How the US Navy's new C-130s could end the world
If nuclear war were to break out in the coming years, there's a solid chance the solemn responsibility of relaying the message to launch America's nuclear weapons would come down to a specially equipped fleet of C-130 Hercules cargo aircraft.
Let's talk about the unique TACAMO mission, and why aircraft are an essential part of maintaining communications with America's submerged ballistic missile submarines.
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Did that Hercules just do a loop?👀
@scabthecat
Ай бұрын
Wait, what? I never knew they could do that. Or any plane that big for that matter.
@whateves5369
Ай бұрын
The Blue Angel's Hurc usually does it at their air shows. Also doing the rocket assisted short take offs
@neuropilot7310
Ай бұрын
@@scabthecatThat may have been a L-100J (Civilian C-130J) shown at an airshow a few years ago. They did loops and rolls not previously seen from a C-130/C-130J
@thedeadmoneyallstars
Ай бұрын
Yup, first cargo aircraft that can do barrel rolls 😁
@Kpar512
Ай бұрын
@@whateves5369 I've seen the Blue Angels a number of times, but never saw "Fat Albert" do a loop!
The C130 is a fine example (along with the B-52) of a well designed aircraft able to perform long after the original designers are dead and buried. This doesn't mean the changes haven't been made - of course they have - but the basic airframe design has been proven over years of exactly just how good it is.
@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle
Ай бұрын
Don't forget the KC-135!
@a4ordy877
Ай бұрын
Did Kelly Johnson design the c-130??
@seanoneill9130
Ай бұрын
C-130s require more than 20 maintenance manhours per flight hour. Junk.
@Yosh1az
Ай бұрын
@@seanoneill9130 the newer variant C-130j only needs 10
@alexv3357
Ай бұрын
There's really never not going to be a good use for big, tough truck of a plane like that
That last line "the B52 might outlive us all, but it just might be the C130 that ushers in our demise" was a haunting piece of poetry
@vic5015
Ай бұрын
Only until tye Air Force finally runs out of spare parts. I've heard they're having to steal parts from B52s in museums.
@vic5015
Ай бұрын
Only if the Air Force doesn't run put of spare parts. I've hesrd theyre having to get them from museum exhibits.
@swell07_
Ай бұрын
youve got some sort of weird fetish if you think thi youtube is publishing poetry
@bennychesney7185
Ай бұрын
@@vic5015 that problem is effecting all aircraft right now. The civilian market isn't much better, a lot of planes are sitting and waiting for parts to be manufactured
@vic5015
Ай бұрын
@bennychesney7185 its especially bad with the B52. The production lines fior spare parts, pretty obviously, closed down *decades* ago. No doubt the USAF faces similar challenges with its many Boeing 707-based airframes. Somewhere, probably at places like the National Museum of the Air Force at Wright-Pattersin AFB, there are a *whole* bunch of B52s on display that are discreetly missing a whole slew of vital spare parts.
The C-130 will be flying in some form or another for another 70 years.
@davefellhoelter1343
Ай бұрын
A Great Truck is always a GREAT TRUCK! age just makes it better.
@mistypig
Ай бұрын
I have to remark at that UN SPACY pfp
@rustymustard7798
Ай бұрын
There will be a variant of the C-130 doing airdrops on Mars by then lol.
@TheOriginalFaxon
Ай бұрын
Considering it's the largest transport plane that can take off and land on our carriers unassisted, I think the Navy is going to want the government to keep them around in some form just as transport aircraft until then at least. Unless they come up with an easier and faster way of moving massive amounts of cargo to carriers in an emergency, it's absolutely worth it. Yea the platform is old as fuck but I legitimately think we should keep making them unless someone can come up with a similar sized replacement that does something significantly better without sacrificing on any of the other stuff the C-130 excels at.
@Tenchigumi
Ай бұрын
Ditto. @@mistypig
It's pronounced; (TAC - A - MO) or TACAMO. An EC-130 can be forward deployed anywhere around the world and like you said can land almost anywhere. Only the 1961 (proof of concept) version was a roll-on-roll-off system after those initial test the EC-130 G and Q models were permanent instillations. At that time there was a TACAMO aircraft aloft over the Atlantic and Pacific oceans 24-7-365 basis. I supervised the communications portion of the missions from 1972-1976 as an Aircrew member of VQ-4 (Crew 7) NAS Patuxent River Maryland .Those were days to remember.
@cowtipper8951
Ай бұрын
Toyota Tacamo
START is pointless when only one side sticks to it.
@user-ij6mf2hp3r
Ай бұрын
Yep. No argument about that! It's like going to e.v. If everyone doesn't do it, it's not going to work.
@MRsolidcolor
Ай бұрын
thats the problem with american leadership.. they want this. they dont want us getting beast mode again... they want us weak
@MrTzeNoh
Ай бұрын
Just remeber: the othet side wasnt able to build cars with seatbelts. Just sit it out, their arms will decay all by themselves.
@JWQweqOPDH
Ай бұрын
@@user-ij6mf2hp3rE.V.s are a bit different because even if everyone was in agreement it'd be very challenging to implement. We don't have enough of certain elements like Lithium and Cobalt in order to replace every vehicle on Earth with an E.V. The power grid would need an enormous amount of work done to it, including charging stations, transmission lines, and energy storage. If you want to drop fossil fuels in electricity production then you'd spend more on grid storage than on E.V.s themselves.
@user-ij6mf2hp3r
Ай бұрын
I agree with you completely. Also, I've been told about the amount of Petro. it takes to build the batteries is a big issue. My background is industrial maintenance in chemical plant maintenance. One project was styrene monomer for plastic cups, plates and many other uses. Barge loads came weekly. Also, heat was producing heat. It's a bunch of bs and as you said,we don't have the capability for that. Thanks for your kind input. God bless us all. Greg
I got to tour an E-6B at Travis AFB. Yes that antenna spool is in the back section. I had no clue what it was and one of the crew members told me, "That's in case we want to go fishing".
Great vid. Just have someone pronounce TACAMO for you.
I did 14 strategic detergent patrols onboard three Ohio-class subs. Tacamo aircraft sucked balls, because they only flew on Sunday night, and Sunday was our day to catch up on sleep. if you ever wonder why anyone would turn down $100K for a two-year re-enlistment, just spend one day aboard a missile sub on strategic alert.
@wolfhunter98
Ай бұрын
The fact the government is giving a "grunt" more than his whole yearly paycheck as a bonus to keep doing his job should tell you well enough. Not Navy myself, mind if I ask why you guys would never just rotate the "sleep day" to offset that?
@jimfrazier8611
Ай бұрын
@@wolfhunter98 Apparently the upper brass feels like they can't give us a decent night of sleep, without us turning into the Air Force or something.
@420MrReefer
22 күн бұрын
Bet you cleaned up on those missions ; )
@jimfrazier8611
22 күн бұрын
@@420MrReefer It's called a Strategic Detergent Patrol for a reason. Mostly because the atmosphere aboard a nuclear submarine is about 17% Oxygen, and 83% lube oil vapor. We probably wiped up 100 gallons of yellow oil each patrol.
Alex, it's pronounced TAC-A-MO! Glad to see you cover this mission.
@matthewdavies2057
Ай бұрын
Beat me to it.
@colinkelly990
Ай бұрын
Me too
@Kook-a-mal
Ай бұрын
Me too!
@davestarr7112
Ай бұрын
Me 4. I worked the ground-based VLF radios for the USA for some years. Fascinating system, thanks for this post.
@HolySoliDeoGloria
Ай бұрын
\TACK-uh-moe\, not \ta-KAH-moe\
A very close family member in an engineer for the c-130 "propulsion" and I asked when they will be retiring that airframe. The reply was "They are flying it until it falls out of the sky" LOL
The utility of the c130 never stops impressing, even more so its potential
I served at TACAMO and I can't help but wonder how the pilots and aircrew feel about going from a 707 to a C-130.
@jordibt1789
Ай бұрын
I'm sure they'll throy a temper tantrum, but they should be grateful that they're staying with 4 engines, not something the Poseidons can claim. I'm sure it won't make them feel better but at least they got a replacement, Spain replaced their SIGINT/ELINT 707 "the queen of the spectrum" (and 2 c212) with literally nothing.
@mendodsoregonbackroads6632
Ай бұрын
They’re going to like it. Nice new C130J right off the assembly line. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about going from C-9 to C130T back in the day either.
@MaggieKeizai
Ай бұрын
How were the shitters on the E6? Because on the Hercules, it's a half step up from a sloppy bucket and you are FORBIDDEN from pooping in it under penalty of death. There's a janky curtain for modesty, that's it. Apart from that, great planes.
@robertworley9620
Ай бұрын
In the '70s the TACAMO birds were EC-130Q. Those airframes were sold & converted to airborne firefighters.
@lafeeshmeister
Ай бұрын
@@MaggieKeizai Yeah, I was gonna say: fix the shitter, put a 20mm on the back, and you have a dream aircraft. Kidding about the 20mm.
C-130 is a one of a kind. You know something different is flying when it goes over head. Got to stay on Maxwell for a couple years, found myself down at the grocery store watching them land and takeoff, got to see a bunch of different aircraft there but the c-130’s definitely my favorite.
@user-ij6mf2hp3r
Ай бұрын
Maxwell! I've been there and saw the Thunder Birds in F-16s. I will be there in April. Good air show. Everyone, I'm sorry for starting in on the E.V. discussion. My bad. This is probably not what Alex wants. But I do like everyone thinking about it. I don't know the answer. I'm just saying.
@nelson8527
Ай бұрын
@@user-ij6mf2hp3r yea I got to see the thunderbirds down there when i was on base. Awesome place, miss it honestly.
@user-ij6mf2hp3r
Ай бұрын
@@nelson8527 I live about 250 miles away from there. My uncle was a Crew Chief on F-102 and 106 then went to work for Delta in B-Ham. That's what hooked me on aviation. Great talking with you. Call anytime.
I had no idea the TACAMO system existed before this
@wolfhunter98
Ай бұрын
Same, but also had no idea how the subs got the EMS messages. Neat to know, and the land based ones.
When I worked at McDonnell Douglas on the C17 program in the electronics department. All C17 have these communications capabilities [very low frequency communication]
Eventually, they'll retrofit a Hurc for dogfighting.
@sierp13pl
Ай бұрын
I think it's already happened. I saw some pictures of Hercules with AIM-9 something under it's wings mounted on pylons
@SDJMEfan12
Ай бұрын
Wouldn’t a 130 gunship with a DEW system on board be exactly that?
@kerbalairforce8802
Ай бұрын
The weapon pylons that AC-130s have for small diameter bombs and hellfire missiles could easily carry AIM-9X and fired off bore.
@jakeaurod
Ай бұрын
Dogfighting might be cool. But how about a _Rapid Dragon_ style of Air Defense by dropping pallets of AAMs or even SAMs? I call it _Rapid Fraggin'_ .
@NoName-ds5uq
Ай бұрын
I’ve been to one of those communications bases(Exmouth). It was weird using US currency at the bar here in Australia! We had to leave early unfortunately because of the swells at our exposed pier.
C130 is such a legend
C'mon Alex, "This is...SEAPOWER!"
@TamagoHead
Ай бұрын
🤣G1!
@thesuit4820
Ай бұрын
Worlds second largest air force....
@letsgobrandon2523
Ай бұрын
Seriously man, keep the iconic intro!
@user-ij6mf2hp3r
Ай бұрын
I love the way you think. Sea power.
@The_ZeroLine
Ай бұрын
You’re ALEX HOLLINGS!
Best job I ever had was as an IFT on EC-130G/Q in the eighties! Loved it
I’d love a show that talked about all the current and future roles for the C-130. It’s a dragon ship, an ammunition hauler for the Navy, a cargo aircraft for delivering troops and supplies in rough areas, and it can drop/launch hundreds of cruise missiles/drones, etc. Talk about versatility.
@jigsaw6246
Ай бұрын
Don't forget the WC-130J Hurricane Hunters that fly directly into hurricanes for the Air Force and the NOAA.
This totally took me back to the movie, Crimson Tide! "Scary scenario" is the understatement of all time!
Never even had an idea about this “problem” Thanks for informing me Alex.
A video about the X65 and active flow control would be cool.
@EDCandLace
Ай бұрын
I 2nd this!
@everypitchcounts4875
Ай бұрын
Add XQ-67a to the list
In the late80’s during a commo exercise, we could copy Tacamo PAC , Looking Glass, Abncap Eur, Tacamo Lant, all while submerged in south Atlantic close to Africa
The US Army just chose General Dynamics and Rheinmetall as finalists for the 4000 Bradley replacement IFVs. Could you do a Firepower series video about this program, the two finalists and the other three that dropped out. Or more generally the current state of IFVs (Bradley, CV90, Puma, Lynx) and their most likely future. Maybe even including anti air IFVs like some CV90 variants and SkyRanger.
@angelarch5352
Ай бұрын
yes pls!:)
@3dpyromaniac560
Ай бұрын
Surprised Task & Purpose hasn't yet...
Fascinating stuff Alex, I can always count on your channel to bring forth some interesting and informative content!
This video reminds me of English assignments in college, where a question is asked, such as, "How would nuclear submarines get notified to launch their missiles if radio waves don't travel underwater?" And then you answer with "The C-130 will fly over their operating area relaying the message using Ultra Low Frequency" but the professor says, "That's a good answer, but you need to make it 5,000 words and make the C-130 seem like its mission is more dramatic than that."
Holy crsp! Navy here handled a lot of intel and I did not know that! I can always count on you.
I just know Alex was smiling saying now this is fire 🔥 when he wrote that last "usher our demise" line cause it is
this was a great video to add to your library. A+ brother
Nice video Alex. Brought back memories for me. I had a short tenure as a Tacamo Reel Operator ( VQ-3 NAS Barber’s Pt, HI). I can definitely see how the Herc would be much more cost effective and reliable. I remember on my first flight as a reel operator going up to the cockpit just to stretch my legs and move around. When I get up there, I was surprised to see the flight engineer in the pilot seat, the pilot and copilot were in the galley 😂. Yeah, those continuous orbits were really a drag until you get used to it🥴🤢🤮. VQ-3 was a crazy bunch but I guess that was their way of blowing off steam. The only squadron to be banned from staying at certain hotel chain worldwide 😂. When I got back from those long flights, my wife would ask me why I was walking with a tilt
@thud1241
Ай бұрын
I worked maintenance on the trailing wire antenna system on USAF EC-135s. Yes, five miles of wire but on a normal mission they only used 14,800 feet.
VLF is only used to call sub up to a higher depth so that higher frequency radio can transmit data faster. VLF is painfully slow.
Alex, I Really enjoy your expertise and insights into America's military machines.
I thought for sure this was going to be about Rapid Dragon! I think the C-130 is the perfect aircraft for this mission. Cheap, reliable, versatile & long endurance.
Thanks for the updates and the work you put into your videos. Even though I personally don't have a military mindset, it's always fun to watch your videos
@7:43, wow, they really pounded that landing down! Didn’t even attempt a flare!😂
Good stuff as always, Alex.
This is the usual well informed, authoritative report. Warmest compliments. Thank you, sir. :)
Alex, I love your videos, you're the best as far as I concerned. I was thinking about VLF transmissions and I was under the impression that the bandwidth was low and of course it's one way to the sub. You didn't mention ELF which is even lower in frequency and bandwidth. There are 2 ground stations in the US and all it's capable of doing is sending a coded letter group that signals the sub to come up to communicate with the Navy's satellite system. I read that VLF only reaches around 20 meters into the water while ELF penetrates to around 150 meters. I'd like to understand this system better.
@summitap1
Ай бұрын
ELF stations shut down 20 years ago. Just VLF now
One additional wrinkle: The C130 can operate off the deck of a carrier.
The other way to communicate with a submarine would be acoustically - you'd need a very loud sound source to cover the ocean, but that's not impossible. They'd pick up the signal on their sonar, which they are constantly listening to already.
always great from SB
C-130 is a swiss army knife. It does cargo transport, it’s a solid jump plane, it does search and rescue, it does surveillance , it’s a flying tank (ac-130), and apparently makes a good comms relay to subs.
The surface fleet also maintains ELF/VLF capability.
I have always been astonished at how well sound travels underwater. Once a couple of decades back I had a friend bang two rocks together underwater at a moderately busy pond. While I swam away. I got maybe 50-60 feet away and underwater I could still hear them. While above water, I couldn't hear them no matter how hard he hit them. This simple demo really stuck with me. Especially when the subject turns to communication with subs or whatnot underwater.
@Kyzyl_Tuva
Ай бұрын
I believe these are EM waves, not sound waves
@bassmechanic237
Ай бұрын
I always thought ELF was the vibration of the tectonic plates, and i lived on board a boomer for years. I had no idea there was a back up for the ground stations, as there antennas poke straight into the ground quite far. Guess you always need a back up for a back up
@michaelgautreaux3168
Ай бұрын
It's called Sonar. Different frequencies but noise just same. In this case it's 1 way.
@TheOriginalFaxon
Ай бұрын
This same effect is why sound can literally kill you underwater if it's loud enough, and it can seriously disable you or cause life-threatening injuries at slightly further away.
@AmericanAdvancement
Ай бұрын
@@TheOriginalFaxonThat’s why sperm whales are dangerous. When they start clicking at a high pitch (think the pitch they use to hunt giant squid), people become immobilized and can drown if help isn’t provided immediately
You do good work !!!!!
Very interesting video, learned a lot from it.
Not to mention the modified c-130 carrier landing and take off testing in 1963. Not saying that it is being practiced now but with carrier's slightly larger, it could be possible
-TACAMO East has been using C-130s for connections with Subs since at least1972. My next door neighbor was Flight Engineer on one back then they kept one on station in the Atlantic 24-7 out of PAX RIVER NAS for the majority of the Cold WAR. And they had VLF Radio transmitter attached to one of the Engines. He said you could read the MORRIS CODE ON THE RPM GAGE Back then the length of the antenna was classified.
@illininighthunter9817
Ай бұрын
I am not sure where you heard this, but the E-6B is being used in TACAMO with squadrons VQ4 and VQ3. They do not use the C130 since switching over to the E6B, Pax River is a deployment base for those squadrons.
@DeanstuD
Ай бұрын
As a former Reel Operator, I say that what was classified about the wires 35 years ago still is classified, but it is wild to me how much is open about it nowadays.
Great stuff as always Alex...in the last few seconds of your video it shows the C-130 landing in the sand and going for reverse on the props to slow down and the sand that it kicks up and is inhaled to the engines is a nightmare for someone like me that maintains them... but very cool
Super interesting video. I learned something new today. Also that was an extremely strong title.
_"....and the history of these platforms warrants a video of its own..."_ LET'S GO!!! (3:48)
@DeanstuD
Ай бұрын
Coincidence? 348 is the Buno of the EC-130Q at tinker!
@THE-X-Force
Ай бұрын
@@DeanstuDahhah! .. the pieces are falling into place!
Whew - for a second there, I thought there might not be airpower news, and it would be all about boats, but Alex had us well covered. ;)
Okay, I want a video only about C-130 covering it's history and achievements
Thats cool stuff. Thanks.
One of the best Aircraft ever made The C-130 ⚔️ Just like a Raven 🐦⬛ it can do barrel rolls ❤
If you do a video on the Tacamo planes, don't forget The 747 based E4B. There were only a few made. Can you imagine a 747 flying in tight concentric circles for an extended period of time
Tak u Mo is how you pronounce it bty. Great video Alex.
As a former USN P3 flyer never heard TACAMO “TACK-A-MO” pronounced they way you said it “TE-CA-MO” unique. 👍
@MaggieKeizai
Ай бұрын
"Unique" is sometimes just another way of saying "wrong".
Maybe a slight editing error right at the end? Either way, great video.
*_I'M ALEX HOLLINGS!_*
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Good video, I worked at that squadron from 1985-1990. For reference it is pronounced "Tack-amo" with emphasis on "Tac".
It should be a modular system that can be loaded into any C - 130.
I think that the replacement will be a 737 variant, as the E-7 Wedgetail is. There would be some logistical efficiencies because of the E-7s that will replace the E-3 and likely still be based at Tinker AFB, where the E-6s are based. Also, the Navy's P-8 is a 737 airframe. The "dash" capability of a jet is a desired quality for escaping an inbound nuclear attack and for repositioning to a different base or communications station during a nuclear war.
@summitap1
Ай бұрын
I agree, also a 737 would have more room. When C-130 last did TACAMO, it was not also hosting the Looking Glass mission like E-6B is now.
@HolySoliDeoGloria
Ай бұрын
@@summitap1Another good point!
pretty impressive to see a plane that size fly like that
Did I just watch that C-130 invert and loop? Holy moly.
Could you do a video about the future of Shorad? Will short range air defense provided by the laser stryker? Will the Bradley replacement IFV XM30 function as an anti air cannon? Should the US look at the SkyRanger / Skynex / millenium gun system? And will there be a Stinger replacement with a better battery, targeting, and most importantly more affordable? Or is this affordable future the APKWS guidance upgrade for the cheap and plentiful Hydra 70mm rocket? Should we slap that on Avenger Hummvees? Or IRIS-T?
It's amazing how versatile the C-130 is. I don't know the range of one, but I'm sure that with wing tanks, it can reach just about anywhere.
@kerbalairforce8802
Ай бұрын
They regularly cross oceans
It surprises me a little that this couldn't be done with the largest Helos in the US military. I know you have an issue with range and there are a lack of carriers that are deployed at one time, but there are other ships that could hold a large Helo, of course LHA/D being one class of ship, but there aren't many of those either, and I don't think you could carry a large array on a smaller helo, maybe not even our largest. And the military also wants to use the C-130 for scramjet missiles too, correct? It may also carry drones and other missles. What a beast, and it would be REALLY hard for another country to keep track of which C-130 is doing what. I foresee a LOT of C-130s being built over the next two decades. Ol' Faithful.
Do a video on the Four Horseman! They are 4 aircraft demonstration team like the Blue Angels, but hercs.
Ac-130: Hellrider on site, just show me where they are
@swell07_
Ай бұрын
no such gunship put down the xbox controller bud
@FrostYT4444
Ай бұрын
@@swell07_ what do you mean? Also I don’t’t play on the xbox. Hell I haven’t even played call of duty before
The subs have VLF (very low frequency) receivers that can receive orders while submerged. VLF signals can penetrate sea water.
The way the antenna is un-spooled from the aircraft reminded me of this. Whilst some people here might be familiar with the Fulton Extraction system (if you're not it's worth a look up). There is a more primitive version use by early bush pilots (seen in Popular Science, December 1934). The aircraft would do circles above lowering a rope. Because of some neat physics, by the time the rope hit the ground, it was stationary to the ground but still attached to the aircraft screaming around at a hundred miles an hour. Mail delivery was done this way in Outback Australia where runways were not available. I heard the people behind Fulton played with this idea but found it too slow. Ended up adapting glider recovery tech from WW2 (another fun lookup) The closest live cargo I could find was a chicken and some eggs.
should’ve been C-power
Why are so many here stuck on the slight variations in pronunciation of Tac-amo? Really? Anyway.... Alex, love your videos! Top notch and your knowledge base is impressive. Keep on making the great videos! Fantastic! How do you put up with all the.... feedback? Omg!
C-130s did the TACAMO job before the E-6 anyway ... The E-6s had to have their tails modified / strengthened for the job
Hey Alex if you could cover the ill fated Canadian Avro Arrow and the cause of it's ultimate demise, it would be an interesting video to watch - thanks a bunch!!!
Outstanding episode! I've never heard the boomer mission put into more perfect context.
They were ancient back in the 70's when I flew in them on countless deployments. We called them "Pterodactyl Airlines".
And remember, the message they are relaying is "Don't shoot!"...
Good 'ol C130! What an engineering "marvel". Sometimes (mostly ALL the time) simplicity is the best answer.
Iirc the COG aircraft back in the fifties and sixties and probably part of the seventies had a long towed communication array it could use to launch missiles wirelessly. I think it could control planes too. Idk about subs. I think the plane or codename for the project was Lookinglass. They always had a general on board and airborne above the central US 24/7 for decades ready to send the launch codes.
I'd always thought that we were using extremely low frequency (ELF) communications from the fixed stations to relay ELF trigraphs. We'd have a long antenna via a spool that we'd deploy from the back of the sail when we were deep. I recall that we'd receive three characters every 5 minutes while submerged (ELF trigraph BJB and BVN are the ones that stick in my mind). If we missed three consecutive communications, we'd come shallow to copy radio traffic. I remember hearing the pronunciation as "TACK-AH-MOE."
@brucebarnes8138
Ай бұрын
What year were you in the service? What was your rate? Were you a Radio man or CT?
AC-130's have been doing such a flight maneuver for decades.
I live about 5 miles from Jim Creek Naval Base, the main submarine communication base for the West Coast. Would love to see a video on their MASSIVE miles wide antennas that criss cross the whole valley. Rumor has it you can send a one way signal to any submarine at any depth.
Let’s ride this crazy train!
Thanks.
I was on a nuke cruiser in the 90’s but I had a few acquaintances who went subs. One of them on the Alaska out of Bremerton told me that the Navy has some kind of sonar-based communication system as a backup to the TACAMO aircraft.
Why not just train a squad of dophins? "Okay, Flipper. Go find Timmy and tell him to launch!"
Do some look-ups. Subs communicate while submerged via a floating wire antenna. Being out of communications would defeat their whole reason for being, that being rapid retaliatory response, the key to deterrence. That antenna can receive satellite communications, so the TAC-a-mo system is a backup to that in the event of satellite communications being impossible.
@user-ij6mf2hp3r
Ай бұрын
It's been awhile but, they modified one to land in a soccer field! No shit.
@stephenhoward6829
Ай бұрын
@@user-ij6mf2hp3r They also have landed one on a carrier.
Very interesting video. Sort of a mix or Airpower and Seapower! My son is an officer on one of these boomers. Of course he can never tell us where he is or what he's doing, other than "his job," but we can get messages to him in the form of an email fairly easily. I believe that these VLF antenna are only used when the DEFCON level is increased and these subs are driven deeper into hiding. Otherwise these subs, like all US subs have a communications buoy that is released from the area behind the sail and raised close to the surface where a more normal RF communication can happen. All the while the sub stays well hidden some 300ft below the surface. This is a normal, day to day communications situation and probably not used during times of raised tensions.
7:07 Lolol...Yessir, Devil Dog...lol I remember the landing when we arrived at The Stumps for training... They just plopped the C-130 right onto an unimproved road (for the civilians, think: Dirt road, bumpy AF, etc...) like it was nothing... 😆
Just happen to be here let's check it out.
C-130, C-17, C-5, with Rapid Dragons. Crazy Stuff.
Now Crimson Tide makes sense! Lol
This feels like the plot of a 90's bond movie
🤔 We used to pronounce it TAC-A-MO. 🤷🏻♂️
@Rob_F8F
Ай бұрын
Is that a hard "A"? I always thought it was pronounced: ta-ka-mo (with soft "a")
@Ni999
Ай бұрын
@@Rob_F8F Soft As. TAC like tactical (not taco) and the middle syllable A rhymes with TAC. MO, long O, or like Big O if you liked cartoons. :)
@Ni999
Ай бұрын
@@Rob_F8F ta-ka-mo would work provided the emphasis stayed on the TA and both As stayed soft. Probably about indistinguishable from TAC-A-MO like that.
@Rob_F8F
Ай бұрын
@@Ni999 Thanks!
@Ni999
Ай бұрын
@@Rob_F8F Welcome! 🙂
An important detail needed here: The submarine unreels a long VLF receiver antenna and trails it. This antenna's far end floats on the surface and receives the transmission. This means the submarine follows a schedule to receive such transmissions. An Extremely Low Frequency message could penetrate the water to some modest depth on its own to tell the submarine to ascend to receive the VLF message, but dunno if the Navy even uses ELF anymore.