Can’t express how much I love this channel ❤️

@danishali6746

3 жыл бұрын

Same like u ..... respected from pakistans

@brandonschaut4022

3 жыл бұрын

Right, I just wish my family would watch it with me lol.

@Alan-shore-

3 жыл бұрын

True that

@user-dc4bl1cu2k

2 жыл бұрын

Likewise

@deniserichter5372

Жыл бұрын

Ditto.

I wonder if I robbed Susan Blackmore's house whether she would want me punished under the law? If so, my defence would be that "I" am just stuff happening in the universe.

I have been ecstatically listening to these one episode at a time and I have to drop in periodically to heap praise on my guy RLK. I love every single thing about this show.

Information contained in constructed patterns giving sense of self.

A God that "remembers" the pattern and reconstitutes it. Embodied in a new form of matter. Amazing the craziness the brain will construct to agree with one's beliefs.

Glad that i found this on youtube😎

What an exceptionally good quality show. From production values to fascinating content, you have excelled. Thank you. Near the end you speculated about how continuity might be achieved after the body's death. Consider what seems continuous from childhood to adulthood even though you already have experienced different bodies. If the information about you is implicitly recorded within the fields of the holographic universe, it's not irrational to imagine how that implicit information could initiate a new round of continuity when the conditions allowed for it. That's all, thanks. 👍

Kudos -- 🗽

When we have abundance of food and water then that gives us luxury of thought and conversations like this.

@riddlescom

3 жыл бұрын

Im hungry, no abundance and my water is polluted but i still think about it. But life is so short when you finally figure it out your dead.

Nice one, RLK! Two likes

What's missing here is the importance or relevance of our peers or our community to our identity. We mean something to our community, so our identity is defined at least in part my what we symbolise to others.

For me I just feel that the self is all that I really have access to. To imagine a world without the self doesn’t make any sense. Am I supposed to except that, “I” emerged from out of nowhere- eternal darkness- to find myself in an absurdly complex self aware human only to recede into eternal darkness again? That scenario would suggest simply nothing ultimately exists because my present awareness now will fade and can’t be retrieved. If you can’t accept that...the self seems to be a more fundamental thing than maybe even the universe we observe... I think the world we see the human body we are in is just the selfs attempt to reconcile a fundamental eternity.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

2 жыл бұрын

Do you really not remember anything about your experiential process that converted your beginning in absolute confusion into your current knowledgeable perspective?

Thanks for the daily content! This channel is excellent.

This is making my brain itch...

Control Sysyems perspective is helpful here: driving function compels the transfer function; you are the transfer function, 30 times a second.

I recommend you study the concept of ahamkara. Thanks for your video

I agree with Raymond Kurzweil's position on this.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

But what if your "robotic" brother does not agree? Hmmm.

@dennistucker1153

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Then it would be just like bio brother. :)

I'm not afraid of death at all. Only my body and biology is afraid it's a natural biological defense. But my mind is not afraid why should I be afraid. I'm more afraid of experiencing discomfort, pain and suffering. And that's why Dr. David Benatar said that existence is problematic because No suffering is ever justified.

"But can such patterns exist beyond brain death?" Excellent question to ponder. However what if our patterns change during our earthly life? What if I desire to erase certain patterns? Ooops... my brain is getting tired; I better maintain my sleep patterns!

@jakkritphanomchit

Жыл бұрын

Yes ofcourse you can change patterns during your life. Once you shed a specific identity and develop new patterns etc

The perfect duplicating machine is impossible for purely physical reasons: on the quantum level, information cannot be duplicated. It can be "teleported" - but that involves destroying the original. Here's a thought experiment. Suppose that instead of a duplicating machine we have two "teleportation machines". Machine (C) is classical. It injects nanobots into your body, scans every cell to the highest precision possible, just slightly short of the quantum uncertainty limits, and digitizes this information. The procedure is too invasive to be survivable, so it destroys the original, but it extracts enough information to create an almost perfect clone. Also, the information is classical (and digitized), so it can be stored on a huge hard drive and used to create as many clones as we want. Machine (Q) is quantum. It does the same on the level of the quantum state of every atom, and quantum-teleports the state into another body (or a quantum computer). It can't create many clones, and of course it also destroys the original, but it teleports its quantum state perfectly. Now, I'm inclined to believe that (C) certainly kills people and (Q) probably doesn't (it depends on how good it is, so I'm assuming it's perfect). I don't know how to phrase this belief in terms of externally observable phenomena, or how to make it falsifiable. But the point is that I might consider stepping willingly into (Q), but never into (C).

Sue Blackmore's ideas reveal a belief system behind her words. She imagines that she has it right -- the "the universe is doing its stuff" -- but what does that really mean? It can free me if I 'believe' what Sue Blackmore has imagined. But, isn't the self really a mystery? Maybe the question to ask, is - "who we really are is something much deeper within our humanity that transcends this idea of a self at the superficial level? " The life we experience -- maybe it can be called our Aliveness -- experientially this is very real, is it not?. And our 'identity' may be within our deep humanity -- something that 'bubbles up' from the Aliveness we express through our engagement with life. When I say 'life,' I mean life at a deep level, not just having a sandwich or playing golf. I mean the Life that is profoundly 'behind,' if you will, our superficial experiences about 'living a life.'

There can be no illusion without observer. Mirage doesn't exist in a desert if there are no observers to be fooled by it. So even if u accept self as an illusion, there must be a real self that is experiencing that illusion. It is thus decided that there is a real Self that is changeless experiencer of ever changing space-time.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

I think this is the best argument in favor of the transcendence of mind over matter.

@jamasob

3 жыл бұрын

Experincer is also changing but information through him/her save thus make the illusion of self n identity how it remain after death it does not remain but except by means of profilaration

@achyuthcn2555

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamasob, So u accept that info is saved, who is the experiencer of all saved information?? When does the present experiencer hand over past info to new experiencer?? Is it like a relay race??

@jamasob

3 жыл бұрын

Ithink experiner is also an element in the framework of spacetime and when the event happened and passed there would be no such framework and everything changed throughly

@achyuthcn2555

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamasob, Everything is being replaced every second, but the experiencer is constant. Bcz I exist as pure awareness which is a fundamental fact whether I experience anything or not. Experiences are ever changing, but not the basis for experience. Pure awareness cannot change anf hence Eternal.

I'm more interested in a question whether my "instance" might die in some moment during this rolling replacement of atoms.

The idea that there is no self is bizarre. Continuity of self might not be real but that is another question. You don't need to make up stories about the past or future but only look at the present moment.

This cliffhanger will never end!

Identity is also an expression of self-preservation, any slight variations of our DNA our genes gives us identity as well, I think if you watch the film Lucy it's very informative

I am, I am not my body. I am not even my thoughts, they change. I simply am, I understand I am the universe because I am Buddhist. Everything I see, feel, learn, and touch from this point or vector adds to this filter that I see through. So that could be the I

These are the kind of questions all humans ask ourselves at some point in our lives, sooner or later. What a great work. If there is a good quality we humans have is curiosity. Love this channel

8:34-9:19 If I would think like this, I would probably spend all day just at home watching youtube while drinking beer and eating until I run out of food and starve to death, because if I would think that there is no continuity and death doesn't matter, I would also think that my future life doesn't matter, not even my life in one hour. So I don't understand how she can still live a normal life and e.g. makes appointments.

Identity is a fragile thing. It can, and does, occasionally evaporate

Maybe the self is your wave, similar to subatomic particles become waves.

Asked general people too.

In your discussion with Ray Kurzweil, when you made the clone example, I think you ignored an essential point: you and your clone are at a different location in spacetime. You are here and your clone is 2 meters to the left. You are not "the same" - you both get different inputs. As soon as you create your clone, you will be different and stimulated differently by different inputs and quantum fluctuations (if you really want to go that far) simply because you're located at a different point in spacetime. So you won't actually be "identical" - you'll immediately branch as different beings.

According to Hindu philosophies, the body is a vehicle, limited by space time, and the rider is the individual soul, not bound by space and time.

@Alan-shore-

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it's the same religion where the varna system and its concomitant karma theory are the very foundation. And also serves exact portions of social happiness, and misery, by measuring it in a calibrated karma flask - dismantled to an equation that calculates one's fate and therefore knows exactly how much each person deserves...

_Definitely_ one of the better, if not among the best, CTT episodes imo, and this is why I am such a fan (though sometimes a critical one) of this show. The pursuit of the self is one of my favorite predilections, and I've spent many an hour pondering it's implications. I do think the self exists, because I believe very strongly in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the idea of rights requires an individual self as a sort of scaffolding. Personally, the idea that the self is the integral of the function of all of our individual experiences resonates with me. I'm still learning, though. Also, Daniel Dennet's "Where Am I?" immediately comes to mind as yet another very interesting take on this question.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

I like your observations. What did you mean by "scaffolding"? Could such a scaffolding possibly lead us to a "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" that involves a Creator?

Thank you so much Kuhn. A great job, again an again...

"And virtually every atom is different." What does it mean? That is just hardware. There is difference between Software and Hardware, and only Software determines a person. You can replace a body, but identity is determined by his mind, that is, by his software. His software is determined by 1. his memories 2. his performance: how his mind reacts in a present situation.

@thriceconcussed1

3 жыл бұрын

If that's the case, then wouldn't you be able to generate two people, simultaneously, with one person's memories? Wouldn't you then have two identical people? How could two people have one personal identity? Since the spatial differences between two objects with subjective awareness would result in those two people having divergent, non-identical perceptions, you would once again lose the concept of personal identity. A body is necessarily part of an agent's personal identity.

I don’t hear anyone ever discuss the problems of physical feedback from bodies. If you copied your computer to mine, you couldn’t operate as I do, because I have various devices that you do not, etc. So you say, well, I can get those devices. But not with biological bodies. If they could copy my “mind” into Michael Jordan’s body, I would immediately start to become a different person. I may maintain a sense of self, but that sense would be wrong, because I would drastically change. This is why I don’t think that we can ever download into a computer or if we did our sense of self would not go with it and it would immediately be computer/me. The biofeedback effects the self and our sense of self is to a large degree illusion. We are definitely not spirits in a body and do not have souls, let’s not be ridiculous. And you kind have to be mental to want to live forever anyway…

The guy from Norte dame, Peter I believe was his name is another one that made no sense in the end when he said something ( physical ) survives the death of the body that God can use to resurrect a person. But when a person dies there is no physical element that doesn’t decay and goes back to dirt. He contradicted himself. Listening to his arguments, I would find it more feasible to think the something is immaterial since all material things obviously decay back to earth elements. There is no bare caucus to be found surviving on a corpse. It all decomposes, so I don’t know what on earth he’s talking about. I’ve listen to many of closer to truth guest about this subject and it seems to me dualism is the most plausible explanation though many of his guest refute it. What could be left to resurrect if that something that makes us isn’t immaterial? This is basically another way of discussing what many scientist refer to as the( Hard Problem) of brain producing consciousness.

The id, ego, soul, I, is the web we weave to filter and magnify all we see. Its like a literal filter with magnified regions giving importance. I have seen the process

Not so subtle issue of language: the distinction betwern "illusion" and "delusion". Illusions are products of the mechanisms of perception; they can be exploited by evolution and decoded by reason and observation. Personal identity is not delusional in as much as you are a single corporial entity.

18:40 that guy has a real idea that the church should pursue more. Patterns of information is very interesting 🤔

Exactly, cells die and regenerate all the time so we are not the same body we were 20 years ago. To go even deeper, the true self is animating the body with our souls/ consciousness. In a sense we are renting our bodies the way one would rent a vehicle, in order to participate in the experience we call life. When I hear people getting all bent out of shape over transgender issues, it makes me laugh in a way. Everything in these times we are living in, is pointing humanity in the direction of this realization, that the self is immaterial. We need to stop taking life so seriously and just enjoy living it to the fullest because the game eventually does come to an end and we will one day leave the material world with the body behind, like shedding a cloak. This realization is also the answer to all of the problems in the world. Btw, machines can never and will never equal human consciousness it's impossible. A machine will never have the capability of a central nervous system akin to that of a human being, with pain and pleasure receptors physical and nonphysical, nor a conscience.

There is no denying that the Self is the PATTERN of Information. Pattern being the operating word. The question to ask is what holds the pattern together ? A physical system ? I am not sure.

I absolutely love your content! Thank you!!

Self is you unique DNA

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@pascal guerandal: and how does that account for the mental state?

@pascalguerandel8181

3 жыл бұрын

All creatures have evolved to what they have become humans are the highest evolvement and therefore they have reflective capabilities and that's given us a mental state that's true because we evolved in that fashion

@pascalguerandel8181

3 жыл бұрын

Watch the film Lucy where she achieves 100% usage of her brain and see what happens

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@@pascalguerandel8181 I'm not sure if you understand this or not but Lucy was a film! For pity's sake.

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@@pascalguerandel8181 I wouldn't quit my day job if I was you.

Alan Watts explains i better than anyone else I've heard. How does a serious scientist become a priest? Faith? Surely faith is only needed if you disbelieve.

I am. In seeking to know thyself you are knowing God. In the spirit what's realized is truth, justice, divinity -- balance of nature & cosmos. Nothing else really matters, just the beauty of the planet, life, existence, consciousness itself. Self is identified in spirit -- thyself(true self) -- anything other is only ego: personal self -- which you would identify with labels, status, belongings to what country, culture and upbringing you've had. In truth that's not really who you are. I value truth, justice, light, energy -- I resonant with these qualities; as i have the same qualities within. So I can identify with these things -- which corrolates to Spirit. I came from the light, so in spirit you identify with the light -- Sun: spiritual essence of God.

@michaelmclees4200

3 жыл бұрын

When Jesus was before Pilate he said everyone that is of the truth hears Him and then Pilate turned a way saying what is truth. Truth is in a person and He is Christ. you will not find self identity except in Him. Jesus said to certain Jews who believed in Him came to Him, and he said He said to them if you stay in my word you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free

@rotorblade9508

3 жыл бұрын

You want justice but in fact probably justice doesn’t exist as nobody is guilty for any action as free will doesn’t exist. You just seek that people need to pay for what they do. I don’t blame you for this instinct or belief

@S3RAVA3LM

3 жыл бұрын

@@rotorblade9508 justice is reason with merit -- i'm not using this quality as superficial. Rather in the context of balance for true form -- universally. Justice is a quality that's in conjunction with Truth(light). What is justice without truth, what is truth without justice. Light has reason in the void of darkness. Like in society today, those who walk in Truth(light) have authority and a spiritual privilege to take action with merit that is of reason. Science cannot manifest such qualities in a man -- that which is alike with the qualities in the universe. It doesn't matter what I think -- it's a Universal law.

I love your channel, and the interesting opinions of your competent questioned partners, but also the comments that reveal much of the commentators here. I myself give comments about my ideas and thoughts to the topics, that maybe help come closer to truth.

Many of the hard questions unanswered in this channel by Kuhn will benefit from a deeper understanding of Buddhism. But it will take years to study this religion and takes hard work. 😅

How does a river maintain its identity? (Nothing fancy or important to see here.)

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@Bo Zo: of course there isn't anything to see, for you; for the rest of us there are some interesting insights.

This channel has such a classic feel in a way

TO SUSAN BLACKMORE: who's the one who decides that personal identity is just universal stuff? YOU, and who's that YOU? Universal stuff, which includes the material mind, is constantly changing, whileYOU are the unchangeable entity observing the constant changing of the universal stuff.

the pattern of information is the soul which is part spiritual and part material...iformations needs a container which this soul ...the spirit could be the holly program that run the soul to run the body ...this is the personality both the soul & the spirit which the I which is the concious...

This channel needs to be more popular

I think that the answer of all this, even if it sounds strange could be the matematic. If the universe is infinite the posibility to exit is one in infinite, right??? So if the possibility is one in infinite, you can find yourself because is infinite!!! Places were u are and places were u are not?! Right so, this make this answer conclusive if there is infinte. But for a moment let’s think that this is not infinite the question is another? In this case the argument is completely different and it takes to long to explain Thx.

Mayby the configuration of matter is what is fixed in the brain rather then matter not changing

I am not my body, because I can control my body. I am not my mind, I can change my mind.

An AI should never be given the rights of an individual. It would be more disastrous than giving corporations the rights of individuals, which we have already done.

As opposed to how do persons maintain their sanity. My sanity is what I need to keep but my identity is what I need to lose. Nature doesn't have it set up that way though.

There is No self ☺️

The ENTITY ID? Well firstly realise that you a transient entity. Your always changing from one to another. We are energy. That never dies it just changes form. As your soul will change form to suit and fit into its vessel, that even if it needs one.

Funny I was thinking about myself as a wave yesterday and interacting with other waves but some seed has created my my wave as the others too, so the interactions and reflection are interesting But the duplication idea is what I come back to also.. for real every time, I can’t succeed it I think you nearly forgot about AI resurrection

We all are patterns of information but is it being backed up somewhere in real time so it can be reconstituted later or do patterns just reoccur endlessly in an infinite universe(s)?

The information in one computer running A, and the information in a different computer running A, are unimagibly different. A is *not* in the "processed information". The brain must be quantummechanical, and computers don't do that. The human brain will never be simulated. And why the hell would we want to (if it would have been possible)?

Such smart people with complete lack of common sense. Surprising.

Her description of Consciousness and Continuity was awesome, but we're not just automatons Building Rockets and Mapping the Sea Floors and occasionally remember to eat or call the Wife. It seems to me like it, "I", is energy controlling this Body.

The self is responsible for it's own awareness

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@steve paris: oh well, i'll stop searching then, it is so obvious.

I see it as this way its like an action reaction (to reaction from an action) that reacted from the very first action that ever happend from that very first reaction that ever happend (switched) over and over in patterns and it stays in the bones because that grows till you die because it stoppes moving

Would have been interested to hear the same questions posed to Roger Penrose. On the Lex Fridman podcast he contests that the brain could be simulated using a traditional computer due to the proposed role of microtubules in the emergence of consciousness.

Best channel ever!

Reading science fiction is not a waste of time sir, whatever your name is.

I am an internal monologue that's all.

Drop that false 'I'. The real 'I' is unique and is the only one and is inherent in the 'universe'. We are something that happens in the universe. We are not insignificant, we are essential and integral to it. We are a pattern, a pattern that has emerged during evolution. Surely this pattern survives the next asteroid. If I am not an individual after all but instead a majestic carrier / procreator of the pattern, what will it become?

@user-tn3fo3pj2x

3 жыл бұрын

Dr Kuhn refers to the 'I' as the sum total of the atom and consciousness, and or whatever that maybe, not 'I' as the unique personality that just fits into the universe you refer to..

@micronda

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-tn3fo3pj2x If the real 'I' is 'the sum total of the atom and consciousness' then the ONE has become the many. If the many gather and agree to self destruct (they have the free will to do so) then the real 'I', the atom and consciousness are severed but the eternal principal is low level and evolution will reinstate it.

@user-tn3fo3pj2x

3 жыл бұрын

@@micronda that is why there is a discussion

If we duplicate someone, who is entitled to the person's property? Who is responsible for being punished for the person's crimes?

@rotorblade9508

3 жыл бұрын

Since free will hasn’t been proven to exist and it probably doesn’t, I can’t judge anyone, I can only take action to avoid the problem happening again or to prevent it by the same punishments. In this case both persons will have to be punished although they don’t deserve it.

@nancyt61

3 жыл бұрын

@@rotorblade9508 Crime & Property is attached to the "originator" thus clone takes no property & responsible for its own actions

@S3RAVA3LM

3 жыл бұрын

@@rotorblade9508 you replied to my comment stating that freewill doesn't exist, and here you say it probably doesn't because it hasn't be proven yet. Treating opinions as if factual... Your ideology is similar to: guilty until proven innocent. As you believe only what you can comprehend, so to prove, and discarding everything you cannot, so ignoring. A true man of science doesn't say, " it's nonsense because there's no evidence". Rather a man who seeks answers is an expoditionist and never positions himself in the comfort of any such evidence. Or else the Wright brothers would have never gotten off the ground. To say there's no freewill when you have the ability to utilize your "will" and having limited restriction of choices, so creating your experiences in this reality is.... freewill. Freewill in thought, choices, decision, actions, imagination, experiences. If Billy only knows of a 26 color spectrum and his favorite color is blue. Good for him. If Billy increases his awareness in consciousness to the 26,000 color spectrum, he now has less limited restriction of choice. Even if his next choice of favorite color is influenced by his subconscious pattern from the 26 colors, he still has more freedom of choice. Why should one act like there isn't freewill when it hasn't be proven? In that action alone -- freewill doesn't exist.

@stefanb6539

3 жыл бұрын

Whatever method you imagine to "duplicate" someone, it will still be an act of creating a new and different entity, that might (erronously) remember the same past, but does not share it. The history/timeline of the original goes beyond the moment of creation of the clone, the history/timeline of the clone starts with its creation. Unless there is a new law introduced, that is specific to this process of duplication, property rights of the original would not be altered. As to the question of punishment,... what is the purpose of punishment? Is it a sacrificial act to restore a harmed balance of "justice" or does it have an educational purpose? If the clone is likely to commit crimes out of a feeling of having gotten away scot-free, it seems reasonable to sanction him according to his memory, not his history. Whether this sanction is concieved as punishment or as a corrective intervention would be a semantic distinction without a difference. And, also, the action of someone who willingly creates a likely criminal clone should also be regarded as reckless at best.

@projectmalus

3 жыл бұрын

It's not the person who changes, it's the methods of identification. Each copy would only be the same for an instant and then would diverge. But the fingerprints and retinal scans would be the same I think. The property should be split in half and this would act as a limit. Restorative justice will prevail in the future I hope. Love your videos :)

You should've shown the Closer To Truth interview with Donald Hoffman: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKpml6eckbi3ctI.html "Does Consciousness Cause the Cosmos?" This begins to show how great Donald Hoffman's point of view on this issue is.

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@craig bowers: I think you are the one that brings this up every video. Hoffman is interesting but doesn't seem to offer anything more than many others who have pondered the problem. His is a consciousness creates reality philsophy and there are and have been plenty of those over the years. He uses fancy terms and tries to use maths to justify his beliefs but they don't seem to be much different to those that have come before.

Every now is discreet. Continuity is function of memory and projection into future nows. Gives sense of coherent self over perceived time constantly changing. Patterns persist over nows flowing seamlessly. Comes down to processing information accessed by conscious awareness. Computers have memories you can refer to to update your changing memory that forgets and often misinterprets.

The "I" starts to think about an interview with someone that experienced an NDE? Or a genuin pshycic? If that would feel comfortable that is. Don't think there is one single day that the question "Who/What am I?" pops up. And sometimes I wonder if it ever will be answered.

@mikaelblomberg8614

3 жыл бұрын

@Lisa Jordan Thank you, I'm so curious about this subject, so any bit of information helps! Have a great day

@bryanreed742

3 жыл бұрын

As soon as a genuine, verifiable psychic is discovered, we can consider that. Until then, it's a pure hypothetical.

There are many layers and dimensions to whatever reality is. We perceive only a thin part of it with our limited daily senses. There are overlapping substrates of experience with different bodies making up a person at those various vibrations. These bodies have parallel existences. This current earthly pattern of a person is but one such a body. These patterns can be expressed on various substrates, if the substrate is sufficiently complex and of the correct vibration for that layer of reality. This earthly pattern and its experiences and memories most definitely continues to exist in some form beyond body-death. This is something one can even partly experience and have a taste of during lucid OBEs, NDEs, responsible psychedelic use and various other meditatively induced exploration phenomena.

That's ridiculous Sue

As much as I like Sue's radical explanation of recreated self, how does it tie in with ego's desire and drive?

Hi Robert. For me there is no problem to start with in the first place concerning this question. I think that my self is more than just my brain or some strange thing existing in my brain or in my thoughts to be more exactly. I instead think that an essential component of my self is the information which builds up my body and in order to do so needs to be adaptive to the changes of the environment my body inhabits... ( which in doing so also become a part of me or at least get a chance to do so. ) I think of my self as the realisation of a "blueprint" which was and still is crafted in countless iterations over time. So I think my heart doing it's thing is also a part of me as my liver doing it's thing... and so on. I think even my brain is somtimes doing it's thing in ways I'm able to enjoy. I also think that "the resurection of the self" is realized in the most efficient way nature is capable of doing it... by passing your genes to the next generation. ... Please try not to reduce yourself into less than what is necessary in order to understand yourself... and please do not try to tell me that the whole thing is more than the sum of it's parts until you realy counted all of them (8) Greetings and a pleasant time!

@ListenToMcMuck

Жыл бұрын

PS: I like the way you are allowing yourself to play with all those ideas... how you communicate them with the people your are intreviewing and how you draw conclusions out of this conversations. So last but not least: Please keep up the good work (8)

The non biological entity can be programmed with all human emotions and it will be just like a human.

@thriceconcussed1

3 жыл бұрын

Except that emotional states are generated by biological processes, such as hormone levels, and other neurochemical events. To give a non-biological entity an emotional thing you would have to use biological processes; thus, it would no longer be non-biological.

@ingenuity168

3 жыл бұрын

@@thriceconcussed1 It could be programmed to have only good emotions and not have negative emotions. Emotions can be programmed to be triggered by certain words or actions, not necessarily by biological means.

NTS 9/u incomplete The self does exist, it is a signed and continuously chained arrangement of information states which the brain is the underlying substance which is carbon based and it does account as information, information about the information media itself holding all piece of intimation stares together. Yes it could be fully reconstructed if the intimation paradox is not a paradox at all and information is never lost: both non material non carbon based information which signs the self, which is the specific information arrangement plus the material brain carbon based substance which holds the information can theoretically be rearranged although it can not be under classic physics due to second law of thermodynamics but that’s not a problem at all for God while for men it could only be a technological problem (practical problem), in theory this is the 5th option missing in Robert’s summary and still it accounts for a divine soul which is the miracle outing it all together now or in the future when it will be rearranged back to given state. Yet this divine soul can also be dismissed by non believers as long as their leap of faith goes on a different direction: the faith in a complete and consistent theory of physical and mathematical universe (it’s a huge faith as it accounts for Gödel and Heisenberg both being wrong)

Intrigued at John's concept of the self and continuity/discontinuity 👍

-Base reality is consiousness -Thought created matter -Mind is a conduit/reciver/viewfinder for the universe -The brain is full of inhibitors, and interpreters. -The "now" is the brain doing what it does to separate the universal consciousness and expirence temporality ie. A life

my brain hurts ~ I , myself

You are aware because you're breathing your own air I cannot breathe air for another human being that lives in Ethiopia

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

In fact it's very likely that you've breathed the same air molecules as someone in Ethiopia.

The self is just a thought. And to come to this recognition, all you have to do is spend some time looking for it. Try and seek out the seat of attention, this thing I call I, where is it? A sage once said “You don’t finish self enquiry, the enquiry finishes you.” This self enquiry is the key to discovering the true nature of your mind and the complete realisation of what you really are. Consciousness itself. In the West we’ve been taught duality throughout our lives which is reinforced through our language. Conditioning has made you this way. Take the notion of being born, we give it a date and a time and say that’s me I was born then. But what if you asked yourself “when did I begin?”. Not so easy to define now! Maybe you were the ugly glint in your fathers eye when he laid eyes on your mother. Maybe that was you too.

Self is preserved and perpetuated by memory. Change self, change memory.

Self is nothing but our collected , stored and recollected memories.......

@AlexanderShamov

3 жыл бұрын

So if someone proposed to record your memories, then kill you and implant those memories into a new body, would you agree?

This bag of flesh seems continuous through time and space.

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

Whew. Saved by Kurzweil.

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

And the priest. And Jesus!

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

You have to die to be resurrected. :/

@nolan412

3 жыл бұрын

Reproduction is more fun?

Maybe you need to meet eater hicks

Kurzweil is wrong about "being" information, or being a pattern. The substrate is just as important / more important / came first / bats last / has priority. Kurzweil is a mammal. His brain doesn't have body - it's the other way around. Your "identity" includes your thumbs and knees and kidneys. (Even more so if they're missing.)

@cosmikrelic4815

3 жыл бұрын

@bo zo: an accurate pseudonym by the way. Kurzweil is worong and you are right, of course, why didn't I see it?

This is why we shouldn´t be afraid to meet ourselves in the past...We are not the same personour structures change. So no paradoxes can occur.

@0ptimal

Жыл бұрын

Interesting.

Ray is like Lawrence's long lost brother

All this talk about the Self is fine and dandy, but talk isn't necessary. Just DO it! No problem: Access "Mahamritunjaya mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir and listen to it for 5 min per day for at least two weeks. Eventually you will merge into "The Self" of all. (The "One" of Plotinus, "Being-In-Itself" of Aristotle, and Sat-Chit-Ananda, Pure Consciousness without an object., the Self.

The way I see it, you are a copy of your original. It doesn't matter if the original memory and cells are gone. You are a copy from the copy from the original. That is how it is explained and how your identity lasts and it's not because of some immaterial soul bullshit

If you clone yourself does conscious travel with the clone? I think only conscious travels. So answer is no. To identical twin brothers have to different consciousness. Maybe god can create a new body for you where your consciouse can go into it. If you have machine that can transport atoms and re arranges them maybe your conscious knows where to go.

There maybe one other place to look. Psychiatry. Multiple personality disorder. Role of memory, mechanism of identification. Also, not only one self, but multiple "selves" (competing tendencies, personalities).