Look at Rex smiling throughout the video talking with George Banke. I think he's got a man crush! ;) Great review Rex! Thanks brother!!!

This is an EXCELLENT video my friends. I especially like the thoughts on our keeping up with the enemy!

Love the content. Thank you VERY much!

Guess I'll just have to keep saving the pennies. Great video T. Tell Mr. Banke that we appreciate him taking the time to share with us .

Another excellent interview. Imagine that !!

@jesse10x

6 жыл бұрын

action movies

Rex, Just wanted to tell you how much value i place on your videos. I'm new to shooting and even newer to long range shooting. After watching one of your videos, I was surprised to see George Banke. Ive known George off and on for 40 years,from bicycle racing , gokart racing , and now shooting. Thank you for opening the Banke door again for me. I shoot with George on a regular basis and I'm continuing to learn from him just I did with bicycle racing, gokart racing and now shooting. Thanks for all your videos and keep up the good work. John

@TiborasaurusRex

7 жыл бұрын

George is a rock star. I look forward to shooting with him again in the future. Always something to be learned from the man.

Dang...... great video Rex. Thank you sir.

@TiborasaurusRex

8 жыл бұрын

+whiskey papa You bet, bringing you the secret knowledge of the industry so you can know what going on behind the "scenes".

Nice to see another man that paid attention to what his rifles are doing.

Interesting conversation throughout, though I wish it didn't cut out right when the subject matter was getting really fascinating! Although I understand the prudence of avoiding potential controversy, I really value hearing the opinions of informed people. That's why I'm here! Thanks for letting us listen in for a few minutes, George and Rex! Lots of useful tidbits to be gleaned from hearing experts talk to one another about their subject.

"Close in is 2500 yards" Damn that's not close lol. Great video. Gotta go shopping now.

Outstanding information on the cutting edge products for ultra long range shooting. It's great to get real information from true experts. But Thsi could get to be expense. Still your bringing us info on what's the best bang for our bucks! Thanks! Hope to see you shooting a 408 or 375 in the near future. Thanks again!

Great information and people

I have been here with you rex since the 243 win @1223 yards video a good few years ago that was the first video you released when I subscribed. I have a handful of valuable channels you can get genuine honest unbiased opinions on this is one 👍 and over all these years I never noticed your number of subscribers whats actually going on where is the following for the mighty REX ??? Keep doing everything you do from budget set ups to to top tier glass wear you cover it all perfectly. Greetings from the UK. Oh yes and because all your talk on ior I have now purchased one should be here next week 😁

Ok I went and bought today mounted it on the rifle and it is the bomb. Thanks for bringing these products to us, just don't beat the drum to loud I got to have one more before the get to be costing what they are worth

I think George is projecting his ULR hobby a little there at the end. I have shot one of his chassis though and liked it. Light and comfortable. Seemed very well made.

Rex, thanks

Damn it Rex now my scope price just went up! I literally had prs guys laughing at my old 3-18 ior valdada a few of the wiser guys in the bunch weren't so quick to laugh.

Schott glass makes awesome welding lenses as well

Close end. 2kms!?! Ok, i'll practice more but i'll do it! You've made my day. Respect Sir!

Hallo Rex Are you going to make a review of the new 3-25x50 Lutaz? By the way: Very good channel, with helpfull informations. Thumbs up! Greetings from Germany.

Where can I check out your music? Love the guitar.

been watching a lot of your vids. I see some your long-range shots you said are filmed in the Badlands. what Badlands are you talking about? where you located at bud?

Hey Rex you had any chance to try out the .416 Barrett rounds? Trying to decide between .408 and .416 for a ULR any input would be appreciated. Excellent vid as always, any optic going on my ULR will most likely be a Valdada after seeing these vids!

I have one and they are amazing for my needs.

@drd1924

4 жыл бұрын

Impressed! Buy once and cry once, and don't look back to cheap crap

@fauxurfancy

4 жыл бұрын

I’m buying one. I’m putting it on with a quick release base so I can use it with all my rifles. How is their warranty? Do you have any regrets buying this one? Did you buy the terminator or crusader?

@samsawyer2145

4 жыл бұрын

Victoria Kerr 30 Year warranty

A lot of good sense spoken here. Outstanding

+TiborasaurusRex How would you stack up some of the mid range Valdada IOR scopes (i.e. 3-14x50 Tactical) vs. the USO ST-10 with the 37mm objective for targets at 1000 yards or less? I can't seem to draw any conclusions confidently. Great video series! Thanks for your work and dedication to the craft.

Hey Rex, don't you think that using left hand twin barrel would help with the twist recoil you two were talking about at 4:14? For a right handed shooter...

I tried the IOR, Hensoldt and Schmidt Bender PMII ..I chose the PMII because the turrets were the best, and it has the biggest parallax adjustment. The IoR and Schmidt glass was the same, the Hensoldt better. I do not regret buying the Schmidt. I can see why it is the default choice of many militaries the world over.

Great video Rex, wish the guy in the background would cut out the air compressor and go on a break while you guys are talking!

What do u think of the 416 barrett for ultra long range ??

I have two IOR scopes and they are super clear compared to others. I have had one of the scopes for ten years without any problems. I shoot 600 yards once a week in all conditions (I live in Oregon) and never a problem with my scopes. Operator error is always the problem!

Try a left hand twist barrel? Interesting the difference between these shooters findings and the trends on Snipers Hide. IOR scopes are not popular there.

looks like this scope can be a good addition to my 6.5 Paul Mccoy build.

So, are we talking about a system like the recoilless Diana 54 Airking (sidelever airrifle) with the action moving back and forth within the stock?

Just put a kind of rifling in the tube of a spring recoil stock so when the rifle goes off and the bullet makes the rifle twist then the rifling in the tube with an opposing twist making the rifle twist free. An equal and opposite reaction.

Rex, first of all, thanks for the excellent videos! I will admit....I've watched a TON of them. You're my go to source for all things long range lol. Second, I am in the market for a new scope. Would you say the 3.5-18x50mm with a 35mm tube is a good choice for 1600m and in? Is the durability and glass up to par with the 40mm series? I just want reliable tracking, to be honest. The rest is just icing on top. Thanks!

@TiborasaurusRex

8 жыл бұрын

In my open union they are still a great value, but do not compare to the new 40 mm scopes. The recon, the Crusader, and the terminator are all solidly in the tier one category optically speaking. IOR still retains the caveman design approach when it comes to their mechanical rating. They are

What was the 6-24x for $2k that was mentioned?

Whats the quickest way to get an moa/moa Crusader on my rifle? ?

Got two IOR, 9-36×44 and 3-18×50

Its a 3-25x50 "Lutaz" and is on the market now costing about the same as the 4-28x50

you should try left hand twist

Rex, tell Mr. Banke to run LH barrel twist for RH shooters.

It's interesting to note that the .408 Chey-Tac case capacity (10.32cm^3) is pretty much right in the middle between the 7.62x51mm (3.64cm^3) & the .50 BMG (18.97cm^3), yet provides a longer effect effective range than either of these service cartridges to modern, high-BC projectiles. Is this not the pre-eminent, modern, tested, beltless case in this intermediate zone? If a threat force arms industry were to work on a modern set of cartridges & small arms which is largely a _critique_ of the NATO cartridge & weapons families, they might do so by "working the seams", i.e. seeking overmatch or advantage in certain range bands which are perceived weak spots. Specifically, the cartridges which "criticise" NATO forces might tend to be those which are _intermediate_ between current NATO service cartridges. So, starting from the bottom: 1) a modern, high-pressure ~8mm cartridge with superior range & penetration to 9x19mm, COAL >33mm, for a light, single-stack, slimline service pistol. 2) A PDW round intermediate between 9x19mm & 5.56x45mm, supersonic to between 150-300m. For instance, a trimmed-neck .300 AAC BLK with a 110gr 0.795" Sierra HP Varminter, COAL ~41mm, 1800-2150fps, 802-1144fps, 233-314m supersonic from an 8-11" barrel. Superior ballistics to an M1 Carbine in a much smaller, ideally holsterable package. 3) An infantry rifle cartridge intermediate between 5.56x45mm & 7.62x51mm, but with supersonic range about equal to the latter. Something like the 6.8mm SPC case stretched a little & accommodating longer bullets, so maybe with the 7.62x51mm's COAL of ~71mm. 4) So, what I've been driving at, is that in this sort of a critical process, the .408 Chey-Tac is an important case, because it is here, it is now, & it is right in that sweet spot between .30 cal & .50 cal case capacities. I believe it is noteworthy that the Russians are interested in this case. If you were building a future force structure & family of small arms to "work the seams" on Western forces, would you want to minimise the number of cases used? Surely you would. Therefore, in the above scenario, would you not consider adopting the same case for both the new MMG/HMG, as well as for the new long-range sniper rifle? Surely you would, even if different ammo was to be used for the two systems. Your industry might benefit from using the same standard base case for the two systems, even if the cartridges for the two systems were not to be the same (e.g. necked-up for the MMG/HMG, & necked-down for the sniper rifle). On the NATO side, the GD LWMMG is a specific effort to fill the gap between 7.62x51mm & .50 BMG, _while using calibers also suitable for long-range-sniper rifles_, i.e. .300 & .338 Norma, & .338 Lapua. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Medium_Machine_Gun Note however, that these cartridges, while significantly larger than 7.62x51mm, are not really _intermediate_ between it & .50 BMG, as is .408 Chey_Tac. I'll just close off this speculation by saying that if I were the Russians, & I was performing this critique of NATO forces & small arms families, & I was "working the seams" in the aforementioned fashion, & I had recognised the particular utility of the .408 Chey-Tac case in this critique for use by a new long-range sniper rifle... ... I would also be interested to consider its use in a new MMG/HMG, for use both by a future iteration of the infantry rifle company, as well as vehicle-mounted. I wonder what, if anything, the Russians (or Chinese, or others) are doing with machine guns in the space between .30 cal & .50 cal.

I have two of the Recons, and I like them. I'm disappointed though, that I can't seem to find a scope-mounted level that will fit them!

@stingski1

7 жыл бұрын

Tier One rings have the level built in at the base.

Any option on Tangent Theta?

Must your twist begin and end with same twist. Can your rifling start with slow twist and gradually increase to twist you need say at two thirds of barrel.??¿?

Wait, is he saying MARSOC guys are using IOR scopes? I've only ever seen them using the CQBSS on their M110s and SR25s and I believe they use fixed power Premier and Nightforce. Is IOR a military contracted scope with an NSN number and everything.

I would like to know why they are less priced in the U.K. Vs here in the U.S. Optics warehouse UK has them for £1795. I googled that and it came out to be $1935 ish. Why are they asking $3200 on valdadas US website? Is it just the currency conversion that I'm not doing right or what?

IOR Valdata Bucharest Romania using Zeiss Factory Lens process and also Leica. IOR A Romanian Ziess collaboration formed during WW 2

I wonder how well this would hold up on my 107A1

Rex, how do you choose between Leupold Mark 4 6.5-20x50, 34mm tube and the Valdada 6-24 X 56, 35mm tube?

@TiborasaurusRex

8 жыл бұрын

It is difficult for me to do comparative analysis between these two without possessing the instrumentation to do quantitative scientific analysis. To give you half decent qualitative analysis I would need to at least set them down next reach other at the same time.

@colby7052

8 жыл бұрын

+TiborasaurusRex I was thinking from a general shooters perspective. I certainly appreciate the science involved just looking for your general thoughts. Like, are they comparable or did you think one is just simply superior.

@TiborasaurusRex

8 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, the IOR 6.5-20x50 has better glass... and is built like a tank, although the Leupold may have a more 'refined' feel.

@colby7052

8 жыл бұрын

+TiborasaurusRex Ok. Thanks for the comments. I'm getting ready to purchase and really like the Leupold but the recent videos give me pause.

We need a distributor for that kind of dollar area in Canada!!!

@landlockedviking

8 жыл бұрын

+landlockedviking Sadly Mr. B's memory is currently 1295$ out. How come I'm always after stuff that ends costing almost twice what hearsay says they cost. Unfortunately the real cost of 3295 is just a bit too rich for my ability, however if 2000 dollars ones can be found I could line up takers for 2.

Scops produced by IOR Bucharest (Romania) are some of the most efficient.

I've been kicking the can down the road on getting better glass for some time. I've been shooting the Swfa ss and hd line products for some time and I've been looking at a IOR they have in the used list, and I believe I'm going to go in and get it when the storefront opens this morning

At 1.30 he has the barrel resting on the bean bag....is that a free-floating bean bag?

Can you go into the 375 and 407 he was talking about?

@TheOlsonOutfit

8 жыл бұрын

+Whiteleghorn They are talking about the 375 and 408 CheyTac. I don't know anything about the 375 , but the 408 is an extreme long range round that is supposed to remain stable through the trans-sonic barrier.

So I'm guessing the 300WM is not the way to go. For ultra long range. What caliber is he referring to?

@DarkMatter946

8 жыл бұрын

+Captain Chaos .375 CheyTac

@electroniccheeks

8 жыл бұрын

+DarkMatter946 I've heard of this caliber somewhat. Will do research, thanks.

@yuriys.6352

8 жыл бұрын

+DarkMatter946 why not 338lm or 50bmg?

@DarkMatter946

8 жыл бұрын

The CheyTac cartridges are so beyond those two in terms of ballistic efficiency. IIRC they are designed in such a way they can even remain stable well past the transsonic barrier. 408 CheyTac and 375 CheyTac if you care to read about them

Just brought a 4-28x50 Recon for £1399 carnt weight to try it ought ( ;

What about all the reliability issues that have been reported on sniper forums (snipers hide) of ior scopes....I want to list this scope but this is disconcerting

George- you looking for an intern? In exchange for a rifle? Or better yet, you looking for a dependent? I'm available for either short or long term adoption. J/k. Really enjoy listening in on the two of you getting to know each other and share info.

if I set up a beer can or coke can at a random range can you hit it first shot or what ever range I want between 900 and 1400

@planeiron7553

8 жыл бұрын

+Plane Iron no answer??????

@TiborasaurusRex

8 жыл бұрын

If the wind conditions in particular were favorable, and one had all the proper data logs, it is entirely possible - however it would still be very difficult, and even a true stud of the craft could pull it off and would still require some degree of luck.

@planeiron7553

8 жыл бұрын

I know it would be a difficult shot, I really think it was a stupid Question, but anyway you make great videos and most important you believe in Christ Our Lord and Savior

dude said it was better than the schmidtty... that has to be the only brand better than that, amazing!

@TiborasaurusRex

8 жыл бұрын

The newest generation 40 mm scopes coming from IOR certainly feature tier one glass, it is still very hard to beat Schmidt and bender when it comes to mechanical refinement. IOR scopes are still constructed in an eastern block style which tends to be quite rugged and maybe not quite as refined as some. It is certainly interesting to see the level of optical performance of these new scopes and how far they've come since they made East block military optics back in the day. A lot of IOR's old stuff could be categorized in the mid tier 2 category, but this new high-end stuff is amazing in my humble opinion.

I stalked my first wife behind the lenses of an IOR rifle scope.

IOR makes excellent quality scope, that’s a fact nobody can deny but the drawback is very poor or inexistent after sale service.

Interesting article concerning Schott and Swarovski: www.us.schott.com/magazine/english/sol108/sol108_07_light.html

@ultimummilitem685

8 жыл бұрын

+TiborasaurusRex Can you do a video on Tangent Theta Rifle Scopes? Is there anything to them? Your videos have helped me understand ballistics, optics, and shooting with much less frustration. Thank You!

@patrickthompson389

8 жыл бұрын

+Luthuli Larson (Thuli) YES!!! REX, come up to Canada and try the Theta's. Time for the ultimate scope shootout!

@seatech44

8 жыл бұрын

+TiborasaurusRex In another video Rex you mentioned that these companies say it's EU glass but it is really made in China. What is your feeling on Schott? I am a Recon owner, I like it and I don't. The focus ring for me is in a awkward, I need to mill a throw lever for the focusing ring . My illuminated dot is non-existent, in a dark room you cannot see it until you reach like 7 or 8. Sent it back to Val and he said everything is fine, works fine. Otherwise I like it, it's bright and accurate.

@jimothy-johnson

8 жыл бұрын

Tangent Theta scopes are arguably the best on the market, they compete directly with Schmidt and Bender. I'd recommend checking out Killswitch's testing of them in the riflescope section of Sniper's Hide. You'll also find out some not-so-great things about IOR while you're there.

@ultimummilitem685

8 жыл бұрын

pkingsdead I am thinking about buying a IOR 4-28. What is the problem with them? I'll go to sniper's hide, but my knowledge of optics is limited, and I am on my first centerfire rifle.

I got G2 today. I’m not worthy. But I bought it to set up my Son in law. Butt it’s mine till I’m dead.

Great interview. Short vid on the Russian .408 hitting at >2.11 miles a year ago. What's that, -extreme- ultra long-range? kzread.info/dash/bejne/pmmhwdh7g6Ssn6Q.html

I own two of IOR Valadada scopes. They both broke and had to be sent in for repairs. One of them was sent in for repairs and it was replaced, a couple of years later the replacement broke and had to been sent in for repairs. I have a told of $4,500 (ish) tied up in these broken scopes. NIghtforce, Vortex and or SWFA would be way better options, if you want a scope that won't break in a couple of years.

@_DST0NE_

5 жыл бұрын

Saw this exact post on another video reviewing these scopes 🤔 hmm wonder why.

@texrifleman

5 жыл бұрын

Dan hmmm copy and paste?

Opion

I would love to shoot the 375 or 408 but my 338 is expensive enough. could imagine having the 408. I would never shoot. on the other hand if our government would stand behind the 408 it would drive the price down.

@paintballfreak1128

8 жыл бұрын

+TheArmedSheepdog There is may too much .50 still sitting around in the Military for them to think about switching away from it for quite a long time.

@StephenB2

8 жыл бұрын

+paintballfreak1128 the .50 they shoot is shit for long range. or accurate long range. they don't supply the projectiles with the good bc. the .338 that they have is much better in the military's supply chain. the shit ton of .50 is not sutible for accurate long range. also the 408 maintains its stability even after it passes the trans sonic zone. the .50 does not.

@paintballfreak1128

8 жыл бұрын

+TheArmedSheepdog I get the benefits of .408 and .375 over the .50BMG it just isn't worth the $$$ in the eyes of people who make decisions in the military if you need to take out something 2500m plus that's when you call in CAS or Indirect in the eyes of the military so I doubt we are going to see and .408 or .375s being purchased for the US Military for quite a while.

@StephenB2

8 жыл бұрын

+paintballfreak1128 agreed

@truebornsonofliberty554

8 жыл бұрын

+paintballfreak1128 and just think of the cost of calling in air strikes and ordinance on the regular as opposed to a 1000 rifles and a few million cartridges to get started. So shortsighted.

Russians are not your enemies! Slavs are not your enemies! When are you going to understand that!?

pr4runner59 minutes agoWhat do you think of Valdada scopes? Have you tried them out? SHLowlight28 minutes agoSeriously ? I dislike them, they have very bad reputation for reliability and I have seen too many break. There is a reason they have Gen4s, because 1 thru 3 didn't work pr4runner25 minutes agoI am newer to this and had no idea of that reputation. Thanks for your reply. SHLowlight20 minutes agoThere are much better scopes on the market to choose from, in a very similar price range. Don't fall for the "great glass" line as these are telescopic sights and need to adjust, they are not spotters. pr4runner19 minutes agoDo you have a top list out there on KZread? Or have some good suggestions? Thank you for your time. SHLowlight18 minutes agoeverything you want to learn is here www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5511-rifle-scopes pr4runner59 minutes agoWhat do you think of Valdada scopes? Have you tried them out? SHLowlight28 minutes agoSeriously ? I dislike them, they have very bad reputation for reliability and I have seen too many break. There is a reason they have Gen4s, because 1 thru 3 didn't work

Guy in the right should just shut his mouth and let the gentleman talk. Rude AF!