Check out our podcast channel for more: kzread.info And here's the research paper being talked about: www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/16/8820

@badabing2302

2 жыл бұрын

How is KZread shorts any different ? It’s not do a short on the thing u make money from that’s wrecking kids minds

The irony of putting this message out in a youtube short has not been lost on me

@ebsss100

2 жыл бұрын

Thinking the same thing man lol

@morganthem

2 жыл бұрын

I think if they made it longer tiktok users wouldn't watch it

@azhar17kkk

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he is targeting tiktok users that's why

@RickDidaz

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@lolsup9817

2 жыл бұрын

And everyone in the comments talking about the great thing they did removing tiktok while watching yt shorts

I think the takeaway here, for me at least, is that a lot of these social media companies succeeded in their goal of optimizing watch time, at the cost of many people losing personal control to stop using these platforms.

@manan-543

2 жыл бұрын

It's all about the money money money

@MrGuil1710

2 жыл бұрын

their goal is to also make you addicted to it

@carlos41519

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a personal problem

Feeling smug that I’ve never got into tiktok... but tbh I feel like I probably have similar effects from my KZread usage even though they tend to be much longer and intellectually stimulating videos. They are still so frequent and a constant distraction when I could be sitting quietly, reading, writing, or reflecting on what I’ve learned which would surely be more beneficial. All about moderation!!

@acraze2287

2 жыл бұрын

its good that you're humble about it, too many people feel so self righteous about the fact that they don't have it. i dont have it either, but i dont feel the need to tell everyone that i dont have it.

@Mii.2.0

2 жыл бұрын

As attention spans are slowing down across the country, seeing people not having TikTok or deleting it is quite refreshing. 😌

@kittehtoes

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes here I am on my high horse of never once downloading tiktok even though I very much have a problem with mindlessly scrolling through Twitter all day 🤪

@ethansocrates4252

2 жыл бұрын

same

@lucasmatsuoca

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, never created a tiktok acc, never used, but i spend way too much time on youtube, which is most likely negative in the same way tiktok is

I feel like it also effects your attention span the fact how short most vids are, I can see why ppl would become addicted and binge, the app is made to be that way

@acraze2287

2 жыл бұрын

ironically this is coming from a youtube short

@sugarqbs

2 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting that for as much sense as this theory makes (at least in my head) that it’s been around for quite a while; people as far back as the 1950s were worried about music getting commodified and shortened as pop music took brought waves of songs 3 minutes long that repeated 4 times. Whatever the effect of media on shortening attention span, I think it’s possible that we would be approaching the limit (which i guess is a good thing? it cant get much worse, i think)

@1ksubscriber577

2 жыл бұрын

@@acraze2287 This is targeted to them

The question here is if people who use tiktok in excess are people who already have a bad working memory (such as people with ADHD) or if tiktok actually causes problems with working memory in people who aren't prone to overusing social media. In order to do determine this, they'd probably have to do a longitudinal study where they monitor partipants' social media use over years and years. Interesting study though!

@cosmicglass5889

2 жыл бұрын

I find myself that when I go through phases of using my phone a lot, I can’t remember things as well so I think it’s a pretty solid theory that it interferes with memory :) kinda scary to think about though 😅

@aniruddhasen8801

2 жыл бұрын

YES! I was hoping to find a comment like this! If I didn't, I would have posted something like it, myself. I was originally gonna call bullshit on this study, but since I didn't know anything about it aside from the details shared in this video, I thought it best to try to find the study myself, and read it . . . which I might go and do after posting this unnecessarily long comment that was originally supposed to be just a "+1". 😅

@swinxfee

2 жыл бұрын

or you just look around you at the average user. Tiktok has millions of users. Are you really gonna claim that the majority has ADHD or a similar condition. If anything the use of social media has adapted the average person's brain to BECOME more susceptible.

@swinxfee

2 жыл бұрын

@@aniruddhasen8801 it's in the description box, no searching necessary. But as you didn't reply, i assume you're tiktok-affected brain didn't go through with the plan because... Wait what was I saying?

I literally had to stop using tiktok, since it started making me miserable, instead of giving me a quick laugh once in a awhile 🙃

@jakes.house.

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah had mine for about 3 months. Deleted it a month ago

@plseditmynamealready6537

2 жыл бұрын

And you replaced TikTok with a carbon copy of TikTok…

I still haven't downloaded TikTok and I'm still glad I never will

@dmystfy

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@satyaa_x

2 жыл бұрын

Salute

@ccssp

2 жыл бұрын

YT shorts is the exact same thing lol

@dmystfy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ccssp shorts are integrated into a larger platform. The majority of people don’t come to KZread solely to watch shorts unlike TikTok

@ccssp

2 жыл бұрын

@@dmystfy but the majority of people who watch shorts are just watching tik toks…

It’s not just TikTok. I quit Facebook because I noticed I started to have difficulty concentrating - like even having to rewind MULTIPLE times to finish a 10-min video. Our brain did not evolve to take in this much info. Side note (haha): Greg looks really cute here.

Add Instagram reels and KZread shorts to this hellscape

@gavcanflip

2 жыл бұрын

At least YT Shorts stop after a certain number of videos, instead of Reels and TikTok that let you scroll forever

Good, more proof that I am NOT recommended to touch that dumpster fire of an app.

Ironic that this is a short

@Kristian179

2 жыл бұрын

well it is KZread shorts afterall

@rodriguezsanchezmarcoibrim1983

2 жыл бұрын

People here say: "Im glad I still haven't downloaded Tik Tok", but most of the KZread Shorts are frist made in Tik ToK, so, You all are consuming almost the same content

@Kristian179

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodriguezsanchezmarcoibrim1983 but I guess you also don't have to watch shorts if you don't want

@1ksubscriber577

2 жыл бұрын

Medicine used to be give to patients

@meiter4515

7 ай бұрын

@@Kristian179the thing is that is addictive, you go on yt to search smith as an example, yt puts you a short instead of the main page but you instantly get interested and unconsciously enter in the loop os swiping until you realize what’s going on and now you just wasted 30 minutes on useless videos that you will forget

Basically, your mom was right. It is that damn phone :(

I mean if you look at substance use disorders, people with active ones of those also have lower cognitive capacities but when they stop or reduce use the capacity increases... Wonder if people who stop or substantially limit TikTok would see the same kinds of improvement

@TheSheepster

2 жыл бұрын

I would think so too

@madhatressadastra8267

2 жыл бұрын

That's so true. I met a guy who was diagnosed with Autism, then one day the doctor said all his symptoms had just disappeared. He had stopped doing meth.

When tik tok first came out I said “I’m not using it, it’s for children” Then I downloaded it. Used it once and stopped. It was too addicting. I knew I’d NEVER get work done 😂😂😂😂

wait is it that tiktok reduced working memory to 3 from the average 4, or is it that people who already have lower working memory where more susceptible to getting stuck in the feed? I already have low working memory and have a strict 15 min max set for tiktok because I felt it was easy to get addicted. I'm going to check out the paper

I really liked that caveat at the end about how possibly anxious or depressed people are more inclined to use tiktok more often. Personally I see more weight in the argument that short form videos are somewhat harmful, but I don't like to ignore other possibilities or jump to conclusions. Just because A and B are present, doesn't mean A lead to B, there could be other connections at play.

@RoseGardenDream

2 жыл бұрын

Like people who are ADHD enjoying the app more because it allows our brains to watch something that we can keep up with, and because it’s short, if we don’t enjoy something it’s over quick.

I'm glad I've never used TikTok in my life before, not even once

@meiter4515

7 ай бұрын

Yt shorts is the same thing, has the same effects, hypocrite.

Do you realize that those are the symptoms with any kind of addiction

Good thing I watch shorts, not tik toks

Y'all are being too smug for people who are watching a YT short

Downloaded TikTok to write a shit review + giving it 1 star.

_me with adhd so I'm more prone to anxiety and having impaired working memory is part of the package_ Interesting.

This has to be the most important study for the good of the young

So "tiktok use disorder" or "short video watching disorder"? I'm not dissing anyone, never used tiktok, but the underlying issue with tiktok is the bite size content that created habit for its viewer to be more demanding for short contents, thus leading to expectation of always be reminded of current events that relegated long term memory. Same principle then applied to youtube shorts.

@josephweaver8545

2 жыл бұрын

Tiktoks algorithm is so addictive, it is much more powerful than KZreads

Don’t have TikTok, but I can still remember my giant worlds in my dreams and continue them throughout the day.

Same applies to other platforms as well, Facebook, KZread, and other stuff. Just use them as you want, don't let them recommend stuff for you not to deadlock for ever.

tbh almost all social media platforms have this same effect. i hate it

This is just... Addiction. Why do we keep putting different names on different addictions? It is the same as drugs, alcohol, food, and cigarettes. it isn't a friggin disorder

I’ve noticed I’ve had it bad for months now. Deleted the app a couple weeks back and trying to focus on tasks that take more of my attention span. I still tend to scroll on Instagram, but at least now it’s one less app to be controlling me.

As someone with ADHD i could never get into the short contents such as vine, musically and tiktok as the quickness of it all would leave me feeling internally chaotic. I imagine people who aren't already susceptible to that wouldn't notice the effect it has on them as it would take much longer. Where as I have a lower threshold and would feel unsettled after just a week of daily use.

I’m glad they acknowledged causation vs correlation and didn’t just leave it at the clickbait

Being one of the people to never use tiktok is honestly a huge flex at this point.

It’s definitely the people who are addicted to TikToc had underlying conditions like Anxiety, Depression, Chronic illness and PTSD looking to the app for a dopamine hit, not vice versa, where emotionally stable people download the app and end up consumed by it. Most of us are just looking for something to watch while we disassociate.

They made it a short video cause tiktok users can't watch a longer video

This is exactly why I didn’t download the app :/

@meiter4515

7 ай бұрын

And you’re on yt shorts, same thing

The lesser memory at 1 point can just be because tik toks are so addictive that once a person starts procrastinating they don't have time to learn anything new 😂

"Oh gawd I have it" I love that so much

This is exactly why I deleted Tiktok lol I could feel myself becoming addicted and neglecting other things in my life

PLEASE put this onto a longer video. I promise I’ll watch the whole thing! Deleted Tiktok last month til I can get my usage under control.

Yes! Thank you for acknowledging the fact that this study is simply correlational and we don’t necessarily have the data to make causal claims just yet

This is so funny and I love that it's a short. Lolol

I went on tiktok and literally deleted the app before I lost my last brain cell. My brain was over heating and fried with steam shooting out my ears. Such an awful app and people on there.

Personally i think its more so that people that are depressed and anxious are using tiktok as a getaway the same way people would be reading books playing video games etc. And seeing that most people on tiktok are middle school/high school level could support that

And this is why I’m so happy that I never installed that stupid app.

TikTok has perfected social media addiction

greg is just the absolute BEST

So to summarize it impairs one’s level of intelligence

Before: wrinkles on the brain After: smooth as butter

In part the effect is related to the fast paced media bombardment we have been subjected to for most of our lives, leaving many with short attention spans and an inability to concentrate/focus for long periods of time, artificially induced ADHD

Make a video about the brain on Pre Workout

I deleted it months ago and it took two weeks until i didnt "yearn" for it and i swear after those 2 weeks passed i literally felt different. And even tho it's been months, a week ago i dreamed i downloaded tiktok but in the dream i remembered i had deleted it for a reason and quickly did so

I have noticed this exactly with myself! My short term memory got absolutely trashed by yt shorts

As a person who doesn’t have tik-tok, I have to say the decision of not downloading it is getting better and better

For me, it doesn't matter what platform it is. If I have information overload, it feels like my brain melts, and I can't get my thoughts together, let alone do something productive

Without my phone, I'd probably spiraled into more rage induced bs, I become a bottle being filled with a liquid and the liquid cant escape

i feel like this is just another form of social addiction, but at a higher level

I feel like this applies to any social media. Tik tok just has more addicting algorythm

“I want to get out of this hell hUih”

I've had this issue before and it really affected my mind and I'm unable to fully focused at work (WFH setup). I finally decided to uninstall the TikTok app and after a week of difficult adjustments, I'm not craving to use the app and finally myself again. I avoid Reels and Shorts like this as much as possible tho hahaha i just love your channel so i watch you two 😘💕

We’ve been known that tiktok has a highly advanced AI.

I think it's mainly got to do with the extent period of use...like if its short while it may help you perceive more info with the same amount of time and retaining that info but with many often using it for easily over 30 minutes each time, it isn't allowing them to process all that information and gets trashed, wasting their memory and processing

WAIT!! If Tik Tok changes your brain because it adapts to the way you provide it with informations, there must be a positive site effect to it too, amirite??

Depression and anxiety are known to affect short term memory, the activity of using tiktok seem like the perfect bad habit for a depressed person. It is falsely soothing to know you can "quickly" watch some but all the stimulation causes mental fatigue. I looked at my watchtime while I was not treated and now that I have a decent treatment and there is about a 50% decrease. I think people with depression and/or anxiety tend to use tiktok more and it might lead to that statistic. But it could also be the effect of tiktok on the brain, I don't really know

That moment when you use YT Shorts instead of tiktok

Guys we are talking about social media in general. Glad to see studies being done, but TikTok is definitely not the only issue causing these problems. centered around social media

I feel like it's extremely more likely for the usage of TikTok to be a symptom rather than a cause

Me who uses KZread short: *haha, I'm always one step ahead!*

Haha the best thing with Tik Tok is to never start using that social media platform otherwise you be trapped and it be hard to give up.

Ah yes, another "new thing bad" study...why don't they instead make studies on how to help teenagers with anxiety and depression instead of telling their parents that every form of escapism is bad for their brain

@beakless_duck

2 жыл бұрын

Well… I’m not entirely sure that escapism is a good thing. Relieving stress is one thing, but there are more productive ways like sports/exercise, art, etc rather than consuming short form content

@monikakavaliunaite8017

2 жыл бұрын

@beaklessduck it might be different for everyone, but when i was a teen there was no tiktok (that weird zone between vine being gone and musically emerging) so for me it was all about KZread and music. I was in a dark place and if I didn't have headphones to block out the world and the internet to hide in, I can guarantee that I would have done something bad.

@somenerdidk

2 жыл бұрын

Its not about escapism, escapism isnt necesarily bad, the underlying issue is that these platforms with their bite sized and fast paced content are getting these kids addicted, i understand this platform might be escapism for some but it can be very harmful, i think parents should definetly limit the time their kids spend on these apps

@elitecereal

Жыл бұрын

Or else we wouldn’t be warned about this and then more teens would be affected by this.

Protip: use the back button on your phone to skip to the next video. Do not scroll. If you tap the back button twice it will kick you out of the app and you can move on with your day.

The fact that this is a youtube short witch is just tiktok in youtube.

I teach middle schoolers and sadly this is all true. Higher rates of anxiety, adhd, and depression as well as significant decrease in retention and cognitive skills. I don’t know how parents let their children use it, and I don’t understand how parents literally record their children and exploit them for likes and followers. It’s definitely doing more harm than good and no one cares.

TikTok is the whippits of social media.

I almost forgot to activate my sarcasm detector

Although i watch these shorts sometimes i have never even downloaded tiktok and im proud of it

you both are together now right??? Love you both a lot!!

The same is applicable for KZread shorts.

I had all of that before using TikTok - and I don't even look at it that often LOL

Let’s not forget, KZread shorts are similar, so don’t abuse those either, it’s the same principle.

It’s 100% short form content that’s causing the issues. I have a very addictive personality. So I deleted all my social media apps. It was great for about a year. That all changed with KZread shorts.

funny how people here talk about not using tiktok, while youtube shorts is literally a tiktok clone 😂

So, as someone who deals with chronic illness as well as mental illness such as anxiety and depression, I will say that I tend to use things like KZread shorts or video games to help combat my anxiety. It allows me to get involved and enveloped in something that takes my mind away from... well, my mind. I do believe that it is more that it feeds into that demographic. My sister, who also suffers from anxiety, is on tiktok 24/7. The withdrawal, and again this is just my uneducated guess, would be because you now don't have something to occupy your mind and disappear from your own thoughts.

I don't need TikTok to have Bad Working Memory™, 'cause I've got ADHD

I swear people who use tiktok have possibly the shortest attention span ive seen

Honestly Tiktoktips or whateva they’re called is pretty helpful when they tell me to stop scrolling.

I don’t have tiktok for this reason. But then there is Instagram reels 😭😭

I don't use tiktok and still have the symptoms XD

The fact that im playing this video on 2x speed because anything lower is too slow for me!

I would say this is not just because of tiktok but it can happen from similar apps and any kind of obsession.

Id suspect the memory thing has more to do with the characteristics of people who are drawn to using social media alot rather than after-affects

Good thing I don't use Tik Tok, welp back to Instagram.

Before TikTok came out, I used to just watch soooo many videos daily on KZread and I think this happened to my memory as I grew up oops 😭

tik tok, instagram, reddit - all these platforms have significantly reduced our attention span we have a attention span as long as a meme- thats why we can't focus on things, get frustrated easily and have started to lose memory. may god save us

You've made a tiktok style video to critic tiktok... The irony could literally crush someone!

Remember those movie scenes of a person being tortured by being tied to a chair and forced to watch a wall of tvs, each on a different channel? Tik Tok is torture, just self imposed.

As a person with GAD I am glad that I don't use TikTok. Even if they're kidding 😂😂

Isnt that just a regular internet addiction

tiktok and twitter have definitely ruined my attention span lol

@pakistan-dv2bp

2 жыл бұрын

Damm

The correlation between depression and tiktok use is most likely caused by a combination of factors. Depressed people of varying levels of depression and anxiety want to feel validated in their emotional/psychological state and seek out that validation. Tiktok (and the rest of the internet) then becomes a breeding ground for people to come together and share and validate their depression and anxiety. It can also be said that there are young people who want to fit in with those they find to be funny or admire, which can trigger similar patterns of thinking in those young people so that they can become more like their internet peers. Long story short, the people watching tiktok pick up thinking patterns of the tiktok stars and implement those negative thinking habits into their own thinking and become depressed.