I bike all year round in Minneapolis, MN, and I'm an old man. The PEBL would be so nice to use during the winter months. I'd probably still stick to biking in the warmer months because I'm a single person and groceries aren't anymore than two bags that I fit in my collapsible side baskets. This truly is a great alternative vehicle for getting around in the cities.

Thank you for this video!

Curious how the PEBL compares to the ELF. They seem very similar.

Lol out standing videos 👍👍👍 buddy good information to know ok where to buy ok got it thanks again for the update ☺️ from Alaska

I'm definitely buying a Pebl soon. Just like everything about it more than the Elf...which is basically a mute point as Organtic Transit has declared bankruptcy .

@animistchannel2983

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the news, but that shocked me. How the hell did OT go broke selling bikes for $12,000 with customers backed up around the block to get them?! That's some serious mismanagement, crap. Now PEBL's are gonna have orders backed up for 3 years until someone else starts another proper company to pick up the slack.

@PossumLady8262

4 жыл бұрын

@@animistchannel2983 Really surprised me too. The company got so much air time from news channels, KZread and internet too. Plus tons of public support...I thought they were doing well...😕

@crowman8914

4 жыл бұрын

@@animistchannel2983 if they put these pebls on sell then more people would buy them.

@crowman8914

4 жыл бұрын

I would sell a pebl like "knock off" cheaper but give consumers the option to assemble it themselves and or put actual motorcycle battery in it to hold up better

@johnspooner1403

4 жыл бұрын

PossumLady8262 - "moot" Just for future reference...

Nice review

Thank you for the video, i think its way overpriced it should be more like 3 to 5 thousand its now over 12 thousand 😀.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

David Macdonald the hubs motors and components by themselves would be just over $1200 then you’ve got a custom welded aluminum frame, a custom made fiberglass body, assembly, testing, and warranty. With MUCH higher quantity I could see the price coming back to around $6k but I don’t think an American made machine of this quality will ever get that low.

@Chapooski

5 жыл бұрын

To get the price down to that range it would take annual production and sales numbers in the 10s -100s of thousands of units. Rather than the PEBL's 50-100 units/year or the ELF's 100-200 units/year. It's fairly simple to see this when making comparisons to other vehicles produced in sufficiently high numbers. Examples: Toyota Prius EV 30,000 - 100,000 units minimum per year, retail cost approx. $9.60 / lb. A good quality, lower end E-bike 5,000 - 10,000 units per year, retail cost approx. $26 / lb. The Better Bike PEBL 50 - 100 units per year, retail cost approx. $38 / lb. So if a vehicle similar to the PEBL or ELF had production numbers of at least 25,000 units per year I could see it being sold for about $20 / lb. In the PEBL's specific case this would be 230 lbs. x $20 / lb. = $4,600 USD retail before tax.

@crimsonhawk467

5 жыл бұрын

Economies of scale

@mysurlytrucker7510

5 жыл бұрын

Eric i know what your saying but once he has made a jig for the frame its not like he has to custom make each one from scratch, eather way i like the idea but it wont fit on most paths and is out of reach for most people paying for a E bike ,any way i like your videos.

@rollandelliott

4 жыл бұрын

i agree. Chinese can sell enclosed scooters for $2000 with lead acid batteries! I think the reason reason they cost so much is they are a monopoly with no competition and they like having a big profit margin!

Is it possible to use a debit card when paying $10,000 for it? Or is there another way to pay?

I love the idea of these bikes but I can't get past the fact for about the same price I can buy a 2016 Nissan Leaf S 30kWh, 23k miles + $2500 Oregon rebate - $12490 The manufacturers of these bikes are going need to figure out how to get the price down or they won't gain market share.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

Numerate people know the math - cars cost far more to own, even if they are given to you free. Taking ownership of an unsustainable car of any design is the beginning of a never ending annual bill of at least $3000 and that can be far more. Owning the PEBL or ELF costs you just $300/yr on average to own so every ten years you save at least $27,000 by not owning a car plus you stop polluting and you get vital exercise in a fun way. The manufacturers of these bikes need to do a better job of informing consumers just how much of a bargain this is when you stop your personal car abuse.

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

If you want to make a vehicle, check out the "Gordo Car" kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

All I can think of is what if someone steals it before I even pay it off? I know, big ass chain lock but bolt cutters do exist so still a very valid what-if. I hope these things get more popular and drive the price down. But probably in a catch 22 where that'll never happen because of the high price.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

All bike security measures apply and the motor key removes. The prices will continue to rise. This is an extremely large and conspicuous bike that kids can't hide in the bushes and it won't even fit in a van. Theft is not an issue with normal precautions.

@donbaker3993

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon Lol, I'd bet a couple of people could pick this up and toss it in the back of a truck in 5 sec.

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

@@donbaker3993 When it is locked to a bike rack with a kevlar reinforced cable? Only an extra long pickup bed will hold it. It is too large to fit in a standard van. It is so totally conspicuous there is no place a thief could ride it without being noticed. The thief would not have the motor key and would be lucky if there was no GPS tracker hidden in it. Also, it would take a really stupid thief to want to steal such a poorly designed vehicle. The PEBL is over built, it weighs 230 pounds so it is too heavy to enjoy pedaling it and it is a slug on hills. The ELF weighs 70 pounds less and is a joy to pedal. Theft has simply not been an issue with these car-bikes. Only one PEBL and 5 ELFS have ever been stolen in 7 years with 1300 of them sold.

@donbaker3993

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon I stand corrected; thank you for the information.

Great video and about your last part about the Facebook group and wanting to eventually talk about and bring in other ways of transportation like the elf etc... mine won’t be starting off as luxurious or as well equipped as the pebl or the elf and others but I’m working on and planning on building my own version of these pedal electric vehicles or pedal cars whatever you want to call them and hope to bring it to the market as well and make a business from it myself

@rollandelliott

4 жыл бұрын

you have any videos pictures, etc to show so far? website?

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

One year later, where is your project?

@greenmachine55

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve had a lot of setbacks and focused on other projects I’ve had job changes and a bad landlord that over charged and ended up in a homeless shelter it’s been a bad year for me

You should do a camping trip or something with this. Even motel to motel.

You can do the same thing on the Organic Transit site. Over all the prices are very similar. Never forget that car purchase prices are a different animal, even a totally free car is the start of a never ending money pit of annual insurance, maintenance, tags, fuel, oil changes and more. Cars have a $5000 motor and $3000 transmission to blow up. I have had two cars in my lifetime break their timing chains and need a new engine. No single part is that expensive in the PEBL or ELF except an entirely new body shell. We also can end any gym memberships when we drive a car-bike that can be pedaled.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right! Buying one of these is expensive sure when compared with a Walmart bike, but when compared to even a cheap used car, the cost differential is minimal. Of course then the used car's gas, insurance, and maintenance will definitely get you down. Granted if you're shopping for a minivan to carry your 7 children to school and pick them up at soccer on the other side of town, then head south 20-miles to your job, then back after 2 hours, the PEBL or ELF isn't for you. You're really looking for a full-size van. Maybe you can teach the kids how to ride a bike and go on trips around town and all get exercise together when your daily grind isn't getting you down.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, I just went to organictransit.com and noticed that they don't have the configurator on their site right now. It requires you to call and contact sales or email sales. I wonder why they made that change?

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller You have seen my post in our group, right? I'd rather discuss it there. Anything I say here is just speculation anyways.

A second ELF battery is pretty expensive. OT sourced a new US made battery last year. It is the absolutely highest quality available, fire/heat proof insulation between each cell, 17.5 AH at 48 volts. It has the plastic case with handle and costs $1000. Many of us with older ELFs have bought after market battery packs from Lunacycle. I bought two at once when my original started getting weak so they use the same locking track. My second locking track is not wired, it just holds a spare battery securely on the roomy front shelf. Note that in 5 years I have never run a battery down to shutoff voltage thanks to my small town location and solar panel that really puts out in Florida, year 'round. I almost depleted a 15AH battery with a 28 mile round trip to a state park near town. I was pedaling and had sunshine. Worth noting I weigh 295 pounds.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

So far my batteries are holding up really well, but also I switch between them so the unfortunate thing is that when they eventually die and they will eventually die.... I'll be buying both at the same time. Probably I'll just do what you're talking about and have someone make one or even make one myself... there are great videos on KZread of people that do just that.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller It is not usual for them to suddenly die, the first symptom is the full topping off charge becomes less than spec. My 5 year old original ELF pack is still viable with a top charge of 53.9 volts last time I checked. It still holds whatever charge I store it at, 6 months later. I have no home insurance so I store batteries inside a metal garbage can with tight lid.

@satatik21

4 жыл бұрын

OT just went bankrupt and you cannot get parts from them anymore.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@satatik21 No sweat, there are 1000 used ELFs and the owner groups support each other. The left overs are at auction. OT may yet rise from the ashes of over financing.

I got one coming pretty excited about it should be this fall what kind of oil do you use on the chain? Still waiting to be accepted for your Facebook group if it's still active

@EricFischnaller

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not really on it anymore put others in charge. Oil-wise I just use good cycling chain lube weather depending

You didn't say the total amount of this PEBL! Its a great mode of transportation for me for sure. Thank you &take care Apr19 2021 Monday.

@EricFischnaller

3 жыл бұрын

Today’s price according to better.bike is $13,255 before shipping with full enclosure package, cruiser tires and rim reinforcement, parking brake, 75-mi battery, windshield wiper. As my #7 PEBL was equipped.

Ce preț are?

Good video Eric. I always found it a bit strange when people pose the "how much does it cost question" to you here on KZread. It only takes going to Google for a few seconds to find a link to Better Bikes site and the PEBL pricing, you don't even need an accurate web address to do that. If possible could you make your Facebook group open to public viewing without logging in. Better Bike has their FB site open to public viewing and you only need to login if you want to post. I'm not a big fan of FB and rarely login anymore because of its invasive nature.

@veganvocalist4782

4 жыл бұрын

Jon R. Good point

@resetthis9838

3 жыл бұрын

It does seem a bit odd then again it would take them no time to just tell you what the price is.

@Chapooski

3 жыл бұрын

@@resetthis9838 Since the person that posted this video has no official affiliation with the Better Bike company and around the time of posting the pricing had been changing a bit, and there are a number of accessories to consider, I can understand why they didn't bother with providing a price. My point was in regards to people that in a few seconds could just go to the Better Bike website themselves to have a look at the current pricing, but instead seem a bit lazy and ask about pricing in KZread comments.

@resetthis9838

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chapooski That makes sense.

@skylaroconnor2903

2 жыл бұрын

I saw the website and just found it confusing. This video really helped clear things up and his breakdown of why things are priced the way they are made it feel less like an overpriced ripoff.

I paid for a PEBL BIKE since 2023 and I still can't get it yet. No updates either unless I reach out first. It's not looking good BETTER.BIKE. THIS IS NOT COOL :-(

Kandi is a proper electric car sold in the USA that starts at 9,999 USD. It will be very difficult to sell products like PEBL or ELF in the future.

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

The exact opposite is true - PEBL and ELF are light enough to be fully sustainable and they offer exercise in a fun way that no electric car can offer. Heavy personal cars of all types will be taxed into oblivion soon.

Searching for prices, website, can't find pebl or ELF. Google offers Target, Ebay, or electric bike sellers etc. no ELF or Pedl websites. better.bike / contact is just a form to ask Q's. That would take25 emails & 3-4 weeks

@EricFischnaller

4 жыл бұрын

Wondering Why Elf is OrganicTransit.com PEBL is Better.Bike

try as I have, I'm unable to find your group on Facebook..good vid.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

facebook.com/groups/pebladventure/

@NeilBlanchard

5 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller Thanks - the search tool on FB did not come up with this. Thanks for the link.

@Chapooski

5 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller If possible could you make your Facebook group open to public viewing without logging in. Better Bike has their FB site open to public viewing and you only need to login if you want to post. I'm not a big fan of FB and rarely login anymore because of its invasive nature.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

Jon R. I get your concerns but feel the private group serves our needs a bit better. While it would benefit you who don’t want to login to see posts it opens all of the members up to general web traffic without logging into Facebook which leaves us unprotected completely.

I'd love to have one.. but.. I have so many hobbies that I can't justify it.. I have 4 motorcycles, four bicycles (2 recubent 1 electric), 2 kayaks one 14 foot fishing boat, thirty drones rc boats and cars and airplanes. There is no end to the fun things to do in life.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

Actually there is an end coming to your life of excess consumption. Resources are finite.

@Billbobaker

4 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon yes and the sun is going to eventually burn out too.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Billbobaker That's a complete dodge of the fact that you are an excessive consumer. Could be worse - the single most damaging act a human can do is to reproduce.

@Billbobaker

4 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon cry me a river.. I've been driving a all electric EV for five years 130k miles on it.. I just like to collect cool toys and don't feel a need to throw them away... I also ride my bicycle an hour a day when the weather is fair.. it's an electric assist Sunseeker Fat Tad. Hoarders are good people we just don't throw things away... You crack me up.... Holier than thou attitude..

@Billbobaker

4 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon someone sure goofed up reproducing U.

We always need the price of what ever is being shown

Thanks for your vids. Just an idea: Probably you shouldn't show your contact list to the whole world unless they didn't agree on that.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

iwilltubeyouall it’s a good point... may edit and upload new vid.

@veganvocalist4782

4 жыл бұрын

iwilltubeyouall oh my gosh too right !!!

Not to mention phone/cameras for safety/directions/insurance (12vplug) “Dead in the water”, I hate to ask about your public transit.

Do a compare of elf/pebl.

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

Pushyhog were you thinking like this on the computer or in person? I don’t know any Elf owners in town where I can do head to head

@DamonKaswell

5 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller We should ask in the local Eugene Facebook group.

Welcome to india. Price....?

The price is now $10,500 Florence, OR. 😕. Looking for a good cond used Pebl or Elf.

@alexderpyracc4053

3 жыл бұрын

It is just way too much pay more get less this is I'd rather get my moped license and get a microcar

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

Now it is $12,000 base price. Still far cheaper than driving a car. Just 4 years of owning a used car costs you $12,000.

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexderpyracc4053 There are no legal 'micro-cars' in the USA or Canada. This is a US website featuring US vehicles. At least qualify your odd posts with your country of origin please.

@alexderpyracc4053

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon oh

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

Would you be interested in making your own? There's an open source 4 wheel "car" you can make . Check out "Gordo Car" kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

I live in Kolkata, West Bengal, India - 741 235. how can I Get it? What will be the cost if it?

@EricFischnaller

3 жыл бұрын

In theory PEBL bikes will in the near future start production in Germany in an effort to decrease costs and widen availability. Up till now they’ve only been available to US customers. Get on their email list or enquire on their website better.bike

Nice Video , but, the PEBL is outside my Price to Value ratio. . Base Price TODAY is $11, 000 . . Pound for Pound , it's a $4500. bike.. but, that's my calculation.. Too each his own .. It IS a nice machine.

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a bike. It is a car-bike with collision protection, weather protection and full DOT lighting system. My $9,000 ELF has saved me $18,000 in six years by getting rid of my car. The price can not be correctly compared to bicycles or cars. This is unique. PEBL closed and outsourced to Germany. Not currently available.

@THOMASTHESAILOR

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon , Nice , How is it driving in traffic ? . Other cars can be scary .

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

@@THOMASTHESAILOR This design puts the driver at eye level with car drivers. It is far more visible to cars than a bicycle plus we have all the lights, signals and horn. We also have crumple zone impact protection. Car drivers don't know it only weighs 200 pounds so they will fear damage to their vehicles if they bump us. No one has ever been killed in one of these. I watch my mirrors a lot, wave by close drivers and pull over rather than cause a backup. But at 20 mph, even up hills, this is faster than bicycles can do. I'm in Florida, the most dangerous state for bike fatalities but I feel safe enough by sharing the road. I don't hesitate to lay on my horn if an idiot crowds me. I drive with my right wheel 2 inches from the pavement edge and I have a solar powered safety flasher that runs at all times.

@THOMASTHESAILOR

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon , I believe ya , I'm a "Defensive driver" . I do everything I can to stay away from other cars and watch their every move . . I live in CT . Many of the road are small . Practically NO bicycle lanes or break down lanes, etc. There's not a lot of room to "get out of the way" . . I'd drive one of these , I have a short ride to work . It's CT that makes me nervous . .

skip to 7:40 for the price

anybody seen the new echo3.energy

@rollandelliott

4 жыл бұрын

looks like they are reselling chinese enclosed scooters for double the price to make a profit.

@veganvocalist4782

4 жыл бұрын

PhotoBooth biz things made in China is so badly made

short answer $10k PLUS !

$1100 to SHIP? LOL. they could put it on a standard 4x8' palette strap it down with $15 worth of straps and get it shipped for half that cost.

@tubetime39

4 жыл бұрын

Add handling charge too. Hmm prob $350 eh? boy o boy. Protective crate prob the expensive part of shipping. Have you seen how those freight haulers handle freight ? I have ! I have worked on a freight dock. I just had some freight returned. Presents will come after Christmas !!

@rollandelliott

4 жыл бұрын

@@tubetime39 they do not crate it, watch their other videos.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@rollandelliott Crates cost far more. You have trolled this page without checking actual shipping prices for this large object. It could be just $500 for a couple hundred miles and $2000 across the US. Working on a freight dock does not qualify you to attack this with false numbers that no shipper could offer.

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

@Rolland Elliott You can make a "Gordo Car" for a fraction of the price. Check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

@@tubetime39 Check out the "Gordo Car". You can make it for a fraction of the PEBL. kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

Price in pakistani rupees?

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

You can't afford it. Your country needs to make its own version.

Cute but a lot too expensive . Consider a tiny car like a twingo or littke toyota is half of this price when already used up to half of its life. I believe below 3 000 $ it could possibly find customers.

@EricFischnaller

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed overall. Price currently for a PEBL equipped like mine would be nearly $15k by the time you got it. A really nice ebike and gear for riding would be about $5k. I feel 6-8 would be reasonable but certainly not priced where they are now.

This looks like an ELF by Organic Transit

@EricFischnaller

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a similar vehicle if you want to see a comparison watch this short video kzread.info/dash/bejne/paxhq7WHo6zIeMo.html

No way I'm spending 10 thousand dollars on a Bike. It uses a 750w motor you can get for 650 bucks. For the 100 mile range model you might spend 1200 to 1800 on batteries. It's 4 feet wide. That's a little better than the Elf which is 5 feet wide but unless you have dedicated bike lanes that are 4 feet wide it will be hard to find a place to legally drive it because you cannot drive these on the car lanes. I've considered building one which I could do for about 3 thousand dollars or less if I don't build a fancy canopy. To get away with legally driving it on the side of the road like a normal ebike, it would have to be less than 2 and a half feet wide. Unless they change the laws in the US this is not a good choice because there is hardly anywhere you can drive it.

@EricFischnaller

3 жыл бұрын

In Oregon you can drive in the car lanes if safe to do so like in downtown areas. Regardless tho sounds like cost is the biggest hiccup for you. bunchbike.com/products/the-coupe-electric-cargo-bike?variant=32627743391795&matchtype=&network=g&device=m&keyword=&campaign=11712985417&adgroup=pla-1041708122598&gclid=CjwKCAjw6fCCBhBNEiwAem5SOxumYbB4X1DPiV8gd7IA5ayIAtzien2v_QSVg9Zj1YjqoeMWHc0MyhoCRL4QAvD_BwE this includes no enclosed rain canopy, no windshield, no doors but other similar features. You could easily spend 10grand on a road bike and could buy a bike with same basic components from Walmart for $150. It’s all about choices.

So high cost.........

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

Numerate people know the math - cars cost far more to own in the USA, even if they are given to you free. Taking ownership of an unsustainable car of any design is the beginning of a never ending annual bill of at least $3000 and that can be far more. Owning the PEBL or ELF costs you just $300/yr on average to own so every ten years you save at least $27,000 by not owning a car plus you stop polluting and you get vital exercise in a fun way. The manufacturers of these bikes need to do a better job of informing consumers just how much of a bargain this is when you stop your personal car abuse.

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

You can make your own "Gordo Car" for around $1200 USD. Check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

How munch PEBL in India

Hi Eric. The cost went up again.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

Cost to operate the PEBL for 10 years: $3000 Cost to operate an old car 10 years: $30,000

@ED3

4 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon plus pollution is less than a car. Many people forget the process of making batteries is a very dirty one. 60k on a Prius before its cleaner than a normal gas car.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@ED3 The Prius still weighs a full ton more more than sustainable vehicles. Batteries can be recycled cleanly. Carbon emissions in any amount can not.

@ED3

4 жыл бұрын

YES, Pebble is cleaner.

To think I was looking at this for a couple 2-3 hundred

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

The materials alone cost the factory $4000. Why should they go bankrupt giving them away far below cost?

And the truth is this is not affordable for many people. yet as I just told someone something like this could change a persons life allowing to get a job, be dependent only on themselves ,lower the carbon foot print.

@EricFischnaller

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. A lot of folks interested in this are unable to drive for on3 reason or another but this gives them back their independence

@simplelife3466

3 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller yes and that is what I am trying to do honestly. looking to build something of quality but affordable for even low income people. not all people low income or on government assistance want that and as you said one reason or another they can not drive or maybe just can not afford a vehicle . I wanted a velomobile for years ..the price out of my range as this is and I hardly understand why given these are all off the shelf bicycle parts mostly.

@EricFischnaller

3 жыл бұрын

@@simplelife3466 I think the main cost here (especially with current pricing) is the body. They also hired a shop to do the frame so you’d have to figure $1000 frame, $1000 body then another $500 for electric motor wiring etc. the hubs and wheels are another $1400. Other parts are cheap overall then assembly- I’d guess their cost out the door was in the neighborhood of $5900-ish which is what I paid back when I ordered #7. Shipping and upgrades took me up to $8200. Labor and part prices have really got expensive and hard to get over the last few years. Still don’t think the current prices are reasonable. Should top out at $10k max not nearly $14

....JUST ROUND IT OFF TO 12 GRAND ...SHIRT POCKET MONEY...

@EricFischnaller

5 жыл бұрын

See Nomore yep they’re expensive. Thinking about today’s transportation is always expensive. Compared with a car it’s not too bad but your circle of available locations to visit is vastly diminished.

@popeyegordon

5 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller That's what car rentals and buses are for.

These are genius and all, but the pricing is absolutely terrible. Many people use bicycles as an alternative to a car. This is the perfect alternative to a car which would change the world of transport, but it costs more than a car! No offense, but I’d buy myself a vehicle before this. If they make one that is $800-1000 then fine. It saves lots of fuel. But $10-11k??

@EricFischnaller

2 жыл бұрын

I agree the pricing is ridiculous but $800-$1000 is ridiculous you’d never be able to in 1 million years get an electric bike for $800-$1000 that has a full faring like this you can barely even buy a decent electric scooter for that much. I think if they could get the pricing to be around $3000 maybe up to $4000 then you could see a real big change in the marketplace but at the price it’s at right now in the $13-$15,000 range they’re just way beyond what most people would accept

Pebl is a good bike car, but it has disadvantages, the first is the cost of this device, the second is that you can't ride with three people, it's still a car for one, an egoist car. And do not say that there is a child's place there, there is too little space for a child. And sorry for my English, I'm writing through a translator.

@EricFischnaller

Жыл бұрын

You can take two small children on the back bench seat (maybe 3-5 yr old)

Just buy a car its cheaper and warmer + faster travel anything over 800.00 you can get a car

@EricFischnaller

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is many of the people interested in these have a car and just don't like commuting in them. For someone with a short commute (less than 15mi), often times there's a lot of stop-and-go traffic, irritation, and idiots making you mad while you're just trying to go from point a to point b. Personally, riding a bike or something like the PEBL, or even an electric scooter is vastly more fun, healthy, and enjoyable. Plus for me at least, the drive was 12-18 minutes depending on lights and with the PEBL the drive was 10-11 minutes. Always faster. If the train came it was another 10 minutes faster. That being said, the new ones are priced so high as to be out of the market for most if not all of its target audience. I wouldn't even buy one today and I loved that vehicle. I'd buy an $1500 waterproof electric scooter like the Emove Cruiser and call it good. It's fast, fun, and extremely economical. Never buy $4/gal gas, never wait in lines in traffic, use bike lanes, and with a 40-mi range, only charge 1-2 times a week. Folds up to bring inside so you don't have to worry about theft and you can wear rain gear, and not get sweaty since it's not requiring you to "pedal". I'm a big believer in these types of vehicles if they can resolve the water-proofness issues that have made them in-sensible for most in wet climates.

Too bad they dont sell these bikes without a battery

@EricFischnaller

4 жыл бұрын

Crowman I suspect they would if you ask the question

@crowman8914

4 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller i would put a motorcycle battery or a deep cycle marine instead and put my own solar panel cheaper from amazon etc.

@EricFischnaller

4 жыл бұрын

Crowman is keep an eye out for a used one or one that suffers minor body damage used (think salvage title) and do just that.

@crowman8914

4 жыл бұрын

@@EricFischnaller i think i will thank you

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@crowman8914 Those heavy low performance batteries would never work. A motorcycle battery would run down in 2 minutes if if could handle the amperage, which it could not. Heavy marine lead acid batteries would weigh far too much and not enough room for them. You can't mess with the design, you just think you can.

You can get a microcar for 6k 🤣

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

Or you can make the "Gordo Car" for $1200. Check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

90% of bike riders would never consider $6000 for a road bike. This is wayyyyyy overpriced.

@EricFischnaller

10 ай бұрын

Well new ones are now like $13k. Most cyclists use their bikes for exercise or recreation. It’s tough to justify that level of expense. This isn’t just a fun bike though. Most folks who buy these are replacing a car. They’re WAYYYYY cheaper than a car even at the very inflated current prices. There are also a whole category of folks buying these since for medical reasons they’re unable to get a drivers license but there’s no such requirement to have a bike.

Far too expensive

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

Interested in making a "Gordo Car'' ? Check it out kzread.info/dash/bejne/foWO0pitlLfVfZM.html

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveauguste4498 That thing is a joke. No comparison.

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

I got rid of my old car 6 years ago. Since then I have saved at least $18,000 and I am more healthy now. Cars are what is too expensive. I only have bike maintenance costs now and I stopped polluting. If you prefer to drive newer cars, the ELF will save you over $50,000 every ten years and we still have the option to rent a car if it is needed.

@steveauguste4498

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon What is a joke?

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveauguste4498 Expand down this thread section. You will clearly see I told you your link is a joke, never going to make it. It looks like it was made by school kids.

wo, 8750$, I can get my dream car for 3.000

@AG.Floats

4 жыл бұрын

3000k for a dream car lmao. Dream better.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

actually the base price is now 12 K, without solar roof. Still a bargain compared to owning any car, even a car given to you free costs a minimum of $3000 a year or $30,000 every ten years.

@popeyegordon

4 жыл бұрын

@@AG.Floats No, dream smarter.

@JoeJoe-lq6bd

3 жыл бұрын

@@popeyegordon The PEBL will not last ten years without maintenance. I like the idea but it's a false economy to pay this much for a vehicle that will have limited usefulness and is untested long-term.

@popeyegordon

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeJoe-lq6bd You started with a false premise. All of these bikes like the ELF and PEBL need regular maintenance, most of which is easy for amateurs. The point here is that a car is far more costly and complex. On board computers that need reader equipment. Insurance, gas, license, driver license, engine maintenance, brake jobs, expensive tire sets, in total at least $3000 a year to own on average and as much as $8000 a year to own according to the AAA. ELF and PEBL have no $5000 motor or $4000 transmission to blow up. In my lifetime I have lost two car engines to a broken timing belt. The motor for these bikes costs $300 total.

Lol $ 8700 dollars for a bicycle with a roof , you guys got to be out of your f&?king mind , I could get a cheap electric car for $7 k nowadays , 4 seater , and real wheels .

@EricFischnaller

2 жыл бұрын

Could be. And you’d need to have a legal drivers license, pay insurance, sit in traffic, wouldn’t get exercise, etc. these things are ridiculously expensive. Now even more so nearly $14k. Owning something entirely unique usually is. Life’s all about choices my friend.