Game design is super hard. I really admire that you posted your struggle as you went through it. It's important to show how much thought and effort goes into game design. Great work, brother. Very impressed by this.

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! I agree, it's super important to understand that there's a lot more nuance to training this way than people might think at first glance. Appreciate you watching and for the feedback!

@ngphil11

Ай бұрын

Game design really is difficult. I find myself referring back to Greg’s games as a template for how to structure games and how to break up (or introduce) certain concepts. It’s been helpful so far but it definitely takes a lot of time and effort. But the great thing about it is that once you build out a few staple games you can always refer back to it to revisit those concepts and change things around to learn new ones. I’m not an expert but have been building these games and training with them and seeing impressive results. Hope it helps!

@Nlaw18

12 күн бұрын

If you study Motor development and motor control (mostly sports science field) you can understand this very easy.. It’s a way to learn through exploring “affordance” (what he calls constrain to us is affordance). The problem is that in sports when in competition you need to have your skills more and more specialised. And ecological approach does not provide skills specialisation as other methods. That’s the reason most school / clubs/ academies… doesn’t teach it. it’s not like no one thought about it before, it’s just not the methodology for specialisation. We use Ecological approach with kids so understand and develop skills but then you need a more methodical approach for specialisation of that same skill. You can also teach any newbe with ecological approach so they can get the general ideia of the sport. But once they understood it…

This is probably the single best piece of content I've seen for showing people how CLA is different than positional sparring. Brilliant, brilliant piece of content. Well done to you for thinking to film it and bring it to the public!

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

That's great to hear! Really great feedback, thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

My only complaint is that this isn’t 8 hours long covering many positions. Please call Greg and redo

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

Hahaha, thanks for watching!

Of all the Greg videos, and there are many, this is the best. That's a pretty high bar.

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

That's awesome to hear, thanks for watching! Greg's the man.

Teaching how to create is so much harder than teaching how to recite something. Great video.

Please create more content like this, this was incredibly helpful. I have been wanting to incorporate the CLA into my own practice. I watched the Greg critique games video which made me realise just how nuanced this style of learning is.

Can't thank you enough for this. Really demonstrates there is a lot more to the constraint approach than "positional sparring". It goes deep into analysis. Without a doubt the single best content on the constraint led approach I have ever seen!

Such an awesome video to see the thought process behind all of this! It’s such a scientific method type of approach. It’s gonna be fun taking these insights to creating and observing our own game design. Such great work Josh!!! Was great watching Greg be a patient and Socratic tutor 🔥🔥🔥

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thanks bro, had a great time making this, glad you got something from it! Greg's the man! Hopefully you and I can do some more of this together.

Learning something new is hard. Big ups to you for 1, trying to learn and 2, putting that process out there for us to experience. Learning can be awkward and make you feel dumb at times and it takes guts to do it in public. Thanks for the great content

The multi-angle camera was extremely helpful and clever for this particular filming. Great content brother 🤙🏽

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Awesome, glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

Excellent and so helpful. Many thanks!

Fantastic video, Josh. Thank you for sharing this process.

Im about half way through this and i have to say its one of the, if not the best video about grappling that i have seen in a loooong time.

Greg is a very good a patient instructor

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Yeah, Greg is awesome. Definitely one of the best coaches I've been around!

thank you for filming this.

awesome video! thanks for doing it!

Thank you both of you! Slowly implementing the teaching method. This is great - definitely succeeded with your goals for the video!

Amazing content. Thank you for doing this.

I think a lot of people got a misconstrued idea when Greg first started coming to the forefront of this idea, and got stuck on the semantics of “we don’t teach techniques” when in reality they do just in a more realistic way where techniques aren’t this static idea for everyone. This video is an amazing illustration on this process and how patient and in-tune a coach has to be to implement it correctly. Greg is phenomenal.

@MartialRoller-jd2hp

2 күн бұрын

exactly!

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching, glad you liked the format of the video!

This was amazing. I just want a million of these kinds of videos.

Thank you for posting this! This helps me tremendously as I’ve been having similar struggles designing practices.

This is really much needed content and I hope you and Greg both know how well this illuminates the realities of the learning he is talking about

Great video! I have been so curious about this methodology.

@joshbeambjj

Күн бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Fantastic video keep it up seriously this is the only way to train Jiujitsu it’s a lot more fun and gives you a lot more to think about and let you as a person explore well done . Ever in the uk pop up the north east in Middlesborough we happy to have you as we only teach CLA

Awesome!

Out of all the Greg videos I’ve watched this is one of the best easily. Also I really appreciate your broll footage showing definitions or resources it was really awesome. It’s huge cause most jujitsu channels while informative can be confusing with their jargon this was super easy to understand.

love this

Very insightful. Thanks for sharing!

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great video, unique and great insight to the coaching process

great watch

This is excellent!

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Your vids are well put. Love em!

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

Thank you! And thanks for watching

Beautiful production and presentation.

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thank you!

Definitely the best piece of content on the ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION of the CLA. The perspective of a starting coach/learner is also very refreshing and helpful. The multi-angle setup was a cherry on top, I hope you continue documenting and publishing your journey as it is very beneficial to others. I can only hope more content from Standard is coming, a second podcast with Greg would also be nice 👏

Excellent

This is great! Love all of your videos recently. I'm currently at a very traditional drilling style school so I sneak games in with some open minded partners when Prof isnt looking

@joshbeambjj

Күн бұрын

Haha I love it! Thanks for watching!

Great video on the CLA.

Great job brother! Solid work 🤙🏻

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

thanks brother! glad you liked it

Awesome video as always. This is for everyone that thinks game design is easy and the Ecological Approach is just a "lazy way"of teaching...It's super hard and the coach needs to really understand Jiu-Jitsu on a deeper level. Great Job Josh!

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thank you! Yeah that's definitely one of the criticisms I've seen a lot lately, that people think coaches just hang back and let students try to magically figure stuff out, lol. The key is the game design, which takes a lot of work.

have to admit this is good work Josh congrats

Great video, and a someone else stated, this is one of the best videos I've seen regarding the eco method with bjj. I learned a lot. Side note: the multiple angles and visuals are fantastic. Great editing!

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

That's great to hear, I'm glad you enjoyed. Thanks for the feedback, and for watching!

this was an awesome video josh

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

thanks man!

This was helpful even just from a students perspective.. Thanks!

@joshbeambjj

15 күн бұрын

Awesome, glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!

Love the light bulb moments I had watching too 👌🏽

I liked this video more than I thought I would have😂

Beautiful piece of work. You put yourself at the coalface where vision gets blurred and you cant see the wood for the trees and you were looking and couldnt see and then arrived. You must have been so stoked after this. Once you looked at his performance in achieving the tasks you set everything fell into place. Inspiring!

Honestly, single handedly one of the most helpful videos on actual application of Ecological Dynamics I’ve seen. Holy shii My Takeaways: - was good to see how much coaching Greg provides to the students in the end of the second game and the type of coaching. It looks more familiar than not. But It’s what he’s not doing or saying that is the interesting part to me. Also allowing Josh to implement the game he designed without trying to “correct” him was perfect. He let him learn to design vs handing it to him. Similarly like how he’d run a class. That was fun to see that crossover - Josh referred to Deandre’s private lesson, curious how that looks like. Not everything has to be ECO but in that context it’d be interesting how much of ECO is applied, if at all. In that format which I’d assume isn’t conducive to CLA, so I’m def curious - right now, I feel I can’t afford to *not* tell a student what they are missing like Greg did (when he said that I was like wooow). When Josh was asking for help with an issue (ie butterfly half), as of now, I can’t afford to say, “you’re missing this one thing.” We all know handing someone something isn’t nearly effective as them learning it themselves but without an effective tool to make them figure it out themselves, coaches are sort of left with straight up telling them (in this context). A Student with a specific problem that they want to solve, it makes a world of difference as far as my advice sticking but more often than not, even a hungry student isn’t enough. Might take months before it finally sticks for the student after lots of experimenting. Whats sort of wild is that ECO affords the coach to drop hints and let them figure it out themselves fairly quickly via game design and iteration. It feels like I just witnessed a technology that’d allow me to apply more coaching techniques or present things in more interesting way. That’s sort of incredible… Shoutout to Josh, Greg, and his students for making this video happen! So good

@acaristic93

Ай бұрын

I teach historical fencing,not grappling so take what I say with a pinch of salt. However, what I do in my private lessons is largely very similar to my general classes, just focused on the specific issues my student has asked me to help them with. You still design a game but you play one of the roles and your student another. It also allows you to be more specific with game design to really focus on a particular issue they;re dealing with. And you can tweak it as you go. Sometimes what the student needs however isnt necessarily skill development but rather confidence building or emotional endurance practice or expanding stress capacity or increasing intensity. For such things you may want an asymetric game of a particular sort. A student recently wanted to focus on using thrusts as opening actions and landing them as often as possible. Once we felt that was good we added certain opening conditions to make the game more representative to the end game(a particular tournament he was to attend). Then we also added particular follow up responses on my end and misdirections I could throw his way. If you had a student that needed to work on for example blast doubles as opening actions you'd first focus on a game that rewards blast doubles(having the opponents back touch the mat being a win condition for example,and having a cue to tap the backs of the opponents knees as you run your shoulder through them, giving them some cues on timing and potentially arm clearance tips) then you might want to add a goal of attaining side control from top position, for which you might give cues and tips similar to what was going on in the first half of the video etc. etc. You'd just be playing the other side, while they're working on those objectives,and you'd have your own win conditions too If you wanted to focus on building confidence you might make a game asymetric in their favor, if you wanted to make it a pressure test you could make it asymetric in your favor, etc. Asymetric as in,one side has easier win conditions to achieve, in fencing that could be something like one side having only shallow targets count(arms,legs when closer than the torso), and the other side having only deep targets count(head,torso,legs when at the same distance as the torso), cause you can hit the shallow targets from further away and tend to have at least a small advantage In grappling that could be like one person having to achieve a closed guard or side control, while the other might have to achieve a submission of some sort Within a private lesson you can also more easily more often change the game than in a big class with lots of folks. You can always constrain the game to something more specific if that's what your student requires. You just dont want to lose too much representativeness of the general game (bjj/judo/greco-roman/freestyle/whatever grappling style) they're interested in learning Or even if you go super-specific with one game,to have other specific games for other aspects of the general combat sport/martial art.

Fantastic video, so informative and well structured! (is there any possibility of doing another one on CLA for takedowns? It would be nice!)

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching, glad you got something from it! I'm not in Rockville anymore but if I get back up there I'll ask Greg if he's down to do that.

Amazing work thank you. Do u plan on doing another video with greg?

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! I have a few more in the pipeline to edit, stay tuned!

2 weeks in on this training style. Tore my pec lol.

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

oh no! sorry to hear! what happened?

Fascinating. Looks like drilling. What is your definition of drilling?

I love the task focused games and learning with some type of resistance vs a static partner. Has Greg released any online videos on BJJ Fantics or other distributors on different games he’s developed based on skill level? I’m sure many of us who teach and coach would buy to get ideas. Thanks for the video!

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

I don't think there's anything out there like that right now, but I'd love to see it too! I know Kit Dale has a course on task-based games, but I'm not sure the degree with which it aligns to CLA.

@luisbarrientos7322

6 күн бұрын

Thanks Josh! Keep up the great work.

Great work and great job! This was such a helpful video for those trying to figure it out for themselves.

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! I'm glad it's helpful. Greg's the man!

Where is the framed picture of Helio? Who do they bow to instead?

What as that map you show at 1:12? Tried googling and searching Aaron Parham, no luck.

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1e5MPTbxnzyb4OO_haZ6y52IsQJADT6w&ll=41.164983660081425%2C-77.84399984036094&z=5

Incredible!

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! More to come soon from my trip to Standard

Good vídeo, a small experiment for the public to understand how it works. Not easy.

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I'll be posting more soon from my trip there!

What is the name of the book/books Greg based his approach on? Thank you!

@joshbeambjj

21 күн бұрын

I’ll let Greg add his additional reading list, but some good ones so far that I’ve read: - How We Learn to Move by Rob Gray - Learning to Optimize Movement by Rob Gray - Constraints Led Approach by Ian Renshaw et al

@PinkFear

19 күн бұрын

@@joshbeambjj appreciate it Josh!

You can see how much harder Greg is having to work when you start driving in more during the 3rd iteration.

This is beautiful! Thanks a lot Josh for sharing this with the community.

Appreciate your humility as you worked through this challenge. Props to Greg for guiding you along, letting you figure things out instead of just handing over the answers. And kudos to Rod and Noah for playing along, within the constraints and giving thoughtful feedback. All around, great stuff!

5:18 - paint me like one of your French girls

I'm just curious about how they proceed with people that are absolute new to the sport.

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

I think one of the primary ways is by scaling the variability of the games

Yo Josh - Come teach your boy.

the noise of your beard stroking 😂

@joshbeambjj

22 күн бұрын

Finally, someone addresses the most important aspect of the video 🤌😂

@TrueLegacyStudio

22 күн бұрын

@@joshbeambjj 😂😂😂 keep it up josh this was a great video!

It seems like the skill of the instructor has to be very high level in order to create games with appropriate constraints in order to reach a learning goal. If the instructor can not at least give detailed instruction on finishing mechanics, it would take new students quite a while to discover the proper way to finish recognizable submissions. This is only an example. It seemed that Josh had a difficult time constructing the game for the "new" students because of his own limitations in skill as a coach. (I really don't mean to offend Josh, especially if he does coach BJJ regularly✌️) What i am trying to say is that Greg presents the ecological method almost as a way to learn by self-discovery, when, really, the coach has to create constraints that will lead to the coach's desired outcome. Unless the constraints are perfect in each game, which they are not expected to be according to the methods in this video, it could take a long time for the student/class to go all the way from point A to point B in their learning. I can hear the argument that maybe the goal is not to teach a skill, but to allow the student to learn their own way through a problem and discover their own solution. It just seems like, without tight constraints from a highly skilled coach, this endless "play" would result in a pretty slow progression in technique but a greater development of strength and conditioning. More than anything, this is kind of a testimony of my own journey. I actually have a membership and regularly attend two BJJ gyms. One uses the ecological approach and the other is more traditional. So all this to say that i love both of them. Lol. This was a great video and i definitely plan on sharing it. Thank you! 🤙

@joshbeambjj

6 күн бұрын

I think you're definitely right about needing a highly skilled coach (in both BJJ and who has a deep understanding of CLA) so that the practice can be designed in a way that teaches the correct skills (and also, no offense taken at all on my end, I'm still just a blue belt and have a long way to go to understanding deeply the skills to build in these positions). Luckily for his students, Greg is highly skilled in both areas. Thanks for watching and for your comment!

I agree with this for specific types of learners, but ultimately anyone trying to apply this approach kind of ignores the context of the video. For one DeAndre competed three years before working with Greg and two the guy had four years of wrestling with over 100 wins the way this was phrased in the video was a little misleading.

@groundgametheory

29 күн бұрын

Deandre isn’t even in this video 🤣

firstly please make bullet points actually just bullets and not a whole wall of text.

@joshbeambjj

2 күн бұрын

what are you referring to?

@MartialRoller-jd2hp

2 күн бұрын

@joshbeambjj i am referring to how you put entire paragraphs and long sentences in each bullet point. a bullet point need to be concise and to the point- or else the person looking at it is just annoyed by too much useless info hence will ignore it rather than sit there deciphering the novel you wrote

@MartialRoller-jd2hp

2 күн бұрын

@joshbeambjj an example of this: -The top player goal is to push arm in and setup the one arm in and out configuration. vs -top uke goal: setup the one arm in & out position

This is just positional sparing.

@joshbeambjj

Ай бұрын

Why do you say that?

@zerosum789

Ай бұрын

Most likely cause they didn't actually watch the video

dont like this approach, you spend time training bad habbits that arent necessarily the best option in that position could told the bloke to use a near side underhook in 5 seconds not wasted 15 minutes this approach aint it just show them some good options and drill 100 reps then tell the partner to try harder, that will present the degrees of new problems. i bet john danaher wouldnt fool with this but maybe he would idk

@gregsouders9648

29 күн бұрын

Congratulations bro! You’ve done it! You’ve solved the problem of cognition in motor control, the problem of transfer, and helped us understand the true nature of specificity all in one run-on-sentence. It’s nice to know that we can all now halt our efforts. Thank you sir.

woke jutsu

@paintpaintpaintco.6039

Ай бұрын

It gives the vibe that it produces weak Bjj practitioners. “Coach, why didn’t you just tell me NOT to leave my foot in his armpit? I’ve been doing that in your class for years!”

Ahh okay now I get it. This looks like shirt. No thank you haha. 👎🏼👎🏼

You don't.. Because drilling and Gi are the base of Jiu-jitsu. You guys are are just grappling

Fantastic video. Essential learning piece for anyone in the early stages of CLA. Thank you for the content Josh!