How to Safely Tap 400 holes in 30 minutes.....Take a Look
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This short video shows a variation of a production tapping technique I call "The Drawer". On a manual mill, with a tapping head, I'll show you a setup that will allow you to tap hundreds of holes in a very short period of time.
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i have been in the forming and cold heading industry with secondary machining for 30 years but i always learn from your tips, thank you
Proper tools. Bullet proof set up. Sharp thinking. A+ all day long. Good stuff Joe.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. The CNC didn't cooperate on this one and I had very little room for scrap. I didn't scrap any of the 400 threaded holes, and used the same tap for all of them.
@CalvinEdmonson
6 жыл бұрын
Can't beat that,
Love it Joe, thanks for sharing! Also, thanks for the Eagles shout out, born and raised in Philly and will always be a Philly fan even thou I have be in Cali for over 25 years.
Wonderful. I just did 8 blind holes of 8mm OD, 10mm deep, in steel and I can tell you manually it takes a LOT longer... VERY nice setup - brilliant setup and wonderful tips as always! Thanks for sharing.
#3 lives forever for all those who grew up watching him week after week. To the rest of you out there, I'm sorry you missed the show! Good job as always on the video ,Joe. Thanks.
Ha Joe very cool once again something I would not have thought of. Really pays to stand next to the old boys in the shop. Thanks for taking the time. Also glad to see your shop getting the work and growing. From your vids you moved to Tx just be for you started sharing your knowledge and building a customer base is never easy. All the best Will
Great job of fast accurate tapping. What a neat setup!
I like seeing your setups and processes. Common sense creative. Thanks for sharing
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Not enough common sense left in this world in many areas.
Great ideas for future projects The idea of your "drawer" is unique and I can see use even with my new skills as a hobby machinist. thanks from Angola, NY
Great set up Joe. I find your videos extremely helpful.
Killer idea on the slot jig in the milling vice... I've been thinking about how to do this with a few parts I have... and this is a VERY nice solution. Kudos.
@joepie221
2 жыл бұрын
It worked great. Have fun.
Good stuff Joe, Love your thinking and approch to jobs. Thanks for sharing you knowledge
Excellent solution Joe P. You are a modern day Wizard. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.
I learned a lot from you in short time Joe !! thx for sharing your knowledge
Awesome work Joe. Your a great teacher!
Very cool Joe! Thanks for posting.
Best wishes to Austin, Texas from Milano, Italy. Thanks for sharing your tips&tricks, Joe.
Thanks for sharing your methodology, much appreciated!
Another great tip Joe! I definitely this in mind next time I tapping multiple holes .. Thanks !
Thanks Joe, excellent vid... Like the setup.
Admiration in attaining perfection. Thank you for sharing.
That operation was sweet ! And great comment at the end.
You are amazing teacher , I really enjoy your videos
Joe, 'Learning Lives Here'. Thanks for sharing. Kindest regards Joe.
I like it, Quality tooling is a money maker. Proven fact.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Buy nice or buy twice.
thanks for sharing more great tips Joe.
Wow!...that was really well done. Took something from that for a drilling job. Thank you very much Sir. Every days a school day.
another great tip, thanks Joe
Thanks Joe. Always useful. Thanks for repairing that mill. Wonderful now. _Dan_
Good stuff as always Joe, Enjoyed! ATB, Robin
Really useful and interesting information in this channel. Thankyou
That's what I love about you man - work smarter, not harder.
Another great problem solving solution, ty for sharing!
Now, that's fast! Cool tip Joe. Thanks. Ciao, Marco.
Awesome video joe. Always very educational! Have a great time at the Bash (...and do some diving while there)
That's amazing. Thanks for the video
I'm a big fan of your videos, great content. Thanks! We have a pneumatic tapping arm at work and it's one of my favorite tools in the shop. It has a range of #6 - 3/4". My previous job I was tapping everything (through and blind) from #10-24 to 1"-8 with a Carlton radial arm drill. The tapping arm has taken so much stress out of my life to say the least.
Well done videos Joe
Very cool tool, excellent setup/explanation. Makes me even more interested in knowing exactly how a Tapmatic functions. Thanks!
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
I saw a cross sectional drawing one time.WOW. There is lots going on inside the housing.
@joandar1
6 жыл бұрын
This may help Robert, cheers from John. Australia. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y3qezI-pl5feYM4.html
Thank you for this video joe
Slick setup, used to work at a place that had one of these. Worth every penny for jobs like the one you showed.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
You Bet. Stings at first, but soooo worth it.
Looking good this episode my dude, got that silver fox look going on 🔥
Nice setup and demo Joe! I have the same Tapmatic and did a video using it on DC53 with hundreds of blind holes. It worked great! Steve
Nice one Joe. I will keep that one in my bag of tricks. Cheers.
Another great idea cant wait to give it a try
Hey Joe great tip/trick as always keep up the good work from a machinist of 34 years
Is there no end to your wisdom? Thanks for pumping out the hits!
I had to do something like this years ago when I helped out in a local machine shop. It was I think around 250 pieces of the same bracket. Drill and tap a hole in each one. The tapping head worked awesome on a drill press. That self-reversing action made all the difference. It went pretty quickly. Having to do that many pieces by hand would probably have been miserable. These heads aren't cheap, but certainly earn their keep. Makes me appreciate CNC Thread Milling.
I have been thinking about getting a tapping head for my home CNC machine (Wells Index 487) and was wondering if I should... after seeing this video, I consider it a must have. Thanks for sharing!
I actually bought the chinesium model of the Tapomatic. It has worked really good(so far), but I don't tap a lot of holes... One day, after I get enough practice, I'll definitely upgrade.... Love the videos..
Hi Joe, That looks a very interesting piece of kit. My most up to date tapping tools are wrenches I made whilst at apprentices training school back in ‘62. I guess I’ll just carry on using those but I do like to see progress. Regards.
Tapmatics are pretty amazing. Even for controlling depth on blind holes. Very effective on those pesky small sizes too
a very good example of setup optimization
great idea , thanks for sharing
I just got my bench top manual mill and a lot of starter tooling. I got it all in R8 Collets cause those collets are easy to find. I will be going through all your milling and lathe vids trying to glean and learn everything I can. I dream of one day working in a machine shop once my tour of service is over or building and creating my own little machine/fabrication shop. Love the vids and content have been a long time subscriber. Thank you for what you do sir.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and thanks for your service. tell me which branch and where are you stationed.
Hi Joe! Gosh. If I only crossed the path of a tapmatic head. Those puppies aren't Cheap! Yes. I remember working for folks that had them and only wished for one, or two ;- ) Remember or seen the old hand crank, screw don type tap press with a keyed quill and crank the wheel rotating and pushing the tap to depth or thru with each hole? ;- ) I thought it was actually pretty good compared to a straight or "T" handle. Thanks for another great one Joe. You always keep the ideas alive ;- ) T up again!
Yeah I just got a job with 600 holes . I am glad a bought a autotap long ago . Never used it till now
nice workJoe
Simple/smart!...thanks for sharing
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Chuck. I hope all is well. Thanks for checking it out. I will be at the bash this year. Flights and lodging are all paid for.
Long ago I used one of those while working in a sign shop. 1/2” plastic in 4' long strips with 1/4” holes about every 1” held in tee slot on a drill press. They were used to make adjustable mountings for vacuum formed letters. Hard to stay awake after several hundred. The TapMatic worked well in the plastic.
hello joe in the 80ies I work a time in this ,with the tread tapping head Ive make very much treads but with the hammilton tapping machine more and more and with the tread rolling machines millions of treads but now im living easier because Ive ms and i take it easy and look your videos ( i like the metal mecanical
Now I have not viewed the video yet, but have seen Tapmatic style devices in catalogues. I look forward to seeing this one! And getting a Tapmatic!
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
Get out your checkbook. Its going to sting, but it is well worth it.
@donpollard9460
5 жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 Yes, I have a couple of Australian machinist supply catalogues, and the one for home/model use is in the 300-400 dollar range. The industrial supply catalogue is even more expensive again - we use products from that supplier at work, and they are a good compromise on price and quality
Great video. I have one of the older Procunier 2E models that can go up to 1/2" in aluminum, or 5/16" in mild steel. I got a good deal on ebay because it had been assembled incorrectly. I've got about $85 in it, and it works great. (edited to correct a fraction)
Could have used that 10 years ago! Thanks for your work!
@joepie221
4 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching.
Way to go, you've ruined me, I'll never want to hand tap another hole ever again knowing something like this is an option.
Hi, Joe. Thank you for an other great video. Just an idea for the future ones. Maybe you could show the procedure first, and then explain the setup? I think this would make the videos even more engaging.
That isn't even fair. I still tap by hand! But as always, another excellent bit of knowledge in video form from Joe! Thanks one more time.
Nice setup.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Its a real time saver.
wow that is slick as sh#t!!! pardon my french... very cool Joe !!!
Outstanding ! Though way past my pay grade . Thank you for sharing.
Got to get this.
Always envied these devices - but cost is for sure a major problem. Also for me my mill just doesn't have enough clearance for height. However - highly enjoyable to see this in action - impressive to say the least! :)
Your thoughts about this: I picked up an old Canedy-Otto drill press with a Procunier E 3 tapping head on it at an auction. Both actually too big and not really needed for my garage shop, being retired etc. The head had one collet with it a 5/16". Checking the web I found other collets from #8 to 3/4" are available, but expensive. As I won't be doing any real production, I was thinking of getting one larger collet size say 1/2" and connecting a chuck up to it so I could chuck up various smaller taps without having to buy a bunch of collets. For my infrequent use I don't see much wrong with this, but am not sure.
I like your T-Slot Vise Jaws. The Jaws are a very good idea. The only thing to make this better would be a Roll Form Tap as opposed to a Cutting Tap.
6:56 Challenge accepted Joe! :-D
just seen your spider video ..... superb
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Its officially viral in Europe. Over 8 million views. I actually got 1.2 million views in one night. It was truly amazing and worth sharing. Thanks for watching. tell your friends to check it out.
Does the tap cut true to its H value/pitch dia or larger compared to: tapping by hand or in a CNC?
If you could make something to squeeze out a couple drops of tapping lube in the next hole every time you bring the tap down you would almost have a mass production rig. (Couple one way valves and a syringe to make a reciprocating syringe pump, and make a little treadle to press with your foot to pump out just enough is what springs to mind for a manual system. An Arduino with a microswitch sensing the downstroke of the drill press, controlling the cheapest chinese peristaltic pump I could find would be my suggestion for a more automated rig.
Tapping heads are great, I use one frequently to tap M20 in aluminium 36mm deep only sensible way I can do it. Each one takes just seconds
Yep, one of the greatest tools in the machine shop. I hope whom ever invented it is enjoying their fortune.
Joe, thanks so much. Had a 30X and didn't know how to use it. Now I do and am fearless
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Make sure You adjust the driving torque correctly for the tap you are using and all should go well.
Nice
Cool setup. CNC can't compete with that trick.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Not this time.
@Kizmox
6 жыл бұрын
Any even close to modern machine will easily, even Haas mills are capable of rigid tapping at 3000rpm all day all night
Dobra robota Panie Pieczynski :-)
say Joe, what type of tap would you recommend for use with a tapping head? there are spiral flute taps etc and so i wonder if some other types would be or not be suitable for use with a tapping head? cheers mike
@joepie221
2 жыл бұрын
Same tap you would select based on the hole and material. Also consider is it a thru hole or bottomed.
Great video - thanks! Did you drill for full thread depth?
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
I drilled through holes. If they were bottom holes, I would have used a high spiral tap to evacuate the chips.
Nice set up have you ever used a flex arm tapping arm?
@joepie221
5 жыл бұрын
No. i have seen them though. very cool.
heyyyyyyyyyy that auto tapping tool is cool, how's it work inside
Super slick technique. I know it's just the angle of the camera, but it's giving me the willies. (says the guy who just had to get a pin put in his finger)
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
I had an inch on either side. Thats a mile.
@StripeyType
6 жыл бұрын
Oh I know you were fine. I think I'm just oversensitive since the snowblower bit me last week.
Thumbs Joe, thanks for posting. By chance do you have a video showing how to adjust the torque adjustment on the head? I have one of these tapping heads, but am not sure how to adjust it. I did watch your other video as you mentioned, but it really didn't cover adjusting the torque.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
On the top of the head, there is a straight knurled ring with a set screw in it. Back off the set screw first. The ring will rotate to expose silver graphics that go around the head itself. Looking down the arbor of the head, counterclockwise rotation of this cap will reduce the pressure. As you rotate the cap, it will expose different numbers and ledges on the graphic. Line up the bottom of the cap to the number or graphic level that coincides with the screw you are using. Lock the set screw.
@LorenP
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to write back! This was very helpful.
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
No Problem.
Great tip. Just one question, is there a reason that you start with the tap so far above the work surface?
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
I usually keep the tap above a pinch zone when its at rest. I usually maintain a hands thickness above the part. No other reason.
Nice looking parts. Do you mill the back off to separate the parts after?
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes I did. I could have saved some material on this one, but I radiused all the main corners in OP 1. It would have been a pain in the butt to do that in OP 2. The job went well.
Hi Joe I have an older tap matic SDS model I think its the same thing but what i would like to know is how did you machine those radius in those parts?
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
The parts were done in a 3 vise setup and the radius cut was positioned along the 'X' axis. I did it with a 2 flute carbide 1/2" dia ball end mill.
That's an awesome tool Joe , I've taped a lot of holes in my life but never have I had to do that many at once. Also I must say I have never seen a tool like that. It seems to have a clutch or something like that , the way it looked when it reached the full length of the tap and before going into reverse it would chatter ? Also when running that many holes how do you keep the chips and stuff from building up in the tap. I noticed every time you would pull it up and out the tap would be clean. Very informative and good videos as always. And most definitely hats off for the girls hockey team. Way to go USA.
@merlinmagnus873
6 жыл бұрын
There are 3 different tap geometries: neutral, right hand, and left hand. The neutral taps are the ones you find at lowes and pack up with chips. The other two have reliefs like a right hand and left hand drill for power tapping. One pushes the chips upward back out the hole (good for blind holes) and the other pushes the chips downward like he has in the video. You can see all the spiral chips down in the vise jaws when he swaps parts.
@joshua43214
6 жыл бұрын
The tap he is using is commonly called a gun tap (cause it shoots the chips our the bottom), or a spiral point tap. www.mcmaster.com/#taps/=1bw03h6
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Yep. Best one for through holes.
Joe what a cool idea, I have parts where I can use this idea, if I lived near you would never be away picking your brains bud
@joepie221
2 жыл бұрын
Good luck.
Hi Joe - tapping heads are great aren't they? For those of us hobbyists with smaller pocketbooks than a production shop, eBay often comes up trumps... So, a question: I have a similar Tapmatic, but it doesn't have the torque adjuster at the top, it's just got dog clutches in it. Is there any reliable way I can measure how far down a tap will pull before it disengages? If I want to thread to "pretty damn close" to the bottom of a small blind hole, it's always a real arse-puckering experience... The Tapmatic will smash an M4 tap in a microsecond (ask me how I know this....). Thanks!
@CNCGuy
6 жыл бұрын
Procunier uses clutch material rather than dog clutches. I have been using those to tap up to 1/2-13 into laser cut holes 100s of times with a 2E. Maybe give them a shot. You'll probably want the 1E Model though. I can bottom out a 4-40 Roll tap in aluminum with no problem using the 1E.
Great tip. Love tapping heads. I personally use procunier heads. Thats a neat trick making use of the carrier in a slot. I'll file that one away. Does your tapping fluid smell like cinnamon?
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Actually it does. Thats how I always identify the tap magic.
@vmc7505
6 жыл бұрын
For some reason I can't stand if i get tap magic on my hands. So For most tapping I use stuff called perfect tap #10 works good and it doesn't bother my skin a bit. And save a bottle of tap magic for high temp alloys.
Believe it or not I actually have a Tapmatic R7, does from #10 to 3/4". I got it not working and had to rebuild it but it taps holes like a tornado. I seldom ever tap enough holes to use it but I always wanted one and I love it.
@joandar1
6 жыл бұрын
I just posted a link to your rebuild (Tapmatic) video's as one comment wondered how they work. Having seen yours apart I thought this is the best way to understand how they work. Cheers from John, Australia. Edit. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y3qezI-pl5feYM4.html
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks John.
@joandar1
6 жыл бұрын
Welcome Mate, Cheers.
Is that a “custom” relieved tap? Years ago the Japanese branded Yuasa tapping heads broke fewer taps and seemed to work better than the much more expensive American made Tapmatic. I’m sure the Tapmatic has probably improved over what was being sold then (1970s/80s)?
@joepie221
6 жыл бұрын
Its a stock tap. Emuge has taps like this, but I was shocked to see this style from the brand I bought. It worked great.
Joe that is an awesome technique thanks for sharing it , I have looked at several tapmatic units used on ebay and wondered if they were worth the investment? I think I saw the #30 for under a 100$ last time.. are these heads very temper mental or in need or any regular maintenance that would affect the internals of a used system that would mean It could be run out junk and me not know til it was to late? thanks again for all the things you do for us all...
@L98fiero
6 жыл бұрын
The Tapmatic heads are pretty forgiving, if you get the manual models. They have an adjustable clutch for the different size taps and with a bit of regular maintenance will last a long time, there are manuals for most models online.
@josefrefuses2go694
6 жыл бұрын
Terrific, Thanks for the helpout L98