Thanks Eddy's Chevrolet Cadillac for loaning me the Hummer! Check out their crazy inventory here: www.eddyschevroletcadillac.com

@ModelA

Жыл бұрын

Don't feel bad Tyler. My dad doesn't watch my videos either. He's 93 years old.

@ssbkc

Жыл бұрын

Poor poor rich guy. 😢

@RobertDooley-sl7cp

Жыл бұрын

I think you got yourself on Fox News again...lol

@WhiskyCardinalWes

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure that water leak in the back seat (where your daughter sits) will close up with use!

@jswets5007

Жыл бұрын

If EVs are the future, heated seats will most likely be the way forward instead of cabin heating. It does seem quite ridiculous, but only because our entire culture has been conditioned to ambient air climate control as opposed to the Dutch oven/ hot water bottle methods used by previous generations. We'll see what happens, but it's actually not looking good for EVs, considering the power grid issues now being proven to limit the ability of EV owners to drive their vehicles.

Am I the only one who noticed water leakeage inside the Hummer when Tyler pulled out of the GM dealer? 🤔

@zachelliott9231

Жыл бұрын

Noticed that too and you can see it on the center console lid at 12:48 😆

@scootersfrog

Жыл бұрын

thats t-tops for ya

@cesarmoreno403

Жыл бұрын

Typical GM

@simonpugh4646

Жыл бұрын

Came here to leave that comment but you beat me to it!

@BRBTechTalk

Жыл бұрын

I had to rewind and look again but there is water pooling someplace in that rig, not long before it will smell mouldy I am sure.

I see the Hummer comes with everything, including a built in shower for those really early commutes.

@EarlofBaltimore

Жыл бұрын

It's a real time saver.

@jeffroyj95

Жыл бұрын

I saw it peeing from the back seat as well.....worth $200,000!!!

@Andrew-ci6nw

Жыл бұрын

When you are cold in the mornings you need that extra wake up. That's a £10k add-on

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

I ordered the sauna option.

@MrGTO-ze7vb

Жыл бұрын

LOL.. someone didn't close the roof hatches properly. No charge for the shower...!!!

"This feels a hundred years into the future!" *water POURING from roof into interior* 😂😂😂😂😂

@orishaeshu1084

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t go to the Moon in that.

I love the water running in the truck at around the 12:10min mark. Hoovie is really in to a brand new vehicle with a water leak.

@bobjohnson1587

Жыл бұрын

Hoovie thrives on mayhem! Mayhem creates content and views. And views and subscribers brings revenue!

@leonel9110

Жыл бұрын

It could be from the sunroof it happens when water gets stuck from the tops

@jasono2139

Жыл бұрын

Much like the Tesla Model X... It's a feature!!

Only $100K and you get water leaking tops brand new straight from the dealership.. That sounds about right for GM.

@Maybe1Someday

Жыл бұрын

Imagine you park it outside and the water freezes cracking the tops

@johnnyshd8250

Жыл бұрын

And then GM will have about five "how to fix" bulletins to fix the problem. I have been there as a tech.

@ne2i

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@stephanrosos4957

Жыл бұрын

It's a built-in shower feature. No extra cost!

@archiethedog4515

Жыл бұрын

It's a factory option

Me watching hoovie hyping up this Hummer EV while water is leaking inside while he has no clue is Gold. Bravo GM.

@Holeyguagaamoley

Жыл бұрын

Well spotted at 12.15

@earlmendoza4421

Жыл бұрын

Lol. I thought he was going to notice it.

@drunkenhobo8020

Жыл бұрын

Good to know that even as GM step into a bold new future, they don't forget their roots.

@Jeff-bd5yo

Жыл бұрын

That's hilarious

@dasko3

Жыл бұрын

I just came here to point that out. Glad someone else spotted it.

Till EVs go over 500 miles on a charge in hot or cold and can charge up in 15-20 min it will be nothing more than a novelty to me. HFC needs more love.

@sillymesilly

10 ай бұрын

And last one year and be required to buy new $60,000 batteries

@396375a

9 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!!!

@apollomoon1

9 ай бұрын

It’s an ideology not a practicality. You are correct but they can’t be confused with facts, their minds are made up.

@mxoudi

8 ай бұрын

Yep, I agree 100% Going to need to wait atleast another 5 years before solid state batteries are implemented.

Wayyyyy back in the day, my dad found out the hard way that he hadn't put the hatch roof in properly when going through the car wash. Thanks Hoovie for bringing back that memory. 😄

@mariedenison7710

Жыл бұрын

My dad just took ours through the car wash and didn’t realize there was a stick stuck in the sunroof. He got a whole shower & I still have damp rid buckets soaking up the moisture in it 😂😂

Can you imagine a car running on gas. It has a hole in the tank so you have to keep topping the tank up when it's in the garage. In cold weather the leak gets worse so you have to fill it up. But the gas station sells the wrong gas so you can't use it. At the next gas station the pump doesn't work. The third one has a 6 hour queue. The fourth station is empty. Great. Except it takes 6 hours to fill the tank. And still people insist this is the future.

The water stream when pulling out the parkinglot was hillarious! 🤣

@jake78441

Жыл бұрын

I had to rewatch it like 3 times to make sure that was inside and shit it was lmao

@chevyhead7274

Жыл бұрын

@@jake78441 same hahaha wtf

@HAHA.GoodMeme

Жыл бұрын

GM build quality rofl

@hayabusabg85

Жыл бұрын

yeah, hahaha he didn't see it :D

@mickeyslim

Жыл бұрын

Lmao I was like wtf

Tip number 1 to make it through the winter with your electric vehicle: Don't buy one.

@manoflead2728

Жыл бұрын

Hehe imma stick with my 2006 Silverado forever

@jasono2139

Жыл бұрын

No!! You can make it through winter with an EV just fine!! ...so long as you park it in your garage until spring! 😂

@manoflead2728

Жыл бұрын

@@jasono2139 I paid 8000 for my truck a ev is 70k I think I’m beyond convinced about keeping my truck and rebuilding her forever

@jasono2139

Жыл бұрын

@@manoflead2728 yeah... Electric trucks seem kind dumb to me. Maybe if they made a light PHEV, that might make financial sense... But the thought of towing anything anywhere more than a hundred miles away from home sounds like a nightmare of a trip. I own a PHEV minivan and it's the best of both worlds - better on gas and a little more pricey than regular gas powered van, but MUCH LESS than an EV. Even with the tiny 16kWh battery pack, that's enough to replace half the miles we drive with electricity, but never having to worry about getting stuck at a charging station. 🤷 Nor did I have to install a level 2 charger so it wouldn't take DAYS to recharge.

Was disappointed that he never once mentioned how much range the hummer was using while driving it like he did with the lighting

@javman6022

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure GM paid him to review it. He owns the Lightning. I'm sure the Hummer sucks every bit as bad but he wasn't going to tell us. Money talks.

@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg

Жыл бұрын

@@javman6022 with how heavy that hummer is I'm better it can at least get 500 miles lmao

@orishaeshu1084

Жыл бұрын

@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg put the Hummer battery in the F150, instant 600 mile range.

@jcam447

Жыл бұрын

Don't feel bad, he didn't mention the shower feature either lol 😆

It’s crazy to believe what these things have become. The fact that they put a built in shower in the interior is absolutely mind boggling.

@honkhonkler7732

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, modern vehicles are getting insane with a price tag to match. Went back to an OBS Chevy.

@joesmith9216

Жыл бұрын

@@honkhonkler7732 fukk ev's, we either boycott them or we all be stuck with them.

@Guillotines_For_Globalists

Жыл бұрын

@@honkhonkler7732 hey you bastard stop stealing my identity!

@Google_Does_Evil_Now

Жыл бұрын

That amount of water coming from the ceiling, WTF!!!!! :-)

@MrZrryan2

Жыл бұрын

top quality GM product... brand new... 100K plus... and it leaks !!! Perfect. Well done GM.

I think someone needs to mention the waterfall feature at least 100 more times after this haha 😂

@anguslean4058

Жыл бұрын

I heard Hoovie drowned today

@marcus_w0

Жыл бұрын

This is just to moisturize the air, making a comfortable environment for you as a driver. Dry air makes you wrinkles - and nobody likes these.

@graemejohnson9025

Жыл бұрын

nah, thats so like TFL and stuck on the side of the road for 8 hours, you can Freshen up...

@monkeybarmonkeyman

Жыл бұрын

GM, yah? 🙂

@dannyhull8007

Жыл бұрын

Hey! Doencha know, "Quality Is Job One!" Oh wait, thats Ford. My bad.

Cold weather range is a real issue. Glad someone finally made a video.

@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444

Жыл бұрын

IMO efficient gas hybrids are where it's at

@lordduo034

Жыл бұрын

We've known about this issue for over a decade

@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444

Жыл бұрын

@@aternal9491 EV cold starts are important because lots of people don't and never will have a garage or place to plug in at night. Any auto company or government that declares that they're going to sell EVs only is insane.

@seaplaneguy1

Жыл бұрын

@@lordduo034 My old boss in 1990 INVENTED the modern EV (Caltech guys) and spent $10 million to find out range went in 1/2 in cold/hot weather. They invented also the heated thermo electrics... They assumed the heating was trivial. Later they did the calucaltion and it turned out 50% of load. LOL.

@Neojhun

Жыл бұрын

@@seaplaneguy1 That makes no sense. On a modern BEV the max you heater can consume is about 2KW for battery heating and that gets the battery toasty warm. 2kW is a fraction of a Level 2 Charger power. You need stop with the impossible lies.

its so amazing and futuristic, as water pours in from the leaking roof. how did he not notice that when he edited the video , and if he did why did he keep the footage of himself taking about how great the quality was

@K05H

Жыл бұрын

Contractual obligations or something...

@harrybarnes3539

Жыл бұрын

Because this is the dumbest Automotive channel on all of KZread??? Pretty sure he discloses that at the beginning of every video

@gladitsnotme

9 ай бұрын

Because he's not a liar

Have you considered keeping it plugged in while driving? That bed would fit a fairly large generator.

@jackthatmonkey8994

Жыл бұрын

Wait can't you like decat a generator?? Is that how you can mess with the EPA?

@tinystar3010

Жыл бұрын

I love this comment for so many reasons lol Because doing that defeats the purpose of an EV as you're now back to using gasoline again, and a generator takes up some space reducing the functional use of the truck bed and the reason his co-buyer needs the truck. It's hilarious that the one option that might actually be beneficial, a generator, just proves you're better off with a gasoline truck to begin with lol

@jono6379

Жыл бұрын

@@tinystar3010 Then it's a plug in hybrid?😆

@rvoisey

Жыл бұрын

Diesel Electric isn't a new idea. A gas turbine generator would be more fun.

@nateavery2875

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha

My H3 used to leak from the sunroof too. Glad to see the tradition carrying on.

Loved the luxury feature, it have fancy vents and a indoor water fall, no other truck comes with that. If you check the invoice that's a 5000.00 dollar option.

@jmc6000

Жыл бұрын

The definition of GM quality in a nutshell

@dutchman2506

Жыл бұрын

Love the comment, it made my day

@mikeswartz3146

Жыл бұрын

Double in drought areas.

Brand new hooptie! The roof is pretty awesome but I can’t believe it leaking like that. Seems like these vehicles are being rushed thru development

@rjohnson80100

Жыл бұрын

Its a Hummer, so keeping with military tradition it has the cheapest parts made by the lowest bidder. Could be also GM. I've never had a GM product last over 100k miles.

@harrybarnes3539

Жыл бұрын

Well an old wise man once told me a long long time ago that if you get a vehicle with a sunroof it will leak at some point... I don't know that it's supposed to leak on day one but you know

Make sure you top off your roof fluid. And don't forget rotate the air in your tires.

@bizjetfixr8352

Жыл бұрын

You can get roof fluid at the same places that sell blinker fluid.

@peterpanini96

Жыл бұрын

Yeah hoptie add some radioctivw green shit so when it burns at least make the electric car look green while killing all wild animals close.to it. 🤣

@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney

Жыл бұрын

LOL right after he gushes like a schoolgirl about fit and finish😆

@nucleargrizzly1776

Жыл бұрын

@@bizjetfixr8352 I was doing some maintenance on my neighbors car. I sent her to an auto parts store with a list including blinker fluid. A bit later I get a call from her. There's laughter in the background and all she says is a-hole.

@HemiLyfestyle

Жыл бұрын

😭😭🤣🤣

I just loved it that Tyler said how amazing the fit and finish of the Hummer was and as soon as he started driving the car seemed like it had a leak from the roof 🤣

@Hubjeep

Жыл бұрын

My newest vehicle is a 2004, what is this vehicle going to look like in 18 years?! :eek:

@savagegtalks5912

Жыл бұрын

you think he notice? 🤣

@locorocco7487

Жыл бұрын

@@savagegtalks5912 I don't think so lol

@jwalster9412

Жыл бұрын

Atleast it water proof and designed for rain.. right??

@kingsamoanOG

Жыл бұрын

@@Hubjeep This vehicle in 18 yrs will be a piece of plastic scrap long gone and recycled

Any construction worker in a northern state that uses cordless tools could have told you this was going to happen. My batteries never last as long in winter as they do the other 3 seasons.

@diann546

4 ай бұрын

Any photographer will tell you one of the first rules of winter photography is to have extra batteries and keep them warm!

The more videos I see like this, the more it makes me believe these EV trucks are a long way off from being feasible for daily use

@mt2nv1

Жыл бұрын

Certain brand yes. Others aren’t affected like this. Poor thermal management engineering.

@jmabs5096

Жыл бұрын

Until battery technology or alternative source of energy is viable for mass production, I won't buy a EV for atleast a decade

@asdf51501

Жыл бұрын

I suspect many if not most EV enthusiasts just magically assume the technology will be there when the time comes. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. Technology is one thing, but getting it to magically just modify the laws of physics for electrical charging might just be another, but making EVs the only kind of vehicle that can be purchased new in California in 2035 is nothing but arrogance on the part of Gavin Newsom (Leftist governor there).

@garyszewc3339

Жыл бұрын

@@asdf51501 it's in the news that in Switzerland they don't have enough electricity and are looking at making trips with EVS for emergency use only this winter. They are also talking shutting down businesses to reduce hours and to mandate lower heating temperatures to save the energy because the EVS are killing their system.

@peterdietrich9491

Жыл бұрын

@@garyszewc3339 Thats just an emergency plan in case there is not enough in the future.

Hands down the best towing channel on KZread.

@720sobsessed6

Жыл бұрын

That was good lmao

@NotAnonymousNo80014

Жыл бұрын

Why is he not towing anything in this one?

@DM0407

Жыл бұрын

Came here from the Alex Jones channel, I'm not disappointed.

@rwdplz1

Жыл бұрын

@@NotAnonymousNo80014 You have to set a baseline before you tow. You don't watch his towing tests every week?!

@SevenHunnid

Жыл бұрын

He needs to collab with Seven Hunnid on KZread & do a high mukbang

Nevermind all the water dripping in when you started driving the Hummer. LMAO

@FishFind3000

Жыл бұрын

Dripping? That was pouring!

@torlandmusiq

Жыл бұрын

12:15 lol

@bwofficial1776

Жыл бұрын

The more GM changes, the more it remains the same. Quality is job number #37 or something like that.

I've had my lightning for 3 months now. My temperature in the mornings are currently n the 40's. I was looking at his dash where he was getting 1.4 mi/kwh and 1.1 mi/kwh on his way home. I thought that was low but wasn't sure what he did or didn't do to cause it to be that low. I do park my truck in the garage. I do leave it plugged in, I do set a departure time because why wouldn't you, it warms up the cabin. And I almost never feel the need to run the heater since it stays warm on my drive. Except to defrost for a few minutes if the windy gets foggy. I use my truck for work. I carry ladders, boxes of wire, tools and supplies for the day. Nothing huge, but I'm definitely not empty. I have been averaging 2.0 mi/kwh for the past month. I also have solar at home to offset my charging cost. I think people need to understand what they are buying and I've told many the truck is not for everybody. For me it's perfect. I love it every day. I'm saving $600 a month on gas. I've used the truck batteries to power a scissor lift that wasn't plugged in the night before. Power a hammer drill in a warehouse that didn't have power. I would never drive a gas powered vehicle with it's exhaust into this warehouse. I've had 1,000lbs of wood pellets in the bed with no noticeable difference in the 20 mile drive home. If you live in a very cold temperature, be prepared. But research first before regretting a large purchase.

@SergeantMedicine

Жыл бұрын

Real world numbers and use cases don't make for good clickbait I guess. Glad to hear your experiences have been like this, I'm looking at getting one in Utah.

@JeffDeLamater

Жыл бұрын

2.0 mi/kwh? What was your Lightning getting in warmer temps?

@cantbe03

Жыл бұрын

@@JeffDeLamater I only got it in mid October. But i talked to a neighbor with a Mach E, he says his summer time ratings were great, but i have yet to see. When i drive in the city and it's over 50 degrees, I will regularly see 2.4 miles/kwh But I live in the country 20 miles outside of the city so it always brings my average down when driving to job sites. I have seen 2.2 for a whole day. Interestingly, I drove in the mountains on a steep incline. I had 18 miles to go to my destination and used 32 miles of charge. On the way back down the mountain though, I gained 10 miles of charge back so for the most part it leveled itself out.

@cantbe03

Жыл бұрын

@@SergeantMedicine It really is an awesome truck. Fun to drive. So quiet, Driving hands free on the highway is relaxing. So many smart features. I guess everybody wants to discuss the battery or try to knock electric. Where I live I'm saving a bunch on gas and I have 42 solar panels to offset the cost so I'm hardly paying anything for"fuel". And even if I wasnt saving, in my opinion the truck is about as nice a ride as you'll find.

@JeffDeLamater

Жыл бұрын

@@cantbe03 That's interesting. I have an Ioniq 5 RWD, not AWD. I got mine in August, just before the EV tax breaks changed. Back in the summer I was getting ~4.3. When the temps dropped into the 30s and 40s, that dropped down to around 3.2mi/kwh. I do mostly driving around town, but back in September, I drove it from Atlanta to Orlando, and back, and because the temps were somewhat mild during the trip, I didn't need to use AC or heat, just the fans, and on that trip, I got ~3.5 mi/kwh, though I'm sure that would have been lower with AC or heat.

Had a friend who bought one in North Dakota. Drove 200 miles to get it in 30 degree weather with a standard North dakota head wind to get home.. He was only making 60-80 miles per charge had to charge 3 times to get 200 miles. That's with the heater off too. He promptly drove it back the next day and forced them to refund him everything. Bought a different truck.

Hoovie: "this thing feels 100 years into the future" Me: "I guess they still haven't fixed t-tops 100 years in the future"

good to see that gm quality still coming through with the all new rear passenger washing system

@JayNayMay

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@olikat8

Жыл бұрын

But Mary Barra wants you to know GM will be the most diverse, inclusive employer...never mind the crap product. Just slap a rainbow sticker on the back & enjoy the "Double virtue" pose

@Subarusyndicate

Жыл бұрын

@@olikat8 as the car guy raves about the product? You guys will find a way to complain about anything and everything, then make it about race and gender lmao.

@olikat8

Жыл бұрын

@@Subarusyndicate your totally missed the point, but critical thinking isn't many folks strong point. The point? Instead of focusing on product, Mary Barra & crew are focusing on PC "Virtue signals." I don't want to spend a ton of money on garbage, and GM keeps piling on the S. FYI...I'm a member of the Choctaw & Chickasaw Nations. So exactly what do you mean by "You guys," whitey? 😆

@lolbuster01

Жыл бұрын

That's pretty typical of T-tops, but you would assume they would have improved it by now.

Performance in cold weather for EVs is kind of a known issue. I believe every EV has this problem to some degree. In the video I believe Tyler mentions he did not have the truck plugged in overnight & such. You do use EVs a little different than gas cars, so I am not too surprised of poor performance, but this did seem more than I may expect. It is better to look at 'range' in terms of % vs. miles. The miles shown are a calculation 'guess' where % is %. Batteries are pickey, they don't like to be too hot or too cold. I live in a hot climate, so that has its own set of issues for a BEV car.

@3DRCRACER

Жыл бұрын

The TFL guys just did a good video on range in cold weather on their EV channel. They took their F150 lightning to the artic circle. Similar points mad, but in general percentage is the thing to look at not how many miles you see.

@3DRCRACER

Жыл бұрын

Another person pointed out that the odometer readings between the towing video and this range video show the F150 had not really been driven that much.

@Neojhun

Жыл бұрын

Hot climate do not effect liquid cooled battery much. They do great and have nearly no problem with normal street use. It only has heat soak problems when you are driving in extreme conditions like RACING. Your comment is such vague generalised simplification it has no technical accuracy.

@jasono2139

Жыл бұрын

Just climbing up hills is enough to really wreck your range in an EV. If you're driving on generally flat roads, you are barely using any power and can go really long distances... You hit a modest hill and need to climb a hill a few hundred feet in elevation? You just lost 3 miles of range to drive 0.5 mile! The regenerative braking will get some of that back on a down hill, but it's usually much less than half.

Does the hummer come standard with a huge roof leak or is it an optional extra?

A one hundred thousand dollar electric hummer and the roof leaks. Way to go GM, never mind improvement through evolution and just jump in with both feet, once again.

@racingfortheson

Жыл бұрын

Quality control 🤣🤣🤣

@MichaelRCarlson

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if he saw it during editing.....not that he does the editing

@shahan484

Жыл бұрын

and people say tesla have bad quality lol.

@mauricemotors8207

Жыл бұрын

Both of them are jokes an it shows we aren’t ready for ev trucks

@shahan484

Жыл бұрын

@@mauricemotors8207 GM and Ford both of them don't really have any in house electric vehicle components because all American giants moved to offshore production. They don't even have the engineering required to make motors and batteries, what can you expect from them. Just another half assed attempt at taking a piece of Tesla pie. Next year Tesla truck releases, it will again shrink the puny sales of GM and Ford E trucks.

Total home run leaking roof and all! I’m sure the 4 wheel steering will hold up just as good as the last chevy product to have that as well.

@Chilicharger665

Жыл бұрын

Mine is 20 years old and still works fine.

@oklavortex

Жыл бұрын

There's tons of Quadrasteer Silverados and Sierras out there that still work just fine- just have sensor issues (like most 20 year old vehicles)

@emreviewsmore3807

Жыл бұрын

Just wait till it does act up the parts to fix them are unavailable

@benbrown5913

Жыл бұрын

I wish they still made them. I would buy a Quadrasteer HD truck in a second. My X5 has four wheel steer and it’s amazing.

@Chilicharger665

Жыл бұрын

@@emreviewsmore3807 no, there is a reproduction company that makes them now

It's the same issue with the European Mach-E. The range decreases by nearly or over 50%

I live in the North East. Got a One Wheel GT electric board in April. So my recent rides in 50 degree weather were the first rides in cooler weather. The first thing I noticed was the battery level going down markedly quicker. I won't be riding in sub 30 degree temperatures and I don't rely on my One Wheel for my primary transportation mode. If I did I would be very disappointed.

I see that GM is still the leader at making proper T Tops that leak!

@feron450

Жыл бұрын

I owned a 2001 trans am ws6. Never leaked. I’m so glad I didn’t have that issue my 1985 z28 camaro leaked like a sieve even after replacing the ttops seals.

"Your mileage may vary" now has a whole new meaning. Hope you don't need heat!🙂

@fifthward1983

Жыл бұрын

hope you dont live in the north east or canada. these ev are expensive junk.

@the_mowron

Жыл бұрын

@@fifthward1983 or Florida or Texas in the summer

@draecath5953

Жыл бұрын

@@fifthward1983 Basically the only places it works is fairly even climates where you don't get four seasons like say california but they can't support the evs they have let alone more. Colder environments or real hot environments it simply isn't practical and I don't see that changing for many many years.

@lf2417

Жыл бұрын

@@fifthward1983 agreed, so many Canadians are getting Teslas or other EVs just to look cool and progressive. They are going to get stuck in the snow this winter if they can even get off their own street without the battery depleting LoL

@bobbyledger2249

Жыл бұрын

Tesla batteries have a climate control system. There are teslas everywhere in the north east. I rarely see you broke down. I drive an f150. Just saying. Not sure how the new lightning is. They haven’t been out long enough

Same issue with the gas version too. I always lose a 1/3rd of my mileage in the winter time or towing. But yes this is the biggest limitation with lithium batteries. The technology can not be used in extreme cold or extreme hot climates and it suffers as it gets close to either extreme. Its right there in the specification for lithium ion technology. So the ev makers are not designing the thermo management systems correctly for the battery technology. This lack of proper design with there batteries could actually make it a lemon issue...?

@finish_my_projects

Жыл бұрын

It's called physics, it's not a design problem... and you absolutely 100% DO NOT lose 1/3 of your range on a gas engine in winter, that is a LIE

That drive isn't even bad. On a personal experience. Used to live in the Hawthorne right across 21st Street and driving down K-96 and I-135 is not that bad of a drive. Man I guess I have to sub now because just watching you drive through that area is super nostalgic😂

Man the specs on this GM is insane...comes with its own shower ..totally nuts look at roof 12-14 12:40.

@RollingRoadEFI

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love Government Motors :D

@TheAnnoyingBoss

Жыл бұрын

These electric vehicle people are insane I'm convinced. So many are brainwashed to say electric cars are good no matter what no matter how bad it gets. These vehicles are trash!

@ttamcc.4674

Жыл бұрын

@@RollingRoadEFI Government Motors, i like that lmao

@timothyhoese2872

Жыл бұрын

Leaky ASC sunroof no doubt!

@RollingRoadEFI

Жыл бұрын

@@ttamcc.4674 It's either that or Garbage Makers.

Did anybody else notice the water coming from the Hummer's ceiling at 12:42?

@thatdudeca

Жыл бұрын

At first I thought it might be condensation from the hot air in the vehicle defrosting the sunroof but im not sure

@ogjesseesquivel878

Жыл бұрын

@@thatdudeca look at 12:15 clearly visible

@thiagomarques3036

Жыл бұрын

someone didn't put the roof back on properly...

@tallll70

Жыл бұрын

could be anything not necessarily such poor seal, they could have wash it right before he got it and not close everything all the way

@FJB8885

Жыл бұрын

@@tallll70 If you wash a car and then drive it and it comes through the tops that means you got to leak in your tops pretty clear. Did they use water hose inside of the car or on the outside of the car?

I own a Lightning Extended Range and a lot of the complaints Hoovie has about range and power are mitigated with the larger battery and preconditioning before you leave ie. Start the truck in your app 10min before you leave as you would warm up an ICE truck. Yes the range has dropped in the cold but not by the 50% Hoovie was seeing. Last weekend road trip 400miles+ round trip I stopped once to top off charge on the way there and once top off on the way home because I'm paranoid about range but could probably have just stopped once total. It's not perfect by any means but for my driving habits it's perfect. 0-60 in 4seconds it's pretty cool too. Frunk is super handy as well.

@kgb4187

Жыл бұрын

I like how he says the Hummer's battery is twice the size of his base model Lightning's battery.

@bigtreepu234

Жыл бұрын

It is over twice the size, 98kWh vs 200kWh. He also doesn't have a base model Lightning, but it does have the standard range battery pack.

@matthewklos7184

Жыл бұрын

@@bigtreepu234 Hoovie says that the Hummer has more range than the Lightning ER which is true by an estimated 30miles (350 vs. 320) but the Hummer's battery is twice the size of the standard Lightning and 70kWH more than the Lightning ER. A lot of extra weight, cost to charge, and time to charge the Hummer vs. the Lightning ER. He really needs a fast charger at home. My Ford Charge Station Pro at 80A @ 240v (19kWH) charges my truck up fast - makes a huge difference

@johnfranklin5277

Жыл бұрын

We have enough things going on in the world to cause us anxiety.....I don't need to add RANGE anxiety to the list....

@jasono2139

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewklos7184 yeah, nothing says "EVs are so practical!" like having to spend $5k+ to have an electrician install a 240V, 80 AMP!! connection so you can charge your 130kWh battery in only 7 hours instead of 11 hours! 🤣

"what amazing fit and finish" *Literally gives you a free shower when it rains*

Did anyone else see the hummer leaking water threw the glass top when he made the right turn out of the dealership lol

@elliotrodriguez1363

Жыл бұрын

yeap I had to re-play to confirm.. but it does looks like leaking water!!

@johnomara6023

Жыл бұрын

@Yippee Skippy I was not shooting for perfect grammar it was a quick comment next time I will be aware grammar police are out.

Towing while in the cold next, don’t let us down Hoovie!!!

@joeodorisio6893

Жыл бұрын

OMG if he did that he's gonna need his ram on stand by!

I live in northeast Minnesota, hell when it is 37 we run around in long sleeve t-shirts, that, is just a bit chilly, not cold. Try driving in four wheel drive though six inches of snow with the temps in the low teens or below zero with the heater and defroster on full blast.

Shoulda got the 1200 mi range battery, thatll get you 80 miles no problem

It’s great to see how hoovie has grown since starting off as a humble towing channel.

@CheesusSVT

Жыл бұрын

Love the name. Please turn our water into wine.

@PuerRidcully

Жыл бұрын

Its' not great to see how people like you get away with blasphemy. If you were impersonating prophet Muhammad you and people like you would be banned in an instant.

@LiveFreeOrDieDH

Жыл бұрын

With you, Jesus, all things are possible! On that note, can you send me a reliable 4WD truck capable of light to medium towing and off-roading? Doesn't have to be new or fancy. You the (Son of) Man, dawg! Amen

@McNubbys

Жыл бұрын

I still remember his towing review of the Buick Park Avenue...it had room for improvement.

@tripel7470

Жыл бұрын

Ít's great to see him expand beyond towing

I feel your pain.. My gas powered 2005 Pontiac usually gets around 425 miles per tank. I got 421 miles in the cold. Plus it took me a whopping 3 minutes to refill it will gas.

@lesterparker1594

Жыл бұрын

My god. Why do we suffer like this?

@pscurti350

Жыл бұрын

@@lesterparker1594 Yes.. Shame we cant be part of the privileged EV drivers. Unfortunately we are barbarians still using fossil fuels.

@lesterparker1594

Жыл бұрын

@@pscurti350 at this point, I’m saying I’ll never buy an EV. Maybe in 20 years the technology and batteries will catch up. But for now there’s no way

@northdakotaham1752

Жыл бұрын

@@lesterparker1594 I wouldn't be caught dead driving or riding in a battery powered car. I don't even like battery powered golf carts! Btw....still running that Ranger? How's it holding up?

@lesterparker1594

Жыл бұрын

@@northdakotaham1752 just hit 25k miles and it’s better than ever. Except for some fool dinging my door at Walmart. Had to buy a dent removal kit to fix it. But the truck has been awesome.

As an hvac contractor, I understand the energy required to keep the heat going. This truck uses a heat pump for heating right? It's insulated right? I was considering the E transit, just can't make it work

Smart move Hoovie that is not the only issues it faces. Many are running into serious glitches and we do not even know how well they will hold up as time goes by.

12:40 - I love how in ULTRA NEW over 100k, state of the art electric truck T top is leaking like in some 30y old 3gen F body. GM quality at it FINEST

Hahaha! 12:40 I love the water coming from the roof!

@adeptpeasant6161

Жыл бұрын

😆 🤣

@funitoo

Жыл бұрын

it's like a miniature waterfall

At 12:12 as you are pulling out of the dealership with the hummer a stream of water came pouring in from one of the removable roof panels...

I know I'll be labeled as a Chevy Volt evangelizer, the Volt's backup engine really saves the day in situations like this. I was disappointed when I got my Volt and the range was about 60% of what it should get in winter time. But the engine will supplement the reduced range, so I have no more range anxiety. The electric range drop is a fact of life with EVs. Lithium Ion batteries prefer to be around 72F at all times. So your best range will be when the temperature is closest to that. Best range I ever got was a foggy day where the temperature stayed the same almost all day.

@wymple09

Жыл бұрын

My daughter has a Volt, lives in DesMoines, Iowa. Hard winters there. Never a range problem and even Jay Leno says this is the way they should be done. He put 93,000 on a Volt.

@joshuabraman4709

Жыл бұрын

Considering I drive too fast on the first half of my 120 mile commute, and want to use heat in the winter, I don't even bother to charge my Volt half the time in the winter. Just run it on the gas motor and thankfully that gas motor gets great mileage.

@capnthepeafarmer

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuabraman4709 dang! 120 mile commute is brutal! In the winter I will keep my Volt charged but I will use the pre-conditioning before I leave and I'll also use the mountain mode to keep 30% charge in the battery before the motor kicks on. That way the car is warm before I leave and I still have some reserve at the end of the day. Albeit my commute is only 35 miles round trip.

@AJ-zv9tn

Жыл бұрын

until it catches fire

@capnthepeafarmer

Жыл бұрын

@@AJ-zv9tn you could say the same about any other car.

Damn. That GMC comes with a built in shower. Awesome.

@teddibear1943

Жыл бұрын

If you're paying Range Rover prices it might as well leak like one

@greggthunderburg7294

Жыл бұрын

Because you're going to be living in it trying to keep it charged.

@holgermessner851

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry. American car manufacturers are still don’t get it. People need to drive the vehicles and not charging them 24 hours. After my nightmare experiences with FORD - I wouldn’t even think of getting an EV from them. And the price tags are out of normal people’s worlds! And GM? I never in my life have I seen dashboards falling apart! Bought a used 2010 Silverado 2500HD. 1st project? Clue all cracked pieces together in a truck with only 85,000 km on it. Ridiculous cheap quality.

@lsswappedcessna

Жыл бұрын

@@holgermessner851 Yeah, the GMT900 had dashboard cracking issues like mad. The worst part is, they got rid of the GMT800 dash design where you just removed the face, popped some clips, and everything came off. In the GMT900 you have to pull out a billion different screws under god knows how many trim pieces. It's ridiculous.

@holgermessner851

Жыл бұрын

@@lsswappedcessna I'm in Panama and it was ordered by the Panama Canal company originally for $30,000. No real parts supply here. I must order everything via online suppliers, shipping it to Miami and from there to Panama because there isn't a government mail company in Panama you can trust. And absolutely no house delivery at all. So plastic glue will be my main tool so far. When I got the truck, I looked at the dashboard and was like WTF! In the End, all plastic parts in the truck worse than a made in China car! I was told from Chevy in Panama replacement would be the same quality. Next will be a carpet or so. No plastic cover someone told me.

If you dim the screen to about 50%, you should be able to double your range.

@g.k.1669

Жыл бұрын

If you think about it, these EVs could prove fatal. Can you imagine a trip on a snowy back road in sub zero weather and this thing that initially proclaimed a far greater milage leaves you stranded? You quite literally have only a few hours to live if you do not have a cell signal.

@thunderlifestudios

Жыл бұрын

@@g.k.1669 that's assuming the battery heater gives out.

@michelhickey5765

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderlifestudios and assuming you wont meet a massive pileup and waiting 4 hours in traffic for the road to clear

@nnnjh8372

Жыл бұрын

@@g.k.1669 good.

@patmayer7222

Жыл бұрын

F'n brilliant!....

Are the seat heaters:heated steering/cabin heater Big contributors? I wouldnt be surprised if there are freeze protection heaters in/on the motors Side note maybe a freeze protection heater for the battery could help keep it within better operating temps(increased mileage??)

So we not gonna address that water leak with a closed roof

Loved seeing the water drop from the roof, when Tyler leaves the dealer. Around 12:15 or so. That's a GM premium product for you. Great job people. ..oh and: Daily driving that Ford in any serious way, is stupid. I'd take the money, absolutely no doubt. Buy a car that works in the real world.

@elDoober

Жыл бұрын

hur dur thats a GM product.... people that act like major car mfg this or major car mfg that is so obnoxious....

@RollingRoadEFI

Жыл бұрын

Garbage Makers lol.

@jamesmaybrick2001

Жыл бұрын

Say what you want you want about the Ford, at least its watertight. Lol. 100k joke.:)

@bubba99009

Жыл бұрын

The lightning makes perfect sense if you need an $75k vehicle to haul your groceries from the store 5 miles away and then brag to anyone who will listen that you don't buy gas - which to be fair is what most will use it and the much more expensive Hummer for. That is definitely the market for these.

you keep these videos up, Alex will have you on his show every week

Someone needs to come up with a Crossover Truck Tool Box that has a extra battery for long range and winter driving. Like the second tank open for an ICE pickup. No on uses the bed anyway, so it will put it to good use.

Hoovie loves it but I think the kids in the back will hate it due to being drenched from that bad roof seal.

"the fit and finish on this hummer is so nice" *roof immediately starts leaking inside* 😂

Imagine having this as a work truck and having to tow a dump trailer for 50 miles in winter. This is definitely a pass for me especially since the heavy price increase.

@whosyourdaddy00

Жыл бұрын

95% of lightning owners will never tow a thing. These are target parking lot queens like most trucks.

@robvandenassum3834

Жыл бұрын

@@whosyourdaddy00 Sorry but then why buy a truck? Get a SUV or Sedan. Trucks are meant for work and moving things.

@T4nkcommander

Жыл бұрын

I hate the assumption that if you aren't using 100% of the truck's capabilities every day then you shouldn't get one. Yeah I don't haul, tow, or jump my Raptor every day, but I do it frequently enough to justify the purchase.

@robvandenassum3834

Жыл бұрын

Yes it's sad what trucks have turned into. They used to be for the working man and the price reflected it. They were literally made for agriculture and industry. Now you have these pointless $100k+ trucks.

@4673962

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you. I just had to tow a heavy dual axel trailer today. It had almost 7,000 lbs of flooring on it. We went over a pass in 10° f snowing and cold. It was 70 miles one way. The house does have one plug-in in full time use with a 3-way loaded. It's a cabin way out in the mountains. So I couldn't plug it in and I also couldn't make it back on a single charge. If I had this ridiculous lighting I'd be screwed. Not to mention extra miles I'd drive to take my workers to the nearest town to eat back to worksite and then home again. This is a 12 hour day. So unless I pay an extra $4,000.00 for the power up grade unit from Ford then pay an electrician to in stall it, there would be no way it would charge enough in the 12 hours before I had to go again. Also if I had to do other running around when I got back or before I had to go back and do the whole trip over again. Theses things are absolutely ridiculous.

As someone who owns a plugin hybrid, the issue in the cold doesn't seem to be the battery. It's how much heat pulls out of the battery. I could be wrong though. You can just sit parked with the heat on and the battery will drain.

Yea, the cold range battery issues isn't specific to this truck. My 2014 Chevy Volt has the same problem. Pretty much all electic vehicles with lithium batteries have reduced range because it's difficult to get heat into the batteries so they work more efficient. Hopefully the upcoming Graphen batteries will lessen this issue.

The hummer even has a waterfall inside. Awesome!

@NaBUru38

Жыл бұрын

The roof's waterfall is a referrnce for the devrlopment methodology they still use at General Motors.

So how often does it top up your water bottle from the roof panels ??

@lilorbielilorbie2496

Жыл бұрын

smarshall3685 Apparently every time you make a right hand turn.

1.5 mi/kWh at 4:33. Hmm. I tend to see 2.4 to 2.8 mi/kWh in the first 1100+ miles I've driven my F-150 Lightning. I'm going to test towing with my 14,000 lb. equipment trailed and see what I get.

Forcing the girl to stand outside the truck to get a shot lol 😂

"Total home run" apparently means "it also rains inside"

@WTFUSERNAM44

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the camera mount was keeping the window gapped open.

Ford seems allergic to heat pumps, and this is probably a big reason for the bad winter range. The Mach-E doesn't have one, and neither does the Lightning. Many other EVs do (even Tesla has started adding them), and it's a big help in winter.

@volvo09

Жыл бұрын

I was going to ask if it had a heat pump. I wouldn't be able to touch an EV without a heat pump, or I'd have to retrofit a diesel parking heater. It's just too cold where I live...

@DerpotronGames

Жыл бұрын

@@volvo09 when it's very very cold, a heat pump does nothing. A heat pump only has a certain efficiency which means that it's only able to recover the temp from a certain percentage. Not having a heat pump doesn't have to be all that bad if your battery heater is effficient. Kia/Hyundai didn't have a heat pump in the Niro and Kona in the beginning and they still managed to be rather efficient in the winter regardless.

@Flies2FLL

Жыл бұрын

Just move to south Florida.....

@Schmuly

Жыл бұрын

@DerpotronGames I disagree cause the heat pump does more than just heat the cabin in the bigger Kia hyundai ev's also conditions the battery in the winter at any temperature, heat pumps really do still work deep into -40 winters in canada, it helps to keep the battery at optimum temps

@erebostd

Жыл бұрын

@@volvo09 nonsense. Many EVs ( like earlier VWs and many others] don’t have heat pumps here in norway/sweden. They work fine if you use them right and in the best case pre-heat.

can be said for all electric cars, the first Tesla I ever saw was actually being yanked onto a flatbed, in Canada here, it's battery had called it quits in traffic, it was -15F , the driver was actually trying to get it to a rapid charger, the windows were all iced up inside, total garbage!

This is what ev's do in the winter. I have a Model Y that gets 40% less range in the winter. It's excellent around town but would never take it on a trip. I have my gas guzzler for that.

Good tip to increase the range on your F-150... make sure its a diesel!

@terencejay8845

Жыл бұрын

EVs are just about OK if you have a daily 20-mile commute. I don't, and the only way I'll change is when an EV can do what my UK 2005 Mondeo 2.0TDCi diesel estate can do: 600+ miles on a full tank ( at 61 mpg, UK gallon ), with a five minute fill-up before I get another 600 miles out of it.

@Rat80088

Жыл бұрын

3.0litre gmc diesel has amazing fuel Mileage.

@Guillotines_For_Globalists

Жыл бұрын

@@terencejay8845 Agreed.

@LigerSupremacy

Жыл бұрын

@@terencejay8845 The Lucid Air has up to 850 mile range and can add 300 miles of range in 20 minutes at an Electrify America 350 kW charger. It's also not an ugly Mondeo.

@ProblemChild-xk7ix

Жыл бұрын

BS

It was sitting at -20 degrees F this morning here in Minnesota. I can only imagine what the range would have been for me.

@BobWiersema

Жыл бұрын

Yep. I'm your neighbor to the east in northern Wisconsin. Only 9° today but I have left my old Ford out in -25° a couple time. It doesn't much like starting but it will and it doesn't effect the mileage. Except for leaving it running when I go out for a burger and a beer.

@evictioncarpentry2628

Жыл бұрын

Same here buddy. Just north of you in Canada it was -30C or -22F. The old 5.0L was not a happy camper today. Lol

@HumbertoYi0878

Жыл бұрын

Better than his, this is complete bullshit, it wasn’t even cold

@cody6009

Жыл бұрын

Wisconsin here as well, when he said 30 degrees was cold I couldn't help but laugh at him... 30 in winter is warm for here lol. It has yet to get super cold here.

@davik9003

Жыл бұрын

@@cody6009 he's in Kansas, it gets just as cold there.

I would definitely purchase one of the new Hummers as long as they put small shelves on the dashboard so I can put my Lego and action figure collection !

I was at a conference in the 90s, and got to test drive the GM EV1. Sales rep said the range was equal to the temp in F. So at 90F, you go 90 miles. 60F, 60m. 40F, 40m. And so on. Nothing's changed.

@Columbiaskier

Жыл бұрын

Actually that’s not how these things work. You don’t get 0m at 0F.

This video is a a legend! The perfect example of KZread sponsorship. Talking about incredible build quality under the leaking roof..... :DDDDD HILARIOUS Keep up hoovie!

@jessefreeman553

Жыл бұрын

Never even mentioned how much range he was using in the hummer not onnce unlike with the lighting

@gladitsnotme

9 ай бұрын

He could've just left the sunroof open a smidge by accident. No proof yet that it's a crack in the seal.

Since it's so heavy it's still technically going to be a gas guzzler because it will use a lot of electricity to move it but at least it comes with a built-in shower

@northdakotaham1752

Жыл бұрын

Pity the poor fool college girl who gets flattened driving her fuel efficient Honda when she gets ran over by a 9000 pound EV which instantly explodes burning everything within 40 feet to a crisp and requiring 5000 gallons of water and four hours to extinguish. The insurance premium on EVs should be about $12k a year to cover the potential damages.

@shahan484

Жыл бұрын

@@northdakotaham1752 HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@mauricemotors8207

Жыл бұрын

@@northdakotaham1752 I agree they are way more dangerous than a regular vehicle.

@sybsygstgstsgysg5330

Жыл бұрын

@@northdakotaham1752 so true

@gerardmccarthy2432

Жыл бұрын

And will eat tires

12:16 when he turns in the hummer water leaks in twice 😆 🤣

🖐👍🏻thanks for steering me away from getting the Ford EV pickup! And buy your daughter a winter coat…useful in the cold!🤣

@girlonlaptop

Жыл бұрын

Dad doesn't even know to put a jacket on his kid. Explains a lot .

i love the leaking roof

@retrodave79

Жыл бұрын

100 years into the future.

@FishFind3000

Жыл бұрын

@@retrodave79 it’s funny how the more videos he makes about trying to promote EV’s the worse he makes them look every time!

@WhiskyCardinalWes

Жыл бұрын

Those leaks will close up with use!!

@mischiefpwns

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiskyCardinalWes That or it will get worse lol

@marcus_w0

Жыл бұрын

It's not leaking! It's moisturizing the inside! This is a quality feature!

12:15 It's nice that new hummer have shower feature

13:52 the way he says hummer right here really brings out the Kansas in him ahahah

So this truck is great as long as you are on a level road on a sunny, windless day with a temperature over 60 degrees while carrying no load. Yeah, definitely worth $80,000+ (just so long as you never do any task that is remotely related to actual work done with a truck).

Anyone else notice Hoovie didn't mention whether the Hummer's range also drops by half in the cold?

@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444

Жыл бұрын

Hoovie is chasing waterfalls

@cjsnylons

Жыл бұрын

@@readtherealanthonyfaucibyr6444 Don't go chasing waterfalls.

That Hummer must be made out of an old refrigerator. And the water dispenser still works.

I have a 2019 kona EV - during summer I get almost 300 miles range on a full charge. I just charged this weekend December 4th - and I only got 236 miles for a full charge. Not sure how these vehicles will work in colder climates...

My tesla model x is the same. It does around 80-90% of the claimed range in normal conditions. However in the winter it drops down to 50% which is ridiculous.

Awesome truck! 2 hours of driving, 2 hours of charging!

@sideshow101101

Жыл бұрын

A truck made for unions i think.

@davik9003

Жыл бұрын

I was to see what the range is in real world towing on a Wyoming ranch at like -8

@twsmith6598

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@andybales7318

Жыл бұрын

U drive over 100 miles daily? Most people don't

@lancelotlink3907

Жыл бұрын

$100,000 out the door in my area. Great truck cough cough

12:41 to 12:42 there is water that comes down from the roof in the interior from the top left of the screen. I wonder if it has issues with weather leaks

Thanks for posting this, it's valuable to people.

Just a weird thought. Because I’m just trying to think about where the energy loss from the loss in range went. The first law of thermodynamics says the energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Is it possible that now with the colder temperature there is a dense or more powerful charge when you’re using the car in colder weather? I’m wondering if in colder weather the truck feels more powerful? Should’ve like her with a gas engine when the temperatures are cooler you get a denser air charge and possibly gas is denser too so the engine is more powerful.

I'm not reading through 150+ comments to see if someone has pointed this out but... great fit and finish on a brand new hummer? With a ROOF LEAK?!?

@TheRealAlpha2

Жыл бұрын

Funny thing is you only needed to read like 2 comments, because every one of them is either "lol towing" or "leaky roof" posts.

@EarlofBaltimore

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealAlpha2 Yeah, you're right... Now that there are currently 676 comments. At the time I commented there were only 152 and those posts hadn't gotten upvotes yet.

@WhiskyCardinalWes

Жыл бұрын

Oh don't mind that! Those leaks will close up with use!!

@wolfgangpreier9160

Жыл бұрын

Free water! Which other manufacturer delivers their cars with free water from above? Only Government Motors!

@rogersmith7396

Жыл бұрын

Its GMs new "Singing in the Rain" option.

When I read the thumbnail, the first thing that came to mind was that scene from The Martian. "If I use my heater, I will burn through half my battery, every day. If I don't use the heater, I will slowly be killed by the laws of thermal dynamics. I would love to solve this problem right now, but unfortunately, my balls are frozen"

@ScottSchapiro

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully Ford doesn't suggest a similar solution!

@robertbeirne9813

Жыл бұрын

Guess he didn’t have heated seats.

Hey so quick question.. this will be good for pulling my snowmobile trailers in the winter right??