 2 minutes, and yet completely ignored him specifying that, if your RAM is low enough to affect your games, then your whole system will likely feel sluggish on modern OS' as a result, and you'd notice it well before getting into a game. You've been a gamer for 35+ years and never grew out of the "rage at every little thing" 12 year old on the internet phase? Dude, trolls must love you lol.

@JayzTwoCents you really need to test 1% lows and .01% lows in games in all resolutions from 1080p to 4k. i think you will be amazed at the difference in smoothness of gameplay..

I would love to see the ddr4 run. that would be very intersting, especially for those of us who built a pc 3 years ago and might see an uplift from faster spd ram

Why didn't you include the 1% & 0.1% lows? Huge L take Jay. that's not how you test the influence of RAM Speeds on Gaming Performance. you're literally missing the most impactful test results.

@nextjin

3 ай бұрын

It’s just a 10 min effort content drop 😂. Testing those takes way more time than just running a few averages and rambling off at a camera.

Worst KZreadr up there with Linus... this is just a rich TV channel showing off hardware. Take this dislike. Frame chasers is a better channel

Yes please on the ddr4 tests!

Jay/ I have a good question. Is it worth it to upgrade to DDR5 from DDR4? Don't know if you have done a video about that yet or not. But I think that would be a good topic for another video if you haven't. Or expand on the one you already did.

@RadioactiveBlueberry

2 ай бұрын

Such video exists, "Should you upgrade to DDR5?", found it simply by putting "jay ddr4 vs ddr5" on search. Whether it's worth the switch, depends on what you would need DDR5 for, and whether your budget also allows a new motherboard and CPU to go with it. What's new about DDR5 has not changed since the release of that video.

Would love to see the DD4 comparison!

Yes, pls to a ddr4 vs ddr5 comparison! Thank you!

This is a super useful video, advice the community can use to keep dollars in their pocket.

@JayzTwo Cents - I'm curious to know if you could use Radeon RAM Disk and create some 16 Gb Ram disks and then do some benchmarks. What, if anything, will you gain performance wise?

Came here through the avoid on buying for pc video glad to see the ram video got made

Would be interesting to see the team group ram tested at 6400 and base clocks to see the difference with the speeds and the same timings.

Love these types of videos! I always budget for max performance per dollar and this analysis made it easy for me. Thanks!

DDR4 comparison in combination with the 4080super would be great! Thanks in advance!

I love the channel and hope you are feeling better. I have a 7800 x3d but I run it motherboard default. I been told that some of the software that works with the chip might cause chip failure. I am having trouble finding info on what software if any I shouldn't turn on. I know my cpu isnt giving me all it could but i dont wana burn it to death.

Please do another video with DDR4! I am so curious to see the results especially with the 4090

A ddr4 would be a great comparison. Nice video.

This was great. Since the overall trend was ram speeds don't matter very much when you are GPU bound it would have been nice to see this same test with a slower GPU. I did the math and less that 3% of people in the Steam survey have a GPU close to the class of the 4080 Super. What would this look like with more of a mid class GPU (3060 is most common in the steam survey). I would like to see a version of this for the person whos GPU is good enough for now but their CPU/MOBO/RAM is old and need to be replaced. Can spending a little more on the RAM improve performance and if so it the speed or the CL more important?

I would like to see DDR4 actually, since I'm waiting a while (probably another few years at this rate) before upgrading or rather replacing the whole system to newer generation stuff.

I was using Corsair dominator 6200 and went to Corsair dominator titanium 8000 and I’ve seen a small gain in fps in gaming and my pc is noticeably faster at loading windows or whatever program I load.

Normally, I install RAM at the rated speed of the memory controller on the CPU. On the other-hand, installing faster RAM primarily benefits those that are either running onboard graphics (like those of the G series Ryzen CPUs or Intel’s UHD/Iris enabled CPUs) or for those committed to overclocking.

Here's a bunch of barcharts that are identical, lmao you convinced me man thank you.

I would definitely appreciate a DDR4 video. Chances are, my next ground up PC build will be DDR6.

I got a great deal on my x590 board bc it was returned. It had the DDR4 manual and I bet they figured it was wrong, but it wasn't it was indeed the DDR5 version. I have 2x16 of 4800. I went from a 10400f to a 12400f but stayed with the 3060 12GB and I get pretty noticable gains in many games, and am glad I made the jump.

Well... I feel great about my Corsair DDR5 5600 32GB kit I bought 2~yrs ago when I built my 12700K / Z690 pc. Video card is a 3070FE because video card prices were very messed up at the time and got the FE @ BB for MSRP which was much cheaper than other options at the time.

loved the opening dad jokes. thank you jay

thanks for your awareness

I'd be interested in throwing in a couple MMOs and later stages of a 4X game and how AMD with and without 3d cache perform as well

Please do the DDR4 test, with a low CL. I had a nice set of team group, 3600MHz, CL 14...

As someone still on AM4, I would definitely love to see what RAM speeds do to my kind of system. I have 3600MHZ CL16 32GB right now. Looking at current prices, I know I over paid but I wanted the Corsair Dom Plats. I'm just curious about how the speed and latency impacts DDR4 in modern times.

I wanted to ask for a long time if in those tests it was possible to include some MMORPG because they tend to use more CPU power and so maybe RAM. They load a lot from the drive (GPU's are rarely use more than 70% on Lost Ark for exemple or 40% on SWTOR even if you tune up or down graphics quality). Could be interesting on this type of scenario. Thanks a lot and have a nice day from France ;)

Yes, please compare high speed DDR4. Great video.

Outside of the topic, I like the format\production of this video. Jay on the right with a screen on the left that gets zoomed in on and seeing the cursor while making points. Has he done a video this way before? I'm a long time subscriber and can't remember vids being done this way.

How about teaching us how to overclock and take us through each menu option on the bios.

Back in Core2Duo times i got amazing 2fps more on some games when i overclocked Kingston VALUERAM 667mhz >> 912MHz DDR2. I learned my lesson back then already.

@snigelskit

2 ай бұрын

Just goes to show what diffrent experiences ppl have. For me core 2 days where the best that thing was a legit joy to overclock and it would often hit speeds of 3,6ghz on air with a lucky sample. also beeing a broke youngling squeezing out 30-40+ fps in CS 1,6 well it was like winning the lottery. Suspect that value ram was infact a shoot yourself in the footram :D

I'd be interested to see not only DDR4, but also AMD G-series iGPU comparisons. ANd specifically, additional data that shows power consumption between using a dGPU and the iGPU. The reason is for home servers that can use stuff like Proxmox to have multiple functions. A file server, a media center, a VM for video editing from any computer capable of using VNC clients (i.e. all of them), a built-in 10G router setup, and so much more. I'm still on AM4 and won't be upgrading for at least 5+ years. I have a 5700G, and the iGPU can actually make use of faster RAM better than the CPU. This gives a unique advantage for the G variants, despite the slower PCIe bus limitations. I'll be moving it to use in a home server setup within the next couple years, replacing the desktop CPU with a 5700X3D. This home server setup will allow for video transcoding and some other GPU-based activities without needing a dGPU, saving power in the long run. For 24/7 uptime systems, it can have a noticeable impact. Of course, the faster RAM doesn't have that much of an impact, but when the pricing for G.Skill and Teamgroup are their current Amazon prices, it's actually worth it: - G.Skill Ripjaw V 4000MHz 2x16GB CL18: $70 - G.Skill Ripjaw V 3600MHz 2x16GB CL18: $67 - G.SKill Ripjaw V 3600MHz 2x16GB CL16: $80 - Teamgroup T-Force Vulcan Z 2x16GB 3600MHz CL18 (Black): $60 Basically, for $3-10 more than 3600MHz CL18 RAM, I can get 4000MHz RAM with the same timings that, I can downclock to have the faster timings from RAM that's even more expensive at 3600MHz. I save money simply by going for the faster RAM, even if my 5700G is one of the few that aren't stable at a 2000MHz FCLK. (My APU actually can, so I can make use of the full speeds regardless.) All in all, it really depends on the use case, and the tighter timings have some noticeable impacts, however slight. If the price is right, it can still be worth it to get the faster RAM. It's just a very complicated set of conditions to figure out which one is right for you.