I disagree that a hunting rifle should have a brake on it as opposed to a suppressor as the majority of hunters don't use hearing protection. Tinnitus isn't worth the recoil reduction.

@russellkeeling9712

2 жыл бұрын

I use hearing protection whenever I am shooting at paper but when pulling the trigger on an animal that will supply the winters meat the report of the firearm isn't heard.

@redrock425

2 жыл бұрын

I always use a suppressor now. There isn't that much recoil difference imo.

@jaydunbar7538

2 жыл бұрын

@@redrock425 that’s suppressor dependent, just like some hide flash better and other have better decibel reduction.

@andrewcastillo9558

Жыл бұрын

@@russellkeeling9712 I did the same till this year. 3 months later and the ear won't stop ringing.

@theblishknovk

8 ай бұрын

My only problem is that i refuse to pay the government 200 dollars for permission to own a can. They can fuck themselves. Only problem is i need to fuck myself in the process. Very tough call for me on principal.

Strangely enough, I want to take the rifles that I used to own-none of them fancy by any stretch-and just wring the absolute best that I could with what they brought to the table, stock. No fancy stocks that I can’t afford, no bench loading at the range. Just the rifle as I bought it. I’m old, disabled and broke. In my experience, most rifles shoot better than I can.

Id say something thats just as important as the rifle is the ammo being used. A cartridge thats matched with the rifle is key.

This is the podcast I've been waiting for. Defiance deviant Proof carbon 26 inch 6.5creed vision and design chassis with a razor gen2 4.5-27

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

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@michaelbailey4106

Жыл бұрын

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Weatherby vanguard meat eaters edition in 7mm Remington magnum, with a vortex viper PST gen II on top up it with talley lightweight rings. That’s my long range hunting rifle, at 9 pounds it’s light enough to carry all day and still heavy enough to not dread pulling the trigger.

Thanks gentlemen. Examining different applications with different guns turned out to be educational as well as entertaining.

One of the most intelligent discussions of any topic I’ve heard. Really helpful. Appreciate it.

PRS/NRL has in many way changed the game as to what the MIL now uses.

A man after my own heart! I love the 300 WSM my self!

These vortex podcasts are amazing and now I own a few vortex products as of recently

A few suggestions. Number all the guns and list ALL specs in the description. Describe the guns better. I would have went crazy listening to this podcast... "this gun" doesn't cut it when doing a comparison. Also, missed tons of advertising potential not name-dropping the gun/component manufacturers. Optics are a secondary buy... Gotta seduce them into a new gun first.

When I was in the military I strapped the M2 to a backpack frame. Carried it around in the mountains, even skiing with that on my back. My spotter did the same with the tripod. My troop had a BV with a cradle for it, but it was on loan all the time I was enrolled.

That green 6.5 creed is as much a sniper as any of them. It's basically a M24 which was just a Rem 700 Police(.308) decked out a bit. Actually his stock is even more advanced

Weight and LPVO are most important to me when hunting. Traded in a 12-13 lb AR10 for a 16in 300 blk with a 1-6x (7 lbs). Deer, pigs, and black bear out to 300 all day.

Probably one of my favorite episodes so far. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy every single one of them.

@scrooge8117

2 жыл бұрын

Opposite for me, not a LR hunting fan

Jimmie's 6.5 is basically a NutnFancy NLR 🧐🤔🤘

Awesome series, GREAT episode. Hunting- BSA .300 WinMag. w/ that classic "walnut stock". . . Fun Gun- Savage Arms 110 Precision in 6.5 Creedmore; currently mounted with a Vortex Viper BDC...waiting for my Vortex HS-T to arrive. REALLY Fun Gun- Savage Arms 10/110 BA Stealth Evolution in .338 Lapua w/ Vortex Viper HS-T. . . One of the best terms I have heard in regards to "accuracy", is from a gentleman named Ryan Cleckner and that term is "acceptable accuracy". Off to watch more on this series. Long range on a budget.

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for tuning in. We're glad you're enjoying the series!👊

👋🏼 I searched your channel/site for the subject: Rifle “CHASSIS” and did Not see any full content on this. I’m a hunter that would like you to discuss various options from Lightweight to Long Range etc. 🙏

Again and again and … Love the show instant subscriber

Excellent discussion gentlemen. In a previous life I was a LE sniper. I still have my old Savage 110FP Tactical Police .308 with a 24" heavy barrel from around 23-24 years ago. Old bolt gun from the era before the Savage Accutrigger. Still goes bang. Still prints 1/2 MOA with 168 gr HPBTM ammo when I do my part. I shot the North American Sniper Championship twice with it. Fun rifle that looks nothing like the new generation of tools shown on your table. 1990's technology...

@traceyevans2757

2 жыл бұрын

As an LE sniper would you have preferred something w/ a shorter barrel? The newer LE DMR rifles are something like an 18” 1 in 10 twist 308, like the remington 700. I believe the thought process is the range will most likely be within a few hundred yards. What do you think? Would you still choose a 24” barrel or would that be unnecessary considering realistic ranges?

@gorillahd9247

2 жыл бұрын

@@traceyevans2757 A 20" would have been great. Long range was never a factor so a thicker 20" would have been a wonderful option back in the day. We don't carry them far and we never had a long range engagement. An adjustable stock would have made my heart sing. Lol. Luckily the stocks were average and I am 5'10" with longish arms so everything fit me.

@gorillahd9247

2 жыл бұрын

@@traceyevans2757 On a side note when shooting longer ranges in international competition the 24" made all of the trajectory expectations for the .308 line up nicely from theory to practical application.

@traceyevans2757

2 жыл бұрын

Gorilla HD good to know. Thanks for the info man

@willtrax71

Жыл бұрын

Spot on my Friend spot on.. I have my Remington 700 Mic40 assembled in beautiful Quantico chambered in .308 topped with a fixed 10X U.S. Optic Glass and it’s 1/2 moa solid and has been since 1991 and I don’t EVER see me spending thousands of dollars on a specialty Platform or the “new Best thing” in 6.5 etc…I do have a Vortex Optic on a Stoner platform that I’ll never part with lol I Love that Vortex. Semper Fidelis

Great info guys. Thanks for the content.

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU for tuning in!

Great podcast, great information!

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for tuning in, Robert!

Good one! My pocket book will allow me one “dream” gun. Goals, 95% target, 5% hunting. I used to smoke a lot of guys at our bimonthly 600 yd shoot but they have upped their game. Called GAP and spoke with Ash about my needs. They are building me a 6.5c with a 24” Bartlien fluted barrel in an extreme hunter stock. May be a little heavier than ideal for hunting but on range day it should rock. Why 6.5c? Great bullets, lots of components in my inventory and after multiple back and neck injuries, easy to shoot.

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

Right on!

I’m the guy who put a custom walnut stock on his hunting rifle. Life is to short to shoot an ugly gun

Excellent video and topic. Just enough information and details.

When talking about LPVO and hunting vs the 2.5-10, y'all skipped over low light situations and exit pupil size on the scope. LPVOs have really small objective lenses, which means you can't use as much magnification in low light as they 2.5-10 with 2x the objective size.

Another good reason for using a suppressor is that brakes punish the spotter blowing blast back towards them and in 308 upwards increase felt concussion. A decent can does make an appreciable reduction to recoil but not as much as a brake. Brakes increase spl for shooter and spotter. I appreciate their benefits but for me, their downsides are more than the upsides. In comp, they make sense for recoil management. Great points on fit and comfort, all very relevant. Custom rifles for comp owe as much to sniper rifles as the other way around. The AI was the first sniper rifle to exploit a chassis long before comp rifles adopted them. Today it’s interesting to see how sniper systems and comp rifles feed off each other. Bolt action every time for repeatable precision. For ambush hunting you can indeed use a chassis rifle or use something like a grs stock which can be bedded. Great stocks and lightweight.

You guys are fantastic. As a new shooter, you guys and in range have been so so helpful. It influenced me to buy a Vortex as my first optic

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

YOU are fantastic - we appreciate ya tuning in and for all the support, my friend. That's awesome! Which one did you go with?

@BTdeltafan101

Жыл бұрын

@@VortexNation Since they never answered, I have joined the Vortex family with on some of my 22 LR plinkers. I purchased 2 Crossfire II's, one a 2-7x32 and the other a 3-9x50. I will get a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50mm MOA when I try my hand at longer ranges with the Bergara B-14 HMR Widerness that I plan on purchasing.

@JacopoSkydweller

Жыл бұрын

@@BTdeltafan101 Did you ever pick up that B-14 HMR Wilderness? I have been seriously considering one for my Barbary Sheep hunt. I want to know ALL of your thoughts, good and bad if you did "pull the trigger" on it.

@BTdeltafan101

Жыл бұрын

@@JacopoSkydweller I did in fact pick up one the B-14 HMR Wilderness rifles in 308. I haven't put many rounds on it yet (just the recommended break in procedure) but so far it's really nice. Feeds smoothly with both the standard magazine and the MDT AICS mags. I had no hang-ups and the bolt feels quite slick. Not quite tikka level but close. The muzzle brake that comes with it is useless so I would recommend replacing that right away. Otherwise seems like it will be a good rifle.

@JacopoSkydweller

Жыл бұрын

@@BTdeltafan101 Good to know on the muzzle break. I'm planning on picking up that one or one of the lighter variants in 300 win mag, which will kick like a mule on a lightweight rifle. How do your groups look?

My dram do all rifle is a Remington 700 blueprinted fitted with an 18 inch 308 carbon fibre barrel in an MDT HNT26 chassis with a new vortex razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50 that would be wicked silencerCo Omega 300 can

DTA SRS 338 30" suppressed, Razor G2, Atlas H5, and a SLING

Awesome talk old school vs high TEC. Its evolution it will come full circle. Lighter shorter barrels new materials better ammo less recoil with the best stopping power for the job. That's why the military's looking for next generation of weapons.

Look at the Uintah Precision AR-10 bolt action. I have the .308 upper and the 6.5 Creed. Both are set up different for application's. What I like about Uintah Precision is both calibers use the same AR-10 Magpul mags.

For target: Sako 338 lapua sitting in a McMillan A5 For hunting: Sako 75 in 7mm STW

@anthonysullivan4202

2 жыл бұрын

sako 85 you mean..haha

@RyanBrown-fp3vk

2 жыл бұрын

Shhh...!

Great video thanks!

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

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Very good video. I'm a 338 guy. 300 Sherman mag and 300prc are my new addition. I have several 40x customs. All guns are awesome. That why we have the right to buy what we want. I still think 300 win mag and 7mag rule the roost for hunting and snipers.im surprised that a 7mag wasn't mentioned as a counter sniper rifle.

On the mrad, fold the stock and pull the QD can, and you have taken a third of the length of the rifle off. You can then fit it in a pack like an Eberlestock or similar rifle bag tucked into your ruck and look more like part of the patrol while carrying your M4... It is an amazing rifle, but I would not want to take it hunting unless I was looking to take down an elk at 1500 yards and had a horse or two to help me haul my gear and game :)

You guys are hilarious. Just one more reason to buy V. My son and I laughed for an hour straight. Thank you.

For competition/plinking- Ruger Precision Rifle with LRI 6.5 Creed barrel, Atlas bipod, Leupold Mark5HD 5-25x56 with Tremor3 reticle, 140gn Hornady ELD-M. For hunting- Rem 700LR 300 Win Mag, Atlas bipod, same scope as above (Midwest Industries QD scope mount), and 210gn Berger VLD hunting.

Durability and balance is important. Weight is not an issue for a competition, but it is for hunting! Still, I'm looking for a balance between a precise and durable weapon that never lets me down in all weather conditions. Also being able to fully adjust the stock to your physique is a must.

@dethtour

Жыл бұрын

Get a Sig Sauer Cross in .308 and call it a day. Very light rifle, hits 500yards all day, it's extremely customizable, stock folds and its fully adjustable, takes magpul mags, easy to clean, easy to use, pair it with a sig bdx scope and range finder, link it your phone and you have a pretty badass hunting setup. The price for that whole setup will run you about 3000 bucks, but it'll be the rifle you use for at least 30 years. Look up some videos. It's a phenomenal rifle.

Underrated podcast

Didn't see the Ruger PR in .300 Win Mag introduced. I have one and find it a great rifle to shoot.

49:42 - My experience has been the opposite. Could just be a fluke. Maybe it depends on the brake and suppressor.. But if you have a suppressor attached to a muzzle break instead of a direct thread, and if you have an anchor brake on the end too, then that suppressor set up has much better recoil mitigation than a brake alone - at least for me (I had an Apollo 7.62, which is arguably one of the best brakes and it worked very well, and I still use it on another gun. But when I switched it out for an Omega 300, the recoil was surprisingly less)

Not gonna lie, I’m lovin the team 555 WRC BugEye on your shirt there Jim!

I enjoyed your podcast.

The Springfield waypoint is the best stock "lightweight" rifle that ill use to take longer shots for hunting after practice of course and trust in my ability and scope.

Since you asked what my setup is, Bergara HMR 6.5PRC, KRG bravo, trigger tech two stage, Vortex PST 5-25

working to blend all these things.....#trainingformammoth

What are the specs of the bolt gun Nick is holding at 39:54? What action, barrel, caliber, etc.? I would like to build one that is similar. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

One thing touched on here that I missed the last time. And there may be a podcast episode that covered it. The difference in needs between a hunting rifle and a precision competition rifle. A hunting rifle needs to be precise for 1 to 3 shots because that is all you ever get at a game target. So, it is more important to have it just about dead on with a cold barrel. Jayden Quinlan at Hornady points out that how you zero the rifle will depend on your use. A hunting rifle should be fired three times and make what adjustments you can. Then allowed to completely cool and try the next set. As opposed to a competition rifle that could be shooting many rounds. The latter should be grouped and patterned for that. As in, group or sight your rifle for how you expect to use it. So, being a hunter, I do not zero on a vise or lead sled. I zero against my shoulder with the foregrip on a towel on foam on my ammo box, similar to sitting in my tripod. So, the rifle cannot be the heaviest but I do have some on chassis for the superior bedding. Second, I need a thick recoil pad. Hunting in the woods or even a canyon, I will not have a securely bolted bench and sand bags. I might even be standing with my off hand braced on a tree trunk holding the foregrip, a la Jeff Cooper. All the things I need may sacrifice precision. Not just because of cost but also weight. One of the most accurate rifles I have for hunting grouped .516 MOA on the first two shots, which is hunting. The rifle was $400. Granted, a 40 round group goes to about 1 MOA but that is plenty precise for deer hunting. I am just not going to be emptying two boxes of ammo in a single hunting day, that I can think of. As I have learned from being around the debates of precision shooters, a truly .5 MOA rifle requires several thousands of dollars. And even the Hornady podcasts on small group samples can show that your $9k rifle that was supposed to be .25 MOA is actually shooting to about 1 or 1.25 MOA. There are several reasons for that outside of how much you spent on the rifle.

I like this podcast, but I have a qestion. What is your opinion of a Blaser R8 i å GRS Ragnarok stokk in 338 Lapua Mag for long range shooting?

What make/brand was the 300 wsm flutted barrel? Thanks in advance.

Need an episode on muzzle breaks

Could you tell me what type of stock he's using at 13:08? It looks like a McMillan kind of. The green one. Thanks

Next in the news, the sun hurts my eyes 🤣😂🤣😂 I kid of course: no time to watch it tonight, but I'll get to it in the next day or two.

“I think they’re all bad ass Jim”

Great show first time watcher/listener, Question: Where do I get that awesome wall paper for my reloading cave?

Should I get the savage 110 persion in 338 or the 338 long range hunter need opnions for purchase my only problem with the 338 load range savage hunter is it dosent have a threaded barrle end for different attachments

What Chassis is on that black rifle with the carbon fiber barrel?

New to long range shooting. Any recommendations on a two stage trigger? Will a lighter pull increase accuracy?

What's that black rifle 2nd one on the table with the crazy barrel

Why does ELR not get any love from this podcast? If you guys ever want to bring on an ELR shooter, I'd be game!

@redgumconstructions6654

2 жыл бұрын

Check out episode 70 in the videos archive

22:24 no matter how specialized i try to make my set ups, every rifle is still a do all gun. If i ever get a 338 lapua, id make it a lightweight 18 inch lpvo setup

SOCOM is buying the MRAD as the MK22, last a recall it was shipped with a 308/7.62 NATO, 300 Norma Mag, and a 388 Norma Mag barrel in the package, iirc. Garandthumb has a video with Kevin owns talking about it.

Very good video

Hello, Vortex. I'm looking to buy a SFP Trijicon TR23 AccuPoint 5-20x50. I'll be running it on my 308 bolt-action as a stationary hunting rig (low-light conditions in northern Georgia), and it'll also serve as my under-500 yard bench-rest plinker. No PRS for me. It runs about $930-950 on Amazon and Optics Planet. I like the Trijicon glass, and also love the battery-free fiber optics/tritium reticle. I've used it before on a buddy's rifle and loved it. The fiber optic and tritium reticle is a 'loose' requirement for me. So what would be the closest comparable Vortex product to this TR23? And where is the lowest-cost place to buy it from? Thanks so much in advance.

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for reaching out! Based on those specifications, the closest in our lineup would be the Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50 SFP. All of our dealers should sell them at the MAP price which is $899.99.

@sideshowbilly3755

2 жыл бұрын

@@VortexNation Thank you so much.

@VortexNation

2 жыл бұрын

@@sideshowbilly3755 You are very welcome. If you have any other questions come up, please let us know.

This was a cool podcast. I definitely feel like the outlier with a 300 WM M24 sporting a PM2 3-20x50... But not everyone can be a 6.5 cre W/ a Vortex ;)

@stevebreedlove9760

Жыл бұрын

If youre an outlier what does that make me? I am shopping for my first long range rifle and thats why Im watching this video.

Hell ya

Another good podcast. I would like to know how military snipers handle cold bore shots at long ranges. Hunters and law enforcement as well, now that I think of it. Do they only use rifles that have no cold bore deviation or do they compensate somehow. Maybe call these guys back? Thanks.

@christopherfreeman3095

2 жыл бұрын

For an application where cold bore shots are the specter norm, you zero, train, and practice with cold bore. Basically there are no follow up shots, so the rifle is left to cool before trying again. Obviously if the shift is minimal, that is an advantage too

@gorillahd9247

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherfreeman3095 Correct.

Summary: Horses for courses. Decide what you want to do first then buy the right tool. Want to do more than one thing with it? There will be compromises.

Was Justin an 11C in 3/7cav prior to going sf?

Why don’t yall have .5 mil elevation dots in the tree of the EBR7C. So many times i have a hold in the x.5 mils and there is no dot in the reticle.. like there is in the mil-xt nightforce reticles

Just bought a 110 elite in 300prc

300-izm Ruger American Predator in fall camo. Aero Precision FDE AR-10 in 308 for a gas gun.

Episode on cerokote finishes

My AR-10 308 does double duty hunting and combat rifle.

It's interesting talking about the aesthesis, that's what drives the unfounded fear and loathing of guns like the AR-15 (and variants), and the governments' (not limited to one country) unrelenting drive to ban them. It's simply aesthetics.

I wish I could shoot well enough to actually use one of those.

@redrock425

2 жыл бұрын

Find someone good and learn from them, with practice you will get better.

Give that man some water lolz

Jack of all trades rifles are great, so long as your a master of that rifle

My hunting guns are setup differently than my 1000/1200 yard target guns. Target guns have heavy barrels, muzzle brakes, bipods, etc. Hunting gun will have a sling, be lighter, shorter barrel, minimum 4x scope, such being easier to take a quick shot. As example, I have two 6.8 Westerns. The target rifle is built on a heavy Winchester 70 Coyote frame and the hunting rifle is built off of lighter Winchester 70 Shadow frame. I learned a number of years ago, a long range target gun is not an effective hunting gun.

When you talk about the guns on video for KZread could you please show them to the camera

Question ? What do you recommend for a beginner long range shooter?

@dethtour

Жыл бұрын

Get a ruger bolt action in 308 or 270 with a sig buckmaster scope. If you can afford to spend north of 2000 bucks. I'd recommend a sig cross with a bdx scope. You have to look at your budget. You have to take into consideration the weight. It makes a difference.

@jennydannyp7229

Жыл бұрын

@@dethtour Thanks for the tip ! Yes 2000 is exactly my budget!

Built an AR10 with a 20" barrel in 308 and rocking the. Sig BDX scope, while I wait for yours to be civilian ready

@dethtour

Жыл бұрын

I love that scope. I got a sig cross in 308. Extremely light, bdx scope, bdx range finder. I'm hitting steel at 500yards all day and I have bad eye sight lol the sig sauer bdx scope are extremely badass.

@ViperM8R

Жыл бұрын

@Big Chungus so far I love it! Haven't had much chance to go far with it. Just zeroed at 100 a few times on my rifle. I have a hog Trip on Friday next week that I'm hoping will really get some use out of it

@dethtour

Жыл бұрын

@Kyle Southward which zoom did you go with? I got up to 14X. I think it's the sweet spot for weight and distance. Most of the time, you're going to hit less than 150 yards anyway. I just wanted a little bit more Zoom in case I'm out in the open so I can use the range finder and dial in the distance and go for a good 250yard shot if needed. If you don't have the BDX range finder, I highly recommend it. It's simple and handy since everything links together. I don't even need to rezero since I can just put the ammo I'm going to use in the software load up the specs, and then the scope automatically adjusts to the new condition.

@ViperM8R

Жыл бұрын

@Big Chungus I've got the easy6 3-18. And I'm waiting until after the holidays to order the kilo6k binos for the range finder!

You guys forgot the entry level lrp guns such as....howa hcr and Roger prec rifle...?

Jim, take out all 6:6 cylinders, not just 1!

1st as long as my bullets are traveling the 1600 fps minimum for proper expansion I’m good. 2nd will depend on the conditions.

I understand a little lighter but see no difference in 5 to 7ish pounds light is not really a good thing but everyone wants to go that route

Would it be so hard to lift the guns up so we can see what you are actually talking about?

FN .308 PBR 24” fluted.... all I’ll ever need for distance shooting. Practice to know your own ethical effective range. To each his own.

Great info but the “uhmnnns” were brutal.

The reason hunters don't use chassis has nothing to do with looks. Metal makes noise and gets colder than wood or composite stocks. That my opinion anyway.

@jaydunbar7538

2 жыл бұрын

That’s your reason, but you can take a quick look around the Internet forums and quickly see find that the primary reasons are looks. They may list it as nostalgia or something, but it’s the looks that are nostalgic. Your absolutely right about metal being cold, aluminum is the worst in the cold. However that only matter to those of us hunting northern cold climates, doesn’t matter much in Texas.

Cut at 22:14

day 14 of asking for the 338 win mag or 418 rem magnum.

Love the commando “operator” headsets to sit in the room and talk to each other. No, not really. 🙄

I’ve heard of Marines using rifles like the Winchester model 70 hunting rifle in .270 Win being used as a sniper rifle, is this true? I’ve also heard of hunting type rifles in the old days being used with fixed power 3/4” tube scopes that windage and elevation adjusts were made at scope mounts and not by reticle, as well as scopes with a resettable spring recoil mechanism built in to protect the shooters eye.

@RobinRobertsesq

2 жыл бұрын

The Marines used Model 70 rifles in .30-06 and 7.62x51mm. Later replaced them with Reminton 700 rifles.

@ronws2007

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobinRobertsesq the good old M40. Many a Marine trained on that, even if he later changed to a .338 Lapua Mag. I read the memoirs of Nicholas "The Reaper" Irving. in the Rangers, he shot an SR-25 and his sniper team leader shot a .300 WM.

Im going to say something really silly....but I wish you guys could honestly discuss OPTICS the way you do other things....but I realize that is never going to happen without some MAJOR bias. The Gen 3 deserves some MAJOR praise, it is one of the top 5 scopes on the market but its just weird that an honest convo about optics can never happen here. Just a shame.

Car guys are like that

I really like these podcasts/videos - they're extremely educational - but the lack of basic English drives me absolutely INSAAAAANNNEE!! Some guys are better than others, but some of ya'll are completely incapable of completing a sentence without saying "UMMMMMM" 11 times!!!

If 59 yards is average on stateside then 6.5 Grendel is more than plenty.