I like how Loathe released one of the most aggressive Deftones albums. Joking aside, "I let it in and it took everything" is a metal masterpiece.

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah they do have a definite Deftones influence. But they do so much more with regards to genre bending.

@shaggy4847

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner exactly to your point that they did more than just have some influences from Deftones. I get the connection there, but it’s silly to just state they’re a Deftones knock off. Hell, this album even has a black metal section. In my opinion, this record implemented so much that I see it more as their own signature sound. They earned that respect on my end. They set the stage for a new realm of shoegaze-core or post-Metalcore… or whatever you wanna call it.

@mbrelo2956

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaggy4847 i think that "black metal reference" is a reference from Deafheaven, that they do like some shoegaze/black metal stuff

@lol-od4ip

2 жыл бұрын

You guys should check out hum

@nathantrees4134

2 жыл бұрын

@@lol-od4ip that’s what I was thinking. Hum’s new album has this vibe

Another band called Holy Fawn do a very nice job of blending metal tones with Shoegaze as well. They're a seriously underrated band that everyone should check out at least once

@walkingriver6104

3 жыл бұрын

yes boy!

@EveHatesMovies

3 жыл бұрын

^^ THIS ^^

@DannyGuylololol

3 жыл бұрын

hell yeah man, holy fawn is a local band for me in arizona, so seeing them get talked about is super cool

@TorqueBow

3 жыл бұрын

YES YES YES!!!

@jeremieloisel-payette7882

3 жыл бұрын

Holy fawn are the best ! holy fawn and loathe are in my top albums of this year for sure !

*plays "is it really you" riff* Me: CAUSE BACK TO SCHOOOOOOOL WEEEE ARE THE LEEEDEEERS.....

@TheLordofconfusion

3 жыл бұрын

same here bro xD

@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power

3 жыл бұрын

In fact, I feel like listening to that now....

@GRisaWasteofTime

3 жыл бұрын

STOP

@A_Salted_Fishe

3 жыл бұрын

What did you guys think of the newest Deftones album? I can appreciate it, but I'm not really vibing to it.

@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power

3 жыл бұрын

@@A_Salted_Fishe it was alright, from what I remember....

They combine their hardcore roots into massive Deftones influence with a more metallic twist. It's so fucking wicked

I see how shoegaze and metal can go well together since theyre both about volume to some extent

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they great styles to mix together.

@kaylons

4 жыл бұрын

Eh. I guess, but shoegaze is more or less about atmosphere and timbre more so than volume. Volume is an effect people like Kevin Shields love

@jbasti227

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Deftones, Alcest, and now Loathe are a few examples of bands that mix them really well

@hcaz5818

3 жыл бұрын

They are both about atmosphere

@ItsBabaEro

3 жыл бұрын

Found you lol

Okay, I love the sound... but jeez guys, _that_ progression is so similiar to "Back to School" :)

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its pretty similar to Deftones stuff. I think I have seen them a couple of times mention Deftones as an influence. So that makes sense.

@XAVR_

3 жыл бұрын

Is it really you literally is the Pink Maggit/Back To School progression, I feel like they did it on purpose as a tribute rather than rip it off though

Tips: use bridge cables as guitar strings

The Squier Bass VI is almost identical to this guitar and gets the job done as well for anyone that’s interested in this sound. Same 30 inch scale length and use strings 90-20 like Erik does. I also believe that he swaps out the 90 low string for a 105 bass string. Definitely look into it

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Bass VI and Jazzmaster Baritone have the exact same neck. The one Loathe guitarist also uses a Fender Pawnshop Bass VI. Suppose the pickups will sound quite different. But I have seen guys using a Bass VI and the swapping out the pickups for single coil sized humbuckers for a beefed sound.

@psychophobiap7413

3 жыл бұрын

Yea homie has bass strings on his guitar lol

@sydneyduchaine4832

3 жыл бұрын

There's also the agile intrepid 630. Same scale length, but it has emg's

@darlicknotz1

Жыл бұрын

Heard that thing can't stay in tune at all

Step 1: Listen to and learn LOTS of Deftones

@adrianmojica2619

3 жыл бұрын

Deftones' riffs are mostly just power chords. Most of the shoegaze sound comes from the samplings.

@scottneilson2314

3 жыл бұрын

You are right to an extent. That “is it you” track is the same progression from back to school off the white pony album

@EtcEtcAndEtc

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianmojica2619 lies

@GearStuffandThings

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianmojica2619 there are tons of shoegaze elements in Deftones that are not samples. Delays and reverbs on the guitars , bass & synth are much more present than sampling

@fergusmacleod9540

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottneilson2314 true but loathe add some extra spice in my opinion they’ve took deftones and made it there on sound

No fuckin' way did I just find a South African metal youtube channel. Fuck yeah bro! Subbed. Edit: Bonus points for Loathe btw

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! Saffas FTW!

Great guitar, love this sound. Thank you so much for this démonstration 👍🙏❤️

Yes! Bring on more of these!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad you enjoyed the video. Will definitely do more. Take a look also at my recent Northlane one I did. And send any suggestions as well

Does nobody remember those "metalgaze" or "blackgaze" bands that came out of the post-metal scene? I feel like nobody really talks about bands like Junius, Deafheaven, etc. anymore. Loathe's sound definitely reminds me of those bands from a decade ago.

@MiguelRamirez-cr7gh

Жыл бұрын

Numenorean are top tier. Their Adore album is amazing

@Patrick-857

Жыл бұрын

Not the same, but check out Black Sun Eon or any of the other bands Tuomas the mastermind behind them has been in. It's classed as melodic death/doom, but it's got atmospheric and symphonic elements. Riffs are extremely unique, and it's often slow with unexpected chord changes and crazy melodies. Love it.

Nice explanation 👍🏻 thank you for sharing your knowledge

That random fade in the middle of the video started freaking me out. Thought I was having a stroke.

Very good job on figuring out the chords !!

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

sounds great! Your version of the guitars for "Is It Really You?" sounds perfect!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, such a great song

Subbed. Great video. Listening to the last track (same name as album) and a couple of riffs sounded so dense and heavy that I assumed they had sourced a fretless baritone. Imagine the abyss a fretless baritone could create.

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

A fretless baritone would be insane!

One of the best videos, I ever see in youtube. Freaking awesome dude, congrats!!!! Greetings from brazil

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. Glad you enjoyed the video

This is exactly the kind of content I'm always looking for! Great video! Since it's so hard to find those baritone jazzmasters, I've been considering one of those SubZero VI baritones and then just putting the appropriate pickups in it for this sound.

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

That is awesome. Glad you're enjoying the videos. And yeah the SubZero Bass VI is gonna be the way to go to get close to their sound. Maybe load it up with some Humbucker size P90's to get that single coil sound. To give you. hint, my next video is gonna be on 'Sounding Like Northlane'. So stay tuned for that one :)

@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE

4 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Nice! As I'm sure you gathered from my username, Northlane is also one of my favorite bands. Yeah, some humbucker sized P90s are exactly what I was thinking. Also, some fun facts about the tunings Loathe used on this album according to their drummer: Heavy Is The Head has the lowest string dropped to B0 on the Squier Baritone Jazzmaster. Screaming, Is It Really You? and A Sad Cartoon are actually played on a regular 25.5" scale guitar tuned as follows. Screaming tuning = ADADGB, Is It Really You? tuning = AbDbAbDbGbBb and A Sad Cartoon tuning = AbEbAbDbGbBb.

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

@@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE Yeah that's why I mentioned about the new video. Man, thats pretty interesting with the B0 tuning and then standard scale guitars on the other songs. Where did you read/or find this out. Would love to read more about that.

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

@@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE I also wonder how they gonna do those songs live. using their Jazzmasters or Standard scale. And are the standard scale guitars also Jazzmasters with the Duncan Designed Pickups?

@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE

4 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner It was actually the drummer commenting about it on someone's cover of Is It Really You? here on KZread. I asked him how he knew this information before realizing his name is Sean Radcliffe lol. I tried out learning some of A Sad Cartoon in the tuning he suggested and it seemed to check out. I know there's a very small possibility it could be someone pretending to be him, but I think that's pretty unlikely given the nature of the information he gave and the fact that Loathe isn't exactly a really well known band just yet.

this is tight and is exactly what i've been looking for

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Glad you enjoyed the video

great video

Damn...excellent work my dude. My ear doesn't pick up those chords as well as yours does. I've been slowly making my way through A Sad Cartoon. Nice work!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it was a bit of trial and error figuring out these riffs. Have fun figuring out some of the other songs :)

My favorite metal- ish shoegaze still comes from Iroha (Birmingham UK), guys from the Final, Jesu, Godflesh circle of people. They are no more, the follow up Khost is way more brutal / industrial. God, i loved Iroha. Great lesson Gary, thank you.

Love this video.

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much

Excellent vid!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video

amazing brother

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it

@TempleOfTheMartyrs

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner sure did bro. pretty cool .hey if you haven't yet. give us a listen. would love to know what you think of our band and music

Great stuff. My guitar teacher from 1998 would have had a cow with that thumb mute. Haha .

my favourite song from the album is new faces in the dark because of the really heavy bits and the Quite light parts. it's just an amazing song

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

The album is amazing. Still at the top of the list of my favorite albums. And New Faces is a great track. The contrast between the heavy and more chilled bits is great!

amazing video man. Do you have some pointers to achieve their ambient sound? especially the one in "is it really you" verse just before the chorus

*Cries in standard 6*

@chromakey84

3 жыл бұрын

Shrill

@sahinlandman4667

2 жыл бұрын

A sad cartoon was played on a six tuned to G#

Recently, at least one of the guitarists, switchted to the Subzero Rouge VI from Gear4music. Maybe u should check them out.

This is cool. All loathe stuff that isn’t heavy is just Deftones to me personally. I’m not hating on it. I do similarly with my music. Love the video!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is pretty Deftones, but its almost like they performing bass and guitar roles on the Baritone with their weird tunings. Like you've got Drop A, and then a lower strings lower then that add that extra lows to your chords and riffs. Its really fun to play with :)

Hey man I love the version of “A Sad Cartoon” you have on here. I’m working on a cover of this song using my 10-string guitar (an Agile Pendulum Pro 102730) to really get that low G# action that appears to be in the song. Kinda stuck on some of the chords used in the middle and the intro though. Sweet Jazzmaster Baritone too. I played one last year at my local GC and loved it. Shame they stopped making those last year. Anyway man, cool video. Stay safe! 🤘🏼😎

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Nice. Try figure out 'Heavy is the Head that Falls' That goes down to B0. You might be able to figure that out on your 10-string

@juliuslemon-merinque2549

3 жыл бұрын

Just reading this now is kinda funny, I messaged the drummer on Instagram cuz he wrote that song & it’s actually on a regular 25.5” six string tuned to drop G#. they just use an octave effect for the low parts apparently!

You love A Sad Cartoon so much haha! totally agree man keep it going!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

It's a great tune. Had to do two riffs from that song!

It's Reminds me of Cave-in or Oceansize at the beginning

I'm going to try your string setup because what I'm currently using on the VMBJ is a 105 for the 6th and 74-20 from a 90-20 set for the other 5 and I keep snapping the second string when I attempt to tune. As a note, I'm using the same strings that Erik apparently uses (Bass VI short scale bass strings and a 105 from another bass set).

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I tried that same set as Erik but found the tension to be a bit high.

Soon as i heard these guys experimental styel I was reminded of certain Coaltar of the Deepers tracks, check them out guys, very different overall though you might pick up on it

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion. Thats a very cool band.

GREAT:)

Love the breakdown! Question for you is where did you manage to get a .100 Gauge string for this setup? I'm looking to put one on my JM!

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

You can use a 100 single bass string. Or look at some Bass VI sets like from Newtone that have 100s in them

@Nullsaque

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Thanks for the help man!

Hi, thanks for this video! I just fall in love with this band for you, after being watching videos of my same guitar, I just found you and your channel! Sorry, could you share the tunning of the guitar?

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video. I’ve used a combination of different tunings. But for the most part the 5th to 1st string is a Drop A tuning and then on the 6th string I switch between a Low E to a Low DB and down to the low D. So as long as you have a thick gauge on the 6th string like a .100 gauge you can change that low tuning and still have good tension

Those string gauges on a 6 string sounds craaaaazy, but considering the tuning also we're talking about loathe and that ur using a baritone suddenly all makes sense hahahh

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah its sounds crazy till you consider the tuning and scale length. Those guitars are basically short scale basses.

@javieraguilera2064

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner facts, suddenly I need a baritone in my life

It has been revealed to us that most of the tones on the album are from archetype plini.

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah also found out after making the video. I did the Nail the Mix session of theirs and watched George Lever’s video where he explains they mainly used Plini. Who would have thought. Interesting hey? I might have to do a follow up video :)

@naveenwilson-moola5570

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner yesssss loved this video but If you could make a second one showing us how to dial Loathe’s tones on the plini plugin and maybe even give us the presets to download. That would be much appreciated.

.100 GAUGE STRING?!?!?! Damn!!!

This was SUPER helpful as I’m trying to get a baritone guitar and make this specific genre, I do have one question though , when you had the 4 guitar tracks and panned them left and right , is every track a different guitar recording/take?

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video. Yes every guitar track is a new take.

@doomsdave_fm8649

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner thank you so much !! also, I know you did that nail the mix for this album , I don’t have the baritone yet, but did you know if the bass on this album is in the same tuning? Or is it just standard ?

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

I think the bass is in the same tuning. So its tuned in unison in the same octave as the guitars (EAEA)

Apparenty they used the Neural DSP Plini Archetype for the album

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah found this out after doing the video. Saw it in the Nail The Mix session.

@flz02

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner still awesome video keep it up bro

@d77sauce

3 жыл бұрын

Woah good to know

@dilbophagginz

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda crazy you can spend like $450 ($300 guitar + $150 plugin) plus some studio monitors and a computer and you have their sound

@collinmackin5911

2 жыл бұрын

@@dilbophagginz Baritone jazz masters are usually at least $1000+

You should do “how to” for building modern death metal tones. Such as slaughter to prevail, thy art is murder, and to the grave

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Great idea. Will definitely consider this.

Ive been jamming loathe on my seven string

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Nice. Yeah I’ve also tried it out on my 7-string. If you got humbuckers. Try coil split them to get a more single coil sound to match the Loathe single coil tone

@thechozzman1797

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner That's a great idea but don't have humbuckers unfortunately

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

If you don’t have humbuckers and already have single coils then it will be pretty close to the Jazzmaster single coil tone. Have fun playing some Loathe on a 7-string.

@thechozzman1797

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner i got a better job so i may actually be able to get a baritone now lmao

@thechozzman1797

10 ай бұрын

@@GaryHiebner got a baritone and it slaps!

Great video man! Do you think you could get down to those tunings on a 28' scale baritone guitar?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

You can get down to the Drop E on a 28 inch, but I think any lower is pushing it and you gonna run into ontonation issues. I tried Drop E on my 28 inch 7 string and it worked fine with the riggt string gauges. So maybe like a 16-85 on a 28 inch Baritone for Drop E.

@georgebrett1738

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner thanks for the info man, being a lefty really limits your options. Sounds like I may have to put the baritone dreams to bed and go extended range. Cheers again man, subbed.

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

You could find a good luthier near you and get a barirone conversion neck made. Thats what I did. I got a good luthier near me to build a 28 inch baritone conversion neck for my 7 string.

I have that exact guitar.

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Great guitars!

@Patrick-857

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner I've never been happy with the dirty tones though. I play heavy stuff and mostly on an HH strat with humbucker sized P90s tuned to drop A. For some reason I like the sound and of the floppy strings. I want to find the sound with the baritone, but it keeps sounding boxy or nasaly. I think I've got the wrong strings and I need to give it a good setup though. I hate really heavy gauge G strings that aren't wound, they stick out too much and don't stay in tune.

Can you please make a tutorial on how to get those scratch/screeching sounds that loathe makes?

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah great idea. I think they'd sing it with Whammy pedals. One is on my Wishlist and when I get one I'll definitely do a video on that

Is tuning to drop e necessarily needed, bass vi can be difficult to intonate plus setting up that low can be limiting

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

It intonate fine on my Baritones with 28-inch scale and 30-inch scale in Drop E. It's all preference. I like the tonality of guitars this low. Has it's limitations like you can't play chords once you get below G1, but its fun to play with :)

Agressive evolution frr

Could this work with the PRS baritone or the ibanez baritone? (Length is 27.7" - 28" inches)

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

You could possible go down to the Drop E tuning on a 28-inch. But you will need to use thicker strings. And depending on the bridge and how far you can push back the saddles you might have slight intonation issues. I know I have gone down to Drop E fone on my Stagemaster 7 with a 28 inch Baritone neck conversion. But a 30 inch handles it way better

Can't find a Vintage Baritone anywhere now. What would be the best similar baritone to get? Bass VI or Rogue VI?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you can look at the Squier Bass VI, the Gear4Music SubZero 30-inch Baritone, the Gretsch Baritones which are 29,75 in scale length. And Harley Benton has the GuitarBass which is a 30-inch Bass VI.

@Strutsss

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Man, I wish I bought the Subzero one before Loathe popularized it and causing it to go up £100 in price, and now it's not available to ship until September. T_T

@nigelcrowe5067

3 жыл бұрын

Got my Squire Bass VI today and could not be happier. Plays like a much more expensive guitar. 100% recommend.

I am still on the lookout for that Jazzmaster Baritone but for the time being I got the Harley Benton GuitarBass VS and threw in some hotrods that I had left over from another project. I HIGHLY recommend that guitar. m.thomannmusic.com/harley_benton_guitarbass_vs_vintage_series.htm

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

That’s pretty cool. Heard some cool stuff with those guitars. Check out an artists called Caynug. He uses that same guitar with some Bare Knuckles in it and tunes down to low D. He’s got an awesome tone with it.

@mrksdlx

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner checking now, thanks man

So, its basically HUM?

@georgepavey8871

3 жыл бұрын

apparently

I’m wondering if the Ernie ball 9 string set will work on them as well? They literally have the exact same string gauges on the 8 string set but have added the 105 string with it

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

The 105 on the EB 9 strings set tapers at about 29 inches. So if you have a 30 inch baritone. It will be a problem.

@jacobboothroyd9988

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner ah gotcha thanks for the tip Appreciate it

@jacobboothroyd9988

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner another question can the D'ADDARIO 8 string pack work was well?

I’m looking at buying a Subzero Rogue VI which is a baritone already tuned EADGBE but an octave below a normal guitar. How would I tune that to EAEADF#? Would the D and G get tuned UP?

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Yes that's correct. The 6th and 5th strings stay the same. Where the other strings are all tuned up 2 semitones (up a step). The best way to think of the tuning is the 1st to 5th strings are tuned to Drop A. And then the 6th string is an extra low E.

@mostlyspace3175

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Thanks! My Strat’s in drop A so I totally get it

@KanashimiTwo

4 ай бұрын

@@GaryHiebner, is it feels well with 24-84, or i need a different gauge to tune like this? i mean a tuned up 1st and 2nd strings.

More baritone metal lessons would be neat!

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Some more baritone videos are definitely coming up.

Did you have to sand the nut to fit those string gauges? Or can they fit stock?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I had to sand the nut. I just used the string and moved it back and forth between the slot to widen it. Til it fitted snug in the slot.

what scales do they use the most?

Im trying to play Is it really you?. But i cannot make my Fender Lt25 amp to sound like it. Someone pleasee help

I know the Channel its about low tones but i'd would love If you made a vídeo about Holy fawn and DIIV

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Holy Fawn is amazing. Definitely thinking about a video on them.

@123realet

Жыл бұрын

hypeeeeee!!!

@thenickbw

10 ай бұрын

​@@GaryHiebneryesss please!!!!

Do you think a 27" scale 6 string guitar will hold this tuning well?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

You can slap some thick string on, like maybe 20-90 and you could possibly use the tuning. But your intonation might go off when you get closer to the 12th fret and higher

I also think they use Squire Bass VI's as well

@kahall

4 жыл бұрын

yeah the second guitarist Connor uses a Squire Bass VI

@DJENTISNTNOTAGENRE

4 жыл бұрын

Yep! Connor goes back and forth between a Jazzmaster Baritone and a Bass VI. Not sure if it's for specific songs or just what he feels like playing at the time, though.

Could you use a fender 60's vintage jazzmaster for a similar tone?

@benjaminnixon3995

4 жыл бұрын

TurboTurkey 94 I’m pretty sure you could, the only reason the baritone is used is because of how low the tuning is

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah you could, the jazz master pickups may be slightly different. As they as Duncan Designed Jazzmaster Pickups.

@ShaunHunkin

4 жыл бұрын

Go on Turbo Turkey

while they do sound like deftones- they still rock and there a good alternative for that vibe of music. I could be wrong. Let me know about any bands with similar vibes \m/

100 gauge string daaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyum

Would a 130 gauge on the 6th string be too much on the neck?

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

And tuning down to what with it? I know guys have used 120s on the Jazzmaster and tuned it down to B0

My band adds a lot of this same element were called desolate blight, album we just put out is nostalgic dread!!

Nice channel

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Does anyone know how to cancel the noise coming out from the pickups when using it in single position?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Are you using noise gate? That helps. Or to replace the lups with no-hum jazzmaster pickups

@jotablindfold

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner I have a noise gate but doesn’t help me a lot I’ll try to find those pickups!

Yeah C# isn't the lowest that bottom string goes, I'm 90% certain it goes to B when they play "Heavy Is The Head That Falls With The Weight Of A Thousand Thoughts" and that lead part for Two-Way Mirror sounds a little off

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's true. after the video I found out that 'Heavy is the Head' goes down to B0. That is crazy cool though. I see they both use 105 gauges on the 6th string to get down to that B0.

single coil wow im surprised also the cab ix 2x12 no?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah this guitar has a great single coil tone. Those Duncan Designed Jazzmaster pickups are pretty unique. I used a combination of different cab emulations for the guitar tones.

@campar1043

3 жыл бұрын

Heavy Tones yeah I have Duncan designed pick ups on my squier vintage modified strat guitar not bad at all

Okay but how about what pedals to use for the shoegaze sound 😩😂😂

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Near the end of the video I do go through the amp emulation and pedal emulsion software I use to get the sound. It's mainly the amp and cab giving the sound, then with a Tubescreamer in the front and some post EQ processing.

1-5th drop A? What are each strings tuning?

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

From lowest string to highest: EAEADF#. And then they tune the low down even further to C#1 and B0 on some songs. But the rest of the strings stay the same.

Is the jazzmaster a specific model?

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s the Squier Jazzmaster Baritone with a 30-inch scale. It has now been discontinued. Pity.

Is that a 30” scale baritone bass6

@GaryHiebner

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it's the Squier Jazzmaster Baritone with a 30 inch scale. But it's pretty much a Bass VI

Harley Benton does one too!

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Their one looks great. It has single coils. So if you want a hum bucker you will need single coiled sized humbuckers.

What did you do to get the 100 gauge string fit??

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

The string custom tapered both sides and just needed to file the nut a bit for it to fit through it. Other then that no other mods that needed to do.

so you only actually record 2 different guitar takes, the other trackings are just copy and paste's with different effects?

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sometimes I do that. And other times I also quad track track. For these tracks it felt good to just duplicate and send through some different effects.

Given you some taam??

The songs sound much better with doubled speed

I'm confused as to what you're doing with the pitch shift on that first track you showed us.

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

The pitch shift effect is bypassed. That’s just in my template and I turn it in when needed. There’s no pitch shifting going on with these Loathe riffs. Just the guitar tuned differently.

@callmecraig3046

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Alright, thanks for the answer. I didn't hear any pitch shifting happening and it confused me for a second.

Fun fact, they used a free lepou amp sim for two way mirror

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats interesting. I remember hearing that. Definitely gonna try it out.

What is that Rack you have at the beginning of the chain???

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

I'm using Overloud's THU Amp Sim plugin. In there I'm using a Noise gate, into a tube screamer. And then it hits the Amp Head And Speaker Emulations. After that I have done some EQ-ing and compression. Hope that helps.

Why does your tone sound alittle different from theirs?

I liked this video before watching it...sue me.

Just to let everyone know. You can get a Sub Zero guitar for less then $300 right now. It's the same model the guitarist from Loathe uses. Awesome guitar!!!!! Will probaly cost ALOT less then a jazzmaster

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats true. Connor used a SubZero, and Erik is now using the Gretsch Baritone.

Hey, can anyone list bands that plays shoegaze + metal like this, besides Loathe? It means a lot to me. Thanks!

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Deftones is obviously a good one. I'd also like to hear of some other shoegaze metal suggestions.

@zachpenza6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner deafheaven and Oathbreaker. Deafheaven includes a lot of super heavy riffs in their songs but also has a lot of pretty mellow shoegaze parts. Oathbreaker is an experiment black metal band which has a much more black metal sound but there are riffs that you can get lost in because due to how ambient their sound is. Listen to the song being able to feel nothing but the version from audiotree live. It’s absolute insanity.

@kevingibranr3365

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing. That’s the band name, check it out.

Thank you for being one of the best channels on KZread. What are you thoughts on the Subzero Baritone? Loathe featured one in a recent video (kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWiqxbWdm9qYeaQ.html) - Do you think it's better to save for something more like the Bass VI, or would the Subzero be good stock? My friends suggest the Subzero would need an additional $200+ in upgrades to be good.

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yeah I think the Subzero Bass Vi is an awesome option. But yeah definitely budget in a few mods. Like a oickup change and maybe a good setup. Heard some mixed reviews on the QC on them. But nothing that a good setup csnt fix up. I'm definitely thinking of getting one of the new white SubZeros

@dannyecks3745

3 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Thank you so much for the reply! Yeah those white ones look soso good. What kind of pickups do you think would go well with the Subzero?

what guage are those strings?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

I used the following custom set 100,62,48,34,24,16. Which is basically the Ernie Mammoth set from the 62-16. And then have chucked on a 100 for the 6th string.

The second chord in the 10:22 progression is wrong doesn’t sound right but the rest is absolutely spot on Great work subbed and liked

@GaryHiebner

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! Sounded right to me at the time. Also no tabs around the check the exact chords :) Glad you enjoyed the video and like the channel.

o a t h b r e a k e r

I let it In and it took everything uses a subzero rogue VI I think, not the jazzmaster. and that one gretsch baritone

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

They only recently started using those. They used the Jazzmasters on their first album and then I Let It In... For example if you watch the Two Way Mirror video they using the Jazzmaster in their and Connor also used a Fender Pawnshop Bass VI that you can see in that video. But yeah in their latest playthrough videos you see them using the SubZero and Gretsch in those videos.

@liam6653

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner I was going off the playthroughs that's probably it

@entyzst

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryHiebner Also they supposedly used Danelectro 56 bari in The Cold Sun recordings

@GaryHiebner

2 жыл бұрын

@@entyzst Oh, that's interesting. SoDid they use the Danelectro 56's before the Squier Jazzmaster Baritones?

It is a baritone or a bass vi?

@GaryHiebner

Жыл бұрын

The model is a Squier Jazzmaster Baritone. But it has a 30 inch scale. It comes tuned in A Std from the factory. But if you put thicker strings on you can tune it down E Std like a Bass VI, or even lower.

I came just by listening “Is it really you”

My friend is actually selling that exact model lol

@SWAMPxKING

4 жыл бұрын

Is he selling it online?

@ultrawolflord8495

4 жыл бұрын

Buy it! Apparently they aren’t making them any more, will be worth a lot someday

@SWAMPxKING

4 жыл бұрын

Tell him to message me cause im definitely trying to buy it lol

Whats the tuning for this?

@GaryHiebner

3 жыл бұрын

It goes through a combination of tunings. But I used the E-A-E-A-D-F#. And then dropped the 6th strings to D# and C#. The tunings are mentioned in the video