"How Strong would the earthlings be if the writers actually cared"

@SmolDoggo

Жыл бұрын

The whole thing about Dragon ball is that if you're not a Saiyan nah if you're not Goku, you don't get wins

@Solbrave00

Жыл бұрын

@@SmolDoggo dragon ball has been falling off for a long time now Jojo on the other hand at least cared for other characters other than the MC.

@gokuwrightattorneyatlaw5227

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much

@benjamincuevas9627

Жыл бұрын

@@Solbrave00 what's funny is that I heard Steelballrun was advertised describing Gyro as the main character.

@ExeErdna

Жыл бұрын

They would be star busters it would spread out the load of plots around goku and vegeta

"Maybe he's superhuman. Maybe you slackers aren't trying hard enough."

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Tfs reference. I like it.

@messaimounir7228

Жыл бұрын

"Said the non-super saiyan"

@steadfastscout4606

Жыл бұрын

@@messaimounir7228 "F*** off triclops"

@cruesteanmonarch7032

Жыл бұрын

@@messaimounir7228 "why do you keep antagonising him? You know he can kill us all."

@osirisjojo6876

Жыл бұрын

@@cruesteanmonarch7032 At this point its a game. If he gives in, I win, and he knows that.

The Kaio-Ken could have been the human response to the Super Saiyan transformation. They could even master it and make new "forms", just like the Super Saiyans. It would not be as strong, obviously, but at least they could defend Eart if any of the Saiyans isn't around. The showrunners could even make a sub plot where the Saiyans/Nameks aren't around to defend Earth because they are in some mission, like the Tournament of Power in DB Super or something, and is up to the Earthlings to finally defend their own home Planet. Personally, i like Tien, Yamcha and Krillin, so it would be cool to see them unlock new powers and transformations, kinda like the fan art of them shown in the video.

@prodbykaioken

Жыл бұрын

I am he, the kaio-ken

@Nombrenooriginal

Жыл бұрын

​@@prodbykaiokenprove it

@reactionlessssbu-clips2723

Жыл бұрын

Not sure how kaioken can be used as a form when it's only a technique to raise one's Ki level plus it can only be used in short bursts before severe impact on the body for too long a use. the drawbacks can get used to but doesn't mean it will be gone. Ultimate can help one break through their limits.

@dartagnanjames8069

Жыл бұрын

Tien should have gotten the Kaio-Ken. He was already built for it to begin with.

@prodbykaioken

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nombrenooriginal im watching porn i cant rn

Tien never really quit....he continued to train as in the Freeza saga but his foes and enemies just started getting stronger faster

@albireotheredguard1599

Жыл бұрын

It's not just that, he never changed how he trained. Tien's first mistake was not taking up Roshi's offer to train him. Second one and this goes for the other human fighters as well was not training with weighted clothing. Third was not learning Kaioken and fourth was no gravity training.

@todd3143

Жыл бұрын

@@albireotheredguard1599i think tien just isn’t that motivated anymore. although he held himself pretty well against super buu (as in did not die in one page/5 seconds), and did pretty well against the metal man during the moro saga in dbs

@alexzero3736

10 ай бұрын

​@@albireotheredguard1599are you kidding? They DID train with weighted clothes at Kamis lookout. You can see it in Sayian saga.

@jment34

6 ай бұрын

@@albireotheredguard1599 1 He did train at Roshi's house for a while but by then he had already surpassed Roshi who sent them to train by themselves. 2 He used the kaioken against ginyu but that seemed to be filler. 3 I agree with although he did train on 10x gravity on kai o sama's planet but refused to enter the room of spirit and time strange when they were preparing to go against cell.

@SPLASHGOD575

5 ай бұрын

​@jment34 You're the only one that made actual sense lol

The other thing you missed is that characters in Dragon Ball grow at their strongest when they train with a goal or target in mind.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

That didn’t even cross my mind. But yeah you’re right. I’ll take that into consideration when I make another video like this.

@jerryglennie5375

Жыл бұрын

Unutilized techniques I would say for training by themselves. Tien also has the ability to duplicate himself physically. While I don't know the full technics of this he could effectively half his power and after teaching it to krillin and yamcha they could double their training potential growth on their own and with each other. Just a thought?

@Billyblue98

Жыл бұрын

So theyvjust have to make their goal Goku's strongest transformation. Instant win. However, then Goku and Vegeta will also increase their training to stay level (or keep ahead) of Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha All this leads to base Krillin stomping on Beerus. I will make no further elaborations.

@jerryglennie5375

Жыл бұрын

@@Billyblue98 interesting thought though if master roshi as the titled strongest earthling human in super isn't strong enough than it would take a few centuries for them to get to Beerus level strength.

@Link_Hyrule211

Жыл бұрын

My Lvl 632 Prestige 3 rebirthed Human on dbz fs: HEHEHEHE

Yamcha and the other Z fighters not knowing Kaio-Ken really is upsetting

@Dc-kk9bd

Жыл бұрын

Piccolo would have killed Frieza and cell easily

@sul_9999

Жыл бұрын

I think they know how to use it, its just that compared to a saiyan body their human bodies would shatter almost instantly

@noxflo897

Жыл бұрын

@@sul_9999 for a normal human yes, but, The z fighters already surpassed the limitations of a normal human. They wouldn't collapse when they are in that form.

@Leonix13

Жыл бұрын

​@@sul_9999 no, Kimg Kai refused to teach them, especially after Goku abused it.

@sul_9999

Жыл бұрын

@@noxflo897 i mean what would the kaioken do? They are already grunt level so it wont change that much

I absolutely LOVE the fact that they got so much stronger, but at the same time the story didn't change

@seankock7649

Жыл бұрын

Yeah cause its always a clusterfuck realizing current krillin bodies namek frieza

@luizfe

Жыл бұрын

Dragon ball scaling is a Geometric progression: Goku trains 3 years with Kami-sama in db classic and gains approx 100 power level Earthlings trains 1 year with kamisama and gains approx 500-700 power level But Piccolo in 23th is 10 times weaker than Nappa, so the earthlings improvements don't matter Krillin got a lot of boosts in Namek saga, if i'm not mistaken he got 10 times stronger with a unlocking potential. Probably would have more chances against saiyan saga Vegeta than with Nappa 1 month earlier. But it doesn't matter anymore. The Ginyu force is much stronger, Only Goku with a power up bigger than the others could win. Earthlings also reached Kaio planet faster, gained more power than Goku in the same amount of time, but it doesn't matter anymore, because freeza 1st form power level is 30x higher than vegeta in saiyan saga and he is said to be 240x stronger than 1st form with 100% of power, Goku with a lot of gravity training, using and abusing of Zenkai and using his power multiplier (Kaioken) Was not enough to defeat a 50% freeza. Vegeta also got an absurd Zenkai after being cured by Dende, but Goku is still stronger and has Kaioken, will be a SSJ soon. But Earthlings improve faster? No, because Goku had the same training of Krillin as Roshi apprentice before 21th tournament but Goku seems to improve in a faster rate, and you see the earthlings training hard with Master Roshi before 21th and 22th tournament, they trained enough, but they are not Goku so their power level will rise less in that saga. Is just that each saga everyone gains some power, and each saga the power gained is bigger, master Roshi used to have less than 1000 of power level, that's enough to be very strong on DB, but in DBZ it's irrelevant. Master Roshi have decades and decades of training but could not take down Radditz or Vegeta so he didn't even showed up in that sagas. But seems in DBS they gave him power enough to beat things stupidly stronger with months of training? He can even teach Goku something after a long time(Dumb Goku of Super Version) But his power doesn't matter cause enemies are much stronger now. Ex: If sayains Got 10x10²² stronger, earthlings will get 9x10¹² stronger. Is strong enough to take down the enemy of the previous saga, but the current enemy is much stronger, and saiyans were stronger back than and gained more power. *i didn't watched the video yet, don't know what they will say. *I just saw DBS summary. I know they throwed Goku development in the trash can and made him dumber than in classic DB. Now DBS is less canonic than GT cause the story can't follow all requeriment needed to be the same history of last chapter of the manga. I don't have problems with who see DBS or DBGT, however i only watch DB and DBZ cause is a lot better in every aspect in my opinion.

@luizfe

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The video used my arguments with more research (but without considering that db power leves are actually a Geometric Progression). And the character gain strength if it is convenient, Goku gained a lot of power in 1 day, but even training to face androids he didn't ''earned'' so much power. When they had to face Cell Goku and Gohan gained more power in 11 months in hyperbolic chamber than Vegeta and Trunks 23 months. Is not about training, is about who is meant to be stronger in that arc. Human in fact would never be stronger cause saiyans would increase more in the same time. The Kaioken thing was forgotten because it was weaker than SSJ. Even Goku stopped using it. If Piccolo learnt Kaioken he would take down androids after fusing with Kami, but it's simply not meant to be. But it is a good video. Some arguments i probably don't know how to say something against.

@ninjajin8788

Жыл бұрын

Nah named frieza still claps krill in ez his attack how he destroyed saiyans planet is waaay stronger than anything krillin has lmao

@seankock7649

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjajin8788 be able to match goku blue

Wolf fang fist is one of the coolest moves in dragon ball history. And it’s a shame that we didn’t see it in the z series

@alterego9618

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@GenJuhru

Жыл бұрын

Well FighterZ showed players how badass this move is

@t-god2439

Жыл бұрын

@@GenJuhru would of been nice to see a super charged version of this movie. 🤷🏻‍♀️ when I look at other manga is a crying shame how far the other characters got dropped. If you look at something like yu yu haka at the end all the characters are about relative in strength to each other

@blakeavila4409

Жыл бұрын

Budkai on the ps2 made it suck

@danadin

Жыл бұрын

I think a better upgrade would be to do something similar to hinata for the wolf fang fist, like charge it so it wasn't so much as a physical attack but both a physical and ki attack to deal extra damage or perhaps increase its effective range.

The original Dragon Ball showed consistently that human characters gain more power faster using the same training techniques Goku used. The difference is that Goku had moved on to the next training method by the time they got around to it. Training with Master Roshi -> Training with Korin -> Training with Kami -> Training with King Kai -> Training with artificial gravity. At each stage, they get close to his current level despite using his now-abandoned training methods. It's remarkable how much potential human characters had until transformations enter into the picture.

@SionReaver

Жыл бұрын

Yet for some reason people keep saying they have no potential. I just don't get it

@jesseowenvillamor6348

Жыл бұрын

@@SionReaver Those are just the toxic fans with kiddy mindsets

@bovinejoni4243

Жыл бұрын

I think about this a lot. There’s even a scene of Tenshinhan on King Kai’s planet in the manga where he’s thinking to himself that he will never catch up to Goku if he’s always one step behind his training, and he realizes that if he wants to compete he’s going to have to combine King Kai’s techniques with his own to improve them. Even that late in the series he was still being written as if he believed he could remain a rival to Goku, and specifically that superior techniques would be his ace in the hole. It’s almost as if seeing Super Saiyan broke his ambition because, for the first time, Goku opened up a seemingly insurmountable power gap with a method that was impossible for him to replicate. From that point on he remained committed to training and being HIS best, but he had to accept that his former ambition to be THE best was just no longer realistic.

@bovinejoni4243

Жыл бұрын

This is also why it sort of irks me how much stronger Goku and Vegeta have become even in their base forms. It’s one thing for them to have transformations that leave everyone else in the dust, but having their base forms so far above everyone is just like pouring salt in the wound.

@jesseowenvillamor6348

Жыл бұрын

@@bovinejoni4243 Exactly. And I blame it on Toriyama and the other writers involved

Honestly with how crazy human techniques can get, if they trained there would be no show at all. Frieza nearly got done by Krilin with the kienzan which he narrowly avoided for example, then there's absolutely everyone using the solar flare because it's just that good of a thing, the mafuba also used to trap opponents, etc. Humans in dragon ball are underrated AF.

@pokegon100

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point. The biggest failure on DBZ's part was relying too much on power & transformations, rather than techniques. The humans have some really impressive special moves, but they just lack the power for it to matter most of the time.

@lynnusuk2092

Жыл бұрын

Yeah original dB tapped into this a lot, they should revisit a lot of the ideas there. Liketien can stop ko in its track with kiai, chiaotzu‘s esp is a power entirely different from ki, and hidden magic users can be more dangerous than just power lvl, like baba who can bring back dead warriors for 1 one day, the Rabbit gangster that can turn people into carrots, etc

@aceflare2431

Жыл бұрын

Another example is Roshi's lightning surprise. It let him immobilize Oozaru Goku, who was vastly stronger than the old man back then. Who's to say that the humans couldn't learn it as a stalling or set-up move. Throw in the power boost from this efficient training, and they might be able to at least stun the likes of DBS Frieza, thought maybe not the golden form.

@Andre80.5

Жыл бұрын

without mentioning that Tien & Chaozu were the first ones capable to use the Bukujutsu technique ( flying )

@gelatogremlin

Жыл бұрын

@@lynnusuk2092 i mean they did kinda have moro who could use magic

Also note that for most of their histories, Saiyans couldnt transform either. Its entirely possible that there is some hidden super human form that has been lost to martial arts history.

@Imjustbored2023

7 ай бұрын

They could make Roshi buff form one and just say Master Roshi never taught them because he can only use it for a few minutes. Let the new humans master the form.

@_YashSawant

5 ай бұрын

I think that's from where Gohan's Ultimate Beast Form comes from its definitely not a Super Saiyan Form as it doesn't change Hair Colour, its definitely a Super Human Form, Humans can't use it due to their Potential being Locked and Gohan can use it due to him also being Half Saiyan, and Saiyans are known for reaching their Potential easily, Human Emotions is also something makes Super Saiyan Forms or just any other transformation Stronger because Potential of Emotional Intelligence of Humans has outmatched Saiyans Battle Lusted Nature

About the potential unlock and mystic form, it's worth noticing that Guru can't unlock ALL of the user's potential, because Gohan also received it, but still got mystic form and a massive boost from it.

@Ser-Vex131

Жыл бұрын

What if the potential also accounts for training loss, you never gain at 100% regardless of how hard you train, what if the PU from GURU was his current potential, with training that innate potential may have been boosted along with his actual power until it was unlocked later by the Kai.

@johnlequebecois

Жыл бұрын

Guru unlock Gohan potential when Gohan was still a kid. He unlock what Gohan potential was at that age. Old Kai unlocked the potential for a fully grown adult with his body being at its prime

@Ser-Vex131

Жыл бұрын

@@johnlequebecois Yeh that works too. Probably a better one than mine.

@lilchristuten7568

Жыл бұрын

​​@@johnlequebecois That actually isn't the issue. Gohan as an adult had the ability to transform into ssj2. The mystic form is unlocking his potential including the transformations. When Gohan was questioning old Kai about using his unlocked power he told him to use the same manner in which he transformed to do it.

@tickledeggz

Жыл бұрын

It's almost like Toriyama was writing a manga week by week and often forgets his own continuity.

The only reason that the humans didn’t get Kaio Ken is because the writers wanted to focus more on the sayians and their shiny new forms.

@Mr.Needle-Hamster

Жыл бұрын

They do sell more merchandise

@justarandomcursedlego5972

Жыл бұрын

King kai refused to teach it to them after Goku abused it

@jayclearmen411

Жыл бұрын

@@justarandomcursedlego5972 well that makes sense.. considering the earthlings aren’t anyway near as durable or genetically blessed in potential as the saiyans..there was no way

@riza4086

Жыл бұрын

​​@@jayclearmen411 i would not say Sayians are particularly blessed. Goku without his Sayian transformation seemed to be lagging behind in getting stronger in his base form compared to his Human friends. Though if he fights and does not die his Zenkai boost keeps him at an edge. Goku was very very lucky in Dragon Ball. None of the Red Ribbon Army Generals killed him when they could have.

@knightstudio9985

Жыл бұрын

King kai should at least teach piccolo the kaioken might had better chance against frieza in namek saga

I like to think that Mystic form would be especially helpful for Tien. Back in Dragonball Master Roshi said that Tien was the most talanted fighter that he has seen, and that was after training Goku. And it was also said that Training under Shen sealed away some of the mystic powers of Tien's Triclops heritage. Hopefully the mystic form would unlock those abilities.

@jayclearmen411

Жыл бұрын

Yes!! i’d love to see this done eventually!

@vergilmontiero2558

Жыл бұрын

Hmm that's a good point

@EWOODJ

Жыл бұрын

Where was the latter stated?

@Fenris3000

Жыл бұрын

unlocks mystick jamtcha activates it and kick in kaiocen x20 wiht little strain and keeps up wiht the saians Yamtcha:huh neet im releveant now tien gets mystick holds up on it and meditates on this new unlock a while latter is face to face wiht kid buu .activates mystick forms transforms into the manyhanded budda and activcates kaiocen x30 wihute strain Tien:look upon the face of the mighty buda and kneel (then proseeds to vaporise kid buu wiht the ultimet tri beam)

@ssppeeaarr

Жыл бұрын

never knew that before about tien. he deserved to keep up and be at least krillin level. smh. got done soo dirty in the piccolo n gohan pre TOP fight. lol. damn that still hurts to watch everytime... poor tien. its sad toriyama never cared to buff the humans as dbz went on. u figured tien and yamcha would at least learn kaioken or something while at kais planet. even tho their bodies couldnt go past the base kaioken power. they could slowly overcome that and make their bodies stronger thru years of training tho i think. such wasted potential indeed. 😟😔

i feel like the greatest wasted opportunity is definitely tien he has one of the most powerful techniques that he regularly uses, his tri-beam is able to stop semi-perfect cell despite the MASSIVE difference in power, for him to delay him as much as he did where others were barely able to fight semi-perfect cell, i feel like if he continued training and honing his skills, by the time the universe tournament came around tien would have been a far stronger competitor

@Gabu_

Жыл бұрын

That's one of the reasons why Super has trash writing. In the Buu saga, Tenshinhan could hurt Buu (albeit only slightly) with his Kikoho, then in DBS Roshi is somehow stronger.

@vorpalthefox

Жыл бұрын

@@Gabu_ they did my man tien dirty in super i STILL think the tri-beam is the strongest ability in terms of its ratio of user's power level to what it can impact tien during the cell saga is estimated to have ~1,000,000 power level (depends on the source) while similar sources rank semi-perfect cell at ~720,000,000 tien was suppressing (and somewhat damaging) semi-perfect cell with his neo tri-beam at a 720:1 power level difference during the buu saga, super buu was entirely immune to the tri-beam effect, but has a power level of ~24,000,000,000 and way above tien's power level

@MrBigBranch

Жыл бұрын

He literally never stopped training, he should be the strongest earthling by far. I guess the writers just don't like him.

@binzarsimorangkir8432

10 ай бұрын

Tien should be always close to piccolo in terms of power and piccolo should be equal to vegeta or gohan.

@MrBigBranch

10 ай бұрын

@@binzarsimorangkir8432 facts

There's a fan manga called "a new hope", which it's a "What if Cell won and killed everyone". And it's actually really good, the artist took a lot of effort in making the drawings very similar to the original manga. But the point is, in this Manga Crilin gets a lot of screentime and it shows how strong he could have been.

@Hotrodd48

Жыл бұрын

I love that fan manga, making krillin an actual goated z warrior

Can't wait until Tien unlocks the powers hidden behind his third eye. Krillin will then unlock the Buddha's Palm. If it comes down to it, Yamcha might just use 0.00001% of his power

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

These ideas would actually be an interesting way to give the earthlings power ups. Just a little brainstorming and the earthlings could’ve had something to keep up.

@diondadigger

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami The ideas for Krillin and Tien were kinda serious cause I feel like Krillin and Tien fr coulda had more. They just gave Krillin Solar Flare x100 and called it a day. A shame in my opinion. I seriously just didn't know what to do with Yamcha. Some type of Super Spirit Ball? Like Spirit Bomb but he can make it fly around and control it like a spirit ball? Idk...

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

I mean I guess something about a wolf power up idk. Yeah I agree Yamcha is a weird one

@zaneweiss

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami Maybe something like it looks like he's charging a blast but then crushes it and makes a blade glove of ki. Or it being similar to the dragon fist but instead of being a punch it's a multi hitting brutal slashing attack. A super wolf fang fist or Slashing wolf fang fist.

@weathersama604

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami i once had an idea for Yamcha to defeat stronger opponents. Perform spirit ball, then compress it until it's a size of rice grain. Then navigate it inside enemy throu mouth and detonate. Yamcha could have such great ki control due to spirit ball itself

"If they actually tried" Tenshinhan is crying at the corner because he is the only one that keeps training. Man the writers hate that guy Also Chaozu erasure. Dude trains just as much as Tenshinhan

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Poor Tien. One of these days he’ll be useful. Maybe.

@letmecommentstupidyoutube1338

Жыл бұрын

Dude had his gf erased from existence and his character arc of being a villain was dropped.

@dadtaro9202

Жыл бұрын

toriyama hates him cause he’s chinese i think

@theultimate577

Жыл бұрын

Tien should 100% be way stronger than the rest of the humans, not only does he train harder and more, but he is also part tri-clops which should give him an extra boost and more abilities (which got tossed aside after dragon ball unfortunately)

2:26 I cried the music brought back so much nostalgia holy shit

I’d argue that krillin having a family just gives a bigger reason to get stronger. If someone pulls up he’d need to fight for them. He’s one of my top favorite characters and it sucks that they just let him waste away and get slumped by literally anyone on a power trip☠️🗿

@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867

Жыл бұрын

Krillin is also stated by Toriyama to be the strongest Earthling, and that is with his only training across the 7 years probably being some sparing matches with 18. Tien had been training the entire time (even if ineffectively). If anything Krillin should at least have a substantially higher base than the others.

@DaNinja-gu4gc

Жыл бұрын

hes a fucking midget earthling bruh let him chill w 18 nowadays lucky ahh cos i bred 18 no cap

@Fulldre

Жыл бұрын

@@sadscientisthououinkyouma1867 i would have loved if krillin and 18 were just constantly sparring as a way of flirting with each other.

@David-hi8og

4 ай бұрын

@@Fulldrewhat type of sparring we talkin?

Yeah it is really sad that the earthlings are ingnored especially Tenshin-Han

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it really does. I understand it was easier to focus on one race, but there was so much that could’ve been done with the earthlings. Here’s to hoping that they become more relevant in the future.

@KazamaRaikan

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami like Roshi, we saw how much of his potential he could tap into, this was seen in the tournament of power

@tristanbain3934

Жыл бұрын

@Haku Yuki couldnt agree with you more

@alehlete830

Жыл бұрын

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@alehlete830

Жыл бұрын

Tien

There's also another way for them to become more useful, Yardrat. Goku could use Instant Transmission to bring them there so they could learn things like Instant Transmission or Forced Spirit Fission. Since the Saiyan Trio are the powerhouses with very basic moves usually coming down to just Ki Blast or Physical Fighting skill it would be fitting if The Human Trio became more Tactical, learning things that help them win in other ways besides just overpowering their opponents. If the Saiyan Trio fights Harder then the Human Trio fights Smarter.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

So I plan on making a video about the same concept, but going into Dragon Ball super and I think your idea is absolutely brilliant and I’ll try to implement it in.

@allforone3427

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami Thanks man. Your ideas are pretty solid too. I like how you had them use the gravity room I honestly never thought of that. Good luck with the video

@mitchhaelann9215

Жыл бұрын

Look at how well Roshi does in the Tournament of Power in Super. He knows all sorts of techniques and can defend against things nobody else ever imagined.

@r.connor9280

Жыл бұрын

Technique reversal and Beam deflection still exist Energy Beam judo could make an appearance

@mitchhaelann9215

Жыл бұрын

@@r.connor9280 In Super, Hit proved that refining one's technique can be just as effective as transformations and raw power multipliers.

10:55 that fan art is crazy

The humans always showed more discipline than their stronger opponents I feel like they should have gotten much more powerful as ki techniques reached them. The practiced humans already had incredible ki control, and learning how to harness and improve their ki through the kais and other cosmic allies

I feel like they could have kept up with the Saiyans if the writers didn't hate earthlings so much. A common trend in early DB and early Z was that Goku gets ahead of everyone , when he uses a new method of training, but then when Earthlings use the same training method that Goku used last time, they become stronger than he was.

@neloangelo365

Жыл бұрын

That’s true, i remember when king kai was training tien, yamcha, chiaotzu and I think piccolo and he mentioned that they were stronger or faster than goku was when he did it which is strange though out of the humans tien I think had the most potential, since he was throwing hands with cell 2nd form and even super buu at some point

@alice0795

Жыл бұрын

@@neloangelo365 i think its more becus when they died they were already stronger than goku when he died (after Raditz Goku had like 400/900bp and they had after saiyans like 1200 or so bp)

@firdanharbima6997

Жыл бұрын

zenkai boost people, remember that

@Jackxxx12xxx

Жыл бұрын

@@firdanharbima6997 Zenkai's stopped after Frieza saga, or became so little that they were insignificant. Also Goku had his ass handed to him plenty of times in original DB and others could still keep up with him for the most part. If Zenkai's remained consistent like they were in Namek arc Vegeta would be pretty much unstoppable at this point, with how often he gets his ass handed to him by every single villain.

@firdanharbima6997

Жыл бұрын

@@Jackxxx12xxx do.... you remember cell? he did........ and ultra ego too, pretty much a glorified version of it bruh

Being turned into androids would also be a huge boost. Gero and the twins had no training and yet were around and above a normal super saiyan. So imagine someone who did train and have Kaioken were made into androids. Also androids don't seem to tire out so they have more time to train.

@thomasbullins2008

Жыл бұрын

18 & 17 have generators that give them infinite power -- other than that ; they're human --

@mrpoopybuttface

Жыл бұрын

ok and what if the sayians were turned into androids ever thought about that

@benjamincuevas9627

Жыл бұрын

@@mrpoopybuttface that would be a big boost but I doubt Goku and Vegeta would do it. They probably view it as cheating or a shortcut now their kids might be more open to the idea of becoming androids.

@origin5866

Жыл бұрын

they wouldnt want that though

@taecampus

Жыл бұрын

Haha reminds me of dragon ball new hope. Krillin does become an android (cyborg) and is able to rival a stronger Super Perfect Cell.

That's one of the things I really appreciate about fan mangas and animations. They often spend more time showing love to the characters that got left behind. This was a great video!

I feel like it would have been really cool if Tien learned Kioken and Yamcha learned the spirit ball as it fits their fighting styles quite well. Tien is known for sacrificing his body for power and putting his all into a fight as well as playing tactically enough to get the most out of a boost like this. Yamcha on the other hand likely isn't as likely to rush in guns blazing, sitting on the sidelines fearful about getting blown up again. Using this tone he'd actually be great for setting up spirit bomb and could combine it with his spirit ball in order to have greater control over his massive attack, not nearly as easily able to move it of course, but it would still be a unique usage of a skill we've already seen.

@leetaiming64

Жыл бұрын

Nice thought! I read all of it 👍🏻

@ayayronm

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if Yamcha is able to create a smaller spirit bomb, but is more mobile than the regular big blue orb. So he can control it like Spirit ball, probably not do the same kind of damage but being able to manipulate it araound makes it a very threatening weapon against evil foes. I agree with Tien having Kaio Ken he would be the type of guy to recklessly push his limits. Krillin I feel should have unlocked Mystic like Gohan. I feel that the ultimate god like form for any human to achieve is Supreme Kai or at that level

I feel like Tein should definitely be the strongest of the Earthlings as he is consistent with his training and he should've been used a lot more due to his unique skill set and techniques.

@jayclearmen411

Жыл бұрын

that an him being half tricyclops!

@GuyVick

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@ia285

Жыл бұрын

​@@jayclearmen411 I think the 3rd eye is just the eye of enlightenment rather than Tien being an alien.

@DSan-kl2yc

Жыл бұрын

Yah he was always stronger before.

@yaboityler2617

Жыл бұрын

Tien put a beatdown on Cell but everyone seems to forget that chapter

One of my biggest issues with the ToP was the fact that none of the fighters got trained by the angels to prepare for the battle ahead.

@sebagomez4647

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think they had enough time to get into the time chamber for at least a few months wich would put them at an even higher level than they were

@Sephiroso.

Жыл бұрын

They weren't trained by any of the angels because it would have been a waste of time. Ya'll are delusional as fuck lol

@bovinejoni4243

Жыл бұрын

Also you’re introducing dozens of fighters from other universes with all sorts of crazy abilities, but the human z-fighters couldn’t showcase any new techniques of their own? It was the perfect setup to have them contribute with interesting new techniques rather than raw power, but no, they just tried their usual stuff and got KOd almost immediately.

@1slayer959

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. When you consider that. Universe 7 had an unfair advantage with 2 angel trained characters. One of wich was itching for the tourney way longer then anyone else. The rest of the universes had like a 5 minute notice to gather their team in preparation of death.

@Bruh_but_why

Жыл бұрын

​@@1slayer959That Universe 7 privilege goes hard

Cool video, well thought out and interesting.

Valid points across the board. Nice video man.

There’s one big missed opportunity that actually had some seeds planted in the series, and that’s Tenshinhan continuing to be innovative with his techniques. When he’s on King Kai’s planet, there’s a moment where he acknowledges that he’ll never catch up to Goku if he’s always one step behind his training, and he specifically realizes that he will have to be creative with the techniques he learns from King Kai if he wants to compete. Here’s the direct quote from the manga: “I cannot hope to surpass Goku at the same training regiment, but if I master the essentials of the technique and add a few twists of my own, I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat.” That right there plants the seeds for what I think was probably the biggest missed opportunity. Tenshinhan in Dragonball was like a Swiss Army knife of crazy techniques, and that could’ve continued throughout DBZ to both make him more relevant *and* keep some of that Dragonball spirit alive. There are some glaringly obvious ways he could’ve followed through with his stated intention to master King Kai’s techniques and adapt them for himself. He has one signature technique in particular that almost perfectly synergizes with Kaio-Ken, and that’s the multi-form technique. Think about it like Tenshinhan is a balloon and his ki is the air inside the balloon. Kaio-Ken is like blowing more air into the balloon. The problem is that the balloon is being over-inflated beyond its natural limits, so doing it too many times or pushing it too far could pop the balloon. On the slip side, multi-form creates identical copies of the balloon, but it can’t increase the amount of air from the original balloon, so what you end up with are significantly deflated balloons. So what happens if you combine these two techniques? In theory, multi-form creates the deflated balloons and Kaio-Ken inflates them up to full size. Doing this, Tenshinhan could produce any number of full-powered clones, and the usual drawbacks of Kaio-Ken wouldn’t be an issue because it wouldn’t be pushing the bodies past their normal limits. The strength of each technique eliminates the weakness of the other. Now tell me a whole army of Tenshinhans wouldn’t have been useful. And that’s not even getting into all the possibilities of someone like Tenshinhan mastering “the essentials” of the Genki Dama and then coming up with ways to use that technique other than simply gathering energy into a ball for one massive explosion. When you get down to it, the essential element of the technique is the ability to draw on external energy rather than relying exclusively on your own internal ki. Making a spirit bomb is just the most blunt, simplistic application of that ability. Someone who mastered the technique and got more creative with it could essentially do much of what Moro did with his magic. You could even bring Chiaotzu into the mix. He could’ve been the one to master the Genki Dama technique and put it to use as a support class character, gathering the energy and feeding it to Tenshinhan to use so he doesn’t have to stand there with his arms over his head during a battle. With his psychic powers, maybe he could’ve learned to forcibly drain energy from opponents rather than needing to ask nicely. This would actually be a fitting ability for him considering his character design is based on an energy-draining Chinese vampire. The more you think about it, the more possibilities you unlock. It’s just such a bummer that Toriyama teased us with that one thought bubble from Tenshinhan and then never followed up on it in the slightest. The biggest missed opportunity for sure.

@thestarryeyedobserver

Жыл бұрын

underrated comment.

@RavagersPrey

Жыл бұрын

What a missed opportunity.

@MrVoyeurific

Жыл бұрын

At least he slowed down cell

@virgilhawkins7368

Жыл бұрын

Bro, this was such a good read and an excellent thought. I'm pretty sure you put thought in this comment than Toriyama did in the entire Dragon Ball series.

@William-the-Guy

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I always was having imaginary fights in my imagination as a kid. Coming up with clever ways Tien could still win fights or at least compete, matching his creativity against stronger opponents. He just seemed like the type of character who would do that.

I think it’s yamcha…he got done dirty…too dirty He actually was a pretty good fighter and had potential. His cocky attitude usually got him in trouble and defeated and he gets mocked and laughed at then you literally have vegeta who goes through pretty much the same thing and he has all the fans respect in the world. Vegeta pretty much gets yamcha’ed through out the serious only putting up slightly more of a fight only to get wrecked. So the treatment of yamcha was kinda just unfair lol

@christopherfleetwood5252

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but he’s human and humans are trash, even irl. 😅

@slinkyslink5161

Жыл бұрын

For real Vegeta literally goes through more humiliation than Yamcha. Most of his life he was a bitch to frieza then when he was free of him he got overconfident and got his ass kicked consistently until he finally grew up. Worst thing that happened to yamcha was getting cucked.

@michaelsciarrillo6153

Жыл бұрын

​@@Blurred__dots you're the example he's texting about

@Honest_Mids_Masher

Жыл бұрын

Tien got done dastardly

@Extrasailor

Жыл бұрын

Yamcha lost it vs Tien and since then he is over...

Love this video bro!

Great video!

This is how see the Human Trio advancing Kaioken: This becomes their signature technique like SSJ for the Saiyans. Spirit Bomb: When they are in a Pinch they'd pull their power together and use the Spirit Bomb, this could help them actually do damage to serious threats without having them just wait around for everyone on Earth to contribute Yardrat: They'd have Instant Transmission and maybe Force Spirit Fission. They'd become more Tactical Fighters. Saiyans Fight Harder, They fight Smarter. Specific Abilities: Krillin would learn how to make Constructs like his Destructo Disk so Blades, Hammers, Shields and other things to help in Combat. Tein would Master the Multi form Technique and use Kaioken to stop it from splitting his Power. His signature would be to make 2 Clones and have them use the Tri Beam with him. Yamcha would learn something similar to Krillin's Construct Ability and form an actual Wolf with his Ki, it would be used to take attacks for him and also attack on his behalf. They would all improve with the Solar Flare and combine with the Spirit Bomb to make an actual Sun out of Ki which they'd use offensively. This is just my vision on what they could've done but there are definitely better ideas out there on how things could've went down.

@neosonic199

Жыл бұрын

It felt that they got cheated out of those opportunities. Those ideas would serve them well against stronger enemies.

@allforone3427

Жыл бұрын

@@neosonic199 If only my friend. If only

@kvnhernandez8

Жыл бұрын

Oooh. Maybe yamchas spirit ball can become ki bombs. Like having three in each hand or circling around him

I'm going to say Chiaotzu is the most wasted. Him and Tien but mostly Chiaotzu. He is the only character who could have a large magical/psychic arsenal but Toriyama didn't pursue that, deciding to just make everyone fight identically with punches and ki-blasts.

@commenteroftruth9790

Жыл бұрын

I for one am in favor of the current form of dragon ball lol. im all in for the power ups.

@cranehermit

Жыл бұрын

@@commenteroftruth9790 We could have had both

@AnimatorBlake

Жыл бұрын

Ki is used for most magical techniques, so really anybody could have a large whacky arsenal.

@johnlequebecois

Жыл бұрын

@@AnimatorBlake Not really. Most magic are mostly godlike level or telekinetic stuff. Moro never used ki for his magic, neither Dendé or even Chiaotzu. magic and ki are 2 separate thing as ki is life energy and magic is simply magic. Most magic user in DB are natural and never trained to use it while anythingki related need training

@anon123214

Жыл бұрын

Martial arts not being a factor in DBZ was a huge let-down too. Even Buu should have been outclassed against anyone knowing a speck of martial arts that was tangentially near his power level. Not sure if Vegeta knew any martial arts by then but those fights would have been looking a little different other than Cell's, which may be argued that he knows all of their moves genetic...ally?

With Yamcha, he should’ve learned the spirit bomb. With his already solid control of ki, he could’ve made that technique scary as it was supposed to be

Great Video

It would be dope if master roshi took the humans to the fountain of youth. Also you would think they would be able to learn a version of kaioken since humans can use ki control better considering raditz and Vegeta was surprised by their ability to suppress their ki, sense it, as well as use techniques like the destructo disc.

@leopold43

Жыл бұрын

Well the saiyans are still naturally better at ki control. Think back to when Gohan was teaching videl and goten how to fly. I think in vegeta and raditz case, they were simply ignorant to the ability since they've relied on scouters since the conquering of the tuffles..and to add in DB Goku learns the Kamehameha by just watching master roshi do it once. Took roshi years to learn

@poisonimp3336

Жыл бұрын

Wait fountain of youth I thought Roshi was 900 years old cause he drank the immortal elixir the Phoenix that died of food poisoning had

@komlat253

Жыл бұрын

Well Gohan has the biggest potential in the series and is stated because of his human nature. Ki is tied to emotions and not jus rage this is why goku and Gohan are the strongest, goku is human like and Gohan is actually human ..also the human have the better techniques in general which is shown by mater roshi martial art which brings him closer to UI then anything in the mortal world and the original komaha blast which is planet busting.. literally yumcha krillian and tian would stop and invasion of king vegeta by themselves post cell arc if goku was never a thing ..what about distructo dick which was able to damage some over 100 times his powerlevel? Or spirit ball or tri bean which literally had form 2 cell stuck in place ? Bro the humans have the shit to be broken .they have techniques that can damage people multiple times thier level which is usually not a think in dragon ball

@leopold43

Жыл бұрын

@@RigzGrid I think I see what your saying. Saiyans can tap into their ki abilities without much effort while humans can do a better job at controlling that energy once mastered. Makes sense from what we've seen. I just don't think the difference is that great though. At least in adulthood. Once goku goes ssj, from when he meets future trunks with the finger lol, and him and Gohan maintaining ssj levels for a week before cell, or his fight with yakon, he displays great ki control. He even learned the destructo disc. But that makes sense. I would rank namekians 1st, humans, and then saiyans on who's naturally better with control.

@leopold43

Жыл бұрын

@@RigzGrid don't even get me started lol. That's why I don't mess with super. To this day I feel like the story should've ended with cell. Everyone had their time to shine back then. Buu saga did have some decent moments though but not great overall.

Good vid bro. Yea, you covered all the key points. The thing that makes it hard to call is the earthlings turned down a lot of things not because they couldn't do it but because they felt they weren't on the same level of whatever threat was there at the time. Goku invites Krillin and Yamcha to train but they turn it down because they think they can't keep up with him. Tien turns down the Chamber because he felt the gap between him and Cell was too high. But since Most of them trained on King Kai's planet which had 10 times the gravity it stands to reason they could handle the gravity room or the chamber if they actually tried. I think if all three trained in a gravity room together there would be a big increase for sure. I guess it could have happened in theory after Freeza arc but before the Androids.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and Yeah they didn’t have the mindset to keep up. I don’t blame them though, the villains were showing up ridiculously stronger then the last one and they had friends who could just “go blonde” and gain a crazy increase of power. But they shouldn’t have given up when that hit that wall.

@gigatesla

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami I think there's a missed opportunity for some really good storytelling and character development, too. Like, the humans are clearly the underdogs, and perseverance in the face of impossible odds and coming through for your friends is one of the pillars at the heart of Dragon Ball. What better way to explore that theme than by having the humans refuse to give up and still find ways to meaningfully contribute?

@frankbarrie6785

Жыл бұрын

Lol technically yamcha tries after Frieza saga cuz he gets jealous of Vegeta lol. And actually doesn't do too bad considering it's 300x grav.. he could've def worked his way up to it

@GodoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

@@frankbarrie6785 sadly that's not in the manga. But yeah, if it did happen he could have easily start from x10 times and then go slowly up. It would be so much better result, and clearly they could do it.

I’d be so down for an earthlings only film or mini series, give them some character development and a threat that they have to manage without the Sayians. I think if done right, it’d be an instant classic

Great content

Toriyama literally had every opportunity in the book to improve some of his characters. But instead chose to focus on the Saiyans every time, and that’s why Tien and Yamcha are in the state they are now.

@Norinia

Жыл бұрын

And now he gets mad people like the Saiyans instead of the characters he gave no attention to throughout the entire series of DBZ and DBS.

@gespenst0083

Жыл бұрын

@@NoriniaThat’s why DBS has bs in it.

@itzYonko

Жыл бұрын

@Norinia Lmao he does not get mad. He doesn't even work on dragonball anymore, stfu.

@itzYonko

Жыл бұрын

@@Norinia .

@mjm3091

Жыл бұрын

It's a normal thing to do - to move to new themes and keep yourself to your protagonists. And there is nothing that stops him to explore those themes in the future. Especially Super has been very fresh and breaking from the power-up loop that DBZ had. Main characters reached physical mastery, so now are going into more mental and skill growth. Vegeta especially has been using so many new specialistic techniques and he is pretty much God of Destruction in training at this point. And Super Heroes and Tournament of Power showed he can bring more to the old cast. There is nothing that says they couldn't make Krillin character arc after this, as Super Heroes challenged him on new levels. Or we may get another adventure arc reflecting GT (as he has reused a lot of his ideas that was given into creation of GT).

Honestly, I would’ve loved to see Yamcha and Tien continue to get stronger. After the Frieza Arc, I feel like most of the earthlings just stopped.

@hadesKIU

Жыл бұрын

What, you mean Yamcha literally never fighting again and the only cool thing Tien doing is "holding back the worst form of a bug man only for him to transform anyway" isn't good enough for you?

@dariusthatsit

Жыл бұрын

​@@hadesKIU actually quite a generosity we got from the writes we can surely see how much they favorite the humans over the saiyans

@MustacheDLuffy

Жыл бұрын

@@hadesKIU semi-perfect Cell

@Bruh_but_why

Жыл бұрын

​@hadesKIU To be fair that "worst form" bug man was pretty strong, and tien was about 500x weaker than him. Pretty nice accomplishment imo

@hadesKIU

Жыл бұрын

@@Bruh_but_why Out of context, it was super badass. In context, it becomes a ton worse He not only failed in the end, but if he had arrived sooner, he would've killed Imperfect Cell. I SWEAR by that. SIXTEEN almost killed Imperfect Cell. What happened when Imp Cell transformed? 16 couldn't even make him budge. Meanwhile, Tien roasted him for FOUR HOURS. If he did THAT to SP Cell, then Imp Cell would have no chance. Also the "worst form of a bug man" is a Plague of Gripes reference.

Awesome artwork👍

Hell of a video!

It's insane because the Earthlings just get thrown aside and was just completely hindered of their skills after the Freiza saga, so much of so that they just became ''Low Power'' Assistants for Goku's battles. Android 17 got a little respect towards the end of the Goku Vs Jiren battle, but the humans, still very, very little.

IM so glad he touch on mystic with Kaioken. Mystic, or potential unleashed, is basically bringing everything you got and just unleash it all, but Kaioken is a type of meditation stance that lets you multiply your power as a whole. I always pair up Kaioken with PU and I wished the creators used this sooner.

Bro this was a great video!! Love the concept. Maybe humans can have an impact in the future.

Thanks for bringing back those ideas for side characters.

I think another missed opportunity was using the Ultra Divine Water like Goku did. Although the human fighters did say they trained with Korin for the years, they didn't state using the water to Goku so it's likely they got stronger than King Piccolo without it, but if they had used it then who knows how much stronger they would've been. And if we're going into Super, there's also not training on Yardrat like Goku and Vegeta did, I think someone like Tien, Krillin or Yamcha would've really benefit from learning spirit control. There's also the fusion methods but that's not really necessary to use.

@aaronking2020

Жыл бұрын

It's just poison, at a certain point it won't have an effect (as seen by good buu eating several chocolates each with enough cyanide to kill and elephant)

@antihero627

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronking2020 At the point in time where they trained with Korin ( 3 years before they met Piccolo Jr.) it probably would've had some effect on them and how they're not supernatural alien creatures it probably would've been deadlier to them but worth it as their potential would've been awakened.

@TheTendouSouji87

Жыл бұрын

Well yeah this dude focused on a bunch of points that made no sense the biggest being the Kaio Ken, dude acts like humans would master it as easy as it is to walk, it’s nothing like that, the strain it puts on the body is too much for anyone, look what happened every time Goku used it, especially once he used it with SSJB, most of his point was humans eventually being able to go up to times 20 when realistically that would probably rip the body apart, last time Goku used it it messed up his ability to use Ki. The point I’m trying to make is you can’t use an ability that is a last resort to say anyone could be stronger using it, imagine if everyone went around using Final Explosion all the time. Lol

@abbadon9693

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTendouSouji87 Well to be fair Goku managed to get from Kaio Ken x3 to Kaio Ken x20 in a couple of weeks. Also one of the reasons why it messed Goku up so much when he used it in Super Saiyen is because the transformations are diametrically opposed. On the other hand, Mystic and Kaio Ken aren't opposed. Also, the human Z fighters can still blow up planets so it's fairly clear that they're not restricted by "realistically a human would die" although I supposed I might be misunderstanding that specific statement. And the thing is, Goku managed to get up to Kaio Ken x20 in the Namek Saga, and even Yamcha by the Android Saga was assumed by Dr. Gero to be Goku and we know he knows how strong Goku was before he left for Namek. Given the additional training, it isn't far-fetched to say that they could have Kaio Ken up to x20 even by the Cell Saga since they would have had a couple hundred times longer to get it than Goku.

One thing to mention, I believe that their potential unleashed may be a fair amount larger, just due to two reasons, one characters in the show grow in their potential, Gohan for example went from buu saga level, to blue Kaioken level in his potential unleashed form, showing a growth in potential, and meaning if Krillin had his potential unlocked during the buu saga, the power he would obtain would likely be larger. Second, guru does state that he could only tap into a chuck of potential not all of it, meaning there was still room to grow in terms of potential. Anyway, great video!

Great break down

👏 👏 👏 👏 love the logic bro

I've been reading so much cultivation manhua that I literally see everything about DBZ as a cultivation story. I mean think about it, a martial arts world filled with characters able to use chi, Roshi living for hundreds of years because he's a martial arts master, it honestly made no sense to me how humans didn't decide to take advantage of the mechanics of the world. Like how is ki stored, is there a way to increase Ki storage? What if there's a dantian? My bad I've become addicted.

@Sephiroso.

Жыл бұрын

Roshi did not live for hundreds of years. Where the fuck did you get that idea from?

@SionReaver

Жыл бұрын

What is a kantian? And I agree. Humans best assist are techniques but they don't take advantage of it.

They could also use the dragon balls for a poeer boost. And learned new techniques like instant transmission and many other offensive and defensive powers. Lacking pure raw power, can be made up with an arsenal of many many techniques to pull up their sleeves

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

While I’m not really fond of the idea of using the dragon balls. I will say it did cross my mind a couple time. But I’m making another video going into super. Where they’ll focus more on certain techniques, because trying to keep up with SSG and SSB is damn near impossible. Even if the humans used God-ki

@warisa.3681

Жыл бұрын

Love the last sentence, Krillin is the perfect example

@TurbhoeHDRemix

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami I think they could possibly keep with God's if they actually trained with Whis and Beerus. Being a Saiyan doesn't give any inherent advantage to manipulating God ki. Vegeta was just a Super Saiyan 2 at the most and most of the training he did to get God Ki had to be done in base form first. As stated in this video, if they could rival the base forms of the Saiyans, they could reasonably learn to use God Ki as Vegeta did just by training alone. You could even make the argument they could learn Ultra Instinct a little easier since they were never reliant on transformations anyway and were always pure martial artists.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

I most definitely agree and I’m already saying that at most they’ll be relative to super saiyan 3 (god-ki) Goku in Dbs maybe a little stronger with the use of kaiokenx10-20 stacked on mystic. Which is nothing to sneeze at. That’s insanely strong. But since Ssg and Ssb are insanely stronger than ssj1-3. I don’t have an answer for them at the moment. So why not focus on some of their techniques instead and come back to their power later. Either way I’ll try to cover everything in the next video. UI included.

@linkfan6555

Жыл бұрын

I headcanon that Tien could potentially Learn UI pretty quickly, at least quicker then Goku did. Also If they Stacked God Ki with there Ultimate Forms it could potentially increase its power by an unknown but pretty big amount, possibly giving them a SSG level or higher form.

This was actually a pretty good video

One thing that seems strange is that during the sayin saga the earthlings using training from kami became easily more powerful then raditz in the 1 year training time period as opposed to Goku back during dragon ball. One thing that I see a bit during DBZ is that the earthing's go through some sort of training later on and seemingly surpass the original threshold in prior arcs

@jeroenvdw

Жыл бұрын

Yes and also imagine that it took Roshi 50 years just to learn the kamehameha and Roshi was considered pretty strong back in the days. He even held his own in ToP. Power scaling is so bad in DBZ it's best just to ignore all those power levels. They fcked up

@johnlequebecois

Жыл бұрын

@@jeroenvdw He didn't learn the Kamehéméha. He created it back in a era where KI was newly discovered (By Master Mutaito) and didn't have big enemy popping out every year. The only thing driving Roshi was his rivalry with Shen (which is why Roshi never wanted to learn the flying technique)

@Jojo-lg5jm

Жыл бұрын

@@jeroenvdw Creating a technique is much more time consuming than just learning it. Especially since barely anyone knew about ki.

I strongly agree with the limited training resources. The exact same problem happens with kuwabara in yyh where is his development and potential is extremely hampered because he's mostly self taught with only a few months of training with kurama who had to focus on himself and him. while yusuke is focused on by an extremely skilled teacher. Considering later on, he developed dimensional cutting abilities but is not trained by Genkai but instead forced into studying is a waste. It's one of biggest flaws in most older anime.

@1BadAssArchAngelvs14

Жыл бұрын

anime writers are lazy to put all the characters on a equal stage. the same thing also happened in part 1 OG Naruto to Naruto part 2 shippuden.then i realize in the Boruto anime all the new gen are getting new jutsu at an equal pace but the Naruto fans hate Boruto though its an improvement in terms of writing the new gen characters getting equaled power ups anime I noticed this in Boruto.

@haroldcruz8550

Жыл бұрын

Except Yusuke is a half demon himself. Even without his teacher, Yusuke would still be alot stronger then Kuwabara.

@stevemclovin1566

Жыл бұрын

@@haroldcruz8550 yes. But with proper training, refinement, dimensional energy, the flexibility of his regular weapon and scared energy he doesn't have to be stronger than yusuke because his abilities would allow him to punch above his weight class, protect himself better or move around in ways the others can't. Kuwabara training under Genkai instead of Kurama, training during the three kings and actually having good fights would do nothing to harm the story at all. He could have been a legend.

My favorite earthling is Yamcha. Right along with Krillin. They're probably my favorite characters among all Dragon Ball Z and I'm actually very happy that they sort of redeemed them in the Moro Arc.

The music in the background is so nostalgic. Can't remember which game it was but it takes me back to 2007 dayuuum

Like your video! Need some fan manga

I really wish they kept the earthlings relevant as they keep getting shadowed by people who are naturally more gifted with strength but still manage to barely keep up through hard work is a perfect message for young fans that just because you aren’t as biologically gifted as them doesn’t mean you can’t be as good as them. I’d also think that them being weaker than goku and vegeta would be a good thing as it could make a great dynamic as they could work as a trio to overcome problems rather than just being stronger than it yourself

@darksideofevil13

Жыл бұрын

It's good to encourage hard work to bridge gaps. But realistically if you aren't as biologically gifted as someone sadly you won't be able to grow as strong.

@grimmspectrum1547

Жыл бұрын

The reason why they didn't keep up is because there are only two earthlings who are relevant to the story in any capacity and that was yamcha and krillin out of those two only krillin kept training while yamcha stopped because he saw that he would never catch up but he is leagues above any normal human being

While FAR from my favorite character, Chiaotzu omission from this scenario is criminal: He was the obvious choice to learn the Spirit Bomb on King Kai's planet, while the others were learning Kio Ken. He would take to Yardrak techniques easier than the other Earthlings, and possibly the Mystic Form as well. Chiaotzu would be a 'glass cannon' in combat, but a ridiculously helpful support character/staff.

@rjai5003

Жыл бұрын

After the Saiyan Saga, it seems like everyone just forgot he was a fighter and wasn’t just Tien’s sidekick

@JayEm1325

Жыл бұрын

In DB if youre strong youre durable lol, there are no glass cannons.

@Bruh_but_why

Жыл бұрын

​@@JayEm1325Yeah, and that's one of DBs major flaws. If you have a higher power level, you're not just stronger, but you're also faster and more durable. Can't do much in those circumstances if your power level is lower

@JayEm1325

Жыл бұрын

@@Bruh_but_why agreed 100% not even teamwork is viable except for that one time it did vs Raditz lol

@Bruh_but_why

Жыл бұрын

@@JayEm1325 Even then, the power level difference between raditz and goku wasn't that big, (at least not as big as the power creep later on in the story). Now imagine tien doing that to someone like frieza

Great stuff keep thinkin outside the box for ideas like this. Fine tune it and check your edit work. And fyj, im a consumer, not a creator. Want u to do better. Love this stuff.

Android 17 : you know I'm an earthling right? Did I notnmake you people proud in the tournament?

The Kai’s are easily super wasted! They are supposed to be the opposite of beerus and masters of life and creation!Even if they aren’t as physically powerful they should have been op because of hack abilities.

@ProximaZR

Жыл бұрын

I think humans should learn mystic form.

You missed the fact that Old Kai's potential unlock is significantly stronger than Guru's and the more a charcters trains the stronger the form (multiplier) gets.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Yeah people have told me. I’ll take it into consideration next time.

That Yamcha drawing is dope, got him with a wolf tail and shit that’s cool af, I like Tiens too

Tien using chakras as hidden potential is exactly what I want

@fireemblemaddict128

Жыл бұрын

That is bizarre though. Chakra and ki are the exact same things but with different names and slightly different thought processes. This is just westerners not understanding they're the same. It's like the difference between gelato and ice cream.

@backindaislands

Жыл бұрын

@@fireemblemaddict128 Not at all the same, anime isn't correct. Chi / Ki / Qi are the same. They represent the lifeforce flowing through everything. Chakras are specific gateways or wells of energy in the body with each chakra representing something different. Since you're clearly basing your knowledge on Naruto's misuse of the word, chakras would be more similar to the gates that Guy and Rock Lee can open.

@fireemblemaddict128

Жыл бұрын

@Brandon Powdhar no, I base my understanding on actually knowing eastern mythologies from living in the east. Chakra and qi/ki are two ancient concepts that stem from the same thing and were given different names in India and China. I am not just some narutard LOL Toriyama borrows heavily from eastern martial arts mythologies, and Dragonball as a whole is a lot less crazy when you understand the root concepts. Like for example, sudden mind reading abilities. Seams random to western audiences, makes sense to eastern viewers.

@backindaislands

Жыл бұрын

@@fireemblemaddict128 They do not stem from the same thing. Prana is the same as chi. Chakras are what the prana flows through. The vedas, the upanisads, nothing ever equates chakras to a concept of energy. If you have a source that proves me wrong I'd love to see it. Wiki has a pretty decent explanation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

@redjoker365

Жыл бұрын

@@fireemblemaddict128 Chinese Buddhist here, chakras and qi are interrelated, but very different. Energy channels (often unfortunately translated as "meridians") are like the canal, chakras are like the canal gates, and qi is like the water

Underrated channel.

Yo, what’s the music in the video? Been looking everywhere for the titles. They’re really good!

Not a single mention of Yajirobe when he's the dude that singlehandedly defeated Vegeta and saved the entire planet I see how it is

Great video. It's such a shame how they were treated in the series. So many things could be done to make them stand out in their own ways, specialising with different techniques, forms, powers, etc.

Good video. I'm glad you're giving the earthlings some love. Some in this fandom get so upset of the thought of humans potentially being strong for some reason. Usually, in a lot of fandoms in Sci Fi like elements with aliens, humans get wanked. Here it's the opposite.

@SionReaver

Жыл бұрын

Gonna add to my comment, I think when you add part 2 it should say "how strong can earthlings get if they took advantage of training?" because I see people keep saying they did try, but are missing the point you're getting at. Or saying they have hard limit(which isn't confirmed in story for sure, nor does Akira say it) It's like clock work but predictable. Anything and everything to keep them in their place.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

I hear you load and clear bro

@SionReaver

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami Before I forget, if you read this wanted to say thanks for doing this video for the simple fact fans of the human Z-fighters are kind of treated like the red-headed step children of the fandom. Judging by how this video blew up and the general positive reception, there is a lot more of us out there in hiding. I do wonder if Tien could learn some of Hit's techniques, including his progress if its not a racial thing. I would do it myself if I have the equipment and is more something in the bank. But I honestly think there needs to be a video debunking the common myths of humans having no potential at all. Seth The Programmer had a really good video about human potential but sadly its gone. That said up to you but maybe something in the bank for future content perhaps. If you do decide and need help debunking the common talking points to downplay humans, I'm your guy. But you seem like a smart dude who has done their research so you'd be fine.

PLEASE. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT FUNKY MUSIC AT THE BEGINNING?

What’s that saucy song playing at 5:52?

Honestly the biggest missed oportunity was not letting the earthlings learn kaio ken, even Goku eventualy comes back to the technique with how useful it is The Saiyans don't have a need to it because they have super saiyan transformations but the earthlings could have use it to great effect maybe even pushing it beyond what Goku was able to, imaginé a kaio ken times 40, 50 or 100 or crazy numbers like that, there is a reason why the vast mayority of fan manga that want to give the earthlings some protagonism starts by giving them kaio ken

Honestly, I completely agree with this video. All that untapped potential the earthlings had gone to complete waste. They could have learn to Kaioken technique and the spirit bomb, too. Yet the writers decided to make earthlings weaker and focus on the saiyans more and more.

Dope video. Would be cool if dragon ball had a what if saga

olong and prar the idea of a shape shifting school we never see or talk about is crazy

I remembered them having an arc that felt worthwhile in the Frieza Saga (Krillin getting his potential unlocked by Grand Elder Guru, whereas Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu trained on King Kai’s planet. I believe that by the time of the Android/Cell Saga, Toriyama/TOEI decided to drop them in favor of the Saiyans (and Piccolo). We hardly have a true scale as to how strong they are in Super, compared to the Cell and Majin Buu Saga.

@coluftonmcgerbergerber3116

Жыл бұрын

Actually if you take the highest hipotetical into account then they are all at least near base level Goku,which is speculated to be around 100 trillion,this is reinforced with the idea that I highly doubt anyone in that tournament were only in the millions,especially since there were many normal characters that challenged base Goku, or else they would be eliminated immediately,it’s a little unbelievable especially considering Goku got that power by turning into a god,but the battles in the tournament of power speak for themselves,but other then that I got nothing

@Takato-ym2dk

Жыл бұрын

@@coluftonmcgerbergerber3116 also to be honest we also do not know what so the general strenght level in the other universes are aside of universe 7 where we know that it probally was the weakest for the longest time alot of it is probally due to frieza hindering the growth in strenght for the other races

@coluftonmcgerbergerber3116

Жыл бұрын

It’s not just the tournament of power,we get conformation that at least krillin was generally base level Goku for the pre tournament fight between them,if he was still in the millions then Goku would have had absolutely no need to turn supersaiyan at all,now I do believe that it’s a little far stretched,such a increase is crazy in such little time,but this isn’t the first time dragon ball super just upped someone up just to make it a actual fight.just like buu.

@coluftonmcgerbergerber3116

Жыл бұрын

Also considering how much of the rest of the team completely out ranks them I think they at least deserve that.

Between the three, I really wish others were there to help them if they wanted to go back to training. Yamcha is the one that is ultimately underrated. This is a good video my dude!⭐️

I'm pretty sure that Yamcha and Ten Shin Han could manage the Kaio-Ken in their own way, Yamcha maybe uses the Kaio-Ken with his Wolf Style technique, for example all that power up but only in his hands or arms (yes, something similar that Luffy does with his Gear Second). Another comment said about how Ten could use King Kai techniques and its perfect. Krilin after Cell Saga could have trained with 18 and be pretty strong and durable, in Super they show how he improved old techniques and maybe thats the best for him.

Can someone tell me where i can find the pics seen in the video thumbnail?

What about the Fusion technique? Both Krillin and Yamcha were present for Goten and Trunks training, so they likely could've picked up the basics with minimum practice. Lets just say that Krillin is too short to fuse, but nothing ever said Yamcha couldn't work this out next time he sees Tien.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Making a second part to this and I do plan on including Tiencha

@JakeSmith-mq5dc

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanBoiYami Cool! It's too bad that Yamhan isn't the Fusion Dance because that is the cooler fusion imo

Imagine if they all get their own original transformation. Like Yamaha gets some wolf Kin transformation, tein gets a Buddhism transformation and krillen gets some awakening state similar to potential unleashed.

@airproci

Жыл бұрын

Chrilin grow a nose 👀

You could make a full series focusing on the ignored characters and it could actually be enticing if it was written and paced correctly. Imagine Yamcha using Wolf Fang Fist with supersaiyan speed and strength, in rapid succession against multiple strong enemies

I don't remember in witch version this is from but there is a episode were yamcha tries to use Vegeta's gravity room and almost kills him self

Tiens dojo is mega wasted Imagine a whole crew of Tiens smacking any sucker trying to blow up earth again

There are two things worth noting, one, Guru didn't unlock all of their potential, only a portion, gohan being an incredible example of that small potential unlock. The other is, krillin could have learned the kaioken after being killed in the buu saga as he was with king kai then, albeit a much shorter time(maybe return to it later thanks to Goku) and considering he handled the spirit bomb at 1 point, he might have a grasp on it at this point. Sidenote, it would be cool to see more techniques from them, the earthlings biggest weapons were their ingenuity when inventing techniques. Multiform/solar flare/destructo disc/spirit ball/tri beam/mafuba/that electric attack move/lullaby fist

@komlat253

Жыл бұрын

I think humans are still superior in spiritual techniques because goku only learns them because of his human like nature but vegeta struggles hard to do so like instant transmission and UI .his training on the one planet with the spiritual guys was much hard for vegeta than goku but considering people like tian and roshi and krillian holding the spirit bomb and literally yamcha having the spirt bal ; I think if they went through similar training they would gather many techniques on top of material arts which even vegeta fighting is like that of piccolo and goku because of it

@vergilmontiero2558

Жыл бұрын

Wondering if krillin even got his full potential unlocked.

You should fo another one of these with Chiaotzu and the other lower level human fighters from the series. Just for fun.

The other thing I wanted to touch on is that one thing I don't really see many people talk about is the possibility that there is some form of super human state the way that Saiyans or other alien species have that could be reached. Transformations and ascended states of power seem to be a super common thing in the dbz universe and we see so many different characters use it, but I haven't really seen the humans achieve anything like it (to my memory or knowledge). It'd be really cool to know if such a thing was possible for humans to do since pretty much every other alien species seems to in one way or another and it would be an interesting thing to see and a way for them to close the power gap.

Now this is the kind of thing the Dragon ball Dynasty fanfiction thankfully addressed. The humans in Dragonball have so many opportunities to get stronger than they are in canon. But just don't even when it makes no sense for some characters

@fliggy91

Жыл бұрын

Love that fan fiction

I know you said you didn't wanna include Super but in the manga Roshi demonstrated that earthlings can also learn UI and Roshi being a very old and well practiced master, had some rudimentary form of it. Perhaps more training with Roshi and even training with Whis would unlock it. That alone can elevate them to God Status. In the latest movie, it was revealed you can literally just ask for Shenron to give your more power more or less, which seems cheap, but if it worked for Piccolo, can't see why it wouldn't work for an Earthling. Lastly, you forgot to point that Ultimate/Mystic potential unlocking is stronger than what Guru can do by his own admission. So who's to say if Ultimate/Mystic wouldn't be much much higher than what Krillin gained from Guru.

@BeanBoiYami

Жыл бұрын

Completely overlooked the last part. It might be a little too late to try and change things in the next video seeing as it’s a continuation. But I’ll take that into consideration from now on. Thank you for your feedback.

@Oromanowarful

Жыл бұрын

Depends on who they ask to unleash their potential, guru could only release so much, the old Supreme kai ritual unlocked much more of gohans potential but if we take shenron into consideration, he may be able to unlock the most potential aside from super shenron. And yeah all of them should be capable of learning kaioken, spirit bomb and even ultra instinct, but they choose to let goku vegeta piccolo and gohan to handle things smh.

@thomasbullins2008

Жыл бұрын

Maybe Roshi's white mustache and goatee are the result of UI ---

@Extrasailor

Жыл бұрын

@@Oromanowarful Yeah, they could ask Super Shenron to turn them into God Ki users. Like Super Human Gods...

When u bring god ki into the picture it levels the playing field for all characters

*Sighs from the pain of it all.* I had really high hopes for Yamcha when I was new to DBZ.

pikkon is some I really wish they brought back or did something with! absolutely loved his flamethrower blast he did and would love to see more of that.

@narutofan4545

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@jayclearmen411

Жыл бұрын

same he could’ve been equal to a goku to since he was getting trained up by that grand kai.

@andremalone3941

Жыл бұрын

He lives in the after life so...