I LOVE! when you 2 do videos like this one LOL!

I'd take the Toyota if there were fueling stations, Tesla, needs to greatly improve their quality control before I'd ever consider one.

@gregorypetty6887

3 жыл бұрын

Me 2! Toyota is way better than Tesla.

@rogerangell5917

2 жыл бұрын

Tesla quality is going through the roof. Hydrogen is not the future. What is wrong with our education system. Toyota is wrong. Full stop.

@JoseFernandez-wu8pj

Жыл бұрын

@@gregorypetty6887 agreed

@thepcuser5469

Жыл бұрын

@@gregorypetty6887tesla fanboys would say otherwise, hence why he said in the video title that tesla fanboys will hate this vid, they hate anything other than teslas

What I’m gathering here is that Tommy is actually a 70 year old man at heart. 😂

@PlymouthNeon

3 жыл бұрын

love how his son says, "but who cares, it works!"

@JoseFernandez-wu8pj

Жыл бұрын

Toyota: ENOUGH SAID

I recently bought a Mirai and I am now spoiled with the plush ride, the calming feel it gives when driving or riding as a passenger. People with anxiety problem, this is actually a therapeutic experience.

I actually really really love when Roman & Tommy play two different sides of a coin when comparing car features. It gives the different preferences an audience member may have some love. The buyer gets to decide what they like, not the reviewer. Some stuff is favorable, some is not, but both opinions get explored by two likeable guys. Keep up the good work, fellas.

The speedometer is in front of you like God intended and the car pees itself like a scared poodle. I literally laughed out loud. Thanks guys.

@user-0179

3 жыл бұрын

massage my personal admin on WhatsApp + 1. ( 9 7 1. ) 2. 4. 8. - 8. 4. 2. 9

@user-0179

3 жыл бұрын

Tell him I reffed you👆

Tesla : teething troubles after 12 years Mirai : A car that pees like a poodle

If you’ve ever worked with Hydrogen you’d know it’s always prone to small leaks constantly....

@ttamcc.4674

3 жыл бұрын

That shouldn’t be a problem if it’s made by Toyota

@speedy0231

3 жыл бұрын

@@ttamcc.4674 😂😂

@user-op7vy5ny4r

3 жыл бұрын

pretty sure toyota engineers are smarter than that

@Dachiko007

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-op7vy5ny4r in order to overtake the industry, every manufacturer should be smarter than that. While you waiting for that to happen, simple electric cars overtake the world. It's so simple, even you can make one in your garage

@Jayismynickname

3 жыл бұрын

Let’s hope Toyota drivers will still be able to drive no offense to the good ones

Has me looking forward to a Toyota EV. I think Toyota will bring real quality and practical design to EV's, best of both worlds.

@MarvinFontanilla

Жыл бұрын

Their first BEV (BZ4X) was a flop. Hopefully the next one will be good.

Technically, both are electric vehicles. The different is how the electricity stored on the vehicles, large battery vs small battery + hydrogen (stored energy).

@camberwellcarrot420

3 жыл бұрын

And presumably that hydrogen tank can be refilled in times similar to conventional ice vehicles. Big win.

@ntphan

3 жыл бұрын

@@camberwellcarrot420 Hydrogen can be generated/stored on site at local gas/petrol stations (technically possible with just water and electricity at a cost of course). We are nowhere close to that. Basicallly, building out the infrastructure for hydrogen is a huge cost obstacle. Expanding electrical grid is also exxpensive but maybe a bit easier since it's something we already have.

@Menga213

3 жыл бұрын

@@ntphan you can store more energy with Hydrogen in longer terms. You can convert hydrogen for more practical purposes like POWERING a electrical system, just like a generator unlike these batteries.

@ntphan

3 жыл бұрын

@@Menga213 Perhaps, but generating hydrogen is still quite expensive since it doesn't occur naturally on earth as H2. Any H2 in the air would dissipate into space. Keep in mind storing hydrogen is dangerous and costly as well. It is the smallest molecule (2 smallest atom-width) so it tends to slowly seep out of whatever container you may have over time. It's best to generate it and use it instead of long term storage.

@Menga213

3 жыл бұрын

@@ntphan Perhaps but that can be said about any gasoline car. They are flammable and dangerous. The infrastructure is in its infancy your not supposed to have 1 million stations over night. Many companies are skeptical because our ignorance as consumers. Consumers don't know any better. They are sheep, THEY DO AS THEY ARE TOLD. This is why there is a craze for electric cars. When they are actually just worse in the long run, environmentally, strategically and economically. Trust me, Even if USA doesn't get with the program about getting a alternative fuel; the whole world will move ahead without them. Asia is heavly investing in the Hydrogen infrastructure. We will always play catch up and complaint when its too late.

Tommy: “It turns oxygen into water, which sustains life.” Oxygen: “Am I a joke to you?”

@KenLyns

3 жыл бұрын

Oxygen slowly poisons you over 70+ years. That's why you eat antioxidants.

@alphaxfang

3 жыл бұрын

well you need both to stay alive...

@stumpedii8639

Жыл бұрын

ya but what did they do to get the electricity.. and what did they do to get the hydrogen.. are either of those clean and efficient?

@JoseFernandez-wu8pj

Жыл бұрын

@@stumpedii8639 I could argue the same against the dirty origins of the electricity Tesla gets its power from.

@CTimmerman

Жыл бұрын

@@JoseFernandez-wu8pj Even on coal power, BEVs are cleaner than ICVs, because cars are relatively small and don't use giant exhaust scrubbers.

The arguing was funny at first, but really grates after 2 mins

@Eeaotc02

3 жыл бұрын

By your opinion.

@BH-lt5vo

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I certainly didn't need to hear the forced debate and the 300th description of a Tesla again just to learn about the Mirai. BTW, if you watch the old documentary "Who killed the electric Car" you realize that Hydrogen fuel cell cars will never take over the auto market. Electric cars have already won.

@KyleDavisMusic

3 жыл бұрын

Especially when in other videos they call those same specs positive. Brutal.

@ttamcc.4674

3 жыл бұрын

Dude nobody cares

@Dachiko007

3 жыл бұрын

@@ttamcc.4674 as a content creator I care about viewers opinions. Thanks to them I can make a better product. So if you don't care doesn't mean no one cares

"This is the most useless thing I've ever seen dad" Roman: hehehe i beg to differ

You guys should ‘accidentally’ back into a post or something and see which vehicle gets repaired first 😂😂

@erickisel8668

3 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@kayu7941

3 жыл бұрын

Now that's funny.

@voidofbeeswax

3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha!

@michaelerzuah1105

3 жыл бұрын

Savage comment😂😂😂😂

@jimclay1969

3 жыл бұрын

LOL.... I felt bad for the kid when he did that.

This is such a fun video to watch, seeing father and son go back and forth. "Sounds like a horny electric toothbrush" had me laughing

@ttamcc.4674

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

"Peter Parker and Doc Ock argue over cars"

Personally I think a plug-in hybrid fuel cell car would be great! Maybe a Rav-4 that goes 50-100 miles EV only but 500-600 with hydrogen… just sayin.

Quebec, British Columbia, Ontario and Alberta have hydrogen power refill stations. Iceland and Canada have been using Hydrogen buses for over a decade

@arhamkhakwani5851

3 жыл бұрын

I thought they are only in Quebec, Ontario and BC Interesting

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

Hydrogen makes sense in buses and trucks. The train has already left the station on cars. Simply not efficient enough nor cost effective enough.

He lived until 90 because his pelvis wasn't broken by a stiff ride. Best reason ever!

🤣🤣 I think this is the funniest episode ever. Nothing like a father and son arguing

What was not discussed about is the price of H2 and the availibility of H2-stations.

I am amazed that Tommy doesn’t slap his dad 😀

@ruimachado8560

3 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@themeach011

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the other way around hahaha

@MariuszChr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ljviks22 I think the same, it's hard to watch this forced lines.

@MariuszChr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ljviks22 I think he is not exclusively hating Teslas. Every comparison he takes a role to find stupid arguments. Same with TRX vs Raptor. While here it was the worst. And yeah, how can you say anything remotely practical about this car if you cannot fill it up?!

@Brian-iv5pz

3 жыл бұрын

😆😂

Tesla also paid the first users with the free supercharging

@hoodieman04

3 жыл бұрын

Tesla also wouldn’t exist without government funding

@mikefoehr235

3 жыл бұрын

Many point out how Norway is near all EV...Yes but all are heavily subsidized by taxpayer.

@Isaac-un4cn

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoodieman04 Notice that even with government funding there are no startups making hydrogen fuel cell cars

@hoodieman04

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddwright662 Thats good to hear they paid it back in full and early. However, my point is they wouldnt exist without the government loaning them money which I dont believe should be happening in the first place regardless of the company or product.

@toddwright662

3 жыл бұрын

@@hoodieman04 I'm OK with that stance, but then we need it to be consistent; just because a subsidy has been around for a long time, doesn't mean it gets a pass if we're going to hold Tesla to a higher standard. If we just look at cars, existing manufactures have been propped up for decades by cheap oil due to government subsidies of oil production; much of it from our own federal government. Also GM would have gone under and might be a non-entity at this point; others might have as well, but GM is the most obvious one.

Love these videos between Dad and Son! My concern with the hydrogen would be the water expulsion during the winter months in the north. If everyone had one, the roads and my driveway will be very icy or need massive amounts of salt all year regardless of precipitation.

@boringsoaring

2 жыл бұрын

You pull over in the Hydrogen park and push the button to drain. It runs down and helps form the public skating rink

@unconventionalideas5683

2 жыл бұрын

They have a special feature that stores water and allows you to choose when to dump it and purge it so that this doesn't happen except in appropriate locations.

@outofthebox5441

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah because mother nature warming above 32 degrees then freezing again at night to below 32 degrees isnt worse than the water emission from a hydrogen car 😑

@user-zq6uv8mu3g

3 ай бұрын

Not true, every combustion engine emits more water than the Mirai. Please watch in winter!

You can actually use voice prompts to open glove compartment, change temperature and turn on windshield wipers.

Funny as. I'll stick to my 02 corolla

@explosivemallard8038

3 жыл бұрын

I would agree, but with the way gas prices are going up, I’m looking for extreme fuel economy and electric/alternative fuels.

@paulalvaro6313

3 жыл бұрын

@@explosivemallard8038 when they become affordable I'm all for it

@Menga213

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulalvaro6313 Get a Hydrogen if your in CALIFORNIA

If I ever gave up on ICE, I’d believe in hydrogen fuel cell technology over EV.

So hilarious to see them rip each other. Especially since the father takes the perspective you’d expect of a young man and the son sounds like the boomer lol!

This video was incredible, the banter between dad and Tommy was pure comedy!

Dad: “What are the driving dynamics of this car [Mirai]?” Son: “They’re perfect!” 🤣

I knew Tommy hated the Tesla from day one. Who backs into a building that is right behind them?

@bearpaw7603

3 жыл бұрын

Cold you’re cold bro 😎 but true

“To primitive people advanced technology looks like magic, I’m sorry if this looks like magic to you Tommy” 😭

I love how he’s trying to justify the silly features of the Tesla.

I have Electric in my garage.😁 No pressurised hydrogen unfortunately 😔

@user-tb7rn1il3q

3 жыл бұрын

Fuel cell vehicles are better in urban areas where you can’t park in a garage with a 220 outlet.

@grahambrown42

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-tb7rn1il3q Just need a Hydrogen supply infrastructure!

@dannyspeed

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 Norway had an explosion

@ymcpa73

3 жыл бұрын

@Allen S Gas stations are everywhere. Hydrogen station are rare. That is why Tesla built out their charging infrastructure when there was nearly none. Charging at home is great (I will never miss going to a gas sation), but eventually you will drive far enough where you will need to charge. Sure waiting 1/2 an hour is a bit inconvenient, but with the range of these cars you were likely driving 4 hours and will need a break and maybe a meal. So, everything works out.

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

@Allen S A Hydrogen facility blew up in CA and FCV owners had to park their cars for months until it was up and running. Ignore the garbage from this Allen troll, he doesn't live in reality...

Blaze's tail going by the front of the hood lmao

@acurrymuncher8459

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I saw that

@HondAcura111

3 жыл бұрын

Thought it was a skunk haha

To be fair, the Mirai is not only in California. I lived in the Netherlands for two years. The city I was in was using several first-generation Mirais to shuttle senior citizens around town. I don't know whether the Mirai is for sale to consumers there, but there are more Mirais than just in California. Also, there was a Kia fuel cell car advertised on TV there as well.

"They're coming", all the stations I knew of on the east coast closed

I think hydrogen is more convenient for drivers (if the infrastructure was the same as gas stations) than electric cars nowadays. But the problem with hydrogen is that the whole process is not very efficient. From getting electricity to generate hydrogen, then compress it and use it in the car, if I remember correctly, it was around 40% when an electric car is more like 70% or so. I think when the battery technology allows a driver to charge an electric car in 10 minutes for 200 miles/300 km, then the whole hydrogen thing would be obsolete. When that would be? I have no idea...

@toddwright662

3 жыл бұрын

"I think hydrogen is more convenient for drivers..." When it comes to road trips, I agree; but if you can charge at home (and I realize that's not possible for a significant portion of people) BEVs are more convenient for everyday driving. I've had my Model 3 for about 2.5 years. About 13% of my miles have been road trip" miles in which I concur with your statement, but for the remaining 87% of my use, I strongly disagree and conclude the opposite just as I do when comparing my M3 to fueling an ICE vehicle.

@javiTests

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddwright662 Yes, if you can charge at home and your trips are below the range of the electric car, you're completely right. I was thinking about long trips but as you said, those can be a small proportion.

I would go with hydrogen if there’s was more hydrogen station. Ultimately there isn’t a network so I’ll stick with my Tesla. Charging at home is also more convenient than gas or hydrogen.

@themeach011

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! The time to fill argument is absolutely ridiculous. Once u have one and never have to stop for fuel u realize not having to go to gas stations is a blessing. And even when we do go on a road trip and have to stop to charge it's easily offset by the time we save day to day

@noahboock

3 жыл бұрын

Well there’s also the price LOL. Doesn’t the mirai start at $60k?

@GRANDBEAST

3 жыл бұрын

43 stations nation wide!

@MariuszChr

3 жыл бұрын

Did they improve methods to make hydrogen? It was super inefficient and expensive to make pure hydrogen, last time I was reading about it.

@Libertylute

2 жыл бұрын

@@MariuszChr The second law of thermodynamics says it will always be more efficient to charge a a battery.

5 minutes to fill up if you are in the first 4 then wait an hour for the tank to get back up to pressure

Like as always. Great debate back and forth with Dad and Son. Keep these videos coming, best looking cars

This fuel cell video was great but it really downplays the benefits of going electric. It is actually MORE convenient for me to charge at home then to stop at a gas station once or twice a week. I also have a 310 mile range on my model 3 which is more then I'll use any day unless I'm going on a road trip. One might say "road trips on an electric car suck" but I've gone on a road trip once a week over 400 miles and charging is really nice on trips. In a gas car it's GO GO GO if you have to wait 5 mins for a pump you're annoyed because you want to get to your destination. In an EV you stop for 20-30 minutes, grab lunch, stretch, go to the restroom, etc and you feel refreshed after getting in the car

Oh its simple. We got no bloody hydrogen around here. The next hydrogen station is over 300km away and it costs 15,-- Euros for 100km wheras i drive my Tesla for 2,40 Euros for 100km. And i charge at home. Just now. Where is hydrogen? Nowhere to be seen...

@poplaurentiu4148

3 жыл бұрын

I'm from Europe here is better to have an LPG car which cost a quarter of the price from same amount like 1Litre of petrol to fill up.. So if i would have to choose, i would choose none from Tesla & Mirai, but i would gladly take this M3 BMW v10 -LPG instead : www.ac-schnitzer.de/en/bmw/concepts/2007-gp3-10.html

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 жыл бұрын

@@poplaurentiu4148 Thats ok for germany. Those EVs in germany all run on brown coal anyway. And for Poland. They run on black coal. All others please don't listen to that. EVs do not only cost less energy but also have less running/repairing/service costs and taxes. Calculate for yourself. I pay less for my Model 3 Long Range with 0-100 in 3.9 seconds then for a measly Golf TDI base model. Of course not in Germany... Who wants a plain old VW Golf? Hands up please. And who wants to drive the fastest most safest sleek family sedan and run circles around all those Porsches and Lamborghinis out there? Hands up please...

@poplaurentiu4148

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 I'll give you the thing started Tesla to switch all brands to ev's but now since competition is start rising among all ev's are many other better quality options on the market : Xpeng P7, Ford Mustang-e, Polestar C2, Lexus UX-300e, Kia e-Niro, Hyundai Kona ev/ new Hyundai ioniq, MG E-Motion and the Lucid.. i mean there is plenty to choose from..

@wolfgangpreier9160

3 жыл бұрын

@@poplaurentiu4148 Then do it. Choose. I don't mind. Tesla doesn't mind. Elon doesn't mind. Only humanity minds. Choose any other EV please if you don't want no Tesla.

@poplaurentiu4148

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 I will definitely switch when all big oil companies will switch and the EV offer will grow big enough and the charging stations and service network will cover at least 99% of the Earth..

Roman is secretly a 20 year old and Tommy is the real dad here lol. Excellent video as always you guys!

I was dying the whole time, them going back and forth.😂😂😂😂😂😂

H2 makes sense for long haul situations where you dont want a heavy battery... e.g. trucking, trains, planes, etc... daily drivers not so much vs bev

@joshuarosen465

3 жыл бұрын

Hydrogen is 2 or 3 times as expensive as diesel and it's just as dirty because they make it from natural gas. Even when made from clean electricity it's wasteful because 2/3rds of the electricity is lost in the conversion process to and from H2. Trucking is all about costs, H2 is a non starter.

@Lewis_Standing

3 жыл бұрын

about.bnef.com/blog/liebreich-separating-hype-from-hydrogen-part-two-the-demand-side/ about.bnef.com/blog/liebreich-separating-hype-from-hydrogen-part-one-the-supply-side/ It probably doesn't have a role in trains, lorries. Ships yes. Industry yes, especially steel.

@WM5000-ek9nk

3 жыл бұрын

H2 will overtake in the Trucks and airplanes

@RonanB99

3 жыл бұрын

​@@joshuarosen465 Hydrogen can be made by electrolysis of water and it's estimated this will become cheaper than hydrogen made from natural gas by 2030. Long haul trucking will greatly benefit from the longer range hydrogen can offer and quick refuel times.

@JayMcKinsey

2 жыл бұрын

The Mirai weighs more than the Model 3.

I love it: Doesn't pee itself like a scared poodle. LMAO

@mdragon99

3 жыл бұрын

You a Horny little Toothbrush

17:02 Tommy: "You know what we're doing?" Roman: "Making the old people in the subdivision jealous?

You guys are truly the Laurel & Hardy of the Automotive world. I couldn't stop laughing throughout the video 🤣

Fuel Cell infrastructure requires far more cost VS electric also high PSI hydrogen not thrilling. The Mirai is extremely complex, with a high-parts count VS the Tesla. With newer solid-state batteries fuel cell doesn’t stand a chance, and not to mention ditching the gas station is wonderful & charging from home is fantastic with EV’s, not something you can do with fuel cell and for that reason alone it’s a dead technology.

@towjamb57

3 жыл бұрын

​@@devinbender8428 BEVs don't cut it for tow/hauling, fleet vehicles, and cold weather. FCEVs work and are 2x better than gas/diesel.

@mikewallace1723

3 жыл бұрын

Depends where you live. Electric chargers not good for all. Hydrogen can replace normal fuel stations. Tesla not of interest due to build quality, interior, for me.

@benjaminbaumgart3935

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that electric is the future, but I don't believe Tesla will hold the crown

@THEREALZENFORCE

2 жыл бұрын

5:38 : "tHiS iS tHe fUtuRe, you can place your phone right here" 1990s car phones laughing, and USB car cell phone charge points exist for long 4:09 : "tHiS iS tHe fUtuRe, minimalist design" Audi e-tron cars Q4 and GT RS, Cupra Born, Mercedes EQS, EQB, Honda-e, Ioniq5, Nio cars, "minimalism is that an excuse to cut production costs but still sell the car at a high price ?" 3:05 : "to primitive people science looks like magic" Level 2 autonomous Tesla drivers ignoring level 3 Mercedes and Honda cars and NIO ET7 way higher range. "tEsLa rELiABiLiTY while ignoring 160000 Tesla car recall 1/6th of total Tesla cars produced" Answer "Ok i have a Toyota" top 3 most reliable cars ever :-) "tEsLa aCcELeRatiOn" Me : "pretty slow against old ZZR1400 and Turbobusa bikes" Mirai guy : "the legal speed is 75mph" Tesla guy :-L "tEsLa cHaRgERs" so Tesla guy is essentially making to same arguments against hydrogen cars as years ago ICE car drivers against EV car drivers. How ironic :-)

@tcwheel721

2 жыл бұрын

@@towjamb57 "BEVs don't cut it for tow/hauling". Seriously? There is a good video of a MODEL 3 pulling a Toyota Tacoma pickup around in a tug of war. Teslas are far better fleet vehicles than any other car.

“Soo many filters it’s literally purifying the air” I’m like, how often and much is that gonna cost to replace?

@MrPikkoz

3 жыл бұрын

5k miles the ,Nexo is 6k

Internal combustion engines emit more water out the tailpipe as a combustion product (in weight) than the corresponding weight of the gasoline burned. So much for worrying about the Mirai “peeing”. ICE engines ‘pee’ more, and always have.

Hey hey hey, I never said I hated this video😂 in fact I don't.

I can imagine myself buying the Toyota, but not in a life time the Tesla. To have to finger on a screen for everything would drive me nuts.

@themeach011

3 жыл бұрын

It's not bad once u get used to it. In one sense it's nice to have everything in one place. It's also cool that you can run so many of the features through your phone. For example, being that the heated seats are run through the computer and not through a button I can warm up the car from inside the house before I leave and turn on the passenger heated seat and the rear heated seats if I'm taking my family with me, all through my phone. Another interesting thing is what do u have to do with basically any car to get the new features that are coming out in the newly released model year? Answer trade in your car for the most part. With my Tesla any time a new feature is released it just does an update and now my car is better than when I bought it. Obviously if it's a physical part of the car it can't update that over the air

@BullittKid08

3 жыл бұрын

@@themeach011 lots of cars can do that

@Singuy888

3 жыл бұрын

You can do anything in the car by pressing the little scroll wheel and voice command it. This includes navigation to opening glove box to adjusting mirrors. All the interior lights, wind shield wipers, anything you can think of can be controlled voice command. It's like there's an Alexa in the car and no one ever talks about it.

@themeach011

3 жыл бұрын

@Nomen Clature my Tesla certainly isn't perfect by any means there are many things about that make me shake my head about the car. I just feel like a lot of people have misconceptions and opinions that aren't founded in actual ownership experience so I try to share my experiences, positive and negative. And my experience has been overall positive and enjoyable and it makes me question when people are fear mongering about range and charge times and the screen and everything else without actually living with those things on a day to day basis. I had severe range anxiety until the first time I actually drove the car. Once I realized how it all works that anxiety was gone. Once I realized the benefits of being able to refuel at home instead of having to go wait in line a crowded gas station after work when it's minus 30 outside. My charging concern was gone. Once I lived with the screen for a couple days I was no longer concerned that I didn't have buttons or a gauge directly in front of me. That's just me and my opinion based on my actual experience. I was concerned about those things before as well until I actually owned the car and my fears were proven to be unfounded.

@themeach011

3 жыл бұрын

@@BullittKid08 which cars specifically. That would be cool to do a comparison of the apps that the manufacturers offer and their functionality.

The bantering was hilarious.

I mean, I know he's playing Devils Advocate but,... That infrastructure isn't coming. It isn't. Toyota and Hyundai are the only two mainstream car companies on the planet with active fuel cell investments, now. Nothing at GM, Ford, VW, Nissan, Stellantis, Volvo,... Nothing. Not even Honda, who canceled their Hydrogen R&D last year. Two car companies cannot produce anywhere near enough cars to make the insane investment in infrastructure worthwhile - not at $1million a pump. Not going to happen. Hydrogen cars are literally going nowhere.

@XLTBlarg

3 жыл бұрын

Umm wasn't that the same for plug in electric a decade ago?

@timaustin2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@XLTBlarg nope. The electric infrastructure existed back then: electricity was generated in thousands of powerstations and could be accessed in hundreds of millions of locations: people's homes. Public infrastructure didn't exist but only cost a few thousand dollars per device - far, far, far less than hydrogen pumps and their infrastructure, which is in the $Millions per single location. Hydrogen vehicles DEPEND entirely on public infrastructure. Can't work without it. Battery electrics only need a 240v power supply at home, which most people have. Not remotely equivalent. Not even close.

*I tell you this, FUNDAMENTAL BUTTONS like turn signals shouldn't be digital, some buttons must remain analog/mechanical.* But filling the hydrogen is way too expensive.

tommy is absolutly right. i hate those new empty dash

I kept waiting for Tommy to say "I'll circle back to that" to all of Roman's questions.

Fuel cell economics = wretched. Game over.

@traviskorda3262

3 жыл бұрын

Yea 400 miles for 75 bucks...if they can half that it would be a lot better option

@toddwright662

3 жыл бұрын

@@traviskorda3262 At half, it could still easily be more than 2 times more expensive to "fuel" than a Tesla (assumes less than 16 cents per kWh).

Talking about cars catching on fire. According to the U.S. Fire Administration (USFA), an average of 171,500 highway vehicle fires happened in the United States each year from 2014 through 2016, and the vast majority of them were in gasoline-powered cars

As much I love Tesla but over kill is putting everything in one screen, for Toyota unfortunately hydrogen system is not available yet so , I chose non 👀

@jakesta11

3 жыл бұрын

Peripheral vision works side to side not up and down.. binnicles are done. Look at your speed and you take your eyes off the road in a behind the steering wheel set up

@rustom1981

3 жыл бұрын

@Nomen Clature you it's great I love too , but I'm working in car industry & saw how high tech fail , the problem is if the screen failed you can't access anything, if there is more than one is better.

@1985toyotacamry

3 жыл бұрын

@@rustom1981 that's a big problem. I already have all in one on my phone I don't need a car that does that. It's overwhelming and having a learning curve.

@chazzcoolidge2654

3 жыл бұрын

That and all the voice-activated features are atrocious and off-putting for anyone with trouble speaking,like stuttering. It's infuriating enough when a phone can't understand voice commands when I stutter,let alone a car.

"The future is coming" when it comes to refueling infrastructure in CO So as a Coloradan, would you at this immediate moment in time buy a Toyota Mirai? No one is buying if there's no infrastructure, and no infrastructure is coming (fast enough) because there's no customer to serve.

@gforce95vn

3 жыл бұрын

@Allen S put yourself as a potential shopper, would you buy a Toyota Mirai in Colorado (or anywhere else but California) right now with the "It will come" promise when it comes to infrastructure?

Why did I initially interpret Roman saying that you can't call for help when your phone's screen dies as a threat?? lol

Great Test, I will test Mirai ! 👍😀

@Menga213

3 жыл бұрын

Test out the NEXO if you get a chance.

@lexre5948

3 жыл бұрын

1 kilo of Hydrogen cost me $17 bucks and that 1 kilo gives me about 50 miles. Soon as my 15k runs out no more hydrogen for me.

@Menga213

3 жыл бұрын

@@lexre5948 15k dollars of free fuel for 3 years. Is a great deal for a lease. Gas price going up, no point in paying that gas TAX. The Lease average is about 12k miles. so you should be more than Okay. Hydrogen prices will keep dropping every year so in 6 years when all of there incentives are over. The price will drop again. The supply will continue to increase Since semi-truck are hoping on the Fuel cell very soon.

The Toyota is more money, more maintenance, has a worse safety rating, doesn’t drive itself, costs more to fill up, slower, doesn’t have over the air software updates, has less cargo space.

75 dollars to fill up? No thanks. Game over.

@johnjones-sv9pe

3 жыл бұрын

That's if you can

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

Last time I checked Hydrogen was like $17.49 per Kg or close to $98 to fill up the tank.

@msg9434

3 жыл бұрын

Wait didnt he say 15000 dollars worth of hydrogen fillup provided by toyota? So it should technically be free no? I did I misunderstand

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

@@msg9434 Yep, it comes with 3 years worth of Hydrogen. The problem is, after 3 years, it is $75 to $100 to fill this thing up. Which again is the reason the Mirai sells for $11000 after 3 years, a pretty brutal depreciation from $60k.....

@camberwellcarrot420

3 жыл бұрын

That price will come down over time presumably. It will have to for this technology to take off.

No matter how toyota argue about fuel cell that they have been doing for years and still there is no infrastructure for it, all i can say is that its a compliance car

Awesome, such a blessing to see a father and son have fun. Keep up the good work!

I can't wait for the electric Jeep Wrangler video from these guys!

Why would a Tesla fanboy hate this? Damn hilarious! I love the back and forth banter. "A horny electric toothbrush". lol

@MrKlawUK

3 жыл бұрын

gotta get them clicks!

If you think range anxiety and road trip worries are bad with an electric car, try it in a hydrogen car with zero refueling infrastructure.

This is one of my favorite videos that you and Tommy have done I was laughing like crazy. Great job. Keep up the good work.

Hydrogen power is a cool concept, but so far that all it is, a concept. Until they can up the efficiency of hydrogen production and cut the cost, it will never be a viable fuel for the every day driver.

@calindor19

3 жыл бұрын

Hydrogen need a héroe or someone rich like Elon

@bentullett6068

3 жыл бұрын

Its coming lots of chemical companies are already developing green hydrogen to make hydrogen sustainable, easily available and cheaper to sell. The cars and infrastructure to pump fuel into the cars have been tested, it's just the fuel supply to the pumps that needs improvement.

The oddest element of every video these two make is that fact that Tommy is the one arguing for the "old-person argument" and his Dad is the one arguing FOR future tech. It's so flipped- love it.

@TheGecko213

3 жыл бұрын

Its planned that way. Adds to the fun

@TFLcar

3 жыл бұрын

Not it actually is that way 🤣

Possibly the best blend of comedy and information I’ve seen with any car talk channel yet. Great job guys. Neither car would be my choice yet, but interesting none the less. I’ll take the Rivian SUV please... the type of vehicle I’ve wanted for over twenty years.

The worse is that you need far more electricity. So more expansive and less climate friendly. Mirai : grid -> electrolysis -> compression -> transportation (with a diesel semi) -> distribution (with yet to be build stations) -> fuel cell -> battery -> motor. Tesla : grid -> battery -> motor.

If the H2 infrastructure were there, I'd take the Mirai in a heartbeat. Hoping to see higher output FCVs as time goes on and H2 filling stations start to proliferate.

Hydrogen isn't happening.

I like the irony of saying "advanced technology seems like magic to primitive minds" whilst not understanding, embracing the newness and more advanced technology that is a fuel cell. I think a missed point is the environmental costs of electric cars like Tesla. How is the electricity generated that powers the car? In some states, it could mean more coal burning. What is the impact of acquiring the raw materials?

When I drive cross country need something that I can refuel quickly to continue the journey. Right now neither of these two qualify for what I'd want. However once hydrogen refuel stations are as numerous as gas/diesel stations or an all electric can be fully recharged in under 5 minutes we'll look at these again.

I’m sorry but I hat fan boys. “Why do I need a start button?” 💀

So basically in the Toyota you are sitting on a giant explosive

@THEREALZENFORCE

2 жыл бұрын

In the Tesla you sit in a car that if the battery is damage burns whole in less than 5 seconds while parking. If you ride motorcycles, you also rude giant explosives on two wheels, how many moto explosions n the last hundred years. In the meantime 160000 Tesla of a less than 1.3 million total Tesla cars ever produced recalled :-)

I LOVE these videos! You banter is priceless! Well done keep them coming. I laughed out loud at least 6 times.

Once the hydrogen infrastructure expands to nationwide, the Mirai makes more sense. It more closely matches the gas cars that drivers are used to, quick easy fill-ups and much better range than Tesla. For now however, if you do mostly intown commuting the Tesla is fine.

@joeybulford5266

Жыл бұрын

Is this a thing? Are there plans to open hydrogen stations? Before right now I didn’t even know they were making hydrogen powered cars.

@ZeldaIsMyLove

Жыл бұрын

I think the solution is that dealerships have refuelling stations on site. So if you can buy the car from them, they'll sell you fuel.

For what the Mirai costs, it should have the 300HP And it should have a backseat bigger than a Mini Cooper And be available nationwide, with an infrastructure to support it Until it does, Tesla wins this comparison

@davidjones5059

2 жыл бұрын

that's Toyota making 100 hp cars

In the future, we will be driving each other crazy 😂

You know what your toaster is powered by electricity you know your tooth brush is powered by electricity Also hydrogen is made by electricity and it’s important

The BIGGEST factor for 95% of drivers is; the third output of a hydrogen fuel stack besides electricity and water, is HEAT! Heat coming off the stack keeps the interior cabin and battery component warm. The Tesla needs to burn range amps from their battery for resistance heaters. In Canada (and Colorado), Tesla range is terrible on cold days. In Canada & USA, there is an abundance of ‘blue’ hydrogen left over from petroleum and petrochemical processing.

😅 Great vid, Fuel cell is seasoned tech from the space program. I'd love to see a show or series on buying used EV's. The ins, outs and pitfalls.

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

Totally different technology. A fuel cell in space is used for a single mission or two. A fuel cell in a car has to be refueled hundreds of times, the tanks have a lifespan limit due to high pressure, etc. Also, the cost is not an issue in a space program, the fuel cost on earth means it is not even cost competitive with gasoline car, let alone electric cars.

@fgeiger41

3 жыл бұрын

@@redbaron6805 of course the tech has changed same basic principle using different chemical processes used.

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

@@fgeiger41 My point was, the principal technology is very similar, but the application is different. In the space program, a fuel cell costing tens of thousands isn't a big deal. That same fuel call will only operate for a few days or maybe weeks, in a carefully controlled environment. It doesn't have to be cost effective or last for years. This is different in the auto sector. Those fuel cells have to last for thousands of hours, operate in variety of environments and be cost effective. Fuel cells are simply not cost effective for passenger cars. They can be cost effective for buses, trucks, ships and airplanes however. Battery cars are simpler, cheaper to operate, last longer, and don't require any infrastructure changes beyond routine power grid maintenance and upgrades.

@fgeiger41

3 жыл бұрын

@@redbaron6805 agreed. My original comment was changed by my predictive text. Meant "similar" not seasoned.

@redbaron6805

3 жыл бұрын

@@fgeiger41 I think we will see fuel cells in the future in some forms. They definitely have their applications and uses. They have fuel cell fork lifts for example which appear to work well. But I think in passenger cars they simply don't make sense. Batteries have already advanced past the point where fuel cells can catch up. Due to space limitations and infrastructure limitations, passenger cars are not the future. But truck and bus depots and commercial applications where you can have Hydrogen station supporting a fleet of vehicles like trucks and buses, that is definitely an application that may work.

I love how Tommy took on the part of the hmm...More seasoned humans. Tommy, The future may be coming for fuel cell, but the future is here for all electric. But I love your videos

@badgerpa9

3 жыл бұрын

The future is also here for huge pit mines to get the resources out of the ground for electric cars.

@anthonyreynolds2365

3 жыл бұрын

@@badgerpa9 Mining is the hidden ugly side of EVs but luckily you only have to mine those materials once. Batteries are recyclable.

@badgerpa9

3 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyreynolds2365 where do you recycle ev batteries? It is not an easy task, unless something has recently changed.

@anthonyreynolds2365

3 жыл бұрын

@@badgerpa9 spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumion-battery-recycling-finally-takes-off-in-north-america-and-europe Right now there isn't a huge demand for recycling since there really isn't many bateries to recycle yet. The bulk of current recycling needs are for portable electronics but they pale in comparasion to the amount of materials in EV batteries. Tesla currently recycles any battery pack they replace on their vehicles. They have even created their own in house process for this. Other manufacturers also require customers to return their batteries to them for recycling when replacing as well. However replacements have been rare and been mostly for warranty/defect reasons. It just isn't economical to not recycle the batteries. Nickel and Cobalt are too valuable and rare to be wasted in landfills.

@205rider8

2 жыл бұрын

@@badgerpa9 Idiotic comment. You forget about deep abandoned oil wells spewing methane.

I’m just sitting here stuffing my face with food watching y’all while trying not to laugh 😂

Hindenburg's fabric covering was doped with a solution that included aluminum powder, and in certain sections iron oxide, which are sometimes used as components in solid rocket fuel. Just saying

@sqmotorsports9230

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget thermite. :)

11:52 I literally dropped my phone and started clapping, no joke. Go Tommy!

@dieselpreetsingh9544

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 He should have also said that Toyota is busy making profit and giving share holders annual dividend unlike a scammer....lol

Forget the review. You both are like top gear father and son. What a wonderful father and tommy you are a PHENOMENAL SON. All the best.

Like always. Great debate back and forth with Dad and Son. Keep these videos coming, very good entertainment and also informative.

That Toyota had bigger gaps on its front hood than the Tesla... I like the video but the model Y hating by tommy is getting old, did the exact same thing in the other model Y video.

Don’t forgot only in California XD where you can put hydrogen

Interesting. Both seem unnecessary and linited compared to the ICE/hybrid for the foreseeable future. Guess that's why Toyota leads in hybrids.

“cause im not a gorilla, and i can gently close..” lol you guys make a great couple !