I work in a small shop and all the parts I make are for in house assembly. so I can have periods where I have no work so I'd fill my time by speeding up my run times which just lead to longer periods with no work.

@Houcnc

Жыл бұрын

😂

@willemhaifetz-chen1588

Жыл бұрын

Sell that time obviously

@mikeorr9533

Жыл бұрын

The software does not work out fastest time...!!? Okay then.

@willemhaifetz-chen1588

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeorr9533 Factory settings are more safe to prevent maintenance, tool and material use...

@sudacaenny

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

I had a supervisor that used to do this, try and squeeze every tiny bit of time from the programme. Taking the tools to the absolute limit of their capabilities, which in theory is great, but unless your going to monitor the machine constantly, in case of tool failure, sometimes it's got to be better to loose a little time per part knowing that every part will be fine, than gaining some time but loosing it on tool breakage and sort outs

@MakeItWithCalvin

Жыл бұрын

This. Milling brass/aluminum is way more forgiving than stainless and titanium. I worked for a very short time for a shop that did Swiss work and took the max-setting suggestions as suggestions for high nickel stainless/titanium. In short, they burned tools left n right and I genuinely wondered if they really saved money with the scrapped parts.

@neiltonks

Жыл бұрын

@@MakeItWithCalvin brass is forgiving, depending on what type of is, aluminium is ok but can get 'sticky' on the tools if the cooling isn't ideal and the tool is being pushed to hard.

@mjodr

11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. You can speed it up just to the point of having a failure every 1,000 parts and not notice it. Then you lost all that time fixing it and getting it running again. I deal with the same thing on my 3D printer trying to reduce every second of print time. I tweak it so far it fails in the middle of a 8 hour print. Then I have to start all over again. So how much time did I save? lol

@MakeItWithCalvin

11 ай бұрын

@@mjodr Boom! You nailed it on the 3D printing side of things. People want speed, but then cry when the print reliability is crap. That's the price you pay pushing things.

@travistucker7317

11 ай бұрын

@@mjodr have you tried 150% infill line width at near your max volume flow?

mad respect to you guys for being dedicated to delivering free education and insight into machining at a high level

@sud9320

11 ай бұрын

I assume that making these video's is super expensive. What do you thing their motivations are? Are the channel and their sponsors just making these video's to get young people interested in CNC machining and other related careers? (It's working 🤣)

@taxicamel

11 ай бұрын

@@sud9320 I don't know about the "expensive" side. What is "super expensive"? The motivations is very likely to make more money from a different source ....KZread. "Benefit to others" would only be up to the audience. HOWEVER, standing in front of a machine not running, is "non-productive".....losing money ....lost machine time. .

@traviscrawford2664

6 ай бұрын

Tittyboy/owner is the only one doing okay(he is nearly free). The rest of these Jabronies, are lames. Only the owner is winning what so ever. Everyone else in these vids are broke assses

@cartoondog5

5 ай бұрын

Eh... too many assumptions, they might be waiting for a material shipment.@@taxicamel

Old school manual machinist here. Really neat to watch these incredibly amazing machines and the guys who are pros at running them. I do find it surprising that you don't get unacceptable dings in your finished parts, especially on the threads of heavy brass fittings, dropping into the bins the way they do.

@seanb9818

11 ай бұрын

It has a part catcher. You see it come in and clamp the part just as it's parting off then retracts. He also tries to change the time it takes for the part catcher to move from 0.4 seconds to 0.1 but it doesn't allow him as the minimum it can go is 0.2 seconds. I'm guessing once the catcher retracts it drops the part maybe 4" into the baskets which (again guessing) are on a conveyor. So they can be emptied when the machine is still running. So there's no time lost stopping to empty 1 full basket of parts every 5 minutes.

@cheatinggravity173

11 ай бұрын

@@seanb9818 ahhh, I gotcha, hadn't seen that. Makes sense now.

I used to set multi spindles many years ago, but instead of CNC they where cam operated and utilised form tools, our multi spindle bay were manufacturing millions of parts per week. Single spindle auto's were making olives 3 at a time with 6 second cycle

@TyBaumMTB

Жыл бұрын

Cam driven multispindles are very fast and still hold amazing tolerance. I used to design all the form tools, tool holding and setups for some. These CNC ones have a huge advantage though, fast setup/changeovers

@LordViktor299

Жыл бұрын

I currently work on that. Acme-gridly 6 spindle. I'm cranking out a dual delivery part. Cycle time of 6.7 seconds (divide in half cause of the dual delivery.) While this vid is awesome, you're right. I'm holding a 2 tenths of a tho tolerance. crapping out 900k in a few months.

@ringsofbravo

Жыл бұрын

I'm a davenport guy. We can get down to 2 seconds or so. But man they take a long time to set up

@MyAudioPipe

Жыл бұрын

In norway we have much faster speed pr part than this. 3 sec at some point depending at what wee was making. the gippring part have a cycle time of 1.3 sec that's cam machines. the index ms 40 cnc could make this par in this video at 5 sec may be faster. run it as a dual 4 spindel machine . if its not a special cut that i cant se.

@R2_D3

11 ай бұрын

Index 25's and Traub A25's, and other models of course, were/are king of high speed production!! Only ''problem'' is/was, calculating the curves on the cam plates and making the plates for a new part, and fine-tuning the cycle. But if it was done correct, it was blistering fast!! The good old days!!

In 1965, fresh out of High School, I got a job as an apprentice tool designer for a screw machine shop. The shop had about 30 multiple spindle screw machines, and a half dozen single spindle machines. I think the biggest were Acme-Gridley RA-8. 8 spindle behemoths, clouds of cutting oil and tons of chips. I only worked there about a year, then I worked for President Johnson, he was Commander in Chief, I was a Private.

Golly man, that machine is very advanced! I remember working at a shop and we were machining the exhaust elbows for Holset, they went on the dodge Cummins turbo diesels. We were required to get 20 parts an hour done, and I was always in competition with 2nd shift on who could get the most parts done per shift so I messed with the feeds and speeds on the machine and figured out I was able to get 30 parts an hour done without wearing down the inserts more. No wonder why my boss loved me, come to find out, I saved a lot of time for the cycle time of the parts 🤙🏽😉

It was amazing seeing this run in person while I was there and for Donnie giving us a personal explanation of it. Thank you Titan for allowing us to have a tour of your shop and too Trevor for giving us the amazing tour. Also thank you to the rest of the Titans for showing us everything you guys are doing and saying hi to us. Thanks Kyle

@donniehinske

Жыл бұрын

Thank YOU kyle! Also thanks for stopping by! 🤙

I always tell the people I train you can make bad parts just as fast as good ones lol

@POWER-LINKS

3 ай бұрын

It's either a usable PART, or it's junk. No such thing as a BAD part. It's how I was taught. (.005 tolerance to us actually meant .002-3 max)

I'm from South Africa and just love these videos

That was definitely worth the wait to see it make parts. That machine is insane with 7 seconds cycles. it just blow my mind. 🤯

It's crazy how intuitive that Tornos software is. Great job showing us what is possible with these amazing machines.

@stefan-bayer

Жыл бұрын

With an IT background the software looks outdated and could be even more intuitive from my impression. Not sure if this is the best of the best.

@st3althyone

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan-bayer I never said it was “the best of the best,” only that it is intuitive.

@stefan-bayer

Жыл бұрын

@@st3althyone Sorry, was not meant to sound mean from my side :) - just wanted to check if someone had the same impression that this could be improved more

@mjodr

11 ай бұрын

It looks the opposite of intuitive to me. Like Sefan said, it could have a way better UI. Especially having to close the editor windows to open up the variable definitions, just to have to go back again to edit. Like...make a pop-up of the definition when you hover over it? What year is this? lol...but I know why. They want ultimate reliability.

@st3althyone

11 ай бұрын

@@stefan-bayer I have no doubt that it could be improved, just like any other software.

Very impressive this machining so powerful it can only handle by barry

@donniehinske

Жыл бұрын

You spelled Donnie wrong

@suvajit_Dutta

Жыл бұрын

Just watch it and reply

@suvajit_Dutta

Жыл бұрын

@Donnie Hinske I just remembered the reaction in this video 🤣😂kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqZmlcSre93gnMo.html

@randywl8925

Жыл бұрын

​​@@donniehinske 😂😂😂 I was surprised he called you Barry because you're the only guy on Titan that's one Donnie wide. 😁 Edit: And one Donnie tall.

Been running a couple 8x26's for a few years now and about to get a third and they are wonderful machines. Get them setup correctly and they will just pump out parts. We've had it run a single part for weeks at a time with online minor offset changes.

Honestly this was a cool video. Not sure I'll ever be in the market for a multi-spindle Swiss-type machine, so it's nice to see a break down of some of the features as an onlooker.

@wannabecarguy

11 ай бұрын

Jobs like these go overseas.

@PraetexDesign

11 ай бұрын

@@wannabecarguy Not always.

My question is who wrote the original program and why was so much inefficiency written in to begin? Was it originally intended for a steel part? And why isn't there a master program or key parameter to set the program for the material used that would automatically optimize feed rates, spindle speeds and machine operations for the material chosen?

really cool to see the in-depth optimization

Always enjoy your videos Donny keep up the great work!

I used to make those parts on old oil cooled cam driven 6 spindle. Those things light up like an oil well until you kill the air. You have never seen so many calm people while something the size of a moving van is a raging inferno inside the building. Lol

I'm impressed with what these machines are capable of doing. I'm even more impressed at the brains of the company that designed and manufactured this machine!

Thank you 👍, as always Donnie's video = fun and super informative about swiss machining

After years of watching this channel I have come to find out titan has only hired geniuses

Sheesh! Great video Donnie! This is super impressive.

My collegues dont give a shit about cycle time, they like to hang on their phone and walk around

Impressive speechcraft, probably backed up by your knowledge as well. To many companies do things half heartedly. Efficiency & safety should always be the top keywords for any workphase.

Got to love those variables.

excellent, I'm always fighting to keep machine time down good stuff

Speeding up the program is all well and good, but how much undo ware are you putting on the machine. You may save a day, but how much time in downtime for machine failure. Plus, the tools have a max work speed. How many of them are over working. When they program these machines, they are all ready working at optimal speed

@BPond7

Жыл бұрын

Seeing as he’s cutting brass, I’d say it’s a non-issue.

@MarioAPN

Жыл бұрын

Well, when you are writting your code for that machine...

@supremecommander2398

Жыл бұрын

@@BPond7 in this case it may not... but its something he didn't cover in the video. those changes may have an impact on tool-life, and as such you eventually have to consider tool-change times too. in my past job i had to redesign an injection mold from pure mechanical sub-division demoulding to a hydraulic driven one, because they couldn't just write a better control-code for the machine to not accelerate/decelerate to fast for the couplings and whatnot. Being able to save cycletime just on the machine is a great feature...

@scottwatrous

Жыл бұрын

The defaults can sometimes be fairly conservative so that it can cover all bases as the person setting it doesn't know what will be going on in each specific case. It's up to a smart programmer to know when bringing times down won't cause problems, and bump things back up when they do. It could be that the ideal solution for something like this is to reduce certain dwells on specific ops where that will affect the end result but keep dwells longer on stations that can afford it without affecting total time, if doing so would improve reliability or so-on. Because saving 1 second might save a week but if it causes a 5 day downtime for maintenance (plus expenses) was it worth it? That said if running a cylinder harder means needing to be swapped out in 5 years instead of 7, but also means you get 7 years of parts done in 5, then it's worth it.

@BigDogEnergy-69420

Жыл бұрын

You can't even spell 'wear' correctly, how can you can even be trusted to predict and handle the wear characteristics of anything when your first solution is "just give up" before you've taken a single measurement or changed a single variable? Quitters like you are hilarious

This is sick. When i'm in the store and see parts like these where It's obvious they have been machined, I have always wondered how they were made efficiently.

I used to set up and run a Brown & Sharpe Automatic 2G Screw Machine .. Most of the parts I made were HIgh Speed Steel, punches. My goal was 300 parts a day average (including set ups) :)

Glad he knows what he is doing!

2:22 Is he wearing heelies?😂😂

@trumanhw

3 ай бұрын

exactly. I searched for others to find your comment via CMD+F of a 2 and a colon. wtf? you're the only other person aside from me who's weirded out by this? lol.

This guy has the brain of a computer its awesome to see him think and show how milli seconds means serious time

Used to mentor newby's and these were with newbys setting the tools and writing the program. I would have them set tool change speed to 1/4 of norm until they were comfortable with there settings and proved out there program. We only did short run parts and the average order was generally just several hours long. The manager didn't like me telling them that so 100% tool changes it was and there were some spectacular crashes. Crashing at 1/4 speed caused for less carnage but it wasn't my call heh heh.

We at my place whe use alfing ad400 on line 2 . We do the 6.6 duramax connecting rods. 4 parts per cycle. 53 sec a cycle. Super fast. Seeing this machine is amazing.

Superb machining sir

This guy should ask for a raise

i loved to work on index ms32p, its littel bit diffrent then the Torno’s MultiSWISS.

Unbelievable. Machining is amazing.

If i had that at my old shop I would have increased the cycle time by 4 seconds. When the boss made a dollar, i made a dime.

This stuff blows my mind, I wish I would have gotten into machining years ago. Super cool stuff!!

If you reduce the timer. Then I guess that the pressure between the part and the tool will be higher. Then how do you select the appropriate operation time to avoid damaging your tool?

Loved the video! One question, how does the machine get the material? keep up the amazing videos!

I wonder were all my red bulls went..... Oh yea, DONNIE drank them all. COOL VID, DUDES

Looks like a good application for optimization algorithms/"AI" - although it seems surprising that the CAD software doesn't include that already - perhaps it's trading off speed for tool durability or probability of failure?

@stefan-bayer

Жыл бұрын

Yes totally agree. Was wondering about the same in my comment, coming from an IT background. Also the whole UI looks somewhat dated, can someone comment, is this state of the art?

@srck4035

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan-bayer it's normal for cnc machines to run somewhat old looking software. Stuff needs to be 100 percent bug free or crashes will happen and they are costly and dangerous. We have machines from 2018 with ui that looks like windows 98

@stefan-bayer

Жыл бұрын

@@srck4035 I understand the point you are coming from. I will argue the lack of startup made it this way because the R&D needed to start in the machining industry is very high so until now no real innovative startup has competed. But a well design UI is not prone to have more errors. The better UI just improves the operators error so this would go hand in hand normally if the industry leaders would not be that “ancient”. But that’s just my impression

@srck4035

Жыл бұрын

@@stefan-bayer just saying it takes ages to test the ui. Imagine one bit flip from. 0.1mm to 10mm. Crash.

@nickbell3546

Жыл бұрын

Good input, although this would not be possible with EAR and ITAR parts as the part dimensions are national security. You would need a localized AI server that is ITAR controlled/not connected to the internet.

Years ago I did some electrical work in a shop that had maybe 12 screw machines. I noticed they had some stubby left hand drill bits so I had to ask where they use them. To!d me right after an operation that was turning CCW. with the older machines thought they to!d me they save a full second from not having to stop machine then reverse rotation.

This is the kind of optimization that artificial intelligence systems could excel especially with integration into an overall production line

You should show / explain the process of keeping a machine like this filled with material. Do you have down time every 20 minutes or whatever to load 8 more sticks of brass in?

It would be nice to be able to expand my education because every shop here dont have machines or parts to actually learn anything new. It would be nice to expand my horizon.! Love the videos

I always enjoyed TB Deco. I have seen lots of people struggle with it.

@j-dog2231

Жыл бұрын

i like TB deco its pretty easy to understand

Gives me inspiration

Cool excited to show you how to be a badass you're killing me here dude what's Titans video I've seen

So is this considered a conversational machine then Donnie ? Looks a lot like it, never seen a machine where all the tool paths are running off off variables. This is a headache 😂but looks to make editing programs on the fly way faster.

@donniehinske

Жыл бұрын

No it’s not conversational. It outputs a template for you to add the cutting toolpaths. That’s all you typically have to add tho. It’s one of the easiest ways to do a 8 spindle in my opinion because all the staging is done for you. All of the cutoff operations were in there before I started. I only added like 10% of what you are seeing on the screen

Love this guy 1000 words a mins

Back in the 70s I ran a multi spindle chucker. No CNC or computer. Young people don’t realize that things were made without computers and made quite fast.

Did he slide up to the camera on heelies? 🤣. My dawg!

nice work. hopefully the tools will stay fine as long as they do before ;) how long does it take to setup this part manufacturing on the 8 spindle? (Programming and Tool setup) TY and chip on!

Ok heavily thinking about a Swiss machine now!

Well done !

10:43 Donnie Donald is Living on the edge

Don't get me wrong I love these vids, I just wish the intensity went down like 2 notches.

Donnie, nice job explaining the software, my question to you is how long does it take to write the program for an operation like that?

@drafty0183

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention to set the tooling. Mind you, they have a pretty efficient way of setting offsets (touch setters etc) quite quickly on each tool.

@mjodr

11 ай бұрын

It would take me more than a week to get the initial program set up, so throw that whole week of time gained away, lol.

@Azure1Zero4

11 ай бұрын

When you do large and long part run with a machine like he's using. Long setup time and programming is really a small percentage of the total time you save. He's doing what would takes a single feed swiss lathe a min in 7 seconds.

We always speed up our programs to failure then back off just back to safeish. Silly things like retract amounts make big differences. Especially removing unnecessary axis movements can save big chunks of time. When I’m training rookies I keep pulling the air hose out of their hands. You don’t touch that till you’ve hit start on the next part. Kids these days are terrified of getting dirty.

I'm thinking formtool, get the EDM guys to make a carbide tool for all the OD work. The machine is awesome!!!!

Question... Are those variables stored with the program, or with the machine? Once Donnie changes the dwell time on the parts catcher, does that mean this can never be sped up further on any other part? Or is it only changed within this program?

@silent_tofu7921

11 ай бұрын

It's stored in the machine, but you can always set up a program to reinitialize your variables for a particular part.

Donny is so epic. :D cool machine too..

This MF HEELY'd over during the transition! LMAO that is fantastic.

What is extremely weird: The fastest machines are still analog. Driven by cam disks and gears! o.o I also didn't believe that at first, but these beasts are still made in a high tech plant in northern Italy (I've been there) and they run a lot of parts for the automotive industry. Sometimes with sub second cycle times. Of course, they have other insane drawbacks like changeover times and modularity.

Most machine shops are not running a 1 million PO. Most machine shops don't have a 8 spindle lathes. It would be nice.

So this is basically MS Project for CNC machines, interesting!

Curious what Titans of CNC Machining thinks of Shars Tool Company???? Nice videos as always. 🤙🏽

A part every 7 seconds. But the actual time per part is longer. The cycle time is seven seconds per index. What type of index mechanism. We used to run 6 spindle Baird indexing lathes to machine pistons. All mechanical. Face the piston head. Turn the top of the piston to size. Rough turn the skirt. Cut all three grooves. Station 1 load part. Stations 2 thru 5 machining. Station 6 unload. Cycle time was around 6 seconds. Yhen the parts wrnt into a transfer line to bore the wrist pin bore, machine the oil drain backs and turn the skirt to finish size. The skirts where eliptical. I'll let you figure out how we did that. With the piston stationary

This is awesome

Saving 2 days for a half mil unit job just from cutting off 300ms is NUTS.

super interesting👍👍

Id be happy with the income from recycling the chips coming off

Can the software be run on a desktop in a more ergonomic position, but also so it can be developed while the machine is doing another job? Even better if there was simulator so you can watch what the machine would actually be doing before any material has to be run.

Now we are machining 🥳

this whole video "this could be dangerous, heres how to do it."

Brilliant, hope the customer knows how long it takes to make lol

Nice, that’s how you use that thing!

"Boom!" is catching.

Definitely a faster setup than old schools wickman 6 spindle 😂

Your machining is my vision I want to raise my factory and utube channel~!

Wow those are like davenport times😮

Now step your game up even further with an Index MultiSpindle. You could likely double drop that same part in the same amount of time doubling your productivity

Crazy damn engineering

NINE channel? holy moly

I am just so glad that machine runs at lightening speed but I'm having trouble keeping up with YOU🤨....... I just do not listen that fast,😮‍💨..... but great presentation !😁.

@gt40f

Жыл бұрын

Click on the KZread settings gear and slow down the speed

How might this fail if you pushed these timings to fast (and the software did not catch it and stop you)? Would it simply result in wasted parts that were not made to spec, or could it damage the (presumably exceedingly expensive) CNC machine you are running? In other words, what are the stakes here?

@travistucker7317

11 ай бұрын

In this instance, i think running a spindle into the parts catcher is the most likely issue. That would be bad, could be very bad. A spindle for that machine might be 50k and take a week to replace, maybe more. Probably need a tool catcher, too. The spindle hitting things, or things hitting the spindle can happen with all machines, and is always bad, and often expensive.

wont the tools dull quicker in theory too? for a machine like this would you change out every tooling at once or do some last longer than others

@berniepragle948

10 ай бұрын

Tool wear isn't too big of a problem on brass parts, esp with carbide tooling. Some tools in the setup last longer than others. Generally related to stock removal.

@codorin

10 ай бұрын

Each tool has its own tool life count. Tool life can vary widely. Example ee have taps that are done at 300 and reamers that go 3000. Material, feed rate, the tool material, the coolant, spindle speed, all have an effect on tool life.

Keep your arms still man!

Find the sweet spot and let it eat is the fastest way. Less down time due to wear and tear. Plus tool last much longer.

The machine may finish a part every 7 seconds, but it takes 56 seconds to make a part.

What’s the cam software that is used for this machine?

@El_Indio_Juan_Diego_

Жыл бұрын

Tb deco you program by hand on the machine or your computer but the macros make it a breeze to jump into it

Why is it running with TB deco and not with tisis?

@j-dog2231

Жыл бұрын

its just what the multi-spindles run on

Would just increasing spindle revs speed up production?

@srck4035

Жыл бұрын

At some speed there's a limit where you burn up the tools

@dale0104

Жыл бұрын

And there's also a point where acceleration and deacceleration take longer than just holding a lower RPM cap.

@drafty0183

11 ай бұрын

@@dale0104 Specially when you're doing small parts, the rpm can get pretty high. The spool up and spool down times seem to take ages.

@CapOfXav

11 ай бұрын

@@srck4035 But what a nice gif you could make of the machine running on full burnout speed, even if it crashes into 3 revolutions :D

Is this machine running bar stock or ground stock? Charles

@donniehinske

Жыл бұрын

Just regular stock

@465maltbie

Жыл бұрын

@@donniehinske Thanks, have a great week.

Worker nightmares comes to live, 10sec cycle time 😂😂😂

I might not be correct here, but I assume that each part has to stay in each position for 8 seconds, due to the longest position taking 8 seconds, which is 64 seconds to make one part, excluding rotation time to the next position, since it’s unknown in the video. To make 500,000 parts at 8 seconds per position, 500,000 X 8 X 8 / 3600 / 24= 370 Days To make 500,000 parts at 7 seconds per position, 500,000 X 7 X 8 / 3600 / 24= 324 Days So by cutting 8 seconds per part you make the job 46 days shorter, and that is a lot of money saved.

@TITANSofCNC

Жыл бұрын

Each tool might take a single second… more or less. And all cuts happen at the same time. Spindles rotate and the process repeats. 7 seconds later, the part is done on the last spindle.

@brokentusk5033

Жыл бұрын

@@TITANSofCNC That is fast. I also relies that my logic was wrong, even if it took 8 seconds per spindle, it would still produce a part every 8 seconds, not 64 seconds that I used in my math.

@D3kKromb0x

11 ай бұрын

@@brokentusk5033 The way to think of it is that the machine ejects one fully finished part every 7 seconds, it just accomplishes this by working on 8 parts at a time for no longer than 7 seconds per operation in what is essentially an assembly line. So the time from starting a single part to ejecting it is 56 seconds, but because 8 are running in parallel you divide by 8 to get the overall line rate.

@MegaCabCummins6

11 ай бұрын

@@TITANSofCNC Can you shoot a video from start to finish raw stock to finish part in real time? That is some really cool software. Reminds me of the Fagor controller.