Former EK (US team) employee here 🙋🏻‍♂️ Unfortunately, the CEO, COO & Office Manager knew things and the rest of us staff were kept in the dark about a lot. Being locked out of the building and fired on the spot when days before, we were told that we had nothing to worry about. It stunk but I hope the entire staff and everyone else who got got, can still get what they’re owed.

@MrExdous69

21 күн бұрын

Wait so they locked you all out of the buildings and haven’t paid you?

@w2cfx

21 күн бұрын

So sorry you had to deal with this, definitely get legal advice about the whole thing dude

@justinbridges4718

21 күн бұрын

That so sad and incredibly gut wrenching. I really hope things get settled

@MasterWaveXL7

21 күн бұрын

Is there any legal action you could take or could they just lead people on like this? This is fucked

@sirmonkey1985

21 күн бұрын

that sucks to deal with. hopefully everything works out for ya'll.

Former EK (US) employee Thank you Jay for being an extended voice for me and the others from the Texas office who were let go. It’s unfortunate that you and others had to suffer from EK as well. I just wish things were different

@Shiftttyyy

21 күн бұрын

BOOST

@saucebosspl

21 күн бұрын

To the top!

@farrez_gump

20 күн бұрын

Sorry to hear that, hope your talents* gets picked up quickly. Good luck sorry for the headaches you have to endure.

@hydroponicgard

19 күн бұрын

I hope you have a better future from this day onward, poor souls that were tortured at EK US... I'm really sorry for you guys :\

@jeo228

19 күн бұрын

This is all on the management. Hope you and the rest of the team land on your feet.

I know a guy that works as a back-end manger at a Micro Center, and they've been having issues with their incoming shipments from EK for at least the 2 years he's worked there. Namely the parts they get are sometimes significantly different than what the invoice says, usually when it comes to the radiators. The store also has a open demo EK cooling display that they have been waiting to get updated, but EK still hasn't sent parts to them for many years (right now it's still using RTX 20 series components).

i was waiting for your statement on how payments should be made. You nailed it exactly - employees first, vendors second to keep the company producing and then everyone else. And no executive responsible for this debacle should be making a penny. Huge respect to you for your transparency. Your logic is exactly why I have always followed your channel. Nice work Jay.

@xVuuM3

Күн бұрын

Gamer’s Nexus nailed it as well, oh, as I’m writing this Jay just plugged him lol.

Now we know why Jay has been branching out into other companies watercooling parts over the last few years

@davidnonya7359

21 күн бұрын

branching out? he ha sbene recomending there shit!? now i hear it is a horror story?

@jedenzet

21 күн бұрын

@@davidnonya7359 where shit?

@ScytheNoire

21 күн бұрын

Ya, wasn't he just showing off their weird new distro block and fitting the other day?

@myke1380

21 күн бұрын

@@ScytheNoire i believe GN asked jay to look at it.

@yarost12

21 күн бұрын

​@@ScytheNoirebranching out doesn't mean abandoning the roots

The fact EKWB is compared to Artesian Builds is just all you need to know just the starting of how bad this is

@Cyberdeamon

21 күн бұрын

Most of the workers that were left stranded by Artisan are now working for Starforge.

@billyhatcher643

21 күн бұрын

I got me a ek waterblock and have nothing wrong with it

@HowNowBrownCow69

21 күн бұрын

@@billyhatcher643 wow I guess ek is fine then. Nothing to worry about here.

@blueblade455

21 күн бұрын

Never wanted or needed their products so I could care less about all this.

@ssanc6

21 күн бұрын

The other half of Artisan workers went and started Phoenix PC @@Cyberdeamon

I work at a company in Europe which had similar cash flow problems at the beginning of Last year. We invested heavily into much needed tools for expanding the company but our government knocked on the door, asking we repay money granted during the Covid pandemic to keep companies afloat. We delayed payments to our suppliers and we came out on top after a really tough beginning of the year. I agree this situation can be repaired, and I hope for everyone involved it will be. It sucks for employees, it sucks for suppliers, both materials and marketing and above all it sucks for consumers if the company goes under.

@kittz0r

18 күн бұрын

"Government" you meant to say the society that gets robbed, right?

@pr0xZen

17 күн бұрын

I get the gist, but honestly I think this probably and legitimately sucks more for those strung along and owed money, than those who "just" might have to find somewhere else to _spend_ theirs. EKWB has a great track record for very solid products. But if they can't recover, it's not as big a loss to consumers as it would have beem 5-10 years ago. There are several well established competitors in the market now that at minimum _meet_ EKs product quality, and are plenty capable of picking up the industrial business if that market wants it. I got lots of love for EKs products and so many great folks that habe come and gone or are still there. And while I hope _the company_ can recover and restore, I don't stay beholden to commercial entities.

@TheFlighteur

17 күн бұрын

@@pr0xZen You are totally right. I thought about the warranty aspect for consumers not the spending part but I didn't make it clear in my comment.

@empireOfLove2

15 күн бұрын

There's a difference between running into a tight spot, telling all your suppliers "hey, cashflow is an issue, can you take a rain check for a few months" vs what EK has been doing, which is complete *radio silence* and then only paying up when they get harassed publicly about it. That's not a company trying to survive, that's a company that either has nothing left at all, or is extracting and hiding all the money before abandoning ship to leave everyone else holding the bag.

@pr0xZen

14 күн бұрын

@@TheFlighteur That's certainly a fair point.

I've been finding myself coming to this channel more often. I don't know too much about it but Jay and the dynamic he has with his team in other videos are just really chill and down to earth.

@jimbo_dilly1675

15 күн бұрын

But Jay lies so have fun listening to a down to earth channel that doesn't respect honesty. Jay was introduced to a bunch of shady stuff EKWB was doing a couple years ago by another small youtube channel, NoNonsensePC (the channel no longer exists BTW). I guess it didn't survive the pandemic. Jay just write the guy off when he asked Jay to help out with getting EKWB to be honest and refund customers on an ARGB controller they released called the Loop Connect which had a crap ton of software problems they refused to fix.

@Robbie-mw5uu

14 күн бұрын

I like this channel because Jay is an old school PC guy who understands a computer is just a machine for serving a purpose. Most tech channels just use pcs as a fashion statement and as a result completely ignore the amazing specifications a component may have because it lacked rgb.

@sondernfy

12 күн бұрын

@@Robbie-mw5uu Jay is old-school but I think he values his PCs also as 'artworks', where he will build a beautiful looking PC that also functions extremely well as his computer, e.g. Skunkworks

When Jay is actual pissed because curse words are'nt stuffed out.

@jaybor1683

21 күн бұрын

GN Steve did the same in his video on it now that you mention that.

@jsncrso

21 күн бұрын

KZread allows profanity in videos, but the video gets demonetized (no KZread ads)

@FINNIUSORION

21 күн бұрын

its not censored because its not monetized.

@notgonnahappen7899

21 күн бұрын

Just means they aren't monetizing the video so they don't have to worry about curse words messing up the algorithm.

@RyanS8251

21 күн бұрын

@jsncrso No, you can swear in videos and still get monetized. It just cannot be within the first 30 seconds, or you can't have multiple swear words in succession. Those will get a video flagged.

Wow, an unedited f bomb! Jay mad!

@SilverKnight16

21 күн бұрын

There was like three of them. Jay definitely mad.

@outlet6989

21 күн бұрын

Don't forget the "S" bomb.

@asuche03x

21 күн бұрын

Definitely made my head snap back to YT. I don't think I've ever heard him drop an f-bomb.

@regwatson2017

21 күн бұрын

Jay only mad after GN leads the way and now he feels braver.

@wrothy7692

21 күн бұрын

@@regwatson2017 Did you miss the bit where Jay said he was always intending to release the video but was going to wait until the end of the month, but brought it forward because Steve's video made it apparent to him that the problem was more widespread?

Wow there is so much behind the scenes on how this channel runs as well as sponsored content. First, so cool to learn how it works! Second, this forum felt so personal and like a conversation. Loved this format and I do NOT blame you at all for terminating the relationship that has caused so much stress and confusion.

This is one of the reasons I have been a subscriber for years! I dont water coll my PC's, but your content has always felt fresh and in good taste. Videos like this reflect your business stances and give me, your consumer even more respect in you.

That was an honorable thing to say, telling EK to pay its employees before they pay you, Jay.

@GlycerinZ

19 күн бұрын

that's just the kinda guy Jay is

@brandonhoffman4712

19 күн бұрын

Hes also staying the hell out of the legal department.

As a previously sponsored Case Modder from EK, I knew this was coming. I never expected this bullshit to happen to someone so much higher up the food chain from me. And You know the video is gonna be good when nothing is censored, and so clearly demonetized!

It's really sad to hear all this about EK. It was one of your more recent videos that made me aware of their low-profile rotary adapters that helped me complete my own build. Thanks for all you do, Jay.

@MDxGano

20 күн бұрын

Serious question; how much did you spend on your cooling solution, what is your cpu/gpu, and how do you feel about the build moving forward in terms of upgradability of parts (cpu/gpu) and not always being able to bring those blocks forward? What extra frequency were you able to squeeze out and how far ahead of something like a trusty NHD-14 from noctua do you think you are ($90USD on sale). I ask these questions as someone who can appreciate the work and money spent on a beautiful custom cooled build, but has trouble justifying spending a minimum of 4x more for a cooling solution that then requires bi-annual maintenance of 2-4 hours to drain loops and clean blocks and parts that can't be carried forward in 3-5 years when you feel the need to upgrade.

@TheAmazingCowpig

19 күн бұрын

@@MDxGano Oh, my build is nothing like the usual idea of water cooling builds. Mine is much more form-over-function, because it's actually an SFF build, and I needed the parts to create what is essentially a compact custom AIO cooler for the CPU (13600K). The block is an Alphacool Eisbaer Aurora LT, which is basically an AIO block sold separately and compatible with water cooling fittings. The entire point of the water cooling was to actually get the CPU to stop thermal throttling in the case and also be more tolerable in noise profile, which it successfully does now. Total cost is $200-300, but it's definitely worth it to me. If I were to do a custom loop for a standard desktop PC, I think it would still be worth it for a hot CPU, to get good continuous multi-core performance out of it at tolerable noise levels. I don't care much for hard-tube aesthetics though. Also for air coolers, the NH-D14 is terrible value next to a $35-40 Thermalright Phantom Spirit.

Man....as a Gen 0 Slovenian that moved to the US, my heart skipped a beat when I heard you mention my country (I didn't know EKG was from there....) and that it's being such a shitshow. I'm honestly ashamed and borderline in tears to hear this info.

@Casmael01

18 күн бұрын

Man, companies are corrupt and fucked up everywhere you look. I live in London, and just recently the only water supplier here has announced they will raise prices 40% or go bankrupt. Highly embarrassing…. For them lol. No reflection on ordinary Londoners, except obviously it sucks that we will all end up screwed one way or another lol. Peace dude x

@f.e.dzerzhinsky

18 күн бұрын

I've always liked EK in part because it's cool to see a small Central/East European company become a global brand. I really hope they pull through! And hey, you can't control what you have no control over. 🇷🇺🤝🇸🇮

@TheSorrowedMan

15 күн бұрын

'tis the slovenian way.

@ClassicDura

15 күн бұрын

@@TheSorrowedMan no we can do better than this

@honeybadger6275

14 күн бұрын

@@ClassicDura Thousand years of history says otherwise.

A company with no integrity is not company worth working with.

@newjerseydamo

21 күн бұрын

Or for.

@fuzzylumpkins6034

21 күн бұрын

Truer words never written , yet Apple, Microsoft and Nvidia are billion dollar companies.

@Alphahydro

20 күн бұрын

I felt the same about a leading cable and internet provider I previously worked for

@samishiikihaku

20 күн бұрын

Or for. Or buying From. Not to mention the "stink". If it has a bigger brand in the server side, this may affect that too. EASILY

@fuzzylumpkins6034

20 күн бұрын

@@samishiikihaku this is just bravado. Not 1 single big tech Corp has integrity and there are millions of people working for and buying from them. And all of the business practices are shady. Nvidia has every component made in a country where there are no pollution regulations or laws against child labour and that country gets all of its resources from a 3rd world country, again, with no regulations on pollution or child labour. There is no integrity in any tech company. They all pay pennies for products, are backed by billion dollar government schemes and in the game of 2 of these giants, market very well to the sheep that over pay for every single component. Integrity does not make companies money. Lies and marketing do

8:35 Totally looking forward to a video of you and Steve meeting up to discuss ethics and content creation👏 You definitely came to mind while I was watching Steve's EK video yesterday. So very glad you made a response video too about your own EK experience to coincide with it. Very unfortunate to hear about EK's workplace shenanigans 😖

@regwatson2017

21 күн бұрын

Why would Steve prop him up ? Where was Jayz speaking out before GN went public ?

@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt

21 күн бұрын

Would like to hear from traditional media on this too!

@Caderynwolf

21 күн бұрын

@@regwatson2017 It's all in the video if you care to watch it.

@s13shaka

20 күн бұрын

Nobody cares

Yikes. It's very sad. Thanks for sharing your experience, Jay. I hope they get their act together.

Jay way to keep your composure! Thanks for giving your viewers the heads up hope things start going your way soon.

Here is the video we all wondered about yesterday

@kingcrackedhen3572

21 күн бұрын

Got ther just before me

@danr.1299

21 күн бұрын

I was watching GN video yesterday thinking "Oh shit I wonder what Jay is going to have to add to this". I wasn't sure if he wanted to drag himself into all of this.

@nuclearchef-san8304

21 күн бұрын

Jay,I was wondering what your thoughts were on Ek, especially after Gamer-Nexus video on them I know that you luv water cooling, and have reviewed many Ek products/and -or been sponsored by them, well what now! And Roman Debuer too!

@sargonnas7751

21 күн бұрын

This

@The1commenterguy

21 күн бұрын

I'm glad Jay speaking his side but doesn't rub the right way it always takes gamers nexus to speak up before everyone else like to every other creator if you got something to say then say it why you waiting til someone else to open the door of "exposing."

You know, I see this video as a very important "supplement" to Steve's video. As much as it sucks to have a company doing things like this, it's good to hear corroborating evidence from someone directly affected by shady business practices. Thank you Jay. Your work is appreciated.

@xxTHExxABYSSxx

18 күн бұрын

People need to respect the whole Gamers Nexus team. It's not just "Steve's video" there is a whole team there.

Yoooooo crazy I was adding stuff to a cart earlier this week for their stuff. Glad to know!!

Wonderful video. Too bad this happened to you and others that have been working with EKWB. I Hope you get this unpleasant situation taken care of in a timely manner - which doesn't see it will. I have been a very long time follower of your channel. Please don't let this make you too down. Take care and Blessings for everyone at your place.

They be selling $800 water blocks of course they were gonna struggle to move inventory. Real niche of all niche markets. That's before the rest of this deplorable behavior

@zackzeed

21 күн бұрын

Agreed. I've personally wanted to buy water cooling parts myself but rarely had the the money for it. I do understand that manufacturing isn't cheap, but EK expensive? Idk.

@levigoldson

21 күн бұрын

They aren't even good quality. EK machining is horrible and defect filled. Every part I've ever gotten from them was flawed in some way. Often minor ways, but sometimes complete failures. Don't get me started on their shitty coolant that gunks.

@jamegumb7298

21 күн бұрын

Too niche probably. They need MOQ for some parts like RX GPU waterblocks. They then need to charge a minimum for each of those since having the inventory sit costs money. If I were EK I'd get rid of the too niche products. Buy bigger for the better movers, lower cost there. Assuming this is at all possible of course, I do not work for them.

@Rcmiller

21 күн бұрын

I loved EK parts , but the last 3-5 years the stuff just got expensive to buy. I make good money to afford it , but when a cpu block like the newest one is almost $300. That would eventually it them when people stop buying.

@a.x.w

21 күн бұрын

Yeah, they don't even manufacture in house. All they have (had) is the brand image and warehouses full of overpriced products that sell in single digit quantities.

It sucked working at NA EKCS. Manager was really sus. Outsourced building custom fun builds, to very close friends from outside the company. We really had no creative freedom. We were just a couple of bros trying to meet quotas each week while knowing that the higher ups don’t have your back. We had so many chances to work with cool people, but it takes the approval from ALL the way from Slovenia to be even approved. This much is just the iceberg.

@jadedmoon

21 күн бұрын

Tip of the iceberg whoops😅

@Shiftttyyy

21 күн бұрын

BOOST

@mycosys

20 күн бұрын

It sounds like you had some really skilled people to do as well as you did in impossible conditions. Maybe time for HydroPhoenix builds?

@interceptor001

19 күн бұрын

So you think this was a reason why the Slovenian branch thought of the US as incompetent?

@sv0g391

14 күн бұрын

It seems like the Slovenians were right all along from all that has been said 😅

amazing jay, very well said. Thank you for being this awesome honest content creator we can watch with confidence

Excellent video. Thank you for going on record with this. It is important to get this bad behavior out in the open. You're right that the employees need to be paid first.

The people are amazing, the leadership is shit. Unfortunate reality in many, many modern companies... especially the big ones.

@tek_soup

21 күн бұрын

and leadership gets all the money.

@Grandwigg

21 күн бұрын

Yep. There seems to be a critical point where companies get too big to be reliable. For many one sign is when something happens and the blame/responsibility can be spread around enough that they're no bite to any recompense/penalties. Distributed Liability, I call it. The point the leadership can get away with anything, and begin to take advantage of the customers, employees and so on, often to an egregious degree.

@binks_jim

21 күн бұрын

I saw this first hand. Big companies will ruin anything they can. For me it's only a matter of time.

@natel7382

21 күн бұрын

Very rarely company growth and good consumer relations go hand and hand. Especially company's that go public. Once a company goes public their shareholders are everything. Consumers can't fire board members.

@turambar304

21 күн бұрын

All the time all over. It's a horrible trend.

I posted on GN that I hope you (JayzTwoCents) tells them to fuck off. This is precisely why I will never unsub from your channel and have been watching for years. Thank you for sharing your personal situation and your thoughts on the matter, it's appreciated. Stay well and look forward to the next video.

@awilliams1701

20 күн бұрын

I was hoping for this video as well. I was surprised that he was already disgruntled.

Looking forward to your chat with Steve!

My computer was down for a couple of days because of swapping everything to a new case, but had seen GN's video. I knew this video was coming knowing that Jay, through his passion for custom watercooling, had a business relationship with EK. For that reason I knew it would be a more "heartfelt" approach on the subject as opposed to GN's "calling the business out and throwing them under the bus" approach. There's nothing wrong with that approach, especially in a case where a company is literally screwing everyone over. It's just good to hear the experience side to go with investigative facts. It's sad that good people get caught up in things like this. Good video, Jay. Thanks.

[Posted this to GN video aswell - i bet theres more like this] Well this ties in nice with my experience of these. Ordered 2 very expensive kits from them for a new build, they took so long to come newer processors had been released and my brand new but unused computers sat collecting dust. When they did arrive one had clearly been on a NHL Rink before shipping and the other was run over by the Zamboni, they refused to accept shipping damage, i attempted to return them for a refund, they claimed to never have received them, despite signing to say they did actually have them After 8 months of aggravation i just called the bank, explained the situation and they refunded it all immediately, 2 days later i get the snottiest of emails from them complaining., When i suggested they had committed fraud in the first place they stopped communicating Will never ever ever use there shit again.

@chrys9256

21 күн бұрын

EK was definitely in the wrong, but you actually waited for months? Why didn't you at least get a cheap air cooler so you could use your PCs?

@Kingstoncollege7

21 күн бұрын

This is wild, sorry you had to go through that.

@AnIdiotAboard_

21 күн бұрын

​@@chrys9256 Because i spent close to £25,000 on 2 computers out of my bonus. I wanted what i wanted at the time, and i was willing to wait for them, to a point, and i couldnt put them on air even if i wanted, there install location and space limitations precluded it. Proverbial dream machines from my point of view, id worked bloody hard to get EXACTLY what i wanted.

@hassam363

21 күн бұрын

How did you know it was on a NHL rink?

@AnIdiotAboard_

21 күн бұрын

@@chrys9256 Because i spent £25,000 out of my first big bonus from work, id had an amazing year. I wanted what i wanted, they were proverbial dream machines, and i was willing to wait for EK. I didnt buy coolers either untill i involved the bank, i was willing to wait to get it sorted, cos i wanted what i wanted. I couldnt put them on air, there install location precludes air cooling full stop.

Absolutely enjoyed the *explicit* and uncensored, this is how Jay feels video. Such a breath of fresh air on the channel

Sorry to hear about all this. You always seems like a big fan.

Well stated. Thank you for your transparency Jay.

Like Louis Rossman would say, this too is unfortunate, and informative. Sad too see a company that makes beautiful products go down like this.

@alexdavis9324

21 күн бұрын

Goddamn that was a good series of events with Louis. That dude was insane (the guy made at him I can't remember his name)

@tdis8629

21 күн бұрын

​@@alexdavis9324One of the lead devs (now former) for GrapheneOS.

@DanielFrost79

21 күн бұрын

Totally agree. And that a company making expensive stuff like this, you think they would understand what happens when you treat people like sh!t. And now it just hit the fan, spreading everywhere. If this is actually true, they deserve what's coming...

@viewer2277

21 күн бұрын

Sadly my experience (I'm 70) is that in almost any company the management starts out convinced they are perfect and the employees and customers are stupid, whereas the employees and customers start out convinced that if they support the company that things will go smoothly. As you can guess my experience is that the opposite is true: management stupid, employees and customers smart and honest. It's like the movie "Airplane!" only it's not supposed to be a comedy.

@mycosys

20 күн бұрын

Many terrible people have made beautiful things - doesnt mean we should enable them....... where did i put my Hugo Boss jacket?

Love the PPCS shoutout. I have had nothing but great experiences ordering from them.

My Conscience is clear, I have always used XSPC and Primochill products. And why has Jay never used any XSPC products?

Make a video of the chat with Steve. Always good to have open reminders to both people viewing and other (especially aspiring) influencer-types about ethics of product reviewing, common sense and sponsorship deals.

Yikes. There's a bit of poetic irony here, just a couple days ago Adam Savage put out a video about the concept of "F*** you, pay me." I know both you and Steve have said that this is fixable, but to an extent I'm not sure if it should be saved. It would prove a lesson about how to screw up a company.

@mycosys

20 күн бұрын

I totally agree. At that end of the luxury good/design market people arent just looking for a product, they are looking for an image and person/group behind it. They have competition now, from people that seem to be actually cool people. I dont see how they stay a premium product form here.

@HellGatefr2

20 күн бұрын

@@mycosys Who is that competition ?

@stephensmith4758

19 күн бұрын

Literally watched that right before this!

@lasskinn474

18 күн бұрын

nobody knows how fixable it is. like how much it is that they owe and is it because they weren't doing money and if there is a venue to making money. spending on products like they make is down all across the globe.

@jorelplay8738

18 күн бұрын

For it to be fixed, a drastic attitude change is needed, which won't happen in cause people don't change overnight

It's a downwards spiral as soon as this kind of stuff gets out. Consumers think twice or just won't buy products if they think they're gonna have issues with supply or support, especially when you're spending a lot of money on it,and lets face it EKWB blocks look good but by god you pay through the nose.

@BType13X2

21 күн бұрын

I did my first custom watercooling loop in a decade a few weeks back and used an EK block / some EQ fittings. If this had dropped 4 weeks ago my build would not have any EK stuff in it.

@rogeramu

19 күн бұрын

EK used to make good, nice looking (in the discreet sense) water cooling products that was a little more expensive than most other brands. Now they have tons of flashy stuff that costs an arm and a leg. Definitely too many SKUs and maybe a lack of focus - what does EKWB want to be?

@stewart9540

19 күн бұрын

@@rogeramu couldn't agree more, I've 4 different FLT pump/res combos which are still good to use in various builds and a new 7950x block that is effective and very nice to look at ,(only Alphacool made a good looking block for my 3080) . I do think it's difficult for companies like EK, It would be difficult to even cover the last 2-3 generations of Nvidia cards alone., the outlay must be mind boggling, but there's no excuse for not paying staff unless you're going under.

I had the same experience. It took from June last year to February this year to get all my ordered parts! I was bound because I got the first products in Juni, and there are only 30 days free return. They splitted my order, so I got some parts and then again had to wait. I talked to their support, and they were surprisingly understanding of my situation and excused. I couldn't do anything and I really regret so much buying their products now...

very excited to see more heatkiller and arctik stuff on this channel. maybe also finding out which bykski blocks suck and which dont?

Makes sense why fewer and fewer youtubers started using EK and switched to Corsair or Thermaltake blocks.

@fs9553

20 күн бұрын

I will never buy stuff from Thermaltake. They literally steal designs for themselves. Most cases they sell are literal copies.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

19 күн бұрын

​@@fs9553That a fact??

@fs9553

17 күн бұрын

@@PSYCHOV3N0M Oh yeah. Caselabs, Fractal, NZXT, Corsair, Swiftech all got copied and put up a cheaper version on the market, not to mention quality wise a lot worse as well. I had a Thermaltake case once... flimsy piece of junk it was.

@TheMC1X

16 күн бұрын

​@@PSYCHOV3N0M Literally Jay blacklisted Thermaltake because they stole the designs from Caselabs, sued them and won, bankrupting them.

There are multiple reasons why I follow both yours and Steve’s channels… Thanks Jay, and your employees!

Been waiting for your comments/input on this after seeing Steve's post.

Jay, I'm sorry to hear what happened to your channel. I always enjoyed your content. Hopefully EK listened to your suggestions. Maybe Alphacool could be an sponsor in your future videos. I've enjoyed their products at the fraction of the price of EK.

Thanks for the transparency and sharing your POV on the whole thing 👍

I haven't seen Jay this mad since I've been following him. (about 4 years).

@BigDrewski1000

21 күн бұрын

Naw Asus made him pretty mad last year. Lol

@lanchester101

21 күн бұрын

Nah, this is like ASUS all over again

@robcason9827

21 күн бұрын

@@BigDrewski1000 Asus comes close but this is worse.

@BigDrewski1000

21 күн бұрын

@@robcason9827 True. Lol. I don't think he dropped an f bomb back then. 😂

@GOPACKERSJT

21 күн бұрын

Dude he bought some fluid that turned a nasty color after heat (can't remember which company) and nearly started WWIII back around 2014.

While I've been running Primochill and other brand cooling parts, I've had EK coolant and now, sadly, have to consider an EK block for my new TR system as there are so few full-coverage choices. While I do hope the product will be fine, all this fiasco doesn't give me confidence in EK's future until they themselves show change, respect to their employees, and everything else that Steve, Jay, and DerBauer touched on. Thanks for being as usual, totally candid Jay and explaining your situation. Can't believe they did this (contract stuff) for you, too.

It's insane even Jayz went through this, I've known EK because of you, like you said you're the watercooler guy for the community newbies. They're crazy

Outstanding video Jay and totally deserved. Watching EK videos on KZread for the past 3 years from their channel I think to myself how can they sell a product if 99% of the videos are zoomed in on the big ego guys and not the product they are selling. Watch the Valentine video so freaking confusing. If you want to sell your product show how to use it to the consumer.

Holy shit... Jay, sorry you've had to deal with this bullshit. I hope you somehow get what you are owed.

Teve's video is the first that I watched about this, didn't even realize that you we're caught up in this debacle too, I'm sorry for your loss.

you were one of THE persons (with my dad lol) who motivated/inspired me to put a custom water loop in my pc, i also use ek products.. thanks a lot tho! i really enjoy your content :)

í just aplied as CEO of EK! cant do any worse than they already do, and i am a decent person. Edit: i have not heard back expect a conformation email thanking me for me resume!

@ExiledStardust

21 күн бұрын

You're a decent person? Then they'll never hire you.

@GamesFromSpace

21 күн бұрын

I hope you have living expenses saved up for a while.

I watch the video yesterday from Gamers Nexus. Very informative and very unfortunate for all of the parties involved

Would love for the convo with you and Steve about sponsorships to be recorded. That would be a super interesting topic to hear your guys opinions on and how to handle it. Your panel at LTX was similar and it was really interesting.

Performance PC’s my first water cooled PC was built with parts from you years ago, before I followed Jay. You guys were great! Now, knowing how much support you’ve provided him, I will order all my parts from you guys moving forward. Taking care of the hobby and people is excellent, thank you.

Was waiting for this ty Jay

I'm sorry Jay you have to be dealing with that crap with your health issues hopefully EK gets there shit together and do what's right thanks for sharing

Thanks for this, Jay. I'm starting to design a water cooled pc with ek blocks. Think I'll be looking elsewhere, right after I get done with Steve's video

I just built my first water-cooled system and was going to go all ek but changed my mind after some research on performance, now I'm glad I went heatkiller and bitspower instead

I've been waiting for this video.

As a Dutch guy I just love this level of honesty. I can only applaud how your channel and GN are covering this (I watched GN's report before watching this), the level of clarity towards EK, and courage to make a stance about the topic as a whole (for it's not just EK, stuff like this has been ramping up for years in the industry). Hats off to you Jay.

@theovannieuwenhuizen5756

14 күн бұрын

Same here, came here because of the GN video. Really confused about what some managing people can get away with and still land a position in the board of directors of another company.

I got my new PC at the start of the year and was going to spend some of my Tax check on are EK water loop looks like I won't go with EK any more thanks for the heads up, Jay.❤

Thanks for linking to the mentioned video from Gamers Nexus in the description.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

19 күн бұрын

You make it sound like if it's hard to search for Gamers Nexus' channel and see the video at the top of the list. 😅

Once Performance PCs drops EK, it will be a death kneel.

@michaelcarson8375

21 күн бұрын

@dannymac9110 they have been having trouble selling EK goods for a while. I noticed they put EK stuff on clearance a lot the last few years.

@mycosys

20 күн бұрын

So the death kneel comes before death knell?

@MisterSiga

20 күн бұрын

@@mycosys ask that blm dude lmao

@mycosys

20 күн бұрын

@@MisterSiga look out, you might cut yourself with all that edge

@Mr_jz_12

20 күн бұрын

@@MisterSiga fun fact, he didn't die from being knelt on like that.

Eyy Red Mist, haven't thought of that build in ages. Not entirely sure, but I think that owner used to play WoW with me sometimes. If not, he had one of your other builds as he's an RL friend of yours. Always cool to remember old builds! :)

I gave up on EKWB after I bought several new fittings just for those fittings to get stuck to the point I had to use pilers to remove them. Sometimes the fittings would break, it was that bad. Switched to corsair fittings and no longer any problems.

I'm a casual watcher, but I have been watching more of your videos recently. Completely off topic, but that is one damn fine logo you have. I really dig the 80s inspired aesthetic, especially in a world where companies are "simplifying" their logos.

was waiting for Jay to put out a video on this.

crazy but great job standing your ground gl hf much luv

Interesting video thanks for explaining some of this stuff.

As somebody who has been water-cooling since the gtx 500 series days another issue with EK is their prices have gone up massively while the quality has slipped and not just in the random scratches QC fails but just the milling they do isn't up to the quality you can get for a fifth as much from other brands.

@BType13X2

21 күн бұрын

Gonna correct on thing with your statement EK doesn't machine any of their own stuff in house, they farm that out. Their failure is in not checking the quality they are receiving from their venders. I work for a large mining company we do not have the capacity at our facility to rebuild every project we get so I have a few trusted venders that I get machining support from. I send them checklists for each component, and they send them back to us, our QA then checks what they made, audits their machining checklists, hell we sometimes call them up and ask if we can drop in for a visit all our venders are doors open for us to do quick spot checks. EK needed to be doing the same thing, check fit and finish, stop in every now and then. or hell just get a few machining cabinets and have some of your own capacity.

When I bought EK's GPU block back in 2021 I had to contact their support to figure out where the hell are the screws to the backplate hidden in their ridiculous packaging. And a few weeks ago the block ruptured killing my PSU. Looks like the end is here for mine and EK's time together.

@AxR558

21 күн бұрын

I had one of their CPU blocks that corroded (using their coolant and pump + rad that was a kit), leaking all over the back of my GPU - obviously killing it. They took zero responsibility, said that it was clearly my fault for taking the block apart (which their CS requested I do to photograph the inside of the block). I moved back to air cooling from then on and haven't considered using liquid cooling again.

@demonfedor3748

21 күн бұрын

​@@AxR558Maybe my GPU block also corroded. I didn't take it apart to take a look. Used their EK Cryo fuel premix. I was considering doing something about it but now after Steve's and Jay's videos it feels futile.

@Youbruss1

21 күн бұрын

I built my custom loop in 2021 and my water blocks haven’t had any problems, bit of discoloration but that’s expected after 3yrs

@Vinetio

20 күн бұрын

I've been using their AIO since 2022. No issues so far but all of this news is making me start to sweat lol

08:30 And for that, Jay, we thank you, and will keep comin’ back for more!

Great Video Jay. On a side note, what watch are you wearing. Looks very nice and wouldn't mind looking into getting one. Cheers

@endiawilliams6529

13 күн бұрын

I was wondering the same thing. It looks a lot like an Apple Watch but I'm not sure if it is. Does anyone know what kind of phone Jay uses? He strikes me as an Android user even though I don't think I've ever heard him talking about it.

Never change your stance on sponsorships. Love how you handle it!

Probably why Corsair got into the water cooling biz.

Love your work jay

My last build was cooled by EK and im gonna be building a whole new pc in a year or so but im definitely going to have to see where EK is (if its even still around) before i use their products in the next one

Watercooling has just gotten far too expensive. It's no surprise most of their products are sitting on shelves.

@GOPACKERSJT

21 күн бұрын

This whole hobby has. Remember when a $1000 system was a good computer? Now GPU's cost $2500..... This hobby just isn't worth it anymore.

@fromaflafl2198

21 күн бұрын

that is "only" a EKWB. there are plenty of other manufacturers that have reasonable prices

@viet0ne

21 күн бұрын

Not expensive at all. I've done full Bykski/Barrow custom loops and they perform great. Two 360 rads, CPU Block, GPU Block, Pump, fittings, tubes for $350-400. Might not be as good, but they perform within 3-5C which means you'll never worry about thermal throttling. You don't need the best of the best water cooling to get the benefits of custom loops.

@OneTrueRat

21 күн бұрын

Thanks Nvidia ​@@GOPACKERSJT

@veedubfreak

21 күн бұрын

Nah there are plenty of good products out there that are reasonably priced. Alphacool still makes very reasonably priced blocks that aren't garbage. EK just thought they could be Apple and ride on their name while cutting every conceivable corner on their products while still charging nearly double the price of other manufacturers.

I was shocked to find out they don't do their own manufacturing. It seems like it would be such a niche, low volume product that I can't see how contract manufacturing (which is what GN suggested is the problem; minimum order quantities) is sustainable.

Sorry to see you in a bind Jay. It should not be like this. Fingers crossed for you guys getting paid what you are owed, but I suspect it won’t be easy. You say that it is not too late. I don’t know. I’ve bought a lot of things over the years from them, but I have a very hard time ever seeing myself buying anything, even if they turn it around. The mistrust is hard to overcome and personally I feel better just supporting a company with good intentions from the start. And any rate, I know I and thousands of others support you and your team and will continue to do so. Keep doing what you’re doing, because your content is top notch. 💪

as someone who lives next to Slovenia.. I have never heard of EK until I watched one of your vids few years back, NOT A SINGLE PC shop close to me is selling or recommending EK stuff... and I have been actively building PCs for others past 3-4 years and building my own PCs past 7-8 years

Really my nitpick lately with EK is the "Exact-mount" system. I've broken quite a few of them, sure I might've over torqued a LITTLE bit but the parts themselves should not be that brittle/weak for it to happen. Add in the fact you can't buy replacement parts for them and its dead weight. Shoutout though to Spartan Liquid Cooling in the US, miss them and the owner was AMAZING. I've got so much free EK gear from him cause he was one of the best people I've delt with.

@mycosys

20 күн бұрын

I can understand why you might have TTY bolts, or bolts that snap if you overtorque to stop breaking stuff, but to not have replacements for what is at that point a consumable is borderline criminal

Watching Steve‘s video, I was thinking about you, knowing how regularity you used EK stuff to build all kind of systems

Sorry to hear that Jay... Hopefully they'll pay up and compensate you for the trouble. Seems like we all have/had our fair share of issues with them.

This was a very well thought out and said video. I hope they listen to you.

I don't even watch this channel that much anymore, and after Steve's (GN) video my literal first thought was... "What's Jay's take on this." Considering I've seen a lot of EK products on here over the years.

I live in Slovenia. A lot of companies here engage in these kind of shenanigans and often they're never caught. It's a real problem. I have friends who have worked (not for this particular company) and never gotten paid, stuff like that. Working conditions were better in socialist times, but a lot of worker protections were lost during transition to capitalism.

@FNLNFNLN

21 күн бұрын

How DARE you imply that Soviet rule was better than capitalism FREEDOM in ANY way /s

@BillyLapTop

21 күн бұрын

Transitions always bring with themselves a new set of rules or the lack of rules, in order to maximize their control. It would appear the Slovenian government needs to begin to regulate industry.

@ohwell694

21 күн бұрын

@@FNLNFNLN ive no clue where this dude worked, but this culture and corruption in slovenia comes from yugoslavia. And most of these people still have commie nostalgia where they could get away with this no problem, theres a reason we broke away from yugoslavia

@ohwell694

21 күн бұрын

@@BillyLapTop our government is full of corrupt people, they could not care less about anyone except their own pockets. Companies owned by our country are just as bad.

@ttomkins4867

21 күн бұрын

If its normal to not get paid for months, do rent or utilities also expect long delays? what about food, and other basic necessities, is theft a big problem?

Beautiful video - totally agree

thats so weird, any time I've ordered from EK's website and had product shipped to me from Slovenia... it comes WAY faster that I expected it too, considering the distance it has to travel from Slovenia to Seattle. and DHL never messed up getting it to me.

remember when a year ago Jay talked about Asus? Pepperridge farms remembers

Raw Jay is best Jay

@danr.1299

21 күн бұрын

That's what she said

Full kudos on keeping quiet about this as long as you could. Been there with small businesses in the past but this is big $$$.

Feels wrong to "like" this (or Steve's) video, but i did. Ppl need to see this. I'm glad to hear you won't hurt too much under this situation. Take care.

That’s a bummer, last 3 builds have been all ek products 😬 yup performance pc saved my last build when ek was taking forever for a few things lol it all makes sense now haha