Why couldn’t Toyota just install hydrogen fuel stations at their dealerships

@apegues

3 жыл бұрын

They can and I’m sure they are doing some market research to see if this car will sell well enough to justify the expense... remember the Sony Betamax

@cybertrk

3 жыл бұрын

It cost about 10x the price of a gas station.

@srf7588

3 жыл бұрын

Here in Japan is full of H2 stations but also tank trucks stations that you can find in the navigation system (I think they can also come to your place of you call them), and Toyota promised the H2 price will be 1/5 of the actual price in the very near future.

@paperhouse6282

3 жыл бұрын

They are afraid to blow up their dealer

@Menga213

3 жыл бұрын

@@srf7588 send me a link. I will like to post it and advertise it.

The other day I I was stopped at an intersection then suddenly I noticed a hydrogen car pee on the streets. At that moment I realized I was in the future.

@awakenedone7577

3 жыл бұрын

What a weird way to say it

@adithyanaidu4713

3 жыл бұрын

Its better than filling air with carbon monoxide and nitrogen oxides

I would get one if I had a fueling station around me.

@explosivemallard8038

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even without the included $15k worth of fuel, it’s still 60% cheaper per mile than my current car. $70 for 400 miles is really quite good. If gas is $3 per gallon in your area, fueling this car would be cheaper as long as your vehicle gets 17 or less mpg. That doesn’t sound great, but I currently get 15, and gas prices are only going to go up. Hydrogen prices are likely going to go down if this fuel becomes more widely used.

@alejandroperalta1982

3 жыл бұрын

@@explosivemallard8038 exactly,as everything new it's expensive I remember my first LCD tv 32 inches cost me 1500 thousand today you can buy a 65 inch for 500 hundred.

@explosivemallard8038

3 жыл бұрын

@@alejandroperalta1982 Although that’s pretty different market and industry situation, your example was extraordinarily relatable and proves the point well. Well said!

@alejandroperalta1982

3 жыл бұрын

@@explosivemallard8038 thanks! I know they are different but at least you understand my point 😁.

@red4age

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking at the 1st gen and those are going between 7-8k all day so that's also a plus for me.

I saw one of these recently for the first time. I must say this looks a lot more sleek and nicer in person. Also the blue paint the car had was so beautiful.

The issue of the fueling station can be solved easily by using them for public transport and taxi fleet through legislation. Vehicles like this are the future, glad to see mainstream car makers like Toyota and hyundai stepping up. Japan is pushing for this, simply because they don't want to switch from petroleum to rare earth elements, both of which they have to import That's how cng (natural gas) vehicles became mainstream in many countries across the world, they setup the infrastructure to replace their diesel buses, and then allowing the taxis and later private vehicles to use them as fuel stations as well

I’m more interested in this car than any electric.

@valderon3692

3 жыл бұрын

You must be a lot smaller than me as I feel claustrophobic just looking at this car. Toyota made the same mistake with the Prius shrinking down the interior space. They are not comfortable cars for taller people. My Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than the Mirai and was half the price when new. It's also nice not to ever have to think about fuel in an EV. In the Mirai you are limited to where there is a fuel station nearby. Currently the closest Hydrogen station to me is 350 miles away but I have an electrical outlet 2 feet away.

@android-ud2nf

3 жыл бұрын

Valderon I’m 6’3

@samuraijosh1595

2 жыл бұрын

@@valderon3692 I mean, I think they're made keeping the Japanese market in mind.... These cars fit well for the Japanese..

@mister_dave1184

2 жыл бұрын

@@valderon3692 everything you said was invalidated when you said you owned a Chevy, lol

@valderon3692

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuraijosh1595 Do they? I think if EV's were a good fit for anywhere it would be Japan. How many Japanese people really drive more than 200-250 miles per day? A hydrogen car is pointless in Japan.

This is the future!!! I want one of these

In Aberdeen Scotland, we have a fleet of Hydrogen buses. They are amazing, so quiet compared to the diesels. Plus we have two Hydrogen filling stations that are available to the public (apparently, i don't use them so i'm not sure). I think hydrogen is the future for heavy vehicles, long distance traveling and people with no off street parking.

@jeettrivedii

Жыл бұрын

If it's for long distance traveling then why not use it for short distances too?

I live in the Bay Area of california, there seems to be a hydrogen fueling everywhere. Not sure I have ever seen a Murai in the wild however... Lots of hydrogen buses though.

@JackHandelman

2 жыл бұрын

Same bro

@sromagazine1

2 жыл бұрын

There is a Hydrogen station in San Ramon, but I heard it's been out of order for the last 8 weeks.

@MG-jv7pe

2 жыл бұрын

Same! And it looks like toyota is giving a $4K rebate on the mirai along w $15K in refill credits, in addition to the $8K federal tax credit & $4K California tax credit.

@viniciusreboucas6099

2 жыл бұрын

@@MG-jv7pe and also 0% apr for 72months.. dam

I have two of them. We love them. As soon as the 15k free fuel is done... Will trade them in. Plenty of power, drivers very nice. I do live in Cali so fuel is no issue. Great video.

@RayNLA

Ай бұрын

Are you close to trading them?

Great review Tommy. Thank you.

I can just imagine the roads turning into a gigantic ice skating rink by 9am if they were full of these in the winter.

@gl4989

3 жыл бұрын

Damn good point. Might be an issue where I live

@andreisipitca5835

3 жыл бұрын

I think it is not so difficult to collect that water.. this is not the biggest problem.. Production of the Hydrogen is very expensive, this is very big problem..

@scottkolaya2110

3 жыл бұрын

@@andreisipitca5835 Right, although in the winter, you have to keep it heated as to not freeze up the collection system which isn't that hard since over 40% of the H2's energy goes to heat rather than driving the wheels, but you'd need to release it somewhere strategically before you park on a 0° day. The expense is another way to say inefficient because of course if it was efficient to make H2, it wouldn't cost that much.

I agree with that, we need more options in the alt fuel vehicle arena!

@michaelkeudel8770

2 жыл бұрын

Except the hydrogen comes from steam reforming natural gas, which comes from the oil companies. Wastes tons of energy to convert.

@jeettrivedii

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelkeudel8770 Technology is new but that doesn't mean the problems it brings can't be solved. Same happened with EVs but they create more waste don't they?

@michaelkeudel8770

Жыл бұрын

@@jeettrivedii the technology for USING hydrogen isn't the problem, creating the hydrogen itself IS the problem, and until you can make it cheaper than just dumping the energy directly into a battery, it will never go anywhere. Right now over 90% of the Hydrogen out there is made from steam reforming methane. You need energy to create the steam, and more energy to drill and access the methane, another fuel source, to create Hydrogen. you lose almost 70% of the energy to create the hydrogen, very inefficient.

Absolutely beautiful car. It's just a shame there's not more hydro stations. Also one negative would be the water coming out in the winter when driving, instant freeze.

@davidbowerman6433

Жыл бұрын

they had test units for a long time now. BP gas in Omaha actually had a fleet of them. They work just fine in the winter. But they did have to be plugged in back then to 110vac to keep stack warmed. Otherwise, its a 15 min wait for it to be drivable.

In my view this isn’t a hydrogen versus electric. These two are the future, hydrogen makes a lot of sense for long distance drivers, and people in cold climates. While electric cars make soo much more sense for the average person.

@faststang85

2 жыл бұрын

I could get a little more into hydrogen powered cars than this stupid fad of battery electric. I guess it will take more wrecks and cars completely engulfed in flames from batteries on fire, not to mention the toxic fumes to get them finally gone and out of the picture forever.

@mister_dave1184

2 жыл бұрын

Hydrogen should be the future due to range and electrical grid issues. Not to mention the toxic mining process of lithium. But average people and politicians can't see or don't care what happens next.

@Powderlover1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mister_dave1184 no. On the whole electric is still the better option, and lithium mining effects a local area, that’s not great, but better than global climate destruction with ICEs

@mister_dave1184

2 жыл бұрын

@@Powderlover1 yeah, I don't think that us the cause

i think battery ev will dominate for passenger and light duty vehicles, but larger long haul applications will use hydrogen.. electric planes will use hydrogen for sure

@TheSchwiz

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe not. Way less oxygen at 30K feet

@jamesbeaman6337

3 жыл бұрын

@@norsevikingsir4932 they may not have to dump that water if they can capture it for other uses on board.

@k1fizz

3 жыл бұрын

You're right. The weight of batteries is too heavy for aircraft or cargo ships. They will need a different alternative fuel and hydrogen seems like the most likely fuel.

@joshkiej6601

3 жыл бұрын

diesel won't go anywhere for the coming 10-20 years in heavy duty trucks. hydrogen might come along but it still won't have the same sales numbers as diesel. diesel and hydrogen are about as energy efficient well to wheel but the hydrogen system tends to weigh quite a bit more than a diesel engine

@wzDH106

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbeaman6337 That would be a wise design. Probably eliminate the potable water refilling infrastructure at airports. Coffee and espresso machines may need potable water though, for the minerals I guess.

Impressive stuff. Our main daily is a 2020:RAV4 hybrid so would love to see this tech, with a bit more oomph, in a comparable vehicle soon.

@tacitus539

3 жыл бұрын

If you want oomph, check out the Hyperion XP-1.

Thank you for the 'Leaf' reference.

Great overview. Thank you very much and God bless you.

Notice the expiration date of the hydrogen tanks inside the fuel door. They cost thousands to replace. The hydrogen eventually degrades the structural integrity of the tanks. Not all of the bugs are worked out yet.

@emanuelnuriega3281

4 ай бұрын

Even in the early stage of H2 technology, the tanks will last immeasurably longer than the stupid tesla battery that will need replacement in 6-8 years and costs 20K as of today.

Owning a electric car and 99% time we charge in the garage and at night , no waiting on chargers and I’m sure I’m not alone in this

@mowcowbell

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed... I've owned my Honda Clarity PHEV for 2 years and have never waited on charging. Plug it in a night, wake up to a fully charged vehicle.

@tacitus539

3 жыл бұрын

Apartment dwellers don’t have that luxury. BEV may be the right choice for some, but there is a place for FCEV as well.

@hamsterbrigade

3 жыл бұрын

First off, a lot of people live in apartments and condos, but thanks for basically saying you only think of people who are exactly like you. Also, you're saying you never travel more than a single charge, apparently all these people camped out at charging stations are a myth.

@mowcowbell

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamsterbrigade No myth, but you mainly see campers at charging stations in CA. In my city, the Tesla supercharger is usually deserted.

@johnlagoudes4397

3 жыл бұрын

@@tacitus539 for now. But just think of the future. Either all electric or hydrogen vehicles. It’s easier and cheaper to install electric charging stations everywhere for electric cars. So eventually you will see charging stations along the sidewalk curbs in cities for the apartment dwellers. I don’t see many companies investing in the hydrogen infrastructure as it will involve trillions of dollars to get it all across the country. Electric is the future.

Sorry but this looks like a paid advertisement than being a review. You got me at "purge" button. Coolest tech ever I guess.

@TFLcar

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, never paid for by any car manufacturer. We can’t and won’t accept payment

@teknikbil

3 жыл бұрын

@@TFLcar If you actually can't see that hydrogen makes absolutely zero sense for passenger vehicles then that is worse. The car's build quality and ride comfort has nothing to do with hydrogen tech btw.

@macberry4048

3 жыл бұрын

A technology that produces clean water is amazing but it's in the same catagory as the rotary engine. It's amazing but impractical.

@JayMcKinsey

2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLcar They shipped a car to you for a week in which you were allowed to make a video that you make money off of. How is that not a transfer of value, aka payment, to you? If you say bad things they won't ship the next new model to you. Especially liked your rant about the weight of an EV battery without comparison to the weight of the Mirai. The Mirai weighs 220 to 300lbs. more than a Model 3LR.

These look so good going down the road, I just saw one. Way better looking than previous generation

Very informative I have a prius plug in and would consider changing but there are only 11 Hydrogen filling stations in the UK and my nearest station is 37 miles from my home so I would only really have 300 miles of driving around as the drive to refuel and the drive home would be around 75 miles used off the cars range

i live near a toyoda regional office with a hydrogen station and there is always a line, due to low number. has to service toyoda and hondas. also seen the station down for weeks and not sure where customer got to refill.

Imagine a hydrogen fuel cell camper trailer that would give your i3 a 2000 mile range!? ... or an off road trailer that would do the same with a Bollinger or Rivian.

It's good to see Hydrogen tech taking another swing at things. The refuel convenience proposition could make it a strong contender if the refuelling network comes to support it.

@nextleveljourney6612

3 жыл бұрын

Their fueling stations have been 💥 exploding 💥 😱 2 in Japan 1 in Europe (Japan govt is threatening to pull their grants and doubling down on their expectations)

@edwardpeters4700

3 жыл бұрын

@@nextleveljourney6612 I wonder what the backstories are behind these events. New tech inevitably brings up new problems.

Oh I saw one for sale used in Lenoir NC of all places

If they can get a big nationwide network of hydrogen stations to actually keep the tank full i believe this is the way to go full electric

@alejandroperalta1982

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking electric cars sounds good,but if you don't have enough juice how long you have to wait to charge? This is like gasoline,you stop and go.

@kahless0173

3 жыл бұрын

Super capacitors would make a huge difference but for automotive use they're in their infancy

@alejandroperalta1982

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 I dont mind I will be driving 1 car only not five.

@alejandroperalta1982

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 oooh got you,yes because this is all new we not going to have enough stations.

@alejandroperalta1982

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 honestly none.

Still watching you guys from nz :) hello

True Green Hybrid SUV: 15kw plugin battery (>110km range) with efficient regenerative breaking, ultra high capacity >1.5kw solar top on roof & bonnet and small hydrogen 4kg tank (>350km range) for light-weight & cost-effective green hybrid FCEV (>600km range) under $25k or ₹200k..!!

So Tommy, If there are no Hydrogen filling stations in Colorado, where did that one get filled? Was it trucked in full, and trucked back empty?

I wonder what the highway department will think in the winter when your adding ice to the road.

@Kimbrough87

3 жыл бұрын

They won’t sell this car where there is a winter.

@connermcgarrah2171

3 жыл бұрын

It’s so minimal that’s not a problem

@Thoughmuchistaken

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kimbrough87 The previous Mirai was sold in Quebec and so is this new one, Norway as well.

@Kimbrough87

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thoughmuchistaken i’m speaking on the behalf of United States of America 🇺🇸

@ivan-tk4ib

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kimbrough87 yeah, the only country in the world

A major issue with hydrogen is that making it takes a lot of energy. There’s no free lunch. Our future will be a mix of propulsion. Nice video, however. Keep up the good work!

@michaelangove9841

3 жыл бұрын

Once H2 is produced with surplus renewables it will be pretty close to a free lunch. H2 allows batteries to be small, which is the key to sustainability.

@PeteLenz

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, it’s just absurd and will never go anywhere.

what did it say on the fuel door about not filling after some date? How much to get it fixed to work after that date?

Just laid out the framing for the Nikola Semi yesterday apparently so hydrogen fueling stations look very much for real quite suddenly which is great news for this car.

Norway has been pretty quite since the hydrogen filling station exploded about 1 year or so ago and a USA station also

@prime8nate

3 жыл бұрын

There was an explosion of a hydrogen tank in South Korea in 2019 and Koreans are protesting any plans on building new hydrogen filling stations there. I just don't see this technology taking off.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 there is nowhere on earth where a government is pulling back on h2 stations.

@paperhouse6282

3 жыл бұрын

The explosion even destroyed dozens of houses in the vicinity

@samuraijosh1595

2 жыл бұрын

@@prime8nate bruh, gasoline-triggered explosions far outnumber the hydrogen counterparts....stop capping.

@prime8nate

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuraijosh1595 Bruh - the explosions might be more because gas being stored is a hell of a lot more than hydrogen. Totally not capping, bruh. Pass the jay.

Kinda curious how TFL is filling up the car since they're in Colorado.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

There is no place that doesn’t have h2 for sale.

@anajosefinaglereancaetano425

3 жыл бұрын

Where they charged the car?

@amandahuginkiss4098

3 жыл бұрын

There are no public feeling stations but its possible some fleet trucks use them and have their own refuelling points and maybe they have an agreement to use it. I don't know for sure.

@701983

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulbedichek5177 Maybe, but at 10.000 psi? And a fitting nozzle?

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@701983 public stations are in Ca, you could fill it up anywhere on Earth , for the right price, you can have a home h2 installed, Toyota won’t sell them outside Ca, Japan and Eu. Even if you live in Ca, you should live near a station.

The truck version would be great with the stations to support it. End the clean towing range anxiety issue.

looks gorgeous I just hope they put more hydrogen stations so we can buy them in future

I would much rather have this than a Tesla. I wish this design language would trickle down the Toyota lineup because the car looks gorgeous.

@moneyparhar

3 жыл бұрын

This looks hideous

@FishFind3000

3 жыл бұрын

Toyota never makes good looking cars

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@FishFind3000 The Mirai is gorgeous.

@FishFind3000

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulbedichek5177 not to me it isnt

Imagine a car where you can just pull up to a pump, and in less than 10 minutes, have hundreds of miles of range and can just park it for potentially months or more and it will start up and still give you that same range. Imagine a car where you could leave it in a field abandoned for decades and it won’t contaminate ground water with heavy metals. Imagine a car that you can drive for decades with a little maintenance and pass down to your children. If only this existed. Wait, the government and media tells me we can’t have those anymore.

@RobertCone

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 Huh? They were referring to the ICE.

@RobertCone

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 he's probably just been watching too much Vice Grip Garage.

@user-yj9hq8sq5y

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 do you really need that much luck with replacing the battery?

@superlight47

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 it seem you so oppose to hydrogen you jumpy at that opportunity to try discredit it. By the way what did you say about, "wait 30 minutes for the compressor to charge up to compress the gas." that make me laugh out and rolling here 🤣🤣🤣🤣. How long it take to charge an AV again?

@superlight47

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 Lol I never heard of any reported case of any hydrogen car taking 30 min to fuel up. A matter of fact not even half of 2000 psi is needed to fuel a hydrogen car. Maybe you need to take a trip to a hydrogen fuel station and read the stated psi or look at the notice on fuel cap door for the car, it will tell you the psi in which the fuel pressure will be, and it is not even 100 psi. It take just as long to fuel a hydrogen as it take a gasoline car to fuel up, and hydrogen can be transport just as gasoline is transported, so I do not know what pipeline in city you are talking about. I think you just Anti Hydrogen finding a case against it to promote what you more in loved or in favor with. I wont be surprise if you just turn out to be a Tesla fanboy. Tesla do a great job on their EV do. In our world it good to have choses and not having government or anyone making choice for you, or force their choice on you. I for one do not care for pure EV, but I will not discourage anyone that want an EV or make their choice for Hydrogen or ICE vehicle. It their right to choose what in their best interest that fit their life style.

In the early 2000s, the market was teetering between electric cars and hydrogen fuel cell cars. The federal government decided to subsidize full electric instead of hydrogen. They chose poorly.

Just got one, loving it. Closest fuel station 2.7 miles

I always felt that fuel cells were the future. I guess it’s easier to put charging stations up across the US then hydrogen stations?

@michaelkeudel8770

2 жыл бұрын

The hydrogen is made by reforming natural gas, there isn't enough supply to support the vehicles without wasting tons of other energy sources. You can use the electricity and charge the battery, or use that same electricity to create the hydrogen, and also use up natural gas, so that the hydrogen you create can be converted yet again into electricity. It's cool, but very wasteful to convert from one source of energy to another. This is why a battery powered car will always be cheaper.

Please tell me why i should pay 70K Euros for a slow and cumbersome Toyota that costs me 15 Euros for 100km hydrogen and where i have to travel around 120 km to the next hydrogen station - and back home again. When the alternative is a fun car that costs me 60K Euros, has 0-100 kph in 3.9 seconds and uses 2,40 Euros per 100 km in electricity which i can charge @ home. And please no mention of the oh so fine "engineering" of hydrogen fuel cells. They are older then Li-Ion batteries. Much MUCH older.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

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@hutotuto1675

3 жыл бұрын

In long run EV needs replace expensive battery.

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 жыл бұрын

​@@hutotuto1675 No. Ok a bit more information why not: My battery has a range of around 450km. Times 1500 - thats on the low end of possible cycles that would be 675.000 km I do not think i will drive my car for 675.000km. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Those numbers are correct and repeatable and proofable. I have 83000km and about 4,8% degredation. That wold mean for 70% capacity left i can drive up to 518.000 km. (Actually more because the capacity loss in the first 3 months is more then the rest of the time). Thats because i don't tend to my battery. I charge it and i use it. Many times a week. I stress it. In cold or in warm weather, in -15 degress celsisu and in +35 (we don't get mopre). Because i have bought my car for a max. of 320,000km of battery and drive train capacity. And still i'm more then 50% above that self set limit. The short answer to your comment is: No.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

You have to pay vat otherwise they are $50k

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 batteries only last 12 years.

B4 mass produce FCEV , manufacturers need to take into consideration the owner ease of reach to H2 pump stations too. Few minutes refuel time is not good enough if no pumps available in your city or town.

How did you fill the Mirai with H2 in Boulder, CO if you do not have a H2 station there? FC vehicles have huge technology advantages for medium to heavy-duty vehicles. For light ones???

I don’t get the lower weight argument for hydrogen cars. This Mirai is about 800 Ib Heavier then a Model 3.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

700 lbs less than an S less expensive vastly lower carbon footprint and quicker refueling.

@DuesenbergJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulbedichek5177 a Mirai is no way comparable to a model S in other then length and price. The hydrogen technology takes a loot of space so you get a big car with minimum interior space. In performance and interior space it’s more like a VW ID 3.

@ati573

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuesenbergJ its better for the environment all around. Speed means nothing. And except to the cop that gives you a ticket. 😂

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuesenbergJ model S sales have cratered, Mirai sales should be on an upward trend if they actually start delivering them. So far I’ve seen a story of one car delivered, they are late.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@DuesenbergJ bevs have enormous carbon footprint Facebook are no way comparable, much cleaner, as smaller lion. Both are needed.

The other problem with H2 is that most of it is being manufactured from natural gas. Thus it generates greenhouse gasses. Also, the transport of H2 causes more pollution. You are neglecting to mention these significant downsides.

@ociabi

3 жыл бұрын

Proof?

@Byronseto

3 жыл бұрын

@@ociabi Unless you are piping your hydrogen to a refueling station, you need to truck your hydrogen. While for BEV, electricity goes through existing power lines. As for the manufactured from natural gas, you can read more here: www.eia.gov/energyexplained/hydrogen/production-of-hydrogen.php But you can just google things like "how do we create hydrogen"

@amandahuginkiss4098

3 жыл бұрын

And electricity cause greenhouse gases as well. 20% of USA electricity still comes from coal. Natural gas is a cleaner option. 1% of USA electricity also comes from cutting down trees and burning them. As well the electric infrastructure could not currently handle it if everyone suddenly switched to battery electric cars. Hydrogen doesn't have to be produced from natural gas there are other ways, just as electricity doesn't have to come from burning coal. There is no magic bullet to stop greenhouse gases, just small steps

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

Most current is from coal and gas, eliminate all devopment on bevs until electricity is 100% nuclear and renewable, then you may mention the footprint of h2

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

Electricity is made from coal when the world gets to zero coal then you may tout bevs till then fcev are a path to lower carbon

An 80's vintage movie - Blade Runner (Harrison Ford) - had a subtheme of hydrogen powered flying vehicles. LA was turned into a rainy mess due to the water exhaust. This hydrogen technology is definitely the way to go, not only for powering cars but large scale for homes. Power plants generating power in CA would produce enough water for crops and general use (duh!). Of course special interests will fight it all the way - easier to take water from the Colorado river.

I agree with you. I would buy that if ifrustructure was up. That seems as clean as it can be.

@tepetti

3 жыл бұрын

Except hydrogen is made mostly from natural gas. It’s also possible to make it from water by electrolysis, but it would be more efficent to just charge a battery with that electricity.

@ab9840

3 жыл бұрын

Toyota has a plan to make Hydrogen out of cow manure which contains methane which can be used to make H. The manure from one cow can power a H. car for one year. This explains it - kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqKu19eFoLyshso.htmlm23s

Great video as always Tommy. I'm guessing that little sticker in the fuel fill door means the car(or any hydrogen car) is gonna need to be re tanked after 15 years🤔

@jebjeb4135

3 жыл бұрын

The Fuel Cell itself will be worn out as well, since it uses up it's platinum inside. So that'll have to be renewed as well, but after how many miles? No word about the reduction components (The fuel cell can't handle the10.000 psi from the tanks), nor about the actual Energy-comsumption -> how much Energy has been used to produce the 5Kg hydrogen. Also no values for leakage: how long can you let the car sit, before half of the Hydrogen-Supply has disappeared. A lot of information missing here.

@seanhunt7750

3 жыл бұрын

@@jebjeb4135 Your questions apply equally to battery powered cars too.

@keithdodge9393

3 жыл бұрын

@@seanhunt7750 actually no these questions don't apply equally to a battery Vehicle. It doesn't have a fuel cell with platinum that is slowly consumed, or pressure reducers. Yes, batteries do slowly drain over time but that is a known variable. Yes batteries have to be charged wich is the only unknown variable of where the electricity comes from. However, currently hydrogen is created directly from natural gas, which I know so does some of the electricity charging battery cars. But, if you drive a car that is just like driving a gas car and refills like a gas car then what is the point if it gets it's fuel source from the same place? And lastly, the tanks. Hydrogen is kind of special because it has a nasty habit of slowly leaking through the container walls which is a problem that NASA has been trying to solve for years. EV's biggest unknown is the battery life and granted that is a big unknown with all of these different battery chemistry changes.

@Upliftyourbrothers

3 жыл бұрын

Modern CNG and hydrogen tanks usually have a 20-25 year life span.

@databeestje

3 жыл бұрын

@@Upliftyourbrothers Yes, but H2 causes embritlement, which appears to be a thing.

I’ve had a 2016 Mirai for three years now and I’ve gotta say it’s hands down the best car I’ve ever owned. It’s my daily driver and it’s absolutely so well rounded as a vehicle. Yes infrastructure isn’t there yet but I’m in LA and it’s totally doable for me. Granted I have the older model so it’s vastly different but fuel cell cars are incredible. It’s exactly like driving a gasoline powered car with all the benefits of being electric. Amazing on long road trips here in California and we don’t have to wait an hour at fill up stations. The fast fill up time is just like pumping gasoline and you’re off. Really impressed with Toyota AGAIN!!

@Damidoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 there’s somewhere between 7500 and 10,000 on the road in CA actually and that’s basically in two metro areas. Yes some stations can have a line of cars 10 deep as you said at certain times. As long as you don’t fill up on a Friday at 5:30pm it’s usually not an issue. My station thankful never has a line ever. As far as compressor lag I have experienced it and never more than a minute or two max between cars. I’m simply stating that I’m a real world user whom over several years has had a great experience driving a FCEL vehicle.

@johnkechagais7096

3 жыл бұрын

@@Damidoo Could you have had a BEV and charged home at night and never worried about going to H2 station? What about the cost of the H2 or have you not used up the 15k allowance yet?

@Damidoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnkechagais7096 yes I can charge an BEV at home but I chose a Mirai over a plug in battery electric. I still have free hydrogen and plan on getting the new Mirai when my free gas runs out. I drive a lot for work so being able to go sometimes hundreds of miles without stopping for an hour at a time is really great. They really are a great option and I think more people would purchase them if they had the fueling infrastructure to utilize them.

@alanrickett2537

3 жыл бұрын

This is the big Con fooling people into thinking going somewhere to fill up in 5 mins is important it's not charging at home is much better than filling up anywhere

Crash test it and rupture the tanks. How many miles before the fuel cell stack needs rebuilt?

Would u need to wait a couple minutes after turning the car on in the morning ?? Or just start up and drive off ??

“You’re not lugging around a massive battery” but the Mirai is bigger and heavier than a Model 3 but with less interior space. How much did Toyota pay you for this?

The idea is great. The engineering that goes into a project like this is awesome. Complaint g about it's performance is funny. If I want performance I will get a Hellcat or TRX. Lol

@archigoel

3 жыл бұрын

Engineering is cutting edge...but it's the wrong solution for Cars. Maybe for Trucks?

@stout_tossme7541

3 жыл бұрын

@@archigoel could be. I mean, if you can get the range out of it. I am still waiting for solar powered cars.

@treygregory7929

3 жыл бұрын

I know they’ve been working on this technology for decades. But I do believe it’s still in its infancy, and at some point we’ll all be driving hydrogen cars. It’s makes too much sense.

@deejayimm

3 жыл бұрын

No you won't, the globalists are making sure of that.

@stout_tossme7541

3 жыл бұрын

@@deejayimm that may be true.

We have now witnessed the future, this is the path the world needs not useless and expensive batteries. Not to mention the toxic mess left after a battery is used up. Forget the cost and slower performance , that can be addressed with time. Something that spews water(clean water) as a by product is the most important point.

A while back, I heard normal gas stations can get transitioned into hydro stations. If that's true, this seems like a more practical approach & even cheaper replacement in the long run for gas cars than going down the road of fully electric cars. It's even more environment & political friendly, 'cause electric cars need lithium, & lithium is a rare earth material. Also, very few countries have lithium; we don't want our next mass-consumed energy resource(s) to have the same dirty politics of oil - creating coups, regime changes, & wars now for lithium instead of oil. I think hydrogen has better multi-faceted future overall.

@user-yn5sk5ru5g

3 жыл бұрын

They can, but at a high cost. The underground fuel tanks that store diesel/ gasoline are not suitable for hydrogen. The pumps for diesel/ gasoline are not suitable, it will be a complete and costly overhaul. And the running cost of a hydrogen station are also quite high. Easier and cheaper to replace the fuel pumps with 350 kW chargers

@user-ih8zh8up9u

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Hydrogen can be generated on-site through electrolysis. Also don't have to worry about future wars over lithium, as it is a rare earth metal. Battery disposal is also a huge concern.

@user-ih8zh8up9u

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 Wrong. The 2021 Toyota Mirai is equipped with a 1.2-kWh lithium battery. MUCH smaller.

@user-ih8zh8up9u

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 Not nearly in the same capacity. Less disposal/less environmental impact due to mining.

@user-ih8zh8up9u

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 So 10% disposal and less dependence on mainly China owned lithium imports. Hydrogen wins the more environmentally solution by a mile!

Did I see that correct? Do not fill after 2035? So you get 15 years then have to replace the hydrogen tank. That kinda sucks.

@tacitus539

3 жыл бұрын

You have to replace the battery in a BEV much quicker and those become toxic waste.

@rhettthedog7757

3 жыл бұрын

@@tacitus539 only if they are but recycled. Most places reuse batteries

@amitkrupal1234

3 жыл бұрын

@@tacitus539 Battery pack has to replaced i guess 8 yrs. Also its difficult to extract lithium from battery electrode in lithium ion battery pack. Needless to say many BEV manufacturers shows negligence in discussing recycling of lithium.

@DengMam

3 жыл бұрын

@@amitkrupal1234 it depends. I‘ve heard that Teslas do need to replace it regularly. We do have some 20 years old Prius Taxis with well over a million KM still running on the first battery. I currently own my second Toyota Hybrid (Corolla) and my first one was the first gen of Yaris Hybrid which I sold after 8 years (when warranty went out) it only lost 1% in battery capacity (you get a full battery analysis is done at the yearly inspections). Toyota has a quite good battery management.

@wojciechmuras553

3 жыл бұрын

@@amitkrupal1234 That's a lie. There's a 2013 Model S for sale in my area, that still has 90% of the capacity. And that's 8 year old tech at this point, the new ones are much better!

When I lived in France, the parking garages didn't allow LPG vehicles ("Parking interdit aux véhicules GPL"). You wouldn't want to have to find street parking in a city. The hydrogen tank will stop a bullet, but it won't stop bad people from attaching a valve to defeat this.

It is long past time to prioritize the construction of an adequate hydrogen dispenser infrastructure. Fueling cost should drop a good deal as hydrogen stations become available. As to whether the hydrogen option materializes, who knows, but it would represent a phenomenal improvement over gasoline and electric cars.

I thought when they released the Mirai in Japan it had a port in the trunk that allowed you to plug a generator cable into the system and use your car as back up power for you house in case of a disaster. Did they get rid of that feature?

Since hydrogen can be obtained from water through electrolysis, I wonder if petrol/gas stations could generate the hydrogen on site? Least there would be no need to have the hydrogen delivered.

@LeoMkII

3 жыл бұрын

nah, it needs 5kgs of hydrogen, you need the 250kwh worth of energy to get those 5kg of H1

@Damidoo

3 жыл бұрын

Yes there are some stations that generate hydrogen on site. They’re much more expensive than a delivery station. There are also stations (like Torrence in LA) that are on a pipeline. In Denmark and Germany they have several stations that generate on site with 100% renuables. Also it is possible to make a plug in fuel cell that can produce its own hydrogen. Nobody sells one yet but I imagine down the road somebody will. You can even power your home from these cars! Very cool stuff!

@Damidoo

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 you’re right it is more efficient to just charge a battery. But real world driving habits are different for everybody which is why FCELs make sense for some people. Gasoline is horrible but also super convenient for people as it stands right now. We’re getting to a renewable society in baby steps. Battery and FCEL cars are a step. I’m all for both.

@joshkiej6601

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 if you place a solar panel park next to the gas station it makes perfect sense. Just straight up charge any electric car that comes by and it can make hydrogen during times where there isnt a car that needs electricity. The same could be done with all power stations, wether its hydro, air or nuclear. Just make hydrogen out of it during moments where there is less demand than there is supply

@johnkechagais7096

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshkiej6601 That's the hope for hydrogen, that it can be a energy storage medium even though you lose 20- 30% to make it, because that electricity would be wasted in low demand times anyway. Its very hard to store hydrogen though.

Wait, it sprays out water when accelerating? That means in the winter time, these things will ice up the intersections and on-ramps like crazy. That's dangerous!

@faststang85

2 жыл бұрын

How do you figure? I guess it doesn't rain or snow during the winter right? 🙄🤣🤣🤦

@smc1377

2 жыл бұрын

@@faststang85 Use your brain. When it rains and snows, people KNOW to use caution when driving. When it's a clear day and the roads are clear, people don't expect to have an icy patch on a highway entrance. Duh.

@smc1377

2 жыл бұрын

@@faststang85 Your stang must not be that fast if you can't grasp the concept of losing grip while accelerating.

Fuel cells would be a great cleanER option for off road vehicles and HD/commercial trucking. They’d still likely have to extract hydrogen from natural gas though.

Thanks. That was a much better video than the last one where I learned nothing about fuel cell cars. Is there any reason the Mirai isn’t as fast or can accelerate like most battery electric cars? Could tesla put a fuel cell in a Model S and get the same performance?

@johnkechagais7096

3 жыл бұрын

Fuel cells do not produce a lot of power and the car relies on the battery to drive the motor. if you put a bigger battery in then you can up the power of the electric motors.

@alanrickett2537

3 жыл бұрын

Fuel cell cannot go from 0 to full production instantly and the Max out put of the cell is a lot lower that the batteries in the BEV due to size and weight this is why every hfcv is a BEV with a fuel cell as the pack is needed to buffer the FC while it adjusting to the throttle inputs

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

Yes when they release the Lexus model it will have AWD with 350 HP

There is a very random public hydrogen station in Mansfield Massachusetts

From what I've read, with current tech, it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than what you get out of it unless you are creating it solely from renewable energy & onsite. So ideally you'd want to produce the hydrogen at the fueling stations themselves to remove having the tanker truck distribution network. But building out hydrogen stations that create their own fuel from a renewable source, or even partially using the electrical grid, cost 5-7x more than a traditional gas station. So the argument is if you are using the electrical gird to even partially generate hydrogen why bother building out expensive fueling stations or trucking the hydrogen in from somewhere else. Why not just build out less expensive charging stations and just use batteries and leave hydrogen exclusively for the commercial sector such as long haul trucking & heavy equipment?

@Robert-cu9bm

3 жыл бұрын

all energy sources take more than you get.

@foxtrotwolf6081

3 жыл бұрын

Even with renewable energy, it doesn't change the physics.

@johnkechagais7096

3 жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm fuel cells do not produce a lot of power so you still need a battery to drive the electric motors. rather than charging the battery directly, you turn it into hydrogen, then compress it is then converted back into electricity in the fuel cell that then charges the battery. Its weight trade off of additional batteries - tanks and fuel cells against efficiency looses for the vehicle being heavier I just checked the weight it weighs the same a a model 3 1,848 kg (4,074 lb) so no weigh savings and a lot of added complexity

I saw on the Dutch site that Toyota will offer a fuel service to fuel up at any location. On the other hand infrastructure for hydrogen must be rolled out anyway to push this clean technology forward

If that engine malfunctions and you're not under warranty, good luck fixing it!

The cost to make hidrogen 99.9 pure to be use in this car is very high. The total eficency of the car is not to great.

@mblake0420

3 жыл бұрын

Yet

@alanrickett2537

3 жыл бұрын

@@mblake0420 nuclear fusion does work that well yet either so let's not put it in cars

Great from an emissions perspective on the street but currently it takes approx 50-55kWh worth of electricity to create 1kg of Hydrogen which gives approx 40kWh worth of generating capacity back so the energy balance is a little off. For sure something for the future if Hydrogen can be produced more efficiently.

@kens97sto171

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 It's crazy that that probably puts it on par or worse than the efficiency of a gasoline powered car. If we can find a better way more efficient way to make hydrogen this might make sense. But it seems as though you're spending a huge amount of energy to create a portable product to then use in a vehicle. I know fuel cells are capable of using the hydrocarbons in fossil fuels. There would be some waste product versus using hydrogen. But I suspect it would still be far more efficient than burning the fossil fuel. I wonder if anybody has looked into that because then you could use the existing fossil fuel infrastructure but still increase your efficiency significantly

hi what color is the car presented? 1L5?

Currently the biggest problem with Hydrogen is splitting it from what it's attached to H2O, CH4 C4H10 (Water. Methane, Butane) so currently takes more energy to produce Hydrogen than it produces in a fuel cell vehicle. If only the oil companies would realise that Hydrogen is the new Gasoline.

@williamwarrenconkright3973

Жыл бұрын

nuclear power plants can generate electric needed to generate hydrogen. Hey, when you get a sunny day, then that too contributes to electric needed to generate the hydrogen. There might even be some type of biomass bacteria that could generate hydrogen

@rogmorts1

Жыл бұрын

@@williamwarrenconkright3973 we don't have enough nuclear power stations in the UK and solar accountants for a very minimal amount of power the same as wind. Hydrogen is the way forward but unfortunately the fuel companies have sat on the technology for decades so they could keep us reliant on oil not realising that Hydrogen would give them a sustainable profitable future.

I do want a car that can pee like a transformer. 🤖🤖

@JoeyLovesTrains

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that imagery

Those are some fairly large inconveniences with owning a hydrogen fuel cell car. Might be better for commercial uses.

I really wish they took away the middle tank, put the stuff under the hood where the middle tank was, and shortened the wheelbase more and made it lighter. Itd be sportier with better weight distribution (rear bias) and you can have a frunk. No car company got started without some sporting heritage, same with this new technology. That being said i would buy one since its the only rwd hydrogen car out there, but have to agree they need more refueling stations, maybe put them along main highways? Biggest problem for me being in Los Angeles is cross country travel. Someone mentionee installing them at dealerships, thats not a terrible idea

How can You say it´s efficient, If there is enougf heat left to worm up the Cabin?

If it was at least 280+ HP I’d consider getting it. I tend not to speed like most people but I hate slow acceleration.

@TekkenBones

2 жыл бұрын

When you consider that the only pollution it emits into the environment is CLEAN WATER, then I think 'only' having 180bhp is not too much of a burden to bare. "only" having 180bhp for your personal transportation is definitely a First World problem.

Thanks, that was very informative and not too long. The $15k of H makes it less expensive. 50k - 15k = $35k.

Would you take that or a RAV4 Prime?

If you look at 2:57 on the warnings label it says do not fill after 2035 - 07 this means that the hydrogen tanks have to be re certified or replace in 15 years so how much is to replace these hydrogen tanks ? Can’t fill it at home this is a deal breaker .... OK maybe not as bad as the filling station are extremely rare and costly.

@susanklenofsky6018

3 жыл бұрын

cant fill a gas car at home basically...

@wojciechmuras553

3 жыл бұрын

@@susanklenofsky6018 But can fill an electric car at home. That's why they're vastly superior, at least for those living in houses.

30% the efficiency of a BEV and no home charging, what's not to like!

@fortcrafterbossbehold9027

2 жыл бұрын

Well also no slow charging (not something I mind though), no bloody lithium, a chance for ICE to survive (I love V8s), and no damn Elon Musk dominating the show with his idiotic-ness...

@fortcrafterbossbehold9027

2 жыл бұрын

@@ieditedmyname289 Ameen...

@fortcrafterbossbehold9027

2 жыл бұрын

@@ieditedmyname289 Preach brother...

@scottkolaya2110

2 жыл бұрын

@@ieditedmyname289 How so?

@JoseFernandez-wu8pj

2 жыл бұрын

Take that TESLA

What kind of material surrounds that tank that is at 10000 PSI that sounds like a very dangerous situation at some point in time

I wonder what are the logistics involved in building a hydrogen station. I think the most complicated part would be storing the hydrogen. I wonder if they are running into issues with that. Like zoning or something.

You would have thought they would have created a SUV with this powertrain at that price point.

@valderon3692

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously, at least then I could fit in it. My $7000 Chevy Spark EV is more roomy than that.

@alfrredd

3 жыл бұрын

It would be too heavy. Aerodynamics are really important in Hydrogen cars.

@valderon3692

3 жыл бұрын

@@alfrredd Aero is just as important in BEV's but they have lots of interior room. Someday I hope people realize Hydrogen doesn't make sense for passenger vehicles. Maybe for long distance trucking or for planes and shipping but for small vehicles BEV's are a much better fit.

This is definitely the future.

I’ve been saying that hydrogen cars are the way to go over all electric cars ever since I found out about the Honda Clarity. It just makes more sense to fill up in a few minutes over waiting a very long time to fully charge a Tesla. It would make road trips so much easier with more fueling stations of course.

@scottkolaya2110

3 жыл бұрын

I would completely agree if I regularly took road trips every week. But in the end, I just plug in at home every couple of days and don't have to deal with nozzles getting frozen to the car and waiting 20 minutes for it to thaw out, or waiting 15 minutes between customers at the hydrogen station for the compressors to refill the staging tanks, or at the moment, driving 20 or 30 minutes out of the way to find a hydrogen station that has hydrogen left since each station only can fill a dozen cars before they run out. If they solved those issues it would be nice. Tommy doesn't really mention all those because he doesn't actually drive an FCEV. In the meantime, I'll just wait the 7 minutes to add 2 hrs of driving to a Tesla at the new superchargers while I take a leak because, of course, it costs about $100,000 to put in a couple superchargers and 2 million to put in a single hydrogen station that you are forced to use because there are no other fueling options like charging off your home solar.

What’s interesting at 2:57 showed inside the fuel door says “Do Not Refuel after 2035.07”. Does that mean the H2 tank needs to be replaced because it’s structural integrity of the tank has deteriorated on July 2035?

You’re the only guy on YT who spells out the advantages of a fuel cell vehicle versus an electric vehicle.

@scottkolaya2110

3 жыл бұрын

It would be nice if he actually compared it fairly though. For example, at 1:25 says he's only lugging around a 1kWh battery. While that is true, he's also lugging around 500lbs of fuel cell equipment to make it into electricity and another 500lbs of structural steel to protect the occupants and make a physically large car with the interior space of a sub compact. So the Mirai (even with the tanks empty) ends up weighing more than a long-range Tesla. Also he makes the claim it's long-lasting. Since the first ones were only made in 2016, I'm not sure how he knows that. And the entire hydrogen system in the 2016s already is about to expire in 9 years. You can see when this one expires by the date on the fuel door at 8:28 which they nicely display.

@JayMcKinsey

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottkolaya2110 I agree. The Mirai weighs 4335 lbs while the Tesla Model 3LR weighs only 4031 lbs.

Hydrogen is terribly inefficient. It uses roughly twice the amount of energy it produces to isolate hydrogen from other elements and pressurize it. Not to mention transportation costs to the facility. It just doesn't make any sense from an efficiency stand point, especially as battery tech improves. Hydrogen is really an energy storage mechanism rather than an energy source. Think of it as a gaseous battery. This might be useful for large transport that needs long, constant power for large vehicles, think trains and ships, where the powertrain and storage of fuel accounts for a much smaller proportion of the Gross Vehicle Weight. But for personal cars, battery electric is the way to go.

@reefermonster9651

3 жыл бұрын

Tesla's are terribly inefficient. A 2001 toyota camry is more energy efficient

@davetravels9273

3 жыл бұрын

@@reefermonster9651 Not really. Looking at the powertrain alone, a Tesla Model S is about 4 times more efficient than a 2001 Camry (25 MPG vs. 100 MPGe) and Model 3 is even more efficient. It gets even worse once you start to considering the transportation of fuel, the warming process of an ICE, compared to an electric power plant, including a coal power plant, which is much more efficient than an ICE.

@johnkechagais7096

3 жыл бұрын

@@reefermonster9651 Sorry it is not! all tesla are above 100 mpg equivalent there is 9 kwh in a litre of petrol. the 100 kwh battery pack that does 400 miles in the model S so 11 litre of petrol or 3 gallons.

@MegaAce54

2 ай бұрын

But it has a pretty shiny display😊

If you have a Mirai in Colorado and they don't have hydrogen stations there, then how do you fill it up?

So no hydrogen stations in Colorado, where did you fill up?

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@petergazarek4238

3 жыл бұрын

TOYOTA MIRAI IS AN IDEAL CAR WITH A CLEAN ELECTRIC DRIVE WITHOUT LIMITING THE NEED TO CHARGE VERY SKILLFUL 🤔 👌🏻😎👍🏻

You spent a week and didn't notice that you cannot refuel the car after July 2035 as it says on the fuel door 2:14 I'm guessing the tanks need replacing at that point?

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

You think any Tesla will last 15 years? 100 year old fords are common.

@scottkolaya2110

3 жыл бұрын

I guess we'll see along with all the other EV manufacturers. They certainly don't have a "best if used by date printed on them" btw, I looked into the date and the car is pretty much throw away after that from most owners' opinion. Most current Mirai owners that I've chatted with are pretty aware of it but don't know yet if they will not be able to register it after that date. They do know the tanks can't be recertified and need replacing. But so does all the piping etc due to hydrogen embrittlement. Typical Toyota's aren't worth any more than $1,500 - 2,000 after 15 years so no one is going to spend any money rebuilding an old generation FCEV 15 years from now. I'm not so sure 100-year-old fords are common. I'd say completely rebuilt many times over fords are a little common for those who have a lot of spare cash on hand.

@paulbedichek5177

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottkolaya2110 Toyota’s have excellent resale values that’s why they sell in two weeks what Tesla sells in a year.

@scottkolaya2110

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulbedichek5177 I stand corrected :-) 15-year-old Toyota sedans go for $4k. Not bad. I do know Toyota is pissed that Tesla surpassed them in the most valuable carmaker. That's got to hurt. I have a Chevy Bolt EV, 4 years old now. I plug it in once a week in my garage and drive it back and forth to work. I've had to put some windshield washer fluid in it and rotate the tires, that's it for the last 4 years. I've worked on cars for 40 years and this one is crazy low maintenance. Super fun to drive, ridiculous silent torque. Cost me nothing to charge off of my solar. My honda is due for its 100,000mi maintenance. The typical timing belt, water pump, plugs, oil, brakes, trans and power steering fluid, check the valve clearance, etc. The maintenance schedule on the Bolt is: rotate the tires every 7,000 mi, change the cabin filter when it's dirty, change the brake fluid every 5 years, and change the coolants every 150,000 miles. Brakes should last the life of the car if they don't rust up first from lack of use. I've written on the rotors with a sharpie and the mark has been there for more than a week.

This issue of the fueling station is a US thing In Europe and Japan they already have removed some of the regular gas pumps and replaced them with hydrogen ones. I seen a German guy made some contraption on his to car to capture the water and he used it for his garden. It looked pretty bad though the mods he did to the car. Maybe Toyota can come up with so other way to capture the way.

I think once these cars sell more, they'll build larger higher output hydrogen production facilities. Not to mention the fact that there will be several hydrogen manufacturers who will compete and drive prices down. In the old days they called that gas wars.

A hydrogen fuel station is coming to CSU soon. Only an hour away from you in Boulder CO. Ha!