I thought your video was great and I definitely learnt from your tests, I have a 1970 2+2 Elan which has some stress cracks in the centre of the door panel and I have been trying to think of a way to strengthen the area, but then I found this video which will solve my problem. Thank you. By the way I live about 15 miles from the farm where Harry Ferguson was brought up.....

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

TXS for the comments, wow that is interesting Harrison ford

Brilliant demo for these products and technique.

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you...

thanks Steve brilliant car because i'm English! loving your bike photography and Oldrusty every vlog c'est magnifique from UK :))

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard, I always had UK cars (Triumph Dolomite, Spitfire, MGB-GT, Landrover, ...) Somehow , I am very attracted to the UK / US and AU ways of life and mentality. My grand grand father used to run a business Manchester. Oh, and I am Flemish ( kind of Dutch spoken)...

Great video. Looking forward now to seeing the repair on the car.

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Its coming, need to get the rear clamshell first for a proper fit

Very interesting Steve thanks for sharing your knowledge look forward to your next video

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Mr Kerry, thank you for your kind words. I working on the next series.... not as fast as i would want it..but I have also a full time job.... But more is certainly to come

definitely "like" for this video👍

Oh, this is the first time I feel the need to make some comments that disagree with some points. I love these videos but want to be constructive based on my own repairs on Elise’s 1. Pu adhesive is great and has its applications, lotus use it all over the car as you know but I am a little concerned about you execution of the repair. Not for strength, you prove the strength with a great test, but more so the material use. Please do not use steel, corrosion will be a problem especially in that area where water will be sprayed even with a liner. The repair will be not very nice . 2. The top section that is missing on your side panel should not be where you splice the new part in. A better place is further down where the bottom of the air inlet is, reason is that it will be a smaller easier repair and much nicer to smooth in with filler, it will also be supported better where you have solid material mounted to the rear chassis leg. If you glue on the top bit it will have a lot of opportunity to flex and crack again. Further down will mean the Lower part is in the groove for support and the back is on the chassis, the repair section will also only be in the region of 100mm , I use pu adhesive and a small aluminium plate and rivet or screw the sections together which holds it nice while the glue sets, then the crack can be filled and smoothed. Also the repair will be subject to less environmental impact, also remember on cold days the metal will cause the repair to show condensation on the outside (no big deal but it looks obvious) Again just a variation on your plans but will be nicer when done in my opinion. Thanks for doing the videos, hopefully it inspires people to repair these awesome little cars

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Rok, and thanks a lot for your advice. The intend of the video was to show that metal plates ( in this video, it was steel) can be used with those PU bonding systems. What I did not show was how it is to be finished ( coats of seal and paint for the metal plate. I could and I have used in the past Aluminium plates, that works very well and has the same bonding as the crashbox to the chassis. And yes , I should have made that clear. Thanks for pointing it out. So far I have not started the repair of the sill, and I am exploring what can be done. I intended to create a full aluminum counter model for that tip. But reading through your comments and tips I am going to reconsider where to splice it... What you recommend seems very logical and I will have a closer look once I start the job. Still waiting for the rear clamshell. Txs again for commenting and bringing added value.... it's very much appreciated.... as for the video the scope was to show that PU bonding kit works great... I should have added all the remarks that you made.... maybe I do recap with all the comments. Have a great day........

@carlomariamosco

5 жыл бұрын

It may also zink coated metal plate be used,

thank you for this great information! regards George K Australia

@D3Sshooter

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I would have to agree with the first comments from Ad. I would suggest you stay away from steel due to rust, it also has a different modulus of elasticity, which will cause fatigue failure after some time in use. Using Aluminium has a closer relationship to the chassis of the car and might be a better approach. Will your repairs require independent certification of some kind before the car is allowed back on the road?

hi really really interesting good job has always bob

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

TXS

I would have definately replaced the full part, seeing you had already gotten the complete part. In my opinion nothing can beat the fitment and strength of Stock parts.

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comments. Replacing the complete sill is one major undertaking. I have done it once before and its very hard to remove the old part, besides the fact that you need to cut some pieces on door edges. Anyhow , I will think about it as I have not yet started. Removing the crashbox is one hell of a job, the sill is a factor 10X :) :)

@harald.370

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you; despite being a major undertaking I would replace the complete parts, not cut somewhere halfway. I would never consider buying a repaired Elise when it had repair constructions as the one you put in this video. With some good research I am sur you’d be able to find full 2nd hand shells on the market that you could use. Despite the extra work I’d REALLY reconsider your plan to use metal plates and cutting otherwise fine shells just for the benefit of less work...

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Harald.111 txs

Waar heb je de bumper besteld als ik vragen mag?

@D3Sshooter

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments, de bumper ? of de Sill, Deze kocht ik by Lotus zelf

what style oz racing wheels are those? are they the oem oz? they look nice

@D3Sshooter

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comments, those are the original 135R Lotus Elise S2 rims from OZ.

I would ask if the polyester pieces you used were painted? It appeared some of the separation was the paint and not the polyester peeling apart. Maybe removing the paint before your test might show a difference?

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Steve B, very good remark. You did see some blue spray on the back of the panel parts. That is spray from the time the car was painted, and normally that should be white ( no paint). I did not remove all the paint on the back and hence as you noticed the polyester only brakes where there was no paint, painted area's , let the paint go or bonding kit. If I would have removed all the paint on the back (overspray) then it would have been much stronger , I should also let itsettle a bit longer as you could see that one product was not fully cured and sheared at those placed. Thank you for commenting, much appreciated

How thick does the metal need to be?

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ted, that depends how much strenght you need, in some cases it can be as thin as 0.5mm . for the demo I used 1mm . in US terms that is 0,039 inch and 0.018 inch... Note that you can also use aluminum plates

@tedohio3038

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply. Does it work for metal on metal?

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Ted Ohio , Hi Ted. It sure does

@tedohio3038

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks again

The strength is in the tightness of the bond, not with thickness you are saying

@D3Sshooter

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments, strength is surface and a specific thickness of the bonding area depending on the bonding material. But I can see your point Thnaks

Ok for a temp repair but water/moisture will eventually cause delamination..and it will crack the outer repair..also no one wants to look on the inside of a panel and see bits of metal holding it together,unsightly and will look bodged,if your doing a job do it properly..just my opinion..

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

TXS for your comments , you have some points that should have stated and I did not as I was not addressing the finishing and focused on the bonding. As for the water and corrosion aspect , the edges of the metal need to be covered with body seal, the normal stuf used on sheet metal in cars and a paint layer. I have done the same with Aluminium plates , and that works as good as steel and needs less work afterwards . It all depends if its visible or not, as you state if its visible then I would not use it , unless I need the strength and possible I would enclose it with a polyester mat. However in most cases the back will not be seen...

@rival9417

5 жыл бұрын

@@D3Sshooter the fiberglass needs to be sealed as well.. water will delaminate it .and cause more damage .. good vids tho.. enjoying the rusty rebuild😉

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Rival txs. Always nice to get feedback and tips from you

@rival9417

5 жыл бұрын

@@D3Sshooter only other thing i would recomend is replace entire panel seeing as you have it.. no matter how strong the repair on the inside your limited with the outside..the area the repair is in will flex a lot ,as fiberglass does, and wil crack on the joint..just speaking from learning the hard way.. panel beater over 30yrs..

I would replace the entire panel

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is an option but a major undertaking as all panels are bonded to the ALU structure... Its very hard to remove the parts, and since this is only a shell and has no structural role other then aerodynamics, I might do just one segment of it.... I will start soon on it ... Not sure yet how to tackle this......all , a part or segment...

Do you have a mail address? I found an address for you for 2nd hand front- and rear clams :-)

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

That is great, steve@flashsplash.be I really appreciated your offer. Txs so much

so cars should be made of metal plates and glue not polyester..

@D3Sshooter

5 жыл бұрын

haha, not really but reality is that cars are today a mix of glue , metal and plastic types.... roofs (metal ) are often glued