Finally, you don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for the last episode of this

@mapsofbeing5937

5 ай бұрын

except this isn't the last episode, isn't this the same thing as the previous one?

@Houcnc

5 ай бұрын

@@mapsofbeing5937this is the same one

@camhines15

5 ай бұрын

@@mapsofbeing5937i’m assuming it’s a recap so when they post the final episode it makes more sense to a newer viewer

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

@@camhines15thanks! You get it!

I've been wanting to see this piece completed for a while now. Looking forward to follow up videos. Just a suggestion and maybe you guys have done it before in the past, but I like to note what the weight of the work piece is at the beginning and then the end to gauge how much material was removed.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Usually we do that. But in this case i dropped the ball. Tomorrow ill check and let u know. But the next part i do on this machine is going to be super sick and a little scary. Ok alot scary. Its starting at around 2100 lbs…..and will be 36” tall 18” diameter mounted to the table vertically

@benargee

4 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4iF0dCQocy7ZNo.html part 1

Looking good Barry. Can't wait to see the finished product!

You never addressed how you hollow out the spiral. Could you please explain this

@hakanrakaalbarani9741

5 ай бұрын

yea, and is this thing even real & functional? or is it just for entertainment & promotional purposes only?

@itzzmoritzz1707

5 ай бұрын

I think the original part is made out of a cast iron shape. And the hole is there inside.

@prety7838

5 ай бұрын

The cochlea hole can be made with a graphite electrode on a CNC erosion machine

@hakanrakaalbarani9741

5 ай бұрын

@@prety7838 how long it would take?

@adammiller4879

5 ай бұрын

It’s not , it’s for demonstration , it’s not possible with current technology to make that unless it’s 3d printed, or Cast.

Love roughing but let's see the finishing!👏

I love watching you guy make a master piece and you make it look easy.

That is such a cool machine and such a cool part! Awesome video Barry!!!

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Donatello

i really like building patterns for cast pump housings, i am a pattern maker from germany, and we use some of your tips when building patterns with the help of cnc machines!

Pumphouse is BACK Baby! Great video Barry and Brandon!

I used to help make a pump nozzle housing for Areo Jet back in the 1980s at a shop in Troy Mi. Hand formed Inco 625 Tig welded to a Machined base.

@0987654321xx1

Ай бұрын

I used to work on the Delta and Titan programs (assembly and testing) for Aerojet in the 1980’s. This part immediately reminded me of those Titan IV engines.

That’s crazy slick!

Sir, that is complicated. You guys are just damn good. I've been a subscriber for a decade now. Can't even imagine what you guys will be doing 10 years from now.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Ron! Glad that youre still watching after a decade, and i hope that you still keep an open mind and learn a thing or two here and there!

Amazing work! I remember when pump casings had to be cast. The ability to machine a casing from a block of solid material is mind-blowing. I would love to see a comparison of an equivalent part made by casting to a CNC part both visually and dimensionally.

@adammiller4879

5 ай бұрын

It’s still has to be cast or printed, Not possible to machine inside that spiral of the housing , Lol. There’s a reason they didn’t show that part.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

@@adammiller4879facts man. Keep in mind that we are showing the methods to machine similar parts. Clearly the spiral would be cast or printed on a production part. But even making this part from billet, it wouldnt be impossible to get the id. It would just be a long, slow process with a crazy extended lollipop

@adammiller4879

5 ай бұрын

@@barrysetzer I would love to see that it would be insane. I forgot you mention that in another video, would be cast for production and machined for 1 off do to casting cost. That would still take an insane tool stick out to get inside that . Maybe a minature right angle head with a lollipop endmill😂

Excellent work 👏👏

Shouldn't the curved pipe be hollow? That will be interesting.

@itzzmoritzz1707

5 ай бұрын

I think the original part is made out of a cast iron shape

I hope you also do the inside of the housing. That would be incredible.

@fauxbro1983

4 ай бұрын

that's the proprietary stuff

US and Soviet scientists did not even dream of such equipment during the space race of the 1950s and 1960s. All the more respect for them.

That is next level...

About how that one tool you mentioned made a ton of almost painful noise, I actually thought that was pretty cool. It almost sounded like the workpiece was screaming for mercy 😂

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Right, i see that you are “one of us.” 😂

Wow, what a beautiful Piece (so far) I don't want to disturb anyone, but in first line I contribute this to: - the fact, that there was talented people to cast a blanc workepiece to start, without blowholes - the fact, that there was a genius brain to make the CNC work that way. I would see the same piece as welding-part to make a direct comparison. That would be a much more challenging work.

Thanks for letting the sound of the cut be part of your videos. I dislike background music and such on technical videos. I want to hear you, the presenter AND the background noises which can offer useful information on the quality of a machining operation. I'm glad to learn that a good cut might sound "bad".

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Love me some machining racket, too 😂

Thanks for showing what the others won't.

Witam, fajnie was się ogląda.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

1:10 I was waiting for a crash... apparently he has learned his lesson

What kind of genius is this

hello sir, I want to ask whether the CNC machine is for lathes made from iron blocks or cylinders; where did you buy it from?

как сделали обработку с повротмо оси? на небольшой угол шпиндель завалили?

Barry, walking the dog!!

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Lol what up Arch

2:15 - Not sure how to explain this, but does the machine automatically adjust the feed (table rpm?) to compensate for the increase in material as the tool moves away from the center?

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Yep!

Much Better 🙂

Golden Engine

We print parts like this all the time on our Velo.

Stupid question maybe but how do you drill into the turbopump? to make it hollow

@prety7838

5 ай бұрын

The cochlea hole can be made with a graphite electrode on a CNC erosion machine

i really love the machining process i would unironically fall asleep to some CNC asmr i have sleep acmia really bad, i usually mute the video because the talking would keep me up

Did you do the impeller for this?

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

No. But i did spend a few years making impellers. Those were a tough few years, but i gotta say that Concepts NREC Max 5 and Max AB made my life sooooooo much easier

What is your total process time for this part from billet to finished part?

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

About 14 hours. It always seems super long just because we post so much in between

since this is just a recap, can we expect the follow-up soon? Did you guys just write the code for this part, so over at BO they can mass-produce it?

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Yes, the final video is currently in editing. The next time u see this part, it is the finishing.

Quick question: Is the fact that this is going to be used in a cryogenic application why you didn't send it to the pixie dust department and have it 3d printed?

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Bwahahahaha my fave comment.

@cncgeneral

4 ай бұрын

I've worked with 3d printed equivalents and turbine components from the same assembly. You can optimise the 3d print more but at least with machining from billet you know exactly what you're getting and it's fast

A Ductile iron turbo pump...? please explain

When part 2 is coming

Can you imagine what Joseph Whitworth would say if we could show him a 5 axis CNC.

you better do some turning on that mill-turn

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Dude whyyyyyyyy. I am a MILL guy 😂. Fine. Fine. I will turn something.

why isn't cooling used on some of the machining?

🤯

I pretty sure you can not mill the hole, EDM, maybe, but that would be very tricky. Does anyone even make a 5 axis EDM ?

It will allow for the paint to stick....

Speaking of turbopumps, you guys ever machined Mondaloy? I hear it’s worse than inconel.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Speaking just for myself, no! I actually have never heard of it. There are a few materials i have been wanting, guess ill add that to my list along with iron meteorite and transparent aluminum.

I can do this by hand 😅❤❤❤❤

50 hours to finish this entire 5 axis job?

No 3D printing here. What company do he supply these shells to?

Im love my job but the management make me bad i dont know what to do aftzr 9 years doing great pièces

No coolant?

Rodnyey Dangerfield is back! "I get no respect"

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

I feel like you would understand me if i said this was a machinist version of the “triple lindy”

@bullsicory

5 ай бұрын

😂

Turbopump is cool. But why this material? Just a test pump?

Yeah guys, just wait another 6 months or so and we will show you the finnish. Longest cycle time of the industry on this part.

Why isn't there lubricant?

@supremecommander2398

5 ай бұрын

my guess is "for filming purpose" as usual. though not all operations need one with the right tools

@mehmettemel8725

5 ай бұрын

Dry machining of cast iron is better for the tools,otherwise you end up with an abrasive sludge.

Can CNC make another CNC?

You guys are still doing it? No wonder space parts are so expensive

В трубе как?

Could this part be 3D printed, then cleaned off in a CNC vertical mill?🤔🤔🤔🤔

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Yes! And it could also be cast and then finish machined. But sometimes it is cheaper to machine a single part from billet.

Is this a reupload?

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Its a compilation before the final vid. Just a recap.

Ductile iron?!? Not inconel????? Just asking for a friend 😂

@jmowreader9555

5 ай бұрын

Inconel presents four issues in a part like this. Issue 1: it is extremely expensive. Ductile iron will do the job for a lot less money. Issue 2: it's extremely hard to machine. An excellent machinist like Barry has no problem creating parts from ductile iron. Inconel makes problems for you if you don't have enough of them already. Issue 3: Inconel is heavier than ductile iron - .293 pounds per cubic inch for Inconel, .256 pounds per cubic inch for ductile iron. Rocket scientists worry about excessive grams because every gram your rocket weighs is a gram of lifting capacity you can't sell. Issue 4: Inconel's primary advantage over other metals is heat resistance. In the motor's thrust chamber? Perfect Inconel application. But...this is a propellant pump for a rocket. Blue Origin could flow one of three things through this - liquefied natural gas, liquid oxygen or liquid hydrogen - and the warmest one of the three is -260°F. All this has to deal with is pressure, and ductile iron does that well. In something like this, ductile iron is a good choice.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Man, i was laughing at the original question, but jmowreader literally gave a better answer than i ever could. Thanks homie

@somethingforeveryone2594

5 ай бұрын

@@jmowreader9555 I am an aeronautical engineer. You are talking out of your %%%% because you have no idea what the part is for.

@jmowreader9555

5 ай бұрын

@@barrysetzer No problem sir, I hope 2024 goes GREAT for you and all at Titans. BTW, are you folks planning to get into waterjet or CNC plasma cutting?

That chip evacuation under the Pallet changer at 2:48 is terrible. Is there some flushing that you guys didn't use? This open design doesn't look very lights out machining friendly.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

These machines are probably the worlds best when it comes to lights out. Thats why bmw, caterpillar, paccar, detroit diesel, ford, and pretty much every giant oem uses them. What you are seeing is a direct result of us turning coolant off for filming. And that includes all chip flushing

Why did you guys leave Fusion 360.. Nowadays it's much better than MasterCAM

No coolant 🤔

Why didn't you use lubricant for the tool that sounds terrible.

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

Coolant would not change the sound.

@Tigero3

5 ай бұрын

@barrysetzer I've had different experiences, but it's ok

These parts are produced by casting, not by milling! You have produced many bags of metal chips and used many tools

the design doesent look like it is optimized for CNC... looks like it is optimized for partly casting, or lathe machining, with welding

Could be worse, the sound of processing.

Or you 3d print it

ok

First!

А отливку отлить нельзя было, сколько ненужной работы сделано

What would we do without CNC...can you imagine how many hours it would take to manually machine a part like this, and the setups and fixturing....yikes.

@JaenEngineering

5 ай бұрын

Parts like this have existed long before CNC. The old school way is to get a foundry to produce a casting, then all you have to do is machine in the critical surfaces. In fact, that's still the way turbos are mass manufactured to this day.

@ericsandberg3167

5 ай бұрын

That's very true, and I know that for a fact since I designed castings for many years....the big difference is that you have to design the casting, then have the molds made, then make the fixtures to pick up the datums to start the critical surface machining and along the way xray the castings to make sure you didn't have any voids in it. The turn around time for us was 16 weeks, being able to take a large block of material and go straight from the CAD model to CAM to a finished part was a major cycle time saver especially in the prototype phase. @@JaenEngineering

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

@@ericsandberg3167hahaha i love it when people like you comment. To your point, a massive casting company quoted $12k for the prototype. But we could easily do it for $6k

REPEATED VIDEO...

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

This video is new. It is just a compilation of everything up to the finishing, which will be the next video. Kinda like how when you are netflix binging a series, and you get the recap at the start of the next episode.

Yourself is machinis not engineers...This is why yoi keep repeating videos .. You guys can do lots of creative things buh 😢

@barrysetzer

5 ай бұрын

We would love to hear what you would like to see us do! Let me know

Profoundly stupid idea. Just assemble it from what are evident parts in this assembly.

Вытачивать деталь из целого куска стали, изготовленную под технологию литья - это дорого и глупо.