Just throwing it out there, I believe super saiyan god is not at all a multiplier, but a new type of ki that has been applied upon base form. I also believe the super saiyan god transformation also brings an entire new power level, as seen with how at one point, super saiyan god goku was a 6, beerus was a 9 or 10 (I'm not sure) and whis was a 15; however, the new power levels would work differently, as goku is now millions of times stronger than what he was back in the battle of gods and is still far weaker than that of beerus. Just my theory tho, so correct me however you like.
@furiousgamerxz51412 күн бұрын
They all did
@CharliRay2 күн бұрын
So we just gonna pretend Chiaotzu wasn’t training with king Kai ? He’d of became a beast spending a few years with Kai 😂
@kiran63873 күн бұрын
I'm thinking other way around did you see it Ssj blue is 50 times of God form right And guess what else is 50 times right ssj Here they clearly say ssj blue is 50 times of God form, we don't know ssj God is powerful And God form cannot acess because it's a divine form entirely different from other three forms Even if we need a know actual pl God form is strong than fusion and their fusion can only access ssj2 because vegeta didn't acheive ssj it means their compain more than 150000000 *4 =<600000000 with divine power
@1ce8674 күн бұрын
The z fighters could learn the spirit bomb too, aside from that, this is the best and realistic “what if” if toriyama actually cared for the humans and not the Saiyans
@fernandomolinaamaro12904 күн бұрын
Piccolo was tires when he fought vs cell.max
@hassandiamond23566 күн бұрын
Please Part 6,PLEASE
@Only_Some7 күн бұрын
everything made sense till you threw out the window that the fusion (one of them) must have the users at equal level meaning gokus would be restricted by vegetas own max
@dbox91208 күн бұрын
I think it’s fuck up that Yamacha is stronger than killin lol just because killin always been better than yamacha. I mean he has always been eliminated in the first round of the tournaments lol…I think it’s fuck up how they let tien get weak. I mean he fucking beat goku in the tournament.
@PURPLE_G0J08 күн бұрын
The only thing that separates saiyans and humans in terms of power is zenkai and transformations. The humans are more than capable of keeping up till the end of the buu arc
@kindertak53968 күн бұрын
I like to think that super saiyan multipliers were only to their first appearence, with them being more of a potential unlock + somewhat of a power boost, as the user grows stronger, he unlocks more of his potential and the forms only remain with the power boost, but this boost is nowhere close to a 50x for ssj in anything beyond BoG. And God forms having a different hidden potential unlock alongside the massive power boosts, this new potential could justify why Goku and Vegeta grow massively stronger with each arc of Super Mainly its my headcanon to justify the broken power scaling ever since Buu saga, and the fact that there is no actual way SSB is a 50x multi to SSG
@tanhoang63859 күн бұрын
I love it. I want to see next part of this.
@shadowreptile00111 күн бұрын
buu has wasted potential in super, they dont do much with him at least in the anime
@wikypedia548512 күн бұрын
"What if a Cell jr survived?" Does he know?
@nicoleturpin111012 күн бұрын
Super Saiyan 4 ×4,000 Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×20,000 Ultra Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×400,000 Saiyan God ×20,000 Super Saiyan God ×1,000,000 The god form has a base amp of an unknown multiplier so I say it's a 20,000 x multiplier
@Antonio_Dude12 күн бұрын
Super vegito is stronger than god goku in battle of gods bruh
@darkness458812 күн бұрын
God ki already has a healing ability
@GooberGlumbus12 күн бұрын
Dang, thats pretty big. Although I didn't expect Ssj4 to absolutely dwarf it in power
@pjmontbleau12 күн бұрын
power levels arent bullshit
@SaiyanDekuX13 күн бұрын
I hope we get a part five because I don’t want this series to end
@The_Watcher_014 күн бұрын
This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but Goku not even considering fusing with Gohan implies that Vegeta surpassed even Ultimate Gohan by such a margin that the Ultimate form would do nothing to cover the gap.
@kindertak53968 күн бұрын
its more the fact that Gohan was already out of shape for when Super starts
@dominiontower74874 күн бұрын
fusion only works when both people are around the same power level
@MarJin72714 күн бұрын
let's make one thing clear, ten shin is not a human
@georgie54514 күн бұрын
I believe it’s a 2 million times amp. But for those haters, it’s at the very least, a 160 thousand time amp. Goku was more confident in God than in SS3 Vegito. Base Vegito> SS3 Goku. Base Vegito X 400= 400 squared. So the bare minimum is 400 times 400, which comes out to 160 thousand.
@Tanozzo15 күн бұрын
amazing how a what if like that is more interesting than dragon ball super anime
@ShawnStewartJr-jw1hn16 күн бұрын
everyone forgets that the human's bodies can't handle the kioken
@SionReaver13 күн бұрын
If Kaioken was based on your physical strength without Ki, then sure. Goku as a kid would explode to salsa if he tried Kaioken at that low level. They are more then strong enough by this point to handle it.
@ssgoko8817 күн бұрын
Tien plus krillin is Trillin, idk but that seems like important info.
@ssgoko8817 күн бұрын
Krillin should get some more skills that expand on whats possible with ki control, he already invented the destructo disk that lets him one-shot enemies (if it lands) so it would be cool if he could do more interesting stuff like that, maybe even making parabolic shields to reflect energy attacks or even learn to deflect energy and double down on hand-to-hand combat. Tien should definitely lean into his whole multiple arm/duplicate thing so he can just do *more* faster than anyone else. Two dodon rays while he smacks you sounds pretty dope, maybe even give his third eye future sight or something. Yamcha should be able to project a wolf spirit to fight next to him, basically making him two fighters in one. Maybe he even gets a baseball themed attack and he can shoot fast blasts at insane speeds, or he can imbue energy into rocks and throw them around with more energy. Maybe he just pays the bad guys to go away or something.
@WRaeth_17 күн бұрын
There is no what if, they DID survive lol
@Andrew-Bastin18 күн бұрын
It’s weird that everyone just assumes SSG is stronger than Fusion from that one statement from Goku considering that Goku had no idea how strong Beerus or Super Saiyan God was, he was making an assumption with very little information to work with. Especially as revealed in latter arcs that Fusion is actually stronger.
@vuki_car421318 күн бұрын
Well ssj grade 3 ajd 4 are a 500x low balling and 625high balling if we use the fact thatssj grade 3is 10 times multiplier althoughtmkts not clear if its the multiplier of grade 1 or grade 2
@exegamer2719 күн бұрын
i mean in certain aspects power levels are bs but in most aspects power levels make sense[up until super but even in super there is some decent power scalings] goku vs frieza[good powerscaling] gohan vs cell[good powerscaling] buu saga[odd powerscaling] Goku vs beerus[good-odd power scaling] Goku vs frieza rematch[good powerscaling] Universe 6 tournament[fine powerscaling] Goku black arc[bad powerscaling] T.O.P[odd powerscaling] Broly[Good powerscaling] Moro arc[Good powerscaling] Granolah[Good powerscaling] Superhero[We didnt get a whole lot so: odd powerscaling] Goku vs Gohan[Gohan won so it was good powerscaling]
@year-around1234520 күн бұрын
How did Chichi learn how to use the kaoken
@edmondsfamily957720 күн бұрын
2:11 angwish 😭
@Joker3180Z22 күн бұрын
Goku is a great character but he isn't the strongest
@leisurelyindex23 күн бұрын
I know Jaco isn't turning against the Galactic Patrol for real, must be his covert idea of getting info on Frieza and eventually will come into play at some point. I don't think Sidra will really stay loyal to Frieza either. Onio feels like a corrupt parallel to Broly, would be interesting to see his interaction with Goku and Vegeta. The phrasing on that last wish will come back to get Frieza. Somehow, he'll die and Zeno will wake up once again. Beerus will come back cause he didn't get his Battle of Gods 2 with the Saiyans. I'm curious to see when this'll continue and how the story progresses.
@Godspeedvr-me7bg23 күн бұрын
Tein has a tiny chance and still taro s
@Godspeedvr-me7bg23 күн бұрын
Trains
@JoshEastham27 күн бұрын
7
@ClitikaL29 күн бұрын
WOOOW! I love the outcome to this!! Beast form + God ki (will UI be added to this?) = I cant even imagine. hehehe. I imagine a black Mito. deyM!!!
@Travis371Ай бұрын
Tien would be an ABSOLUTE beast if the writers had him live up to his true potential. The guy reeks of honor and integrity. Tien literally trains non-stop, always striving to be the best he could possibly be, knowing he will never catch up to the Saiyans. He may be reckless, but that's his only biggest weakness. He is long overdue for a potential unlock. Give Tien what he deserves.
@obiyofi9792Ай бұрын
God ki would be better if it was used to soft-reset power levels gap between Saiyan and earthlings (or any other races) Instead it's just a paint bucket tools for recolored Super Saiyan.
@moltres42Ай бұрын
they also could have gone back and seen if mori could give the potential unlock to yamcha and tien
@BengamsАй бұрын
🚶🏿♂️➡️🚶🏼♂️➡️🫳🧼
@errorbits0860Ай бұрын
Now, if we think about it, 4,000,000 makes quite a lot of sense. Now, if we bring Kaioken (Highest canon multiplier of 20 times) into the mix, it could be a multiplier of roughly 80,000,000. It may be more, considering that we know that SSJ 3 Vegito (With Kaioken x 20) wouldn't be enough.
@getrichrich8246Ай бұрын
They can get as strong as a goek blade slim forst
@Madcat-GamingАй бұрын
The multiplier is 20,000 to 200,000 20,000 is before the Goku black Ark and 200,000 is after
@fanboy7181Ай бұрын
Krillin wouldn't learn kaioken and god ki because of his family
@stress5197Ай бұрын
Massively lowballing on the power of them
@SionReaverАй бұрын
Where would you put them then?
@ngonimandizha7738Ай бұрын
Hey man! Not sure if you’ll respond, it’s been a couple months since you’ve posted a video. Are you doing ok?
@PrinceRaptor6590Ай бұрын
This is basically how I figured out my stages in the lackadaisy community for Viktor Vasko. Of acceptance and Peace. It’s very similar. One day I will see light at the end of the tunnel. This video is very inspiring to be honest. Thankfully I never had to go through these toxic ways of being a Vegeta fan. I just love him for who he is.
@dominickdibart12Ай бұрын
they should have had kaioken and done gravity training. This alone could keep them relatively competitive.
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Just throwing it out there, I believe super saiyan god is not at all a multiplier, but a new type of ki that has been applied upon base form. I also believe the super saiyan god transformation also brings an entire new power level, as seen with how at one point, super saiyan god goku was a 6, beerus was a 9 or 10 (I'm not sure) and whis was a 15; however, the new power levels would work differently, as goku is now millions of times stronger than what he was back in the battle of gods and is still far weaker than that of beerus. Just my theory tho, so correct me however you like.
They all did
So we just gonna pretend Chiaotzu wasn’t training with king Kai ? He’d of became a beast spending a few years with Kai 😂
I'm thinking other way around did you see it Ssj blue is 50 times of God form right And guess what else is 50 times right ssj Here they clearly say ssj blue is 50 times of God form, we don't know ssj God is powerful And God form cannot acess because it's a divine form entirely different from other three forms Even if we need a know actual pl God form is strong than fusion and their fusion can only access ssj2 because vegeta didn't acheive ssj it means their compain more than 150000000 *4 =<600000000 with divine power
The z fighters could learn the spirit bomb too, aside from that, this is the best and realistic “what if” if toriyama actually cared for the humans and not the Saiyans
Piccolo was tires when he fought vs cell.max
Please Part 6,PLEASE
everything made sense till you threw out the window that the fusion (one of them) must have the users at equal level meaning gokus would be restricted by vegetas own max
I think it’s fuck up that Yamacha is stronger than killin lol just because killin always been better than yamacha. I mean he has always been eliminated in the first round of the tournaments lol…I think it’s fuck up how they let tien get weak. I mean he fucking beat goku in the tournament.
The only thing that separates saiyans and humans in terms of power is zenkai and transformations. The humans are more than capable of keeping up till the end of the buu arc
I like to think that super saiyan multipliers were only to their first appearence, with them being more of a potential unlock + somewhat of a power boost, as the user grows stronger, he unlocks more of his potential and the forms only remain with the power boost, but this boost is nowhere close to a 50x for ssj in anything beyond BoG. And God forms having a different hidden potential unlock alongside the massive power boosts, this new potential could justify why Goku and Vegeta grow massively stronger with each arc of Super Mainly its my headcanon to justify the broken power scaling ever since Buu saga, and the fact that there is no actual way SSB is a 50x multi to SSG
I love it. I want to see next part of this.
buu has wasted potential in super, they dont do much with him at least in the anime
"What if a Cell jr survived?" Does he know?
Super Saiyan 4 ×4,000 Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×20,000 Ultra Full Power Super Saiyan 4 ×400,000 Saiyan God ×20,000 Super Saiyan God ×1,000,000 The god form has a base amp of an unknown multiplier so I say it's a 20,000 x multiplier
Super vegito is stronger than god goku in battle of gods bruh
God ki already has a healing ability
Dang, thats pretty big. Although I didn't expect Ssj4 to absolutely dwarf it in power
power levels arent bullshit
I hope we get a part five because I don’t want this series to end
This is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but Goku not even considering fusing with Gohan implies that Vegeta surpassed even Ultimate Gohan by such a margin that the Ultimate form would do nothing to cover the gap.
its more the fact that Gohan was already out of shape for when Super starts
fusion only works when both people are around the same power level
let's make one thing clear, ten shin is not a human
I believe it’s a 2 million times amp. But for those haters, it’s at the very least, a 160 thousand time amp. Goku was more confident in God than in SS3 Vegito. Base Vegito> SS3 Goku. Base Vegito X 400= 400 squared. So the bare minimum is 400 times 400, which comes out to 160 thousand.
amazing how a what if like that is more interesting than dragon ball super anime
everyone forgets that the human's bodies can't handle the kioken
If Kaioken was based on your physical strength without Ki, then sure. Goku as a kid would explode to salsa if he tried Kaioken at that low level. They are more then strong enough by this point to handle it.
Tien plus krillin is Trillin, idk but that seems like important info.
Krillin should get some more skills that expand on whats possible with ki control, he already invented the destructo disk that lets him one-shot enemies (if it lands) so it would be cool if he could do more interesting stuff like that, maybe even making parabolic shields to reflect energy attacks or even learn to deflect energy and double down on hand-to-hand combat. Tien should definitely lean into his whole multiple arm/duplicate thing so he can just do *more* faster than anyone else. Two dodon rays while he smacks you sounds pretty dope, maybe even give his third eye future sight or something. Yamcha should be able to project a wolf spirit to fight next to him, basically making him two fighters in one. Maybe he even gets a baseball themed attack and he can shoot fast blasts at insane speeds, or he can imbue energy into rocks and throw them around with more energy. Maybe he just pays the bad guys to go away or something.
There is no what if, they DID survive lol
It’s weird that everyone just assumes SSG is stronger than Fusion from that one statement from Goku considering that Goku had no idea how strong Beerus or Super Saiyan God was, he was making an assumption with very little information to work with. Especially as revealed in latter arcs that Fusion is actually stronger.
Well ssj grade 3 ajd 4 are a 500x low balling and 625high balling if we use the fact thatssj grade 3is 10 times multiplier althoughtmkts not clear if its the multiplier of grade 1 or grade 2
i mean in certain aspects power levels are bs but in most aspects power levels make sense[up until super but even in super there is some decent power scalings] goku vs frieza[good powerscaling] gohan vs cell[good powerscaling] buu saga[odd powerscaling] Goku vs beerus[good-odd power scaling] Goku vs frieza rematch[good powerscaling] Universe 6 tournament[fine powerscaling] Goku black arc[bad powerscaling] T.O.P[odd powerscaling] Broly[Good powerscaling] Moro arc[Good powerscaling] Granolah[Good powerscaling] Superhero[We didnt get a whole lot so: odd powerscaling] Goku vs Gohan[Gohan won so it was good powerscaling]
How did Chichi learn how to use the kaoken
2:11 angwish 😭
Goku is a great character but he isn't the strongest
I know Jaco isn't turning against the Galactic Patrol for real, must be his covert idea of getting info on Frieza and eventually will come into play at some point. I don't think Sidra will really stay loyal to Frieza either. Onio feels like a corrupt parallel to Broly, would be interesting to see his interaction with Goku and Vegeta. The phrasing on that last wish will come back to get Frieza. Somehow, he'll die and Zeno will wake up once again. Beerus will come back cause he didn't get his Battle of Gods 2 with the Saiyans. I'm curious to see when this'll continue and how the story progresses.
Tein has a tiny chance and still taro s
Trains
7
WOOOW! I love the outcome to this!! Beast form + God ki (will UI be added to this?) = I cant even imagine. hehehe. I imagine a black Mito. deyM!!!
Tien would be an ABSOLUTE beast if the writers had him live up to his true potential. The guy reeks of honor and integrity. Tien literally trains non-stop, always striving to be the best he could possibly be, knowing he will never catch up to the Saiyans. He may be reckless, but that's his only biggest weakness. He is long overdue for a potential unlock. Give Tien what he deserves.
God ki would be better if it was used to soft-reset power levels gap between Saiyan and earthlings (or any other races) Instead it's just a paint bucket tools for recolored Super Saiyan.
they also could have gone back and seen if mori could give the potential unlock to yamcha and tien
🚶🏿♂️➡️🚶🏼♂️➡️🫳🧼
Now, if we think about it, 4,000,000 makes quite a lot of sense. Now, if we bring Kaioken (Highest canon multiplier of 20 times) into the mix, it could be a multiplier of roughly 80,000,000. It may be more, considering that we know that SSJ 3 Vegito (With Kaioken x 20) wouldn't be enough.
They can get as strong as a goek blade slim forst
The multiplier is 20,000 to 200,000 20,000 is before the Goku black Ark and 200,000 is after
Krillin wouldn't learn kaioken and god ki because of his family
Massively lowballing on the power of them
Where would you put them then?
Hey man! Not sure if you’ll respond, it’s been a couple months since you’ve posted a video. Are you doing ok?
This is basically how I figured out my stages in the lackadaisy community for Viktor Vasko. Of acceptance and Peace. It’s very similar. One day I will see light at the end of the tunnel. This video is very inspiring to be honest. Thankfully I never had to go through these toxic ways of being a Vegeta fan. I just love him for who he is.
they should have had kaioken and done gravity training. This alone could keep them relatively competitive.